I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet, Grizzly,
and Shop Fox.
Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the table
height.
Price limit is $500.
JET here, local purchase, so I could take it back. Tougher with turnaround
from the mail-order places. Wheels are ok with me.
We had a Grizz at school, cast iron cracks, flimsy base, tapered blade
cylinder, all kinds of grief. The 60-year old Delta is back to primary.
"Andrew Doble" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet,
Grizzly,
> and Shop Fox.
>
> Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
> fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
> between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the
table
> height.
>
> Price limit is $500.
>
>
Anyone who has a jointer and does not recheck for square after moving the
fence is asking for trouble anyway. The Delta is more consistent than the
one on my JET and similar, however.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there something about that rack and pinion fence that makes it
> easier to square up than the standard dual pivot fences? The article
> mentions the ease of use from being able to adjust it with one hand,
> but that isn't a huge selling point for me.
>
> It seems like a nice fence design for sure, but it also does take up
> more room behind the unit, and I'd like to keep mine (in my space
> constrained "shop") flat up against a wall. However if the rack and
> pinion is leaps and bounds better from a squaring standpoint, I would
> consider it.
"Andrew Doble" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet, Grizzly,
> and Shop Fox.
>
> Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
> fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
> between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the table
> height.
Check out Sunhill. http://www.sunhillmachinery.com/products/jointers/ct60l.asp
You don't hear much about them but, except for the placement of the
handwheels, I can't tell the difference between mine and the Jet.
It's only $329 now and is a great deal.
When you get your jointer, get Taunton's video on tuning up a jointer.
It's worth the money.
Dick Durbin
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:37:41 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:19 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
>> >using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
>>
>> LMAO!
>>
> Better than JYGO (Jointing Your .... -- you get the picture), which is
>the picture evoked by the above.
I should have added that, while laughing at the comment, I was wincing
at the prospect. ;-)
Greg
Just to stir the pot, in case you're one of those .5 micron filter types:
TALC: - Carcinogen. Used by some 20 million women in their reproductive
years; not to mention, it's wide use on infants in the form of "baby
powder". According to Dr. Epstein, M.D., "Talc should never be used on
babies both because of its carcinogenicity and acute respiratory distress
from inhalation that often results in death. There are at least 3 clear cut
studies which have been published in the scientific literature that show
routine application of talc in the genital area is associated with up to a 3
to 4 fold increase in the development of ovarian cancer."
http://antiagingchoices.com/harmful_ingredients/toxic_ingredients.htm#Talc
Do know that our gloves are now talc free because of respiratory problems
and those studies.
"LtNtHacker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bought the Powermatic 54A. Great out of the box and love those extra long
> wings. The price was $749. Free shipping and no tax from AMAZON. Funny
thing
> though, they (Powermatic) recommend Talc power instead of wax for the
beds.
> Seems to work good.
I own the Sunhill 6" jointer. Got great reviews by the magazines. I had
already ordered a Grizzly when I changed my mind. The Sunhill is actually
made by GeeTech which after some browsing on the web led me to the fact that
GeeTech also produces Jet's 6" jointer. Huh, well, that's why it looks just
like a Jet.
Anyway, I really like using it, setup was pretty straightforward and the
beds are true and my cuts are nice and flat. For the price it definitely
can't be beat. Oh, and it took a day and a half to get here and they put it
in my garage for me. Sweet!
Mike
"Dick Durbin crafted:"
Check out Sunhill.
http://www.sunhillmachinery.com/products/jointers/ct60l.asp
You don't hear much about them but, except for the placement of the
handwheels, I can't tell the difference between mine and the Jet.
It's only $329 now and is a great deal.
When you get your jointer, get Taunton's video on tuning up a jointer.
It's worth the money.
