Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA. None of them carried any.
Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
at a quality price.
Ended up going to a little shoe store and paid a bit to much for a
quality Wolverene Durashock boot.Not much more than the chinese
Timberlands I might add.
Carharts are also getting heavy into chinese,pakastan and malasya. If
you look hard there are still some made in the USA.
Socks were no problem,made in the USA.
Duofolds long johns were assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
Hopefully I kept a few americans working a bit longer.The worst part
is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
work.
This is about work clothes,a little off topic or not.Just felt like
venting a bit after several hours of shopping for 1 pair of work
boots.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:52:50 -0700, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> > And I wonder what the Indians are saying about us. After all, they're
>> > the only TRUE Americans.
>> >
>>
>> No, the best you can say is that they are the first settlers.
>>
> Or the first ones whose ancestors survived :-).
>
> Here in Washington state there's a big controversy going over "Kennewick
> Man". His bones resemble no known "native" american tribe, but they're
> fighting to rebury his bones and deny science the right to study them.
> Some question their motives :-).
Some say Kennewick Man resembles Jean Luc Picard. Hmmmmm
-Doug
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:13:21 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I was asking a serious question, Kevin. It wasn't clear what yer
>> tryin' to say...and its still not clear.
>>
>> Are these folks really Mexicans?...Mexican citizens? Or are they of
>> Mexican descent?
>
>
> Real honest to goodness Mexicans from Mexico. There're literally tens of
>thousands of them here. I'll bet fifty dollars against a doughnut they don't
>all have green cards. I am not exagerating in the slightest degree. Some of
>the American sub-contractors are bringing them up here. They live twenty and
>thirty to a house. They've completely taken over the landscaping labor force
>with a strong foothold in food service, framing, drywall hanging, masonry
>and God only knows what else.
> Think about it like this, when those Mexican carpenters put me out of
>business, how about if me and my peers come to your town and do certified
>breast self-exams cheaper than you? Of course I'd have to to do a terrible
>exam to get it done faster so I can make six bucks an hour and my greedy
>boss can make 18 or 20. You're either gonna have to cheapen your breast
>exams or start doing something else. Of course you may be doing it cheaper
>already.
> Did I make my point yet? Maybe it's time for me to take a trip down to
>tiajuana and get me a busload of trim laborers. Give them a bunch of saws
>without guards and nail guns without the safety mechanism put them up in a
>two-bedroom slum somewhere and put em to work. Seems to be working for some
>folks.
> This has all happened in the space of about seven years. Like I said I have
>nothing personal against these guys (the mexicans. I have plenty against
>their "bosses") they're hard working sob's. I just wish they'd go work hard
>someplace else.
>
> Kevin
>
Thanks for the explanation, Kevin. That adds a lot of light to the
problem yer havin'.
We don't have nearly the problem yer havin' here in the Mideast.
I guess I don't understand how our country can let all this happen.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:47:14 -0400, Trent© <[email protected]>
pixelated:
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:56:05 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I didn't mean to imply that Mexicans are the only ones doing shoddy work. I
>Are these folks really Mexicans?...Mexican citizens? Or are they of
>Mexican descent?
DFTFT, Trent.
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It's the sole. Problem is my feet, not the boots. I have somewhat unusual
feet.
"Dan G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:sjHkb.20499$iq3.7356@okepread01...
>
> I don't know if the problem is stiff leather or Your feet not doing well
> with the sole system. If it is stiff leather on any good boot, here is
> the best solution.
>
> Make sure that it will not be freezing the next day. Fill the new boots
> with warm water; warm seems to soak into the leather better. Leave the
> water in overnight. If there is still water in them in the morning,
> dump it out. Use the thickness of socks that you will wear with the
> boots. Put 'em on and wear them till they're dry. Apply neatsfoot oil,
> snow seal, or whatever boot protection you prefer. Best fitting boots
> you'll ever experience.
>
> ############
> Keep the whole world singing. . .
> Dan G
> (remove the 7)
>
>
>
> Greg O wrote:
> > "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:IQpkb.823225$uu5.145851@sccrnsc04...
> >> Got a pair. Size 11e. Feel great at first but after numerous
> >> attempts, I can't wear them for more than two hours before my feet
> >> hurt so bad that I have to change. $165.00 shot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > I wore nothing but Redwings for work 20+ years ago. Then a job change
> > got me back into boots again. I tried hiking boots, but they would
> > fall apart after about 6 months or so, no mater what brand I bought.
