On Nov 7, 4:27=A0pm, E Z Peaces <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dwayne wrote:
> > "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
> >>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on t=
he
> >>> trigger and
> >>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the fron=
t
> >>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
> >>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a na=
il
> >>> gun.
>
> >> Good guess! =A0The first part is correct, but the description of how i=
t
> >> works goes in the wrong direction.
>
> >> Rob
> > Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>
> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. =A0I guess you would
> have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. =A0In
> reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>
> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
> position at the instant you pull the trigger. =A0If that part goes okay,
> the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
> blood.
>
> Then you put the tool away. =A0If you have any curious children, they may
> end up with missing fingers.
>
> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. =A0That looks safer,
> and the person could better avoid spattering.
>
> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
> spatter blood far.
My Grandfather just swung them around by the head and broke their
neck.
Karl
On Nov 9, 3:55=A0am, E Z Peaces <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 4:27 pm, E Z Peaces <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Dwayne wrote:
> >>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerfu=
l
> >>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on=
the
> >>>>> trigger and
> >>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the fr=
ont
> >>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun ju=
st
> >>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a =
nail
> >>>>> gun.
> >>>> Good guess! =A0The first part is correct, but the description of how=
it
> >>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
> >>>> Rob
> >>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
> >> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. =A0I guess you wou=
ld
> >> have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. =A0In
> >> reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>
> >> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely i=
n
> >> position at the instant you pull the trigger. =A0If that part goes oka=
y,
> >> the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you wi=
th
> >> blood.
>
> >> Then you put the tool away. =A0If you have any curious children, they =
may
> >> end up with missing fingers.
>
> >> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
> >> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. =A0That looks safe=
r,
> >> and the person could better avoid spattering.
>
> >> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
> >> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
> >> spatter blood far.
>
> > My Grandfather just swung them around by the head and broke their
> > neck.
> > Karl
>
> I've read that it used to be a British practice to break a bird's neck,
> then let it lie awhile without bleeding it. =A0The meat was said to taste
> better that way, but Americans thought bleeding was necessary for
> sanitation.
>
> Nowadays I often see funnels where people keep chickens. =A0It can
> simplify slaughter. =A0I wonder how long funnels have been used.
>
> Our funnel wasn't big enough for turkeys. =A0We'd hang and cut them, and
> there was some absent-minded thrashing. =A0IIRC there was time to step ba=
ck.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
We used to do the 'two-nails-in-a-chopping-block' thing ourselves. It
was always a badge of a genuine 'subsistence farmstead' when the
chopping block next to the woodpile had red bloodstains on it from the
chickens.
I liked doing it in the winter with snow on the ground. You'd hack off
their heads, then toss the bodies away and they'd flap around hopping
and twisting, making little circles in the fresh snow. There was
something sumultaneously macabre, mathematical, sadistic and
survivalist about it. It was a choice to not feel bad for the chicken,
but I was always a bit relieved as we stripped off the feathers and
cut it apart and it started looking less and less like the thing that
had been stretched out on the chopping block a few minutes earlier,
staring at me with that blank stare of amazement and perplexity that
chickens always have.
--riverman
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>I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
1457. That is a very interesting piece. I know that back in the day, when
firearms were essentially one shot devices, they used to put knives on the
top of pistols. You fired your shot and continued to fight with the knife.
So, I guess, this has a similar philosophy. But an axe instead of a knife.
It sure would be hard to aim and carry in your belt. I would love to know
more about it.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
> 1457. That is a very interesting piece. I know that back in the day, when
> firearms were essentially one shot devices, they used to put knives on the
> top of pistols. You fired your shot and continued to fight with the knife.
> So, I guess, this has a similar philosophy. But an axe instead of a knife.
>
> It sure would be hard to aim and carry in your belt. I would love to
> know more about it.
>
>
Oops, minor correction.
Most of the gun-knife combo's had the knife attached to the BOTTOM of the
pistol.
Not so with this little tomahawk-gun. This arrangement makes the use of
either weapon very unwieldy. Not terribly practical in my opinion.
Stuart wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>
> You commit suicide with it >:-o ?!
Butcher beaned by berserk bovine! Full report at 10.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
In article <[email protected]>,
Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
> works goes in the wrong direction.
You commit suicide with it >:-o ?!
--
Stuart Winsor
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>> trigger and
>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>> gun.