Dick Durbin
Ditto ... could afford the DJ-20, just couldn't afford a bigger shop to put
it in, so I settled for the 54A. If you have to settle for a 6" jointer,
that is a good one to have. I use TopCote on it, works fine.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/21/03
"LtNtHacker" wrote in message
> Bought the Powermatic 54A. Great out of the box and love those extra long
> wings. The price was $749. Free shipping and no tax from AMAZON. Funny
thing
> though, they (Powermatic) recommend Talc power instead of wax for the
beds.
> Seems to work good.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:19 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
> >using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
>
> LMAO!
>
>
Better than JYGO (Jointing Your .... -- you get the picture), which is
the picture evoked by the above.
Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just to stir the pot, in case you're one of those .5 micron filter types:
>
> TALC: - Carcinogen. Used by some 20 million women in their reproductive
> years; not to mention, it's wide use on infants in the form of "baby
> powder". According to Dr. Epstein, M.D., "Talc should never be used on
> babies both because of its carcinogenicity and acute respiratory distress
> from inhalation that often results in death. There are at least 3 clear
cut
> studies which have been published in the scientific literature that show
> routine application of talc in the genital area is associated with up to a
3
> to 4 fold increase in the development of ovarian cancer."
> http://antiagingchoices.com/harmful_ingredients/toxic_ingredients.htm#Talc
>
> Do know that our gloves are now talc free because of respiratory problems
> and those studies.
>
> "LtNtHacker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Bought the Powermatic 54A. Great out of the box and love those extra
long
> > wings. The price was $749. Free shipping and no tax from AMAZON.
Funny
> thing
> > though, they (Powermatic) recommend Talc power instead of wax for the
> beds.
> > Seems to work good.
>
>
Groggy notes:
>Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
>using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
Definitely sounds worth a try.
In the meantime, you might want to try cornstarch instead of talc.
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:19:40 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > Groggy notes:
> >
> >>Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
> >>using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
> >
> > Definitely sounds worth a try.
> >
> > In the meantime, you might want to try cornstarch instead of talc.
>
> Cornstarch, genitals? This is taking a direction of some of the email
> I've been getting...
Every country boy in the South knows that, when you get galled from
working in a new pair of bib overalls in hot weather, you just grab a
handfull of cornstarch and rub it on your crotch. Hell, only the rich
folks could afford that fancy Gold Bond powder stuff.
Dick Durbin
Dick Durbin responds:
>> I've been getting...
>
>Every country boy in the South knows that, when you get galled from
>working in a new pair of bib overalls in hot weather, you just grab a
>handfull of cornstarch and rub it on your crotch. Hell, only the rich
>folks could afford that fancy Gold Bond powder stuff.
>
Just for kicks, I looked at my Gold Bond foot powder. It's 78% talc (!), active
ingredient is menthol. I accidentally grabbed some after a shower one day
(before cataract surgery), and I guaran-damn-tee you it won't happen again.
Stuff probably isn't aimed at doing anything other than making you sting, but
that it does very, very well when used as a hot weather body powder. Stick with
the GREEN bottle!
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
Charlie:
Try being in the shower, washing per normal, having a rash
characteristic of summer/being male/swetting A LOT, soap
in eyes, reaching for analgesic cream upon drying off (eyes
still burning) - only to find out you just used 'ICY HOT' !
S H I T !
Warmly, Griz
<[email protected]>
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On 10 Nov 2003 19:08:06 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
...that fancy Gold Bond powder stuff.
">
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"Just for kicks, I looked at my Gold Bond foot powder. It's 78% talc (!), active
"ingredient is menthol. I accidentally grabbed some after a shower one day
"(before cataract surgery), and I guaran-damn-tee you it won't happen again.
"Stuff probably isn't aimed at doing anything other than making you sting, but
"that it does very, very well when used as a hot weather body powder. Stick with
"the GREEN bottle!