> > Back to Redwing I went. I was surprised to see boots that had China
> > labels on them, but I did find a pair I liked that were 100% made in
> > USA. Those suckers took a week of 10 hour days to break in. I did not
> > think I was going to live through it! But now they are as comfortable
> > as any boot I have owned.
> > Greg
>
>
[email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Teej" wrote in message
> >
> > <rant snipped>
> >
> another rant snipped
>
> It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
> a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
> a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> they?
>
> BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> Something or Other, would you?
>
> -Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
<snipper snipped>
Another snipper snipped:
Ummm Josh I beleive I said china not texas. I do beleive theres a bit
of a differance. I`d appreciate you not putting words in that I never
said.
And yes I buy local and american,should be easy to see with the post
I made.
Maybe a reading class for adults is in order.
Another snipper snipped=)
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:20:22 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have no problem with Texas vs Cleveland, it's Cleveland vs China that
>> bothers me.
>
>Then lobbying hard for a 25+% US tax break on that foreign profit.I
>believe US corps going overseas for cheap labor and lax environmental
>laws have done more to harm this country in the last 20 years than
>anyone ever could have foreseen. I fear for the future of the US as a
>solid and stable nation as it's ideals, technology and resources are
>sold to the lowest bidder.
>
>Not too long ago, it was said that the US was headed for a service
>economy - in just a few short years we now see that major portions of
>that business, like the tech, phone and catalog businesses, are heading
>to India for the cheap labor.
>
>There seems to be no sense of community any longer. Support your
>neighbor because it's good for you. Support your state because it's good
>for your neighbor and you. Support your country because it's good for
>your state, your neighbor and for you.
Support your neighbor countries...because its good for the world.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
Similar thread on employee/employer highlights the real problem - we want it
all, from "environment," where we want both the tree and the paper, through
"entitlement," where we want benefit without payment. Boils quickly down to
no responsibility. Even the religious want "cafeteria style," where they
chose what commandment to keep and what to break. Oh well, no way of
placating whiners. The responsible will just have to support them and be
vilified for it same as always.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mea culpa.
> He's there now. I should have plonked him after the first post. My
apologies
> to the group.
"Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Teej" wrote in message
>
> <rant snipped>
>
> As consumers, we have been told to keep Americans working and buy
> American. At the same time we are told this, companies are picking up
> and moving overseas or across the border. The more they move and put
> Americans out of jobs, the more is published about keep buying American.
> It's corporate greed.
>
> I live outside a city that used to be called the Rubber Capital of the
> World. Akron, Ohio. It is nothing like the boom times, a depressed area
> with very few blue collar jobs that pay a livable wage. Tire plants
> gone.
>
> South of Akron is HQ for Hoover Corp. They are shutting down production
> in Canton, where workers were making in the $18-22 per hr, moving
> production to Texas and Mexico, where workers will make between
> something like $11-13 per hr in Texas, and across the border $2.50 per
> DAY.
>
> East of Akron was Lordstown GM plant, so much for those days.
>
> North of Akron in Cleveland area, Ford Motor in Northfield and Parma,
> Parma jobs are gone soon.
>
> Steel Plants in Youngstown, Cleveland, Canton gone.
>
> Along with this was the trucking companies that used to line the
> highways, with high paying jobs all around. Gone
>
> When we as consumers tell the companies HQed in the U.S.A. but
> manufacturer more across our borders and overseas, that we had enough
> and to shut them all down. We will see change, there are investors
> knocking on the door that want to see this happen. We will survive.
>
> You may not remember the days when GM blamed cheap Japanese steel on
> their bodies rusting out, it was GM that specified the make up of steel,
> ripping off the consumer and passing the blame on to Japan.
>
> Its past time to send a message to big business and tell them we've had
> enough, frankly I don't care which Nationality/Country owns U.S. based
> companies, surely they will treat our own better than we have seen.
>
> Time to stop buying U.S. made products, that corporate greed shuns the
> worker and their families. They keep just a handful of jobs within the
> U.S. so we as consumers have this guilt feeling if we don't buy their
> product. This is not what the good ole U.S. of A is about.
>
That's not all. Come down to Cincinnati. All the restaraunt, landscaping
and home building is being taken over by Mexicans and Russians. Mostly
Mexicans. Now I don't have anything against these people but they sure as
hell are driving my wages as well as the general work ethic down. I've been
working in a particular sub-division where probably fifteen homes are being
framed at any given time. Not a single American crew is framing houses
there!