>
>
> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
> works goes in the wrong direction.
>
>
> Rob
Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
"E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dwayne wrote:
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>>> trigger and
>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>>> gun.
>>>
>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
> have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
> reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>
> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
> position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay, the
> beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
> blood.
>
> Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
> end up with missing fingers.
>
> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken, which
> would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer, and the
> person could better avoid spattering.
>
> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel. This
> makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't spatter
> blood far.
So I guess putting your foot where i suggested wouldn't be a good idea then
:/
Nahmie wrote:
> buried and lay in there cooking.
> I dont remember what we did have for lunch that day, but Im quite
> certain it was NOT chicken. Actually, the old hired man Emmett and I
> had a pretty good laugh over it all, and no, it did not put me off my
> taste for chicken.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> #1453
>> Don't know but hope someone does, I've had one for years and never have
>> figured what it does.
>
>
> I took the photos of this device several months ago at the flea market, I
> was thinking that the knob on the right was connected to the gauge but I
> could be wrong. Can you take a close look at yours and tell us what the
> various knobs and levers are for? Also, if there are any names or numbers
> on it, please let us know.
>
> Rob
>
With reference to your picture when the knob on the right is pulled down it
opens a set of jaws on the far left of the tool along with moving the
needle. It's spring loaded so when you release it the jaws close and the
dial indicator returns toward zero. This leads me to believe it's some sort
of thickness gauge. The brass button on the face of the tool is marked 80
Train with either a degree or pound symbol after the 80. The bottom half of
the tool is wood with a few hand craved initials on it. Previous owner
marking his tool I suppose. The only machine markings I see are the number
45138 near the slot for the right hand knob. The orientation of the dial on
my sample is rotated 180 degrees from the one pictured. The graduations on
the dial of mine are different as well, yours goes from zero to one hundred
with mine going from zero to forty. The lettering on the face of the dial
states:
NUMBERED IN .001"
1 DIV. = .0002"
The rounded knob on the left side of the tool appears to be a cover for the
pin which the jaws pivot on. The two protrusions just to the left of the
dial are a lock screw and knob to finely adjust the zero of the dial.
It would be neat to find out exactly what this tool was used for.
--
John Dunn
Vortex Precision Services, Inc.
281-449-0444 Office
281-449-0805 Fax
[email protected]
On Nov 7, 11:09=A0pm, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
(SNIP)
> Grandma did the deed using two spikes driven close together in the end
> of a chopping block. =A0She just pushed the little buggers head between
> the spikes, yanked and flung. =A0They'd run around and bleed out in a
> minute or so. =A0The worst part was dipping 'em in boiling water and
> plucking 'em. =A0The smell was almost enough to ruin your appetite for
> fried chicken lunch - but not quite enough.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ROAST CHICKEN
=91Tis time for a tale of the farming life. Now listen my friends, for
this is the absolute truth. Many of you know that in my youth I spent
a great deal of time on my Uncle Harry=92s dairy farm. He was moving
slowly, and reluctantly I might add, into the tractor age. He still
used and loved his work horses. During the winter they were still used
for going to the woods when cutting wood for the kitchen stove & the
furnace, and used daily for spreading manure when cleaning the cow
stable. However, when we cleaned the horse stable, it was loaded in a
wheelbarrow and taken out another door, over a plank, and dumped on a
pile. This was left to accumulate until late Spring or early Summer,
then when Uncle was out mowing hay with the horses, we would put the
=93stub=94 tongue for the tractor in the manure spreader and pull it
around by the manure pile, where the hired man & I would load it up
and then I would take it out and spread it.
Now this particular day it was getting close to lunch time, and
Emmett and I were both getting pretty hungry, when we started smelling
the most wonderful aroma of roast chicken! I tell you, it was enough
to make your mouth water! We couldn=92t figure out whether my Aunt was
fixing chicken for lunch or the =93old maid=94 next door was making it,
but it sure was getting us all worked up ready for lunch.
Well, we kept on working, trying to get the spreader loaded before
lunch, and when we had it almost full, wouldn=92t you know it - - - - -
.
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we uncovered a doggoned DEAD CHICKEN in the manure pile!!!!!
Unbeknownst to us, Uncle had thrown a dead chicken he found in the
henhouse into the manure pile during the winter, where it had been
buried and lay in there cooking.
