Leaning furniture??

On 11/16/2012 8:22 AM, Sonny wrote:

>
> Happen to come across this <snip>

Merci, cher!

> Or have you finished with that project? I'd be interested in seeing what you ended up making.

Actually, did not hear back from the prospective client for a few of
weeks, then, as soon as I start on something else, we suddenly want to
start perfecting the design. ;0>

Here is where that project is, as far as the basic design (no trim,
etc), as of earlier this week:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5811438004433634706

Latest email (last evening) leads me to believe that it will be built
pretty much as drawn, but with some dimensional changes for greater
utility of that top cabinet for paper storage, and trim elements (in
contrasting woods?), etc.

I'll keep you posted here, and thanks again for your help, and interest.


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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

><and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>
>Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>
>Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>
>And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>
>Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>research for further design ideas:
>
>http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>
>Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
>suggestions on examples.

Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.

Mike M

On 10/19/2012 8:35 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm not sure what the fixation with this issue is ... attaching these
>> things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an issue and, with the
>> proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum, a couple of
>> spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a back lip in a
>> shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and effective
>> for that purpose.
>
> I was more concerned with the mark/screw/hole left there if that piece
> of furniture had to be moved somewhere else. Certainly not an
> irreparable thing to fix, but a pain anyway. Even the slightest move
> would negate the existing form of attachment.
>
> Many/most pieces of furniture or shelving in my place is moved a
> little bit on occasion. Fastening one of these pieces of furniture
> being discussed is almost tantamount to a built in wall unit ~ it has
> to stay exactly where it is, at least in my opinion.
>
> They're designed to look like a free floating piece of furniture, but
> they're exactly the opposite.

Safety ALWAYS has consequences/inconveniences ... it's life. Those who
refuse to acknowledge that fact are fools who do not deserve my
participation in their folly.


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basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was looking through some of my Shaker furniture books a few days
> ago and there is an example hanging shelves arranged on about the same
> angle as your example.
>
> Although the Shaker shelves aren't a piece of leaning furniture, the
> appearance is much the same.

Which book is that?

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:55:08 -0500, Swingman wrote:

> basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was looking through some of my Shaker furniture books a few days ago
>> and there is an example hanging shelves arranged on about the same
>> angle as your example.
>>
>> Although the Shaker shelves aren't a piece of leaning furniture, the
>> appearance is much the same.
>
> Which book is that?

Making Authentic Shaker Furniture

Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics.
Author John G. Shea
published originally in 1971, while there were still a few shakers
living.

basilisk



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On Friday, October 19, 2012 8:20:57 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/18/2012 11:41 PM, Dave wrote: > On 19 Oct 2012 03:45:02 GMT, Puckdr=
opper >> With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to =
anchor >> these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored. =
> > But then they would be a pain if you needed to move them. What wall > a=
nchors are solid enough and easily detachable, but not awkward > looking on=
the wall if they are visible. Only option in my books would > be to attach=
something else in their place. I'm not sure what the fixation with this is=
sue is ... attaching these things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an =
issue and, with the proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum=
, a couple of spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a ba=
ck lip in a shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and ef=
fective for that purpose. I have not built a piece of tall custom furniture=
in years, subject to even the remote possibility of tipping (particularly =
where there are, or will be, young children in the household) that is not a=
nchored to a wall in some fashion, either directly, or with an anti-tipping=
mechanism, generally custom designed and purposely built into the design. =
That goes for all free standing bookshelves, china cabinets, desk hutches, =
and chests of drawers. And I'm not the only one ... I helped Leon install a=
custom set of bookcases for one of his client's recently and noticed that =
he had done the exact same thing ... in this litigious culture a custom cab=
inet/furniture needs to take every manner of liability into account in ever=
ything he does. AAMOF, turned down a custom tansu job last year because the=
young, pregnant woman of the house, with one toddler on the ground, would =
not agree to a design that allowed attachment to the wall. -- www.eWoodShop=
.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eW=
oodShop

Happen to come across this - http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=3Dvintage+=
hardware+display+accessory&qs=3Dn&form=3DQBIR&pq=3Dvintage+hardware+display=
+accessory&sc=3D0-0&sp=3D-1&sk=3D#view=3Ddetail&id=3D9B1E8294178DE2ED1A267A=
502A0D84CFD857FAF6&selectedIndex=3D238 - which is very similar to your in=
itial SketchUp. Described as a display shelf. I suppose it can't be top =
loaded with heavy items, but it looks nice for a home setting. Possibly wh=
at your customer had in mind?