Now I'm doing interior trim in a Mex-framed home. The builder told me a
"good" Amerian framer (Who I have trimmed behind many times and I know does
good work) wanted approx. $10,000.00 more to frame the house than what he
got it framed for.. I've spent about 40 hours fixing things wrong with the
framing just so I could do my job. For example: most of the rough door
openings were 3/4" out of plumb. Some of these were in both directions. The
poplar door jambs were 3/4" thickness instead of 5/8" like the typical pine
jambs. Made hanging doors a bitch. Behind all this shoddy work is some
greedy-assed American who is paying these guys five or six bucks an hour and
raking in the cash. Sorry sons of bitches (you know who you are).
Think about this. If the door openings are 3/4" out of plumb over 7' then
the 9' walls must be an inch to an inch and a quarter out. Of course people
don't see all that. They just wanna know why my window casing is a half inch
closer to the wall at the top that it is at the bottom.
When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
Kevin
I didn't mean to imply that Mexicans are the only ones doing shoddy work. I
know some "good ole' boys" who are doing just as badly. My point is, how am
I going to get the price I need just to get by, when these guys will do it
cheaper. With practice they're gonna get better too. I won't be surprised to
see a few Mex builders very soon. Right now I'm skeptical about how I'm
gonna continue to work in this trade. It's all I know and I'm too old to
wanna start from scratch. Oh, Trent. If they were Spanish-American wouldn't
they speak a bit of English? Once again, I have nothing against these folks
but I have nothing nice to say for the "American" who's making a killing by
exploiting their labor and possibly running guys like me out of business.
Kevin
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mexicans aren't the only ones building that way. I worked with a
> "carpenter" who was a good ole USA white boy and his practices were
> abomidable. Why bother with squaring & plumbing a window in the
> opening, the inspector don't check. Tyvek don't need no stinkin' seam
> tape - it's just decoration. Lots of other similar practices. This
> goes way beyond the next crew fixing the mistakes of the previous -
> it's downright crappy "work" and an awful philosphy (the almighty
> dollar...).
>
> Renata
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:36:47 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> --snip--
> > Now I'm doing interior trim in a Mex-framed home. The builder told me a
> >"good" Amerian framer (Who I have trimmed behind many times and I know
does
> >good work) wanted approx. $10,000.00 more to frame the house than what he
> >got it framed for.. I've spent about 40 hours fixing things wrong with
the
> >framing just so I could do my job. For example: most of the rough door
> >openings were 3/4" out of plumb. Some of these were in both directions.
The
> >poplar door jambs were 3/4" thickness instead of 5/8" like the typical
pine
> >jambs. Made hanging doors a bitch. Behind all this shoddy work is some
> >greedy-assed American who is paying these guys five or six bucks an hour
and
> >raking in the cash. Sorry sons of bitches (you know who you are).
> > Think about this. If the door openings are 3/4" out of plumb over 7'
then
> >the 9' walls must be an inch to an inch and a quarter out. Of course
people
> >don't see all that. They just wanna know why my window casing is a half
inch
> >closer to the wall at the top that it is at the bottom.
> > When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
> >the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
>
> smart, not dumb for email
> I was asking a serious question, Kevin. It wasn't clear what yer
> tryin' to say...and its still not clear.
>
> Are these folks really Mexicans?...Mexican citizens? Or are they of
> Mexican descent?
Real honest to goodness Mexicans from Mexico. There're literally tens of
thousands of them here. I'll bet fifty dollars against a doughnut they don't
all have green cards. I am not exagerating in the slightest degree. Some of
the American sub-contractors are bringing them up here. They live twenty and
thirty to a house. They've completely taken over the landscaping labor force
with a strong foothold in food service, framing, drywall hanging, masonry
and God only knows what else.
Think about it like this, when those Mexican carpenters put me out of
business, how about if me and my peers come to your town and do certified
breast self-exams cheaper than you? Of course I'd have to to do a terrible
exam to get it done faster so I can make six bucks an hour and my greedy
boss can make 18 or 20. You're either gonna have to cheapen your breast
exams or start doing something else. Of course you may be doing it cheaper
already.
Did I make my point yet? Maybe it's time for me to take a trip down to
tiajuana and get me a busload of trim laborers. Give them a bunch of saws
without guards and nail guns without the safety mechanism put them up in a
two-bedroom slum somewhere and put em to work. Seems to be working for some
folks.