I don=92t remember what we did have for lunch that day, but I=92m quite
certain it was NOT chicken. Actually, the old hired man Emmett and I
had a pretty good laugh over it all, and no, it did not put me off my
taste for chicken.
Norm
On Nov 7, 1:32=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Stuart wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > =A0 =A0Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Good guess! =A0The first part is correct, but the description of how i=
t
> >> works goes in the wrong direction.
>
> > You commit suicide with it =A0>:-o =A0?!
>
> Butcher beaned by berserk bovine! Full report at 10.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
That will teach me to open one of your posts whilst taking a drink of
coffee.......
On 6 Nov, 09:24, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1453 Dial gauge. The manual lever on the right lifts the real
measuring probe clear of the surface, then lowers it down gradually. I
bet the actual measuring probe is somewhere at the left hand end, or
might even be missing by now.
1454 Giant pencil sharpener for putting cylindrical tenons onto the
ends of square section stock. Could be for almost anything, but I'd
guess some sort of small-scale production basket or cage-making
process. Chicken coops, that sort of thing.
1455 yet another patent nail inserter / extractor. Forget better
mousetraps, that patent office had its time filled with claw hammers.
This one looks very similar to a Bahco brand I bought new a few years
ago - used for lifting cut nails out of floorboards.
1456 Surgical or medical steriliser. Only a small one, so it might be
for an injection set rather than scalpels.
1457 Obviously a combination pistolaxe, but _why_ is anyone's guess.
Favoured weapon of the Parisian Apache?
1458 Sample corer.
>I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
I wish I could help, but all I have are worthless obvious generalization
guesses...
1453 Dial Indicator No idea about the specific application.
1454 Tool to trim the outside diameter of end of wood dowel. Guess... chair
back rods.
1455 Puller (obviously) But I can't visualize something sticking out about
2.5" from a surface that has a lip to be grasped and pulled hard for a short
distance.
1456 Drug preparation tool/kit/set. Alcohol lamp heats drug in top
compartment to prepare for administration. I do not speak from experience.
1457 Tomahawk gun. Strange... grip style is 2nd half of 19th century,
tomahawk guns were 18th century tools, so probably a decorative piece.
1458 Core sampler, for something moderately soft, like cheese.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this
>>> week's set:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>> 1457. That is a very interesting piece. I know that back in the
>> day,
>> when firearms were essentially one shot devices, they used to put
>> knives on the top of pistols. You fired your shot and continued to
>> fight with the knife. So, I guess, this has a similar philosophy.
>> But an axe instead of a knife.
>>
>> It sure would be hard to aim and carry in your belt. I would love
>> to know more about it.
>>
>>
> Oops, minor correction.
>
> Most of the gun-knife combo's had the knife attached to the BOTTOM
> of
> the pistol.
>
> Not so with this little tomahawk-gun. This arrangement makes the
> use
> of either weapon very unwieldy. Not terribly practical in my
> opinion.
I don't think it's an axe. The edge appears flat, and the hook on the
"blade" along with the two protrusions on the barrel suggest that it
is to be positioned against something else and possibly latched.
Doesn't seem to be any kind of loading or firing mechanism either, but
it looks like there _might_ be a slot of some kind on the top--perhaps
it is spring-loaded?
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> #1453
> Don't know but hope someone does, I've had one for years and never have
> figured what it does.
I took the photos of this device several months ago at the flea market, I
was thinking that the knob on the right was connected to the gauge but I
could be wrong. Can you take a close look at yours and tell us what the
various knobs and levers are for? Also, if there are any names or numbers
on it, please let us know.
Rob
> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
> trigger and
> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
> gun.
Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it works
goes in the wrong direction.
Rob
> With reference to your picture when the knob on the right is pulled down
> it opens a set of jaws on the far left of the tool along with moving the
> needle. It's spring loaded so when you release it the jaws close and the
> dial indicator returns toward zero. This leads me to believe it's some
> sort of thickness gauge. The brass button on the face of the tool is
> marked 80 Train with either a degree or pound symbol after the 80. The
> bottom half of the tool is wood with a few hand craved initials on it.
> Previous owner marking his tool I suppose. The only machine markings I see
> are the number 45138 near the slot for the right hand knob. The
> orientation of the dial on my sample is rotated 180 degrees from the one
> pictured. The graduations on the dial of mine are different as well, yours
> goes from zero to one hundred with mine going from zero to forty. The
> lettering on the face of the dial states:
>
> NUMBERED IN .001"
> 1 DIV. = .0002"
>
> The rounded knob on the left side of the tool appears to be a cover for
> the pin which the jaws pivot on. The two protrusions just to the left of
> the dial are a lock screw and knob to finely adjust the zero of the dial.