"
"Charlie Self
"
""Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
"function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
"things." Sir Winston Churchill
"
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Griz responds:
>Try being in the shower, washing per normal, having a rash
>characteristic of summer/being male/swetting A LOT, soap
>in eyes, reaching for analgesic cream upon drying off (eyes
>still burning) - only to find out you just used 'ICY HOT' !
And you still have to find a name for that new dance. :)
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:19:40 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
> Groggy notes:
>
>>Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
>>using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
>
> Definitely sounds worth a try.
>
> In the meantime, you might want to try cornstarch instead of talc.
Cornstarch, genitals? This is taking a direction of some of the email
I've been getting...
-Doug
Doug Winterburn responds:
>> Groggy notes:
>>
>>>Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
>>>using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
>>
>> Definitely sounds worth a try.
>>
>> In the meantime, you might want to try cornstarch instead of talc.
>
>Cornstarch, genitals? This is taking a direction of some of the email
>I've been getting...
Yabbut...most body powders today use cornstarch. Some manufacturers are
recommending talc for cast iron tops (I haven't tried it: makes me nervous to
think of all the clean-up work if it isn't effective), but talc is not PC these
days. It's like being born, that is. It eventually kills you. So, cornstarch in
your skivvies and on your cast iron.
The genital concept was Groggy's own. I don't even want to imagine (or, as one
of our young lovelies announcing the news says, "umagine" which is really fun
when she has to "umagine what is happening to ullegal ummigrants."
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>
> Yabbut...most body powders today use cornstarch. Some manufacturers are
> recommending talc for cast iron tops (I haven't tried it: makes me nervous to
> think of all the clean-up work if it isn't effective), but talc is not PC these
> days. It's like being born, that is. It eventually kills you. So, cornstarch in
> your skivvies and on your cast iron.
>
Why would you put starch on your cast iron? If you don't want to use
talc isn't it better to put something onthe iron that will PREVENT
rust rather than encouraage it?
--
FF
[email protected] (Charlie Self) writes:
[...]
> Yabbut...most body powders today use cornstarch. Some manufacturers are
> recommending talc for cast iron tops (I haven't tried it: makes me nervous to
> think of all the clean-up work if it isn't effective), but talc is
> not PC these days. It's like being born, that is. It eventually
> kills you. So, cornstarch in your skivvies and on your cast iron.
but check if the starch doesnt draw and keep moisture, doing on the
cast iron more bad than good.
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:59:19 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Soooo, the message seems to be to keep your genitals off the jointer if
>using talc, I think we can do that...<g>
LMAO!
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:37:41 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Better than JYGO (Jointing Your .... -- you get the picture), which is
>the picture evoked by the above.
That's one way to remove a curve! No jointer? There's always hand
planes, although the vise would be extra painful! <G>
Barry
I have the grizzly 6" and it's worth the money spent on it. That being
said, you get what you pay for and I wish I had waited a little longer and
put more money together and bought a higher quality machine since I find
myself using it more and more. It has a cabinet base which is a tad flimsy
as the previous post stated. I haven't purchased a mobile base for it yet
and moving it into position to use and back again has bent the base.
There's allot of vibration with the stock belt. Again, I haven't purchased
a link belt to see if that reduces the vibration, which I plan to do. My
model has hand screws which just seem to me would be easier to adjust
cutting depth but I have no experience with lever adjustment. My biggest
gripe is the fence tilts towards the table instead of away from it for angle
jointing, obscuring the work piece. The table lock lever is plastic which I
expect to break any day now.
Brian wrote:
> "Andrew Doble" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet, Grizzly,
>>and Shop Fox.
>>
>>Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
>>fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
>>between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the table
>>height.
>>
>>Price limit is $500.
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Believe it or not, the Ridgid 6" jointer available from Home Depot
> receives excellent reviews. It costs $399, I believe. Fine
> Woodworking's Tools & Shops Annual issue last Winter (2002) reviewed
> about a dozen or so 6" jointers and put the Ridgid and the Powermatic
> up at the top of the list.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Brian.