This has all happened in the space of about seven years. Like I said I have
nothing personal against these guys (the mexicans. I have plenty against
their "bosses") they're hard working sob's. I just wish they'd go work hard
someplace else.
Kevin
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:31:05 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 17 Oct 2003 18:10:28 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
>
>>Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
>>quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA.
>
>I have a pair of "Smith's American" work boots.
>
>Deep inside, on the tongue, it says "Made in China". <G>
>
>Good luck in the search!
>
>Barry
They should quit tagging products in this way.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:47:53 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:52:50 -0700, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>> > And I wonder what the Indians are saying about us. After all, they're
>>> > the only TRUE Americans.
>>> >
>>>
>>> No, the best you can say is that they are the first settlers.
>>>
>> Or the first ones whose ancestors survived :-).
>>
>> Here in Washington state there's a big controversy going over "Kennewick
>> Man". His bones resemble no known "native" american tribe, but they're
>> fighting to rebury his bones and deny science the right to study them.
>> Some question their motives :-).
>
>Some say Kennewick Man resembles Jean Luc Picard. Hmmmmm
>
>-Doug
I heard Mick Jagger. lol
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
I wore Georgia boots for years. The first time I tried a pair of them they
were as perfect as I had ever found. Comfortable from the first day and just
got beter. Over the years, the price remained the same. Each new pair was
harder to break in. The last pair I owned, I could not break them in. Just
couldn't wear them. The price had stayed the same by reducing quality to the
point that they were unwearable.
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IQpkb.823225$uu5.145851@sccrnsc04...
> > Got a pair. Size 11e. Feel great at first but after numerous attempts, I
> > can't wear them for more than two hours before my feet hurt so bad that
I
> > have to change. $165.00 shot.
> >
> >
> >
> I wore nothing but Redwings for work 20+ years ago. Then a job change got
me
> back into boots again. I tried hiking boots, but they would fall apart
after
> about 6 months or so, no mater what brand I bought. Back to Redwing I
went.
> I was surprised to see boots that had China labels on them, but I did find
a
> pair I liked that were 100% made in USA. Those suckers took a week of 10
> hour days to break in. I did not think I was going to live through it! But
> now they are as comfortable as any boot I have owned.
> Greg
>
>
In article <bush1helpedkilljfk-9D1121.10193518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
>> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
>
>Reinserted
You REALLY need to remember to take your medicine EVERY day.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:37:38 -0400, Renata <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Mexicans aren't the only ones building that way. I worked with a
> >"carpenter" who was a good ole USA white boy and his practices were
> >abomidable. Why bother with squaring & plumbing a window in the
> >opening, the inspector don't check. Tyvek don't need no stinkin' seam
> >tape - it's just decoration. Lots of other similar practices. This
> >goes way beyond the next crew fixing the mistakes of the previous -
> >it's downright crappy "work" and an awful philosphy (the almighty
> >dollar...).
>
> And I wonder what the Indians are saying about us. After all, they're
> the only TRUE Americans.
>
No, the best you can say is that they are the first settlers.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:13:48 -0500, "Phil Mitchell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
More than likely, SOMETHING in the manufacturing process...raw
materials, machinery, etc...is made in some other country.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
In article <[email protected]>, jake@di\/ersify.com wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:32:05 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
><[email protected]> pixelated:
>
>>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:15:35 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> DFTFT, Trent.
>
>Next time I'll just PYIMFF (filter you, Trent.)
Put You In My Filter File?
Put You In My ... Filter?
>
>
>>TIAFT, Lassa.
>
><bite> Ok, what does TIAFT stand for?
>
My guess is, This Isn't A ... Troll.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
On 18 Oct 2003 17:48:39 -0700, [email protected] (JOAT) Crawled
out of the shop and said. . .:
>To hell with foreign-made products. Down with the Chinks, Japs, Gooks,
>Dot-heads, Rag-heads, Eurotrash, and Canadian assholes! Buy American
>USA-made only!
>
>
>"Life aint nothin' but twinks and chinks!" (Sexy gay young men and
>Chinese food!) -JOAT (Jerk-Off All Twinks)
Dayum JOAT...dont hold back,,,let us know how ya feel!
hehe
"Teej" wrote in message
<rant snipped>
As consumers, we have been told to keep Americans working and buy
American. At the same time we are told this, companies are picking up
and moving overseas or across the border. The more they move and put
Americans out of jobs, the more is published about keep buying American.
It's corporate greed.