>
> It would be neat to find out exactly what this tool was used for.
Thanks for posting the description, I added it to this week's answer page:
http://answers257x.blogspot.com/
Rob
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> E Z Peaces <[email protected]> writes:
>> Dwayne wrote:
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>>>> trigger and
>>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>>>> gun.
>>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>>>
>>>
>> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
>> have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
>> reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>>
>> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
>> position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay,
>> the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
>> blood.
>>
>> Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
>> end up with missing fingers.
>>
>> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer,
>> and the person could better avoid spattering.
>>
>> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>> spatter blood far.
>
> What's wrong with a hatchet and a tree-stump? Worked for us every
> Sunday.
>
> scott
It worked fine when I did it that way, but a chicken bent on revenge
could get some blood on you, and you must aim well if you want the whole
neck for soup.
With a funnel and knife, there's a way to cut the brain to loosen the
feathers.
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:09:50 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>E Z Peaces wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> E Z Peaces <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Dwayne wrote:
>>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty
>>>>>>> powerful spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it
>>>>>>> caught on the trigger and
>>>>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the
>>>>>>> front would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the
>>>>>>> gun just bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring
>>>>>>> version of a nail gun.
>>>>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how
>>>>>> it works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>>>>>
>>>> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you
>>>> would have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken.
>>>> In reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>>>>
>>>> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely
>>>> in position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes
>>>> okay, the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering
>>>> you with blood.
>>>>
>>>> Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they
>>>> may end up with missing fingers.
>>>>
>>>> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>>>> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks
>>>> safer, and the person could better avoid spattering.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>>>> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>>>> spatter blood far.
>>>
>>> What's wrong with a hatchet and a tree-stump? Worked for us every
>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>> scott
>>
>> It worked fine when I did it that way, but a chicken bent on revenge
>> could get some blood on you, and you must aim well if you want the whole
>> neck for soup.
>>
>> With a funnel and knife, there's a way to cut the brain to loosen the
>> feathers.
>
>Grandma did the deed using two spikes driven close together in the end
>of a chopping block. She just pushed the little buggers head between
>the spikes, yanked and flung. They'd run around and bleed out in a
>minute or so. The worst part was dipping 'em in boiling water and
>plucking 'em. The smell was almost enough to ruin your appetite for
>fried chicken lunch - but not quite enough.
We hung them by the feet then a narrow blade down the throat and cut
the artery and hold them down for a few seconds until they stop
fighting. We raised 500 chickens every year for the summer residents
and sold them every way from still kicking to stuffed and roasted
including the gravy (Mother charged 50 cents more than the dressed
price). We had a deal with the bread wholesale delivery driver for all
stale bread that was left in the stores, he and his helper got a roast
chicken to snack on during the trip back to the bakery. SWMBO can't
understand why chicken isn't my favorite meal.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
E Z Peaces <[email protected]> writes:
>Dwayne wrote:
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>>> trigger and
>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>>> gun.
>>>
>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>>
>>
>The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
>have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
>reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>
>With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
>position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay,
>the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
>blood.
>
>Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
>end up with missing fingers.
>
>About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer,
>and the person could better avoid spattering.
>
>I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>spatter blood far.
What's wrong with a hatchet and a tree-stump? Worked for us every
Sunday.
scott
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:27:48 -0500, E Z Peaces <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Dwayne wrote:
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>>> trigger and
>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>>> gun.
>>>
>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>>
>>
>The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
>have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
>reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>
>With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
>position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay,
>the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
>blood.
>
>Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
>end up with missing fingers.
>
or other parts
>About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer,
>and the person could better avoid spattering.
>
>I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>spatter blood far.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
[email protected] wrote:
> On Nov 7, 4:27 pm, E Z Peaces <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dwayne wrote:
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>>>> trigger and
>>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>>>> gun.
>>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>>>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>> Rob
>>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
>> have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
>> reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>>
>> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
>> position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay,
>> the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
>> blood.
>>
>> Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
>> end up with missing fingers.
>>
>> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer,
>> and the person could better avoid spattering.