Or have you finished with that project? I'd be interested in seeing what y=
ou ended up making.

Sonny

"Swingman" wrote:

> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>
> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>
> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on
> their verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further
> client input other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
-----------------------------------------------
Good thing you are not in earthquake country,

BTW, do they expect a discount since only 2 legs are supplied<G>?

Lew

On 10/18/2012 2:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>>
>> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>>
>> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>> research for further design ideas:
>>
>> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>>
>> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
>> suggestions on examples.
>
> Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
> wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
> floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.
>
> Mike M
>
I'd worry about stability, especially with a couple of cats in the
house. Anchor it to the wall some way and it might prove to be
functional to some degree.

Matt
(I like modern-looking stuff sometimes, but call me "old-fashioned".)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>
> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>
> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>
> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>
> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
> research for further design ideas:
>
> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>
> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further suggestions
> on examples.
>
I have seen variations of that sort of thing with some high end "small"
office furniture. Often made with metal and glass. Crate and barrel had a
selection of desks, etc a few years ago. There is a whole category of high
end furniture designed for apartments and condos. I have seen this kind of
thing in that market for at least twenty years. I have not seen any lately
though. That is either because I don't look at that sort of thing any more
or they just stopped making it.

As for the stability thing, the leaning desks I saw had sharp feet and were
anchored on the bottom by digging into the carpet. This approach, obviously
would not work on a hard surface floor.

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I would think it would tend to pull the carpet out of the tackless,
> too. My vote is for anchoring the thing to the wall.
>

With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor
these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman wrote:

> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>
> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>
> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>
> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>
> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
> research for further design ideas:
>
> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>
> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
> suggestions on examples.

I was looking through some of my Shaker furniture books a few days
ago and there is an example hanging shelves arranged on about the same
angle as your example.

Although the Shaker shelves aren't a piece of leaning furniture, the
appearance is much the same.

basilisk

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>There's been times when I've temporarily "stored" stuff on my ladder.
>
>A glorified or altered ladder? Might only be useful for small items.
>
>How about alternating shelves, somehow, like alternating stair steps, as a design option?
>http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=alternating+stair+steps&view=detail&id=3E85E2D4A2A3B06E044B106C9C6AC6B1CFBF4CAF&first=1

Yes, these are the type attorneys love best of all. They can almost
hear the ambulance sirens in the mere picture of it.


>http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=alternating+stair+steps&view=detail&id=8FF669A98FB057BE1928F0A55A94D85440D26698&first=83

I like that first one with the central handrail. Of course, I'd want
a fireman's quick elevator pole for the down trip, y'know.


>Wall mounted cat ladder approach? Don't know if this is applicable, but this may lead to other ideas from someone else: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=wall+mount+cat+ladder&view=detail&id=0B7150C5ECDEB4935DE696DEC1915E799E279BD1&qpvt=wall+mount+cat+ladder

Hah! I like the red one.

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:33:36 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/18/2012 3:54 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>>
>>
>> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>>
>> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>> research for further design ideas:
>>
>> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>>
>> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
>> suggestions on examples.
>>
>
>In the drawing with the feet, if you add the feet to the top but
>extending out you could add a wide, from the wall, shelf to hold
>lighting that shines down on the desk top. That would also help hide a
>wall anchor/attachment.

I was thinking "top shelf", too, but with lag-end rods which fit into
the box beam shelf, spaced at 16" OC for the studs.
BR230 - Shelf Support at http://tinyurl.com/88a2m8g

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Also, rather than straight (ladder) rails, have curved or undulating rails, including curves (right side vs left side) in opposition to one another.

Sonny

There's been times when I've temporarily "stored" stuff on my ladder.

A glorified or altered ladder? Might only be useful for small items. =20

How about alternating shelves, somehow, like alternating stair steps, as a =
design option?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=3Dalternating+stair+steps&view=3Ddetail=
&id=3D3E85E2D4A2A3B06E044B106C9C6AC6B1CFBF4CAF&first=3D1

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=3Dalternating+stair+steps&view=3Ddetail=
&id=3D8FF669A98FB057BE1928F0A55A94D85440D26698&first=3D83

Wall mounted cat ladder approach? Don't know if this is applicable, but th=
is may lead to other ideas from someone else: http://www.bing.com/images/s=
earch?q=3Dwall+mount+cat+ladder&view=3Ddetail&id=3D0B7150C5ECDEB4935DE696DE=
C1915E799E279BD1&qpvt=3Dwall+mount+cat+ladder

Sonny

On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm not sure what the fixation with this issue is ... attaching these
>things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an issue and, with the
>proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum, a couple of
>spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a back lip in a
>shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and effective
>for that purpose.