I live outside a city that used to be called the Rubber Capital of the
World. Akron, Ohio. It is nothing like the boom times, a depressed area
with very few blue collar jobs that pay a livable wage. Tire plants
gone.
South of Akron is HQ for Hoover Corp. They are shutting down production
in Canton, where workers were making in the $18-22 per hr, moving
production to Texas and Mexico, where workers will make between
something like $11-13 per hr in Texas, and across the border $2.50 per
DAY.
East of Akron was Lordstown GM plant, so much for those days.
North of Akron in Cleveland area, Ford Motor in Northfield and Parma,
Parma jobs are gone soon.
Steel Plants in Youngstown, Cleveland, Canton gone.
Along with this was the trucking companies that used to line the
highways, with high paying jobs all around. Gone
When we as consumers tell the companies HQed in the U.S.A. but
manufacturer more across our borders and overseas, that we had enough
and to shut them all down. We will see change, there are investors
knocking on the door that want to see this happen. We will survive.
You may not remember the days when GM blamed cheap Japanese steel on
their bodies rusting out, it was GM that specified the make up of steel,
ripping off the consumer and passing the blame on to Japan.
Its past time to send a message to big business and tell them we've had
enough, frankly I don't care which Nationality/Country owns U.S. based
companies, surely they will treat our own better than we have seen.
Time to stop buying U.S. made products, that corporate greed shuns the
worker and their families. They keep just a handful of jobs within the
U.S. so we as consumers have this guilt feeling if we don't buy their
product. This is not what the good ole U.S. of A is about.
Got a pair. Size 11e. Feel great at first but after numerous attempts, I
can't wear them for more than two hours before my feet hurt so bad that I
have to change. $165.00 shot.
"Phil Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Iankb.47160$%[email protected]...
> Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
"Teej" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
> quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA. None of them carried any.
> Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
> at a quality price.
> Ended up going to a little shoe store and paid a bit to much for a
> quality Wolverene Durashock boot.Not much more than the chinese
> Timberlands I might add.
>
> Carharts are also getting heavy into chinese,pakastan and malasya. If
> you look hard there are still some made in the USA.
>
> Socks were no problem,made in the USA.
>
> Duofolds long johns were assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
> Hopefully I kept a few americans working a bit longer.The worst part
> is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
> to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
> work.
>
> This is about work clothes,a little off topic or not.Just felt like
> venting a bit after several hours of shopping for 1 pair of work
> boots.
Take a look at this site
http://www.usstuff.com/shoes.htm
"Teej" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
> quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA. None of them carried any.
> Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
> at a quality price.
> Ended up going to a little shoe store and paid a bit to much for a
> quality Wolverene Durashock boot.Not much more than the chinese
> Timberlands I might add.
>
> Carharts are also getting heavy into chinese,pakastan and malasya. If
> you look hard there are still some made in the USA.
>
> Socks were no problem,made in the USA.
>
> Duofolds long johns were assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
> Hopefully I kept a few americans working a bit longer.The worst part
> is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
> to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
> work.
>
> This is about work clothes,a little off topic or not.Just felt like
> venting a bit after several hours of shopping for 1 pair of work
> boots.
On 18-Oct-2003, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> You apparently believe that a corporation (or more acccurately its
> owners) have no obligation to the community and nation that allowed them
> to prosper in the first place. I don't agree.
You got it. Companies are (supposed to be) a part of our social environment.
We don't work just for money - we work because we are (supposed to be) doing
something useful. However, shifting real work to the cheapest labour and
replacing those jobs with paper pushing, hamburger flipping and lawyering
doesn't maintain the "useful work" part of the equation.
Beggar your neighbour economics only works in the short run.
Mike
I believe Danner boots are still made in the USA. They may be a
northwest product only.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
> quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA. None of them carried any.
> Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
> at a quality price.
> Ended up going to a little shoe store and paid a bit to much for a
> quality Wolverene Durashock boot.Not much more than the chinese
> Timberlands I might add.
>
> Carharts are also getting heavy into chinese,pakastan and malasya. If
> you look hard there are still some made in the USA.
>
> Socks were no problem,made in the USA.
>
> Duofolds long johns were assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
> Hopefully I kept a few americans working a bit longer.The worst part
> is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
> to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
> work.
>
> This is about work clothes,a little off topic or not.Just felt like
> venting a bit after several hours of shopping for 1 pair of work
> boots.
>
In article <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
[mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped]
Dude! You forgot to take your medicine this morning.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Comments inserted
"Phil Crow" wrote in message
> It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2.