>>
>> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>> spatter blood far.
>
> My Grandfather just swung them around by the head and broke their
> neck.
> Karl
I've read that it used to be a British practice to break a bird's neck,
then let it lie awhile without bleeding it. The meat was said to taste
better that way, but Americans thought bleeding was necessary for
sanitation.
Nowadays I often see funnels where people keep chickens. It can
simplify slaughter. I wonder how long funnels have been used.
Our funnel wasn't big enough for turkeys. We'd hang and cut them, and
there was some absent-minded thrashing. IIRC there was time to step back.
On 2008-11-06, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Interesting collection!
1453) Hmm ... you don't mention whether the knob is spring-loaded
towards the position in which it is shown.
At a guess, this mounts on top of a tripod or some other stable
surface, and a telescope with cross-hairs fits over the
round-nosed pin to the left, and the knob to the right. It is
pointed at some reference at a distance, and while it is held
there, the thumb press lever in the middle is used to rotate
the scale to establish the zero. Then the telescope is shifted
to view some other reference point, and the angular separation
is read from the scale.
I do wonder what the wheel below the round-nosed pin on the
left is -- and what happens when you move it.
1454) This appears to serve two functions.
1) To drive a large diameter wood cutting drill bit
using the chuck, with the device mounted to a stable
surface.
2) The other function involves the spiral-toothed burr
which is either to cut flats on pieces of wood fed
through the adjustable guides shown, or (perhaps) to
somehow sharpen the drill bit.
1455) Perhaps a wire fencing tool?
1456) The metal bottle is something like an alcohol lamp, and the
compartment at the top is perhaps for holding something to
be sterilized -- hypodermic needles, perhaps?
1457) A suicide dueling gun? :-)
Perhaps something like a rubber-band powered crossbow pistol?
(Hook the bands around the flag at the front, and over something
which slides in the barrel and projects up a bit?)
1458) For cutting holes in which to plant flowers or other desirable
foliage? Perhaps for plants which grow from bulbs? The upper
one can then dump the extracted dirt back into the hole by
operating the lever, and the smaller one on the bottom can pour
the dirt out of the top.
Now to see what others have guessed.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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humunculus wrote:
>
> We used to do the 'two-nails-in-a-chopping-block' thing ourselves. It
> was always a badge of a genuine 'subsistence farmstead' when the
> chopping block next to the woodpile had red bloodstains on it from the
> chickens.
>
> I liked doing it in the winter with snow on the ground. You'd hack off
> their heads, then toss the bodies away and they'd flap around hopping
> and twisting, making little circles in the fresh snow. There was
> something sumultaneously macabre, mathematical, sadistic and
> survivalist about it. It was a choice to not feel bad for the chicken,
> but I was always a bit relieved as we stripped off the feathers and
> cut it apart and it started looking less and less like the thing that
> had been stretched out on the chopping block a few minutes earlier,
> staring at me with that blank stare of amazement and perplexity that
> chickens always have.
>
> --riverman
Ahh, subsistence farming...
My BIL used to call me to help him butcher a goat. It was always
difficult because he always did it wrong and never learned from his
mistakes. He'd pen the goat in the evening so the gut would be empty in
the morning.
He didn't believe in cleaning a rifle after shooting. He would wait
until he was about to shoot because he thought the purpose of cleaning
was to remove any possible household dust. He'd lead the hungry goat
from the pen and tether it near a bush, then go to clean his rifle. I'd
arrive about the time he finished. The bush would be bare and the goat
bulging.
His butchering knife was a $2 bread knife with a rusty blade. He
claimed this kind of knife sharpened better than expensive ones. Not
that he'd ever sharpened it. He'd ask me to sharpen it while he went to
town to buy cigarettes. It took time to sharpen the badly abused edge,
and I knew it would be dull before the goat was even skinned.
When he returned, he'd go out with the rifle and knife. The sight of
the goat gorging itself made him crave cigarettes. I'd see him standing
by the goat smoking cigarettes with the sharpened bread knife stuck in
the ground at his feet. It happened that way every time.
By the time the goat had been shot, hoisted, and bled, the heavy gut
would be bloating. My knife would hold an edge better than his; the
shorter blade and better grip were also advantages. Still, the gore
would stick to the edge and dull it as if the blade were wrapped in
tape; it would also make hands and knives slippery.