I was more concerned with the mark/screw/hole left there if that piece
of furniture had to be moved somewhere else. Certainly not an
irreparable thing to fix, but a pain anyway. Even the slightest move
would negate the existing form of attachment.

Many/most pieces of furniture or shelving in my place is moved a
little bit on occasion. Fastening one of these pieces of furniture
being discussed is almost tantamount to a built in wall unit ~ it has
to stay exactly where it is, at least in my opinion.

They're designed to look like a free floating piece of furniture, but
they're exactly the opposite.

On Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:39:45 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/20/2012 1:16 PM, basilisk wrote: > Making Authentic Shaker Furnitur=
e > > Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics. > Author John G.=
Shea > published originally in 1971, while there were still a few shakers =
> living. Thanks! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet=
@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

The book Bill mentioned, and I ordered, "Furniture Treasures", and the othe=
r book I had mentioned, "The Early Furniture of French Canada", came in tod=
ay. I glanced through them and the "French" book has a few pics of console=
s, which appear to be leaning furniture, circa late 18th c. and early 19th =
c. It states they were common in churches, on one or each side of the alta=
r. Also, they were in high end homes, of the times. The pics and discussi=
on is in the section with trestle tables. There is similar discussion, re=
garding trestles tables only, in the Furniture Treasury book. The French b=
ook comments about modifications of the trestle table.

The Furniture Treasures book (Volume 3, pg 123) comments on trestle tables,=
in that, ...referring to plates (pics) 800- 802, "There is known to the au=
thor only one other long Pilgrim period trestle, that being in the Bolles C=
ollection, Metropolitan Museum. One or two short examples, like 805, have =
recently been found. The collector should be very careful not to confuse t=
he Shaker type of the early 19th century with a true Middle Age trestle and=
board table." *A board table MAY be a sideboard, as there is discussion o=
f sideboards in the previous section. I highly suspect sideboards (or boar=
d tables), mentioned as being here in the sates, may be the same as the con=
soles, mentioned in the French Canada book. The discussions are very simil=
ar.

The writer says this board table was common in England and some samples wer=
e found in North Carolina. The writer has not come upon an American exampl=
e, but such probably exist, or did. *Again, I've been just scanning and re=
ading some parts.

Apparently, leaning tables, or shelf type furniture, have been around, in s=
ome form, for a long time, and even the Shakers may have had some sort of l=
eaning shelf or table, as Basilisk mentions. A further (French) name, note=
d in the French book, for the console table is credences. Other examples o=
f variations of the console table is demi-lune tables (old samples in the b=
ooks, modern samples in the link ~~~>) http://www.bing.com/search?q=3Ddemi-=
lune+table&src=3DIE-SearchBox&FORM=3DIE8SRC .

Some of these old tables look neat. Lots of good pics in each of these boo=
ks. Pics are of furniture dating back to the 1600s. Shows, pretty well, =
the progression of design(s) over time.

Sonny

On 10/18/2012 5:03 PM, Sonny wrote:
> Also, rather than straight (ladder) rails, have curved or undulating rails, including curves (right side vs left side) in opposition to one another.

The below is what I believe to be the genesis of the idea for these
folks talking about the concept, and it makes sense since the Container
Store is right up there with Ikea for the younger set:

http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10033230&N=&Ntt=linea

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On 10/18/2012 4:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>>
>> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>>
>> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>> research for further design ideas:
>>
>> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>>
>> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
>> suggestions on examples.
>
> Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
> wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
> floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.

Anything of this sort would obviously be attached to the wall by anyone
but a total fool in this litigious society, not to mention that from
doing further research, these pieces are _always_ accompanied by the
minimum of an anti-tip device.


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On 10/18/2012 10:45 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I would think it would tend to pull the carpet out of the tackless,
>> too. My vote is for anchoring the thing to the wall.
>>
>
> With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor
> these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored.
>
> Puckdropper
>


Key hole slots on the back side of eaach leg at the top and a single
screw in the wall on each side to fit in those slots.

On 10/18/2012 3:54 PM, Swingman wrote:
> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>
> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>
> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>
>
> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>
> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
> research for further design ideas:
>
> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>
> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
> suggestions on examples.
>

In the drawing with the feet, if you add the feet to the top but
extending out you could add a wide, from the wall, shelf to hold
lighting that shines down on the desk top. That would also help hide a
wall anchor/attachment.

On 10/18/2012 4:54 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on
>> their verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further
>> client input other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
> -----------------------------------------------
> Good thing you are not in earthquake country,
>
> BTW, do they expect a discount since only 2 legs are supplied<G>?

Each leg removed will be a corresponding increase in design fees. :)


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On 10/20/2012 1:16 PM, basilisk wrote:
> Making Authentic Shaker Furniture
>
> Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics.
> Author John G. Shea
> published originally in 1971, while there were still a few shakers
> living.

Thanks!

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On 10/19/2012 7:34 AM, Leon wrote:

> Key hole slots on the back side of eaach leg at the top and a single
> screw in the wall on each side to fit in those slots.

Bingo ...

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:46:48 -0400, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at
comcast dot net> wrote:

>
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>>
>> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>>
>> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>> research for further design ideas:
>>
>> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>>
>> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further suggestions
>> on examples.
>>
>I have seen variations of that sort of thing with some high end "small"
>office furniture. Often made with metal and glass. Crate and barrel had a
>selection of desks, etc a few years ago. There is a whole category of high
>end furniture designed for apartments and condos. I have seen this kind of
>thing in that market for at least twenty years. I have not seen any lately
>though. That is either because I don't look at that sort of thing any more
>or they just stopped making it.
>
>As for the stability thing, the leaning desks I saw had sharp feet and were
>anchored on the bottom by digging into the carpet. This approach, obviously
>would not work on a hard surface floor.
>
I would think it would tend to pull the carpet out of the tackless, too. My
vote is for anchoring the thing to the wall.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498

>And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/

Hmmm. I might build furniture like that, but I`d sure be looking for a
way to fasten it to the wall. I`d probably also be looking for a way
to easily unfasten it too and move it on occasion.

Sounds like a real pain to me. Glad in this case anyway, that I`m not
building any of this furniture to a customer`s order.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:49:52 -0700, Mike M
>Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
>wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
>floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.

Even with rare earth magnets, they would they would have to be pretty
powerful to stop a piece of furniture from falling.

On 10/18/2012 11:41 PM, Dave wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2012 03:45:02 GMT, Puckdropper
>> With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor
>> these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored.
>
> But then they would be a pain if you needed to move them. What wall
> anchors are solid enough and easily detachable, but not awkward
> looking on the wall if they are visible. Only option in my books would
> be to attach something else in their place.

I'm not sure what the fixation with this issue is ... attaching these
things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an issue and, with the
proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum, a couple of
spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a back lip in a
shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and effective
for that purpose.

I have not built a piece of tall custom furniture in years, subject to
even the remote possibility of tipping (particularly where there are, or
will be, young children in the household) that is not anchored to a wall
in some fashion, either directly, or with an anti-tipping mechanism,
generally custom designed and purposely built into the design. That goes
for all free standing bookshelves, china cabinets, desk hutches, and
chests of drawers.

And I'm not the only one ... I helped Leon install a custom set of
bookcases for one of his client's recently and noticed that he had done
the exact same thing ... in this litigious culture a custom
cabinet/furniture needs to take every manner of liability into account
in everything he does.

AAMOF, turned down a custom tansu job last year because the young,
pregnant woman of the house, with one toddler on the ground, would not
agree to a design that allowed attachment to the wall.

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On 10/19/2012 11:08 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/19/2012 7:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Key hole slots on the back side of eaach leg at the top and a single
>> screw in the wall on each side to fit in those slots.
>
> Bingo ...
>


Maybe simpler, a screw behind the drawers. Access by removing the
drawer. A little less touchy in placement to hit at least one stud.

Mike M wrote the following on 10/18/2012 5:49 PM (ET):
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:54:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> <and I used the term "furniture" loosely.>
>>
>> Sometimes you wonder whether the world is leaving you behind.
>>
>> Suddenly find myself designing one of these for a client based on their
>> verbal description (a first blush effort, with no further client input
>> other that it is basically "exactly what they want"):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5800748174119096498
>>
>> And today met two other ladies talking about "leaning furniture"??
>>
>> Based on the latter conversation, I ran across this when doing some
>> research for further design ideas:
>>
>> http://shoeboxdwelling.com/2011/12/29/leaning-furniture/
>>
>> Hmmmm ... I'm just quirky enough to like ... back to the drawing board
>> and, wondering what else I've been missing, an open to further
>> suggestions on examples.
>
> Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
> wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
> floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.
>
> Mike M

Velcro

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10/18/2012 11:41 PM, Dave wrote:
>> On 19 Oct 2012 03:45:02 GMT, Puckdropper
>>> With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor
>>> these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored.
>>
>> But then they would be a pain if you needed to move them. What wall
>> anchors are solid enough and easily detachable, but not awkward
>> looking on the wall if they are visible. Only option in my books would
>> be to attach something else in their place.
>
>I'm not sure what the fixation with this issue is ... attaching these
>things to a wall, as designed, is simply not an issue and, with the
>proper design, is simple and effective ... at a minimum, a couple of
>spax screws, hidden in the drawer/casework back, or into a back lip in a
>shelf, and into the studs/wall anchors will be invisible and effective
>for that purpose.
>
>I have not built a piece of tall custom furniture in years, subject to
>even the remote possibility of tipping (particularly where there are, or
>will be, young children in the household) that is not anchored to a wall
>in some fashion, either directly, or with an anti-tipping mechanism,
>generally custom designed and purposely built into the design. That goes
>for all free standing bookshelves, china cabinets, desk hutches, and
>chests of drawers.
>
>And I'm not the only one ... I helped Leon install a custom set of
>bookcases for one of his client's recently and noticed that he had done
>the exact same thing ... in this litigious culture a custom
>cabinet/furniture needs to take every manner of liability into account
>in everything he does.

You bet. I picked up a freebie tall bookshelf unit a couple years ago
and the first thing I did was put an L bracket into it and the wall at
the back of the top shelf. It won't be falling on me or anyone else.
I've also noticed loose shelves at client homes and talked them into
letting me secure the units to the wall for them.


>AAMOF, turned down a custom tansu job last year because the young,
>pregnant woman of the house, with one toddler on the ground, would not
>agree to a design that allowed attachment to the wall.

One Atta Boy comin' your way, Swingy. Let someone else's insurance
company take the fall for people's stupidity.

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-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:03:19 -0700, Larry Jaques
>http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=wall+mount+cat+ladder&view=detail&id=0B7150C5ECDEB4935DE696DEC1915E799E279BD1&qpvt=wall+mount+cat+ladder
>Hah! I like the red one.

Yeah. That red one look like a pampered cat ladder and perch. If I had
the space available, that is something I would build for my cat.

Swingman wrote:
> On 10/18/2012 5:03 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Also, rather than straight (ladder) rails, have curved or undulating rails, including curves (right side vs left side) in opposition to one another.
>
> The below is what I believe to be the genesis of the idea for these
> folks talking about the concept, and it makes sense since the Container
> Store is right up there with Ikea for the younger set:
>
> http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10033230&N=&Ntt=linea
>
They're proud of their stuff.

--
G.W. Ross

My inferiority complexes aren't as
good as yours.

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:00:15 -0700, Sonny wrote:

> On Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:39:45 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/20/2012 1:16 PM, basilisk wrote: > Making Authentic Shaker
>> Furniture > > Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics. >
>> Author John G. Shea > published originally in 1971, while there were
>> still a few shakers > living. Thanks! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update:
>> 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> The book Bill mentioned, and I ordered, "Furniture Treasures", and the
> other book I had mentioned, "The Early Furniture of French Canada", came
> in today. I glanced through them and the "French" book has a few pics
> of consoles, which appear to be leaning furniture, circa late 18th c.
> and early 19th c. It states they were common in churches, on one or
> each side of the altar. Also, they were in high end homes, of the
> times. The pics and discussion is in the section with trestle tables.
> There is similar discussion, regarding trestles tables only, in the
> Furniture Treasury book. The French book comments about modifications
> of the trestle table.
>
> The Furniture Treasures book (Volume 3, pg 123) comments on trestle
> tables, in that, ...referring to plates (pics) 800- 802, "There is known
> to the author only one other long Pilgrim period trestle, that being in
> the Bolles Collection, Metropolitan Museum. One or two short examples,
> like 805, have recently been found. The collector should be very
> careful not to confuse the Shaker type of the early 19th century with a
> true Middle Age trestle and board table." *A board table MAY be a
> sideboard, as there is discussion of sideboards in the previous section.
> I highly suspect sideboards (or board tables), mentioned as being here
> in the sates, may be the same as the consoles, mentioned in the French
> Canada book. The discussions are very similar.
>
> The writer says this board table was common in England and some samples
> were found in North Carolina. The writer has not come upon an American
> example, but such probably exist, or did. *Again, I've been just
> scanning and reading some parts.
>
> Apparently, leaning tables, or shelf type furniture, have been around,
> in some form, for a long time, and even the Shakers may have had some
> sort of leaning shelf or table, as Basilisk mentions. A further
> (French) name, noted in the French book, for the console table is
> credences. Other examples of variations of the console table is
> demi-lune tables (old samples in the books, modern samples in the link
> ~~~>)
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=demi-lune+table&src=IE-
SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
> .
>
> Some of these old tables look neat. Lots of good pics in each of these
> books. Pics are of furniture dating back to the 1600s. Shows, pretty
> well, the progression of design(s) over time.
>
> Sonny