Never shopped Walmart, and never will. Wal Mart is another prime
example of proven mistreatment of employees, but people will shop there
and cry buy American. FYI, I do buy a local brand of milk, never heard
of Tofts but probably would buy it if it were local.
> If a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job
that
> a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> they?
Think you missed the point. The Texas workers for Hoover will be out of
a job next, soon as Hoover gets situated across the border.
The _average_ shareholder is being hoodwinked. Let's use Goodyear as an
example, share is worth something like $2, where as it was up to $70. I
don't see the brass taking a paycut, but put a new CEO in there for a
couple million a year, the other ones step down drawing their salaries
for 5 years. Who is taking the beating here? It's really not
complicated to figure it out. The company shows a loss, not profit.
Reorganize etc and keep doing it, been going on for years, they have the
smartest lawyers money can buy. There are loop holes that you can keep
operating in the red, you just have to hire the biggest guns out there
to do it.
>
> BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> Something or Other, would you?
No, I am an owner of a building company, and I do use union help which
is required on certain jobs. You have something against Unions?
You can make money being a business owner, the workers can make money.
You just don't rape your workers and demand more.
I've been in manufacturing for most of my working life. Same situation here.
"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I won't be surprised to
> see a few Mex builders very soon. Right now I'm skeptical about how I'm
> gonna continue to work in this trade.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> I didn't mean to imply that Mexicans are the only ones doing shoddy work. I
> know some "good ole' boys" who are doing just as badly. My point is, how am
> I going to get the price I need just to get by, when these guys will do it
> cheaper. With practice they're gonna get better too. I won't be surprised to
> see a few Mex builders very soon. Right now I'm skeptical about how I'm
> gonna continue to work in this trade. It's all I know and I'm too old to
> wanna start from scratch. Oh, Trent. If they were Spanish-American wouldn't
> they speak a bit of English? Once again, I have nothing against these folks
> but I have nothing nice to say for the "American" who's making a killing by
> exploiting their labor and possibly running guys like me out of business.
>
> Kevin
Do you bid your jobs by the job or the hour? It seems like you can
help stop this lunacy by charging the builder for the hours that you
have to spend cleaning up the mess from the previous crew. If you bill
for "cleanup" charges because you reasonably expect a certain tolerance
in the input to your job, the builder stops making a killing on profits.
The people you speak of won't get better unless someone demands that
they get better and teaches them.
> "Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mexicans aren't the only ones building that way. I worked with a
> > "carpenter" who was a good ole USA white boy and his practices were
> > abomidable. Why bother with squaring & plumbing a window in the
> > opening, the inspector don't check. Tyvek don't need no stinkin' seam
> > tape - it's just decoration. Lots of other similar practices. This
> > goes way beyond the next crew fixing the mistakes of the previous -
> > it's downright crappy "work" and an awful philosphy (the almighty
> > dollar...).
> >
> > Renata
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:36:47 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > --snip--
> > > Now I'm doing interior trim in a Mex-framed home. The builder told me a
> > >"good" Amerian framer (Who I have trimmed behind many times and I know
> does
> > >good work) wanted approx. $10,000.00 more to frame the house than what he
> > >got it framed for.. I've spent about 40 hours fixing things wrong with
> the
> > >framing just so I could do my job. For example: most of the rough door
> > >openings were 3/4" out of plumb. Some of these were in both directions.
> The
> > >poplar door jambs were 3/4" thickness instead of 5/8" like the typical
> pine
> > >jambs. Made hanging doors a bitch. Behind all this shoddy work is some
> > >greedy-assed American who is paying these guys five or six bucks an hour
> and
> > >raking in the cash. Sorry sons of bitches (you know who you are).
> > > Think about this. If the door openings are 3/4" out of plumb over 7'
> then
> > >the 9' walls must be an inch to an inch and a quarter out. Of course
> people
> > >don't see all that. They just wanna know why my window casing is a half
> inch
> > >closer to the wall at the top that it is at the bottom.
> > > When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
> > >the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> >
> > smart, not dumb for email
>
>
>
On 17 Oct 2003 18:10:28 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
>Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
>quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA.
I have a pair of "Smith's American" work boots.
Deep inside, on the tongue, it says "Made in China". <G>
Good luck in the search!
Barry
On 17 Oct 2003 18:10:28 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
>Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
>at a quality price.
What happened to the original New Hampshire (?) Timberlands ? I have
a pair of those that are ten years old; I paid a load of money for
them and I'd happily replace them with the