While you're looking at that FWW article, note also that the Yorkraft 6" is the
same machine as the Delta. The Yorkcrafts now sell for $299, and the people I
talked to at Wilke while I was buying mine indicate that fit and finish have
improved since the article, as their ordering power has gone way up.
I've been very happy with mine - the $200 difference in price from the Delta
(at minimum) certainly covers shipping costs. (I was lucky, I only had to
drive 45 minutes to get mine).
--
James T. Kirby
Center for Applied Coastal Research
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
phone: 302-831-2438
fax: 302-831-1228
email: [email protected]
http://chinacat.coastal.udel.edu/~kirby
Brian wrote:
>>While you're looking at that FWW article, note also that the Yorkraft 6" is the
>>same machine as the Delta. The Yorkcrafts now sell for $299, and the people I
>>talked to at Wilke while I was buying mine indicate that fit and finish have
>>improved since the article, as their ordering power has gone way up.
>>
>>I've been very happy with mine - the $200 difference in price from the Delta
>>(at minimum) certainly covers shipping costs. (I was lucky, I only had to
>>drive 45 minutes to get mine).
>
>
> James,
>
> Is there something about that rack and pinion fence that makes it
> easier to square up than the standard dual pivot fences? The article
> mentions the ease of use from being able to adjust it with one hand,
> but that isn't a huge selling point for me.
>
> It seems like a nice fence design for sure, but it also does take up
> more room behind the unit, and I'd like to keep mine (in my space
> constrained "shop") flat up against a wall. However if the rack and
> pinion is leaps and bounds better from a squaring standpoint, I would
> consider it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian.
I can't answer the question adequately, since this is my first "real" 6" jointer.
Well, I did have a Craftsman that I got from my Dad. That had a fence that was
so bad it was almost inconceivable.
The rack and pinion fence seems to be robust. I would worry about excess rotation
about the center compared to a two-point support system, but the mount is heavy
duty
and seems to maintain allignments well enough. I have not checked it to the
extent
that I checked parallelism for the infeed and outfeed tables, however.
I'm happy with the machine. It is alligned well, finished well, and runs quietly.
There is indeed a lot of hardware on the back side of the machine - it doesn't
get particularly close to a wall when parked.
JK
--
James T. Kirby
Center for Applied Coastal Research
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
phone: 302-831-2438
fax: 302-831-1228
email: [email protected]
http://chinacat.coastal.udel.edu/~kirby
"Andrew Doble" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet, Grizzly,
> and Shop Fox.
>
> Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
> fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
> between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the table
> height.
>
> Price limit is $500.
Andrew,
Believe it or not, the Ridgid 6" jointer available from Home Depot
receives excellent reviews. It costs $399, I believe. Fine
Woodworking's Tools & Shops Annual issue last Winter (2002) reviewed
about a dozen or so 6" jointers and put the Ridgid and the Powermatic
up at the top of the list.
FWIW.
Brian.
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 11 Nov 2003 08:32:56 -0800, [email protected]
> (Brian) wrote:
>
>
> >Believe it or not, the Ridgid 6" jointer available from Home Depot
> >receives excellent reviews. It costs $399, I believe.
>
> I picked up one about a year ago for $379. I'm pleased as punch with
> it.
>
> However, I think it's now discontinued.
>
> Barry
Saw it at my local Home Depot recently. Model number is JP0610 and it
still appears on their website:
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/JP0610-Jointer
I'm currently deciding between it and the Sunhill, and will probably
go with the Sunhill at $329 + freight. The Sunhill's bed is about 8"
longer, and every little bit helps. :)
Brian.
> While you're looking at that FWW article, note also that the Yorkraft 6" is the
> same machine as the Delta. The Yorkcrafts now sell for $299, and the people I
> talked to at Wilke while I was buying mine indicate that fit and finish have
> improved since the article, as their ordering power has gone way up.