when you get the book the shelves I was pointing out are on page
121, they aren't leaning but hanging.
They have graduated shelf widths from top to bottom.
The style to me was strikingly similar, with the added bonus
of not being unstable. (when anchored leaning is fine)

I like several of the pieces in this book, in particular, the bench
on 124 and the pedestal table on 183.

When I get the time, I may replace all the end tables
in the LR with these. I'll need 4 and they will go quickly
making several at the time.



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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:28:02 -0400, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:49:52 -0700, Mike M
>>Interesting, but knowing me with my bad legs I'd have to fasten to the
>>wall so when I bumped into it I wouldn't have to pick it up off the
>>floor. Good use for those magnetic fasteners.
>
>Even with rare earth magnets, they would they would have to be pretty
>powerful to stop a piece of furniture from falling.

I was thinking of the hidden ones where the magnet it just to run the
screws in or out.

On 19 Oct 2012 03:45:02 GMT, Puckdropper
>With all the hardware choices available, it should be possible to anchor
>these things to the wall without any sign that they're anchored.

But then they would be a pain if you needed to move them. What wall
anchors are solid enough and easily detachable, but not awkward
looking on the wall if they are visible. Only option in my books would
be to attach something else in their place.

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:00:15 -0700, Sonny wrote:

> On Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:39:45 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/20/2012 1:16 PM, basilisk wrote: > Making Authentic Shaker
>> Furniture > > Subtitle: With measured drawings of museum classics. >
>> Author John G. Shea > published originally in 1971, while there were
>> still a few shakers > living. Thanks! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update:
>> 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> The book Bill mentioned, and I ordered, "Furniture Treasures", and the
> other book I had mentioned, "The Early Furniture of French Canada", came
> in today. I glanced through them and the "French" book has a few pics
> of consoles, which appear to be leaning furniture, circa late 18th c.
> and early 19th c. It states they were common in churches, on one or
> each side of the altar. Also, they were in high end homes, of the
> times. The pics and discussion is in the section with trestle tables.
> There is similar discussion, regarding trestles tables only, in the
> Furniture Treasury book. The French book comments about modifications
> of the trestle table.
>
> The Furniture Treasures book (Volume 3, pg 123) comments on trestle
> tables, in that, ...referring to plates (pics) 800- 802, "There is known
> to the author only one other long Pilgrim period trestle, that being in
> the Bolles Collection, Metropolitan Museum. One or two short examples,
> like 805, have recently been found. The collector should be very
> careful not to confuse the Shaker type of the early 19th century with a
> true Middle Age trestle and board table." *A board table MAY be a
> sideboard, as there is discussion of sideboards in the previous section.
> I highly suspect sideboards (or board tables), mentioned as being here
> in the sates, may be the same as the consoles, mentioned in the French
> Canada book. The discussions are very similar.
>
> The writer says this board table was common in England and some samples
> were found in North Carolina. The writer has not come upon an American
> example, but such probably exist, or did. *Again, I've been just
> scanning and reading some parts.
>
> Apparently, leaning tables, or shelf type furniture, have been around,
> in some form, for a long time, and even the Shakers may have had some
> sort of leaning shelf or table, as Basilisk mentions. A further
> (French) name, noted in the French book, for the console table is
> credences. Other examples of variations of the console table is
> demi-lune tables (old samples in the books, modern samples in the link
> ~~~>)
> http://www.bing.com/search?q=demi-lune+table&src=IE-
SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
> .
>
> Some of these old tables look neat. Lots of good pics in each of these
> books. Pics are of furniture dating back to the 1600s. Shows, pretty
> well, the progression of design(s) over time.
>
> Sonny

I misread what you wrote Sonny, I thought you had ordered the book I
mentioned, my name is Bill also, got ahead of myself posting.

basilisk



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