RH

"Rob H."

18/10/2012 4:13 AM

What is it? Set 463

Today's set has been posted:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob


This topic has 41 replies

TS

Ted Schuerzinger

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 9:01 AM

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 04:13:17 -0400, Rob H. wrote:

> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2692. Prop from opening credits of James Bond movies.
2694. Looks like a food processor attachment, or at least the oversized
equivalent of it. But something like that wouldn't be on a
bulldozer/farm tractor.

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

SM

"Stormin Mormon"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 9:02 PM

Got me. Totally no clue. Obviously had meaning to whoever made them.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I don't
think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe someone here
can tell us what they are.

1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg


2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jpg


KM

"Kerry Montgomery"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 1:55 PM


"Gunther Mannigel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Am 18.10.2012 22:59, schrieb Rob H.:
>> 1.
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>
> Looks like writing of elves in lord of the rings.
>
> cheers
> Gunther
>
>
Gunther got me to searching. Not elvish, though:
http://www.ioffer.com/i/taken-alien-artifact-178426221
Kerry

Wc

"WW"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:53 AM



"Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...

Today's set has been posted:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob

2689 Cribbage board?

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 5:47 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Dave Baker wrote:
> >
> > 2692: Rifle barrel
> >
>
> Looks too short for a rifle , I'd say it's a pistol barrel . Most likely a
> .45 ACP . The angle of the photo hides the lug .

Or a logo from a James Bond movie.

uu

usablevirus

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 5:03 AM

Bill <[email protected]> scribbled:

> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Got me. Totally no clue. Obviously had meaning to whoever made them.
>
> Yes, I think it was a wedding gift. It sort of resembles a spoon (and
> reminds me of the "love spoon" concept), but I could find no furthere
> examples.
>
>
>
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I
>> don't think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe
>> someone here can tell us what they are.
>>
>> 1.
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>


http://www.amazon.com/AR-158-Taken-Alien-Artifact/dp/B000NECTRK


>>
>> 2.
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jp
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>

Ss

"Snag"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:03 AM

Dave Baker wrote:
>
> 2692: Rifle barrel
>

Looks too short for a rifle , I'd say it's a pistol barrel . Most likely a
.45 ACP . The angle of the photo hides the lug .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

GM

Gunther Mannigel

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 7:28 PM

Am 18.10.2012 22:59, schrieb Rob H.:
> 1.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg

Looks like writing of elves in lord of the rings.

cheers
Gunther

KM

"Kerry Montgomery"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 2:23 PM


"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/19/12 4:55 PM, Kerry Montgomery wrote:
>> "Gunther Mannigel"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Am 18.10.2012 22:59, schrieb Rob H.:
>>>> 1.
>>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>>
>>> Looks like writing of elves in lord of the rings.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Gunther
>>>
>>>
>> Gunther got me to searching. Not elvish, though:
>> http://www.ioffer.com/i/taken-alien-artifact-178426221
>> Kerry
>>
>>
> Wow! I don't see how you found it!

Mostly luck. Did image searches for
lord of the rings writing
no luck
klingon writing
no luck
alien writing
scrolled down, there it was!
Kerry

DB

"Dave Baker"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 10:35 AM

2690: Those are for picking up nuts and bolts etc you've dropped somewhere
inaccessible.

2692: Rifle barrel

2694: For carrying those big round hay bales.
--
Dave Baker

ww

willshak

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:24 AM

Rob H. wrote the following on 10/18/2012 4:13 AM (ET):
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob


2689 - For cutting circles for sawing in wood.

2690 - Clamps or tweezers. Slide the fat parts down to close the points
for gripping.

2692 - rifling in a gun barrel.




--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

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willshak

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:26 AM

willshak wrote the following on 10/18/2012 8:24 AM (ET):
> Rob H. wrote the following on 10/18/2012 4:13 AM (ET):
>> Today's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2689 - For cutting circles for sawing in wood.