After several arduous butcherings over a period of years, I bought him a
hunting knife that looked a little better than mine for the purpose.
He found it much better than his bread knife. Then I got myself a sort
of brass-knuckles knife. Like a box cutter, it was a specialized tool.
On one side it had a curved blade an inch long. On the other was a
shielded slitting blade, like a letter opener. These blades were very
controllable and the knife could not slip in my hand. It made
butchering quicker, easier, and safer.
Just when we got proficient, he lost interest. The herd grew and goats
began dying lingering deaths from one or more diseases related to
overgrazing. They bred freely, had no predators, and were extinct in
six years.
I had one subsequent opportunity to use my brass-knuckles knife. A
pullet died after running into an electric fence, apparently from a
heart attack. For speed, I skinned the bird instead of plucking. In a
matter of minutes the pieces were in a pot on the stove. I don't know
if you can bleed a chicken whose heart had stopped. Anyway, I didn't
try to bleed it, and that was the best boiled chicken I ever had. Maybe
it's true that bleeding a chicken ruins the taste.
Dwayne wrote:
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful
>>> spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the
>>> trigger and
>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front
>>> would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just
>>> bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail
>>> gun.
>>
>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how it
>> works goes in the wrong direction.
>>
>>
>> Rob
> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>
>
The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you would
have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken. In
reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely in
position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes okay,
the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering you with
blood.
Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they may
end up with missing fingers.
About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks safer,
and the person could better avoid spattering.
I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
spatter blood far.
E Z Peaces wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> E Z Peaces <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Dwayne wrote:
>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> 1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty
>>>>>> powerful spring inside the user would push a bolt into it until it
>>>>>> caught on the trigger and
>>>>>> place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the
>>>>>> front would be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the
>>>>>> gun just bouncing off the skull? either that or a early spring
>>>>>> version of a nail gun.
>>>>> Good guess! The first part is correct, but the description of how
>>>>> it works goes in the wrong direction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>> Now I am curious, I cant wait to see the answers.
>>>>
>>> The inventor says you hold the chicken by the legs. I guess you
>>> would have to cock the beheader and lay it down to grab the chicken.
>>> In reaching for a cocked beheader, you could lose a finger.
>>>
>>> With the chicken hanging by the legs, the neck may not be completely
>>> in position at the instant you pull the trigger. If that part goes
>>> okay, the beheaded chicken may spend the next minute or so spattering
>>> you with blood.
>>>
>>> Then you put the tool away. If you have any curious children, they
>>> may end up with missing fingers.
>>>
>>> About 20 years later somebody patented loppers to behead a chicken,
>>> which would be suspended by a hook around one foot. That looks
>>> safer, and the person could better avoid spattering.
>>>
>>> I wonder how old is the practice of putting a chicken into a funnel.
>>> This makes it easy to use a knife or other tool, and the bird can't
>>> spatter blood far.
>>
>> What's wrong with a hatchet and a tree-stump? Worked for us every
>> Sunday.
>>
>> scott
>
> It worked fine when I did it that way, but a chicken bent on revenge
> could get some blood on you, and you must aim well if you want the whole
> neck for soup.
>
> With a funnel and knife, there's a way to cut the brain to loosen the
> feathers.
Grandma did the deed using two spikes driven close together in the end
of a chopping block. She just pushed the little buggers head between
the spikes, yanked and flung. They'd run around and bleed out in a
minute or so. The worst part was dipping 'em in boiling water and
plucking 'em. The smell was almost enough to ruin your appetite for
fried chicken lunch - but not quite enough.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with the specifics of the first two items in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1453 Dont really know but my guess is that its a precision angle finder?
1454 looks a lot like a pencil sharpener maybe for those carpenters pencils?
1455 I'm thinking its maybe a farriers tool for removing horse shoes and
stones?
1456 I think this is for heating water the top compartment looks to have
enough volume for one cuppa? I would expect a pourer though?
1457 maybe a slaughter tool I would guess there is a pretty powerful spring
inside the user would push a bolt into it until it caught on the trigger and
place it against the animals head, maybe the extended bit at the front would
be so the user could place his foot on it to avoid the gun just bouncing off
the skull? either that or a early spring version of a nail gun.
1458 is almost definatly for digging cylinders out of the ground possibly in
clay soils, once it has gone as far as possible the long handle could be
used to get rid of the plug of clay/earth?