>
> I've been very happy with mine - the $200 difference in price from the Delta
> (at minimum) certainly covers shipping costs. (I was lucky, I only had to
> drive 45 minutes to get mine).
James,
Is there something about that rack and pinion fence that makes it
easier to square up than the standard dual pivot fences? The article
mentions the ease of use from being able to adjust it with one hand,
but that isn't a huge selling point for me.
It seems like a nice fence design for sure, but it also does take up
more room behind the unit, and I'd like to keep mine (in my space
constrained "shop") flat up against a wall. However if the rack and
pinion is leaps and bounds better from a squaring standpoint, I would
consider it.
Thanks!
Brian.
On 11 Nov 2003 08:32:56 -0800, [email protected]
(Brian) wrote:
>Believe it or not, the Ridgid 6" jointer available from Home Depot
>receives excellent reviews. It costs $399, I believe.
I picked up one about a year ago for $379. I'm pleased as punch with
it.
However, I think it's now discontinued.
Barry
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:44:34 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyone who has a jointer and does not recheck for square after moving the
>fence is asking for trouble anyway. The Delta is more consistent than the
>one on my JET and similar, however.
>
I really like the Delta fence - stays square as far as moving back
and forth across the table which I do regularly to try to keep the
wear on the knives even - but I always check it whenever I change the
angle back and forth from 90 deg.
Bob
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:44:34 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyone who has a jointer and does not recheck for square after moving the
>fence is asking for trouble anyway. The Delta is more consistent than the
>one on my JET and similar, however.
My Ridgid's been great in that respect.
Barry
Run, don't walk - to your nearest machinery supply store and buy a
Fenner Link Belt!! You'll "rise up and call me blessed"!
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:23:14 GMT, "mel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have the grizzly 6" and it's worth the money spent on it. That being
>said, you get what you pay for and I wish I had waited a little longer and
>put more money together and bought a higher quality machine since I find
>myself using it more and more. It has a cabinet base which is a tad flimsy
>as the previous post stated. I haven't purchased a mobile base for it yet
>and moving it into position to use and back again has bent the base.
>There's allot of vibration with the stock belt. Again, I haven't purchased
>a link belt to see if that reduces the vibration, which I plan to do. My
>model has hand screws which just seem to me would be easier to adjust
>cutting depth but I have no experience with lever adjustment. My biggest
>gripe is the fence tilts towards the table instead of away from it for angle
>jointing, obscuring the work piece. The table lock lever is plastic which I
>expect to break any day now.
>
"Andrew Doble" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking for a 6" jointer and have been looking at Delta, Jet,
Grizzly,
> and Shop Fox.
>
> Any suggestions? I keep seeing reviews complaining about the tables and
> fences not being flat and square. I am also wondering about the difference
> between the hand wheel adjustment versus the lever adjustment for the
table
> height.
>
> Price limit is $500.
>
>
I am in the market for a jointer also. I finally decided on the closed stand
Jet. Tool Crib in my city will have a tool show in a week or so I am going
to pick one up then.
I looked at Grizzly, ($380 to $530 w/freight), and Shop Fox, but decided
that with freight the price was to close to bother with the possiblility of
poorer quality than the Jet, (on sale for ~$450). Also looked at Delta's,
but did not like the way the mechanisim for the fence stuck way out the back
side, and the lever to raise and lower the infeed seemed cheesy too.
I read through the customer reveiws on Amazon. The Delta gets a ton of bad
press from warped feces and the like. Although they reted the same, about
the worse hit Jet gets is some chipped paint!
Greg
I have a Grizzly. True right out of the box. Except for adjusting
the usual adjustments, I haven't done anything to it yet except use
it. Of course, I'm not as picky as some people here. As best I can
tell, it's flat and true.
I have the lever model, I don't have any problems with it so if the
handwheels are extre $$$ I wouldn't bother.
I just wish I had gotten the 8" one :-P