Ooops, meant 'marking' instead of cutting.

>
> 2690 - Clamps or tweezers. Slide the fat parts down to close the points
> for gripping.
>
> 2692 - rifling in a gun barrel.
>
>
>
>


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 9:52 AM

On 10/18/2012 4:13 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

2690 For helping to make *wings* in fly tying--at least that's what the
first and third tools look like to me. After 2 suitable pieces
of feather are attached to the hook (those preferably taken from matched
wings), one of these would grip the pair of feathers and the rest would
be burnt off with a match leaving what looks like a pair of insect
wings. However, I reserve the right to be entirely mistaken.

Bill

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 12:23 PM

On 10/18/2012 9:52 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 10/18/2012 4:13 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> Today's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2690 For helping to make *wings* in fly tying--at least that's what the
> first and third tools look like to me. After 2 suitable pieces
> of feather are attached to the hook (those preferably taken from matched
> wings), one of these would grip the pair of feathers and the rest would
> be burnt off with a match leaving what looks like a pair of insect
> wings. However, I reserve the right to be entirely mistaken.
>
> Bill


This shows the tools I was thinking of:
http://flyanglersonline.com/flytying/tyingtips/part187.php

Maybe the posted ones are merely for picking things up....

LF

Leon Fisk

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 1:45 PM

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 04:13:17 -0400
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Today's set has been posted:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob

Item 2693 is an automatic hitch for wagons. When set you can just
push/back into the wagon and it automatically grabs the pin. Add a rope
to the trip lever and the wagon can be released without having to get
down and pull the pin.

I assume you have the patent number already? If not I'll post it...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

AT

Alexander Thesoso

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 2:21 PM

2690 Over 60 years ago, when repairing a radio, from time-to-time, it
was necessary to get a nut into a difficult position to get a screw
started from the other side of a panel. Tools like these were used by
very well-equipped people. I used a stick with gum, wax or tape.


On 10/18/2012 4:13 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 4:03 PM



> 2690: Those are for picking up nuts and bolts etc you've dropped somewhere
> inaccessible.

Sounds like a good answer but I haven't found any like it on the web


> 2692: Rifle barrel

Close


> 2694: For carrying those big round hay bales.

Partially correct

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 4:05 PM


"Snag" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave Baker wrote:
>>
>> 2692: Rifle barrel
>>
>
> Looks too short for a rifle , I'd say it's a pistol barrel . Most likely
> a .45 ACP . The angle of the photo hides the lug .

Nope, not a .45

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 4:09 PM

>
> Item 2693 is an automatic hitch for wagons. When set you can just
> push/back into the wagon and it automatically grabs the pin. Add a rope
> to the trip lever and the wagon can be released without having to get
> down and pull the pin.
>
> I assume you have the patent number already? If not I'll post it...
>
> --
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
> Remove no.spam for email


Correct. Yes, I have the patent for it but thanks for the offer.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 4:59 PM

These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I don't
think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe someone here
can tell us what they are.

1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg


2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jpg

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:18 PM

On 10/18/12 4:13 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5"
in diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes
through a board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade
and or wheel not just a scratching point.

How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that size
range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that the
craftsman stuck to the glass.

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 11:12 PM

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Got me. Totally no clue. Obviously had meaning to whoever made them.

Yes, I think it was a wedding gift. It sort of resembles a spoon (and
reminds me of the "love spoon" concept), but I could find no furthere
examples.



>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I don't
> think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe someone here
> can tell us what they are.
>
> 1.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>
>
> 2.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jpg
>
>
>

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 3:19 PM

On 10/18/12 11:12 PM, Bill wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Got me. Totally no clue. Obviously had meaning to whoever made them.
>
> Yes, I think it was a wedding gift. It sort of resembles a spoon (and
> reminds me of the "love spoon" concept), but I could find no furthere
> examples.
>
What better wedding gift than a letter opener that will arouse the
curiosity of visitors?

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 4:57 PM

> 2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5" in
> diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes through a
> board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade and or wheel
> not just a scratching point.
>
> How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that size
> range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that the
> craftsman stuck to the glass.


Could be, the owner said it came from Scandinavia, I would be interested to
hear its age but the owner didn't know.

They've all been correctly identified this week, along with the answers
there is a video of the hay wrapper in action posted here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/10/set-463.html#answers

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 5:00 PM

On 10/19/12 4:55 PM, Kerry Montgomery wrote:
> "Gunther Mannigel"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Am 18.10.2012 22:59, schrieb Rob H.:
>>> 1.
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>
>> Looks like writing of elves in lord of the rings.
>>
>> cheers
>> Gunther
>>
>>
> Gunther got me to searching. Not elvish, though:
> http://www.ioffer.com/i/taken-alien-artifact-178426221
> Kerry
>
>
Wow! I don't see how you found it!

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 5:40 PM

On 10/19/12 4:57 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5"
>> in diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes
>> through a board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade
>> and or wheel not just a scratching point.
>>
>> How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that
>> size range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that
>> the craftsman stuck to the glass.
>
>
> Could be, the owner said it came from Scandinavia, I would be interested
> to hear its age but the owner didn't know.
>
> They've all been correctly identified this week, along with the answers
> there is a video of the hay wrapper in action posted here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/10/set-463.html#answers

It seems to me that round holes would work very well for a pencil or a
scribe. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to bore round holes than to cut
square ones? That's why I ruled out a marking device.

A glass-cutting tip would probably have to be aligned perpendicular to
the radius, so round holes wouldn't do. A pane of glass doesn't fit
snugly in a frame; so the craftsman would have a little leeway. If the
cutting edge was centered on the square shaft, he could cut circles in
increments of about 1/2". If it was offset about 1/8", he could rotate
the square shank to produce glass disks in increments of about 1/4".

Glass disks may have been used for clocks, reflector lamps, and viewing.
When one broke, you'd need a craftsman who knew how to cut glass
circles. The device must have been made before metal screws were
readily available because clamping the cutting head would have been a
lot easier than cutting all those square holes.

The maximum size might be another clue to its age. Panes as big as 28"
must have been available, but hardware stores didn't sell screws.

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 5:44 PM

On 10/19/12 5:40 PM, J Burns wrote:
[...]
> If the
> cutting edge was centered on the square shaft, he could cut circles in
> increments of about 1/2". If it was offset about 1/8", he could rotate
> the square shank to produce glass disks in increments of about 1/4".
>
Rats! It would be offset 1/16". Rotating the square shank would
increment the radius by 1/8" and the diameter 1/4".

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

19/10/2012 6:36 PM

On 10/19/12 4:57 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5"
>> in diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes
>> through a board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade
>> and or wheel not just a scratching point.
>>
>> How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that
>> size range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that
>> the craftsman stuck to the glass.
>
>
> Could be, the owner said it came from Scandinavia, I would be interested
> to hear its age but the owner didn't know.
>
Dating: The lack of a screw could be a clue. It wouldn't have been made
after the 1860s, when good screws became cheaply available. They were
available in the 1840s, but they may not have been available locally,
and some craftsmen didn't trust their quality.

If it was to cut glass disks, you'd want polished glass. In the 18th
Century, that was a luxury for the rich, and panes were small.

In 1834, a German process made larger sheets available. Demand grew
rapidly in the 1840s as steam power made polishing cheaper.

If it was for cutting glass, it may have been made in the middle of the
19th Century.

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 1:07 AM

usablevirus wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> scribbled:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Got me. Totally no clue. Obviously had meaning to whoever made them.
>>
>> Yes, I think it was a wedding gift. It sort of resembles a spoon (and
>> reminds me of the "love spoon" concept), but I could find no furthere
>> examples.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I
>>> don't think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe
>>> someone here can tell us what they are.
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/AR-158-Taken-Alien-Artifact/dp/B000NECTRK

Thank you. Well, that takes all of the charm out of that!

>
>
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jp
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 6:41 AM

On 10/19/12 4:57 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5"
>> in diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes
>> through a board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade
>> and or wheel not just a scratching point.
>>
>> How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that
>> size range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that
>> the craftsman stuck to the glass.
>
>
> Could be, the owner said it came from Scandinavia, I would be interested
> to hear its age but the owner didn't know.
>
> They've all been correctly identified this week, along with the answers
> there is a video of the hay wrapper in action posted here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/10/set-463.html#answers

Stained glass windows! They have lots of arcs. They predated
manufactured screws by centuries. Cutting the pieces required a lot of
skilled labor. They would use a grozer to nibble pieces of glass up to
a scored line. How did they score glass?

In the 1860s, a couple of tools using diamonds to score glass were
patented. In 1871, a man patented a pocket knife with a revolving glass
cutter. He said glass was normally scored with a diamond, but few had
access to those instruments.

Before the 1860s, I don't know if it was possible to make an instrument
that cut with a diamond. Before diamond cutters, I wonder if they
scored glass by tapping with a tool similar to a flathead screwdriver
with a hard, sharp edge.

The mystery item looks right to keep such a tool lined up as a craftsman
tapped his way through an arc on glass in the days before diamond
cutters and revolving cutters.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 12:53 PM


"Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Gunther Mannigel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Am 18.10.2012 22:59, schrieb Rob H.:
>>> 1.
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>
>> Looks like writing of elves in lord of the rings.
>>
>> cheers
>> Gunther
>>
>>
> Gunther got me to searching. Not elvish, though:
> http://www.ioffer.com/i/taken-alien-artifact-178426221
> Kerry

Great job! I'll pass the link along to the person who sent the item in.

Thanks,
Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 12:55 PM



>>> 1.
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>>>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/AR-158-Taken-Alien-Artifact/dp/B000NECTRK


Thanks for the link, I'll also send it on to the owner of the artifact.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 3:05 PM



>> They've all been correctly identified this week, along with the answers
>> there is a video of the hay wrapper in action posted here:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/10/set-463.html#answers
>
> Stained glass windows! They have lots of arcs. They predated
> manufactured screws by centuries. Cutting the pieces required a lot of
> skilled labor. They would use a grozer to nibble pieces of glass up to a
> scored line. How did they score glass?
>
> In the 1860s, a couple of tools using diamonds to score glass were
> patented. In 1871, a man patented a pocket knife with a revolving glass
> cutter. He said glass was normally scored with a diamond, but few had
> access to those instruments.
>
> Before the 1860s, I don't know if it was possible to make an instrument
> that cut with a diamond. Before diamond cutters, I wonder if they scored
> glass by tapping with a tool similar to a flathead screwdriver with a
> hard, sharp edge.
>
> The mystery item looks right to keep such a tool lined up as a craftsman
> tapped his way through an arc on glass in the days before diamond cutters
> and revolving cutters.


Well, you make a good case for it being a glass cutter but it seems like it
will be difficult to prove one way or the other. Someone had it on display
at a tool collector's meeting, I don't know the person's name but I'll see
if I can contact him to find out if he has any further information. I
appreciate your interest in trying to figure out these tools, some weeks I
need all of the help that I can get.







JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 3:52 PM

On 10/19/12 4:57 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2689: The tapered pin suggests it's to make circles, from 4.5 to 27.5"
>> in diameter. Somebody took a lot of trouble to cut 45 square holes
>> through a board about an inch thick. That suggests it was for a blade
>> and or wheel not just a scratching point.
>>
>> How about glass cutting? Clock faces, for example, might have that
>> size range. The tapered pin probably went into a block of wood that
>> the craftsman stuck to the glass.
>
>
> Could be, the owner said it came from Scandinavia, I would be interested
> to hear its age but the owner didn't know.
>
> They've all been correctly identified this week, along with the answers
> there is a video of the hay wrapper in action posted here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/10/set-463.html#answers

If it was made before the 19th Century, the symbol beside the initials
would designate EJS's guild. It looks like an X with a nail in one
quadrant.

The carpenters' guild symbol I found looks like a hatchet.

Here's the symbol for the glaziers' guild in London:
http://www.worshipfulglaziers.com/

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

20/10/2012 7:52 PM


> If it was made before the 19th Century, the symbol beside the initials
> would designate EJS's guild. It looks like an X with a nail in one
> quadrant.
>
> The carpenters' guild symbol I found looks like a hatchet.
>
> Here's the symbol for the glaziers' guild in London:
> http://www.worshipfulglaziers.com/


Here is a larger image of the initials:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/DSC02701.jpg

Looks to me that the initials and the X were carved by different people, and
I would say that the X was carved at a later date, but these are just
guesses. Not sure that I would say the carving in the lower X quadrant is a
nail, looks like an upward pointing cone, no idea what it is supposed to
represent.

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

21/10/2012 1:37 AM

On 10/20/12 7:52 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> If it was made before the 19th Century, the symbol beside the initials
>> would designate EJS's guild. It looks like an X with a nail in one
>> quadrant.
>>
>> The carpenters' guild symbol I found looks like a hatchet.
>>
>> Here's the symbol for the glaziers' guild in London:
>> http://www.worshipfulglaziers.com/
>
>
> Here is a larger image of the initials:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/DSC02701.jpg
>
> Looks to me that the initials and the X were carved by different people,
> and I would say that the X was carved at a later date, but these are
> just guesses. Not sure that I would say the carving in the lower X
> quadrant is a nail, looks like an upward pointing cone, no idea what it
> is supposed to represent.

I've found a modern adaptation of the coat of arms of the English Guild
of Glaziers, granted in 1634.
http://glasssurfing.blogspot.com/

Henry Clark invented that glass cutter in 1875.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=qTFHAAAAEBAJ

The other part of the X is a modern grozing iron. Here's an older one,
with a sharp point on the end.
http://www.glogster.com/bree108486/glog-5352/g-6me17fjilmrklto6bpfena0

Perhaps if a craftsman wanted to scribe a precise arc, he might tap a
grozing iron with a sharp edge rather than a sharp point. The mystery
item would keep the edge on the arc, perpendicular to the radius, and
parallel to the glass surface.

The farrier's nail is traditional. Ancient glaziers used nails to hold
pieces of stained glass in a pattern temporarily.

The form of the symbol, an X and a nail, is like the symbol on the
mystery item. The Worshipful Company of Glaziers uses a plain X and
four nails. The Glaziers Company, dating back to 1328, also uses a
plain X with four nails. I'd love to see the 1634 coat of arms.

In the 17th Century, glaziers began painting glass instead of cutting
pieces of different colors. The revival of stained glass began about
1865. I wonder if it's because diamond scribes made cutting quicker and
less tricky.

A guild symbol may have been adequate for the original owner. When I
served aboard a small ship, we branded our electronics tools "ET." If
we left one behind, it would find its way back to the right guy.

The use of three initials may show that they weren't carved before a
certain time. Some people used three initials at the time of the
American Revolution, but I don't recall it at the time of Plymouth and
Jamestown.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

27/10/2012 8:14 AM

>> The mystery item looks right to keep such a tool lined up as a craftsman
>> tapped his way through an arc on glass in the days before diamond cutters
>> and revolving cutters.
>
>
> Well, you make a good case for it being a glass cutter but it seems like
> it will be difficult to prove one way or the other. Someone had it on
> display at a tool collector's meeting, I don't know the person's name but
> I'll see if I can contact him to find out if he has any further
> information. I appreciate your interest in trying to figure out these
> tools, some weeks I need all of the help that I can get.



Here is the reply from the owner when I asked for further information on the
tool:

"...the compass came with many other tools from Sweden and most likely is
from there. Each hole is of a slightly different size, is square and was
chiseled through the stock...(none of the holes were drilled). It most
likely was used for woodworking and would date to the later 1700s or the
early 1800s. the small 'mark' by the owner's initials would likely be a
masonic symbol."

Looks like for now there is no proof one way or the other, too bad we can't
find a reference on the web to nail this one down.













SM

"Stormin Mormon"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:22 AM

2689 incense holder for some really totally stoned dudes
2690, probably some picker uppers for a specialized industry. Beyond that,
no ideas.
2691, yah got me chief. Might be a valve shut off tool, for some kind of
valve?
2692. I know what you're thinking, punk. Was it five shots, or was it six?
Now, the question you have to ask yourself. Are you feeling lucky, today?
Punk?
2693, part of a gate latch, for a very large gate.
2694. Scoop for moving round bales of hay.

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"G. Ross"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 6:14 PM

Rob H. wrote:
> These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I don't
> think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe someone here
> can tell us what they are.
>
> 1.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg
>
>
> 2.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jpg
>
1. Artifacts found at Roswell.

--
G.W. Ross

My inferiority complexes aren't as
good as yours.





DN

"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 8:01 PM

On 2012-10-18, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Today's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always

2689) Looks like a tool for drawing (scribing) multiple parallel
lines on wood. The three rows have three different step
increments (I can't tell what size they are). So either a
square stop pin goes in the hole -- or more likely a T-head is
pinned to the holes by a square pin, to keep the shaft at right
angles to the edge of the workpiece.

If the three rows did not start out in line, I would instead
suggest that it was intended to step between the rows to get
finer step divisions.

2690) O.K. Looking mostly at the second image, and going from left
to right, the first (leftmost) is a screw starting screwdriver.
You slide the outer shank down to bring the two tips together,
place the joined tips together into the slot of a standard
slotted screw, and slide the outer shank back a bit allowing them
to spread out a bit to grip the screw. Not a particularly
strong grip, but enough to hold it until it is guided into the
hole and the first turn or so are made. Then the task is
shifted to a regular screwdriver for strength.

The second looks as though it could hold either small nuts or
the OD of Phillips headed screws for starting onto a threaded
stud.

The third is more of a puzzlement, but given its common design
with the others, I think that it could either hold a nut at an
angle while a screw is started from the other side, or perhaps
could hold the inside of the slot of a screw from a side angle
while the nut is started on the other side.

All in all -- a quite useful set of tools.

2691) Perhaps a driver for square nuts of a given size -- or for
turning valve stems, or even floodgate shanks on a canal.

It is adjusted to size by sliding the crossbar shown in the
second photo towards the end.

2692) The end view down the bore of a rifle or pistol barrel -- likely
pistol given the apparent shortness.

Looks as though it needs cleaning, too. A bit of rust on the
lands and other stuff in the grooves.

2693) Designed to grip or release heavy loads depending on which end
of the lever is pulled down.

Looks like it slides over steel cable, but perhaps over an eye
or a cross-bolt.

The two holes to the right attach to the cable from the crane.

2694) I *think* that this is for picking up and moving recently cut
down trees -- likely for loading them onto trucks to carry to
the sawmill.


Now to post and then check what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to "Rob H." on 18/10/2012 4:13 AM

18/10/2012 10:36 PM

On 2012-10-18, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> These two items were sent in by people looking to identify them, I don't
> think they are going to make it on to the web site but maybe someone here
> can tell us what they are.
>
> 1.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/5dcs45.jpg

Hmm ... the characters look somewhat arabic -- but I'm not sure.

> 2.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/6DSCN491.jpg

This looks like some form of pilot light (the electric one which
is used to tell that something electrically powered is on, not what
keeps a gas stove ready to light. However, since this is double-ended
with different colors, I suspect that it may be something from a model
railroad setup -- part of the signals to say whether it is safe to
proceed or not. Perhaps for a live steam scale model setup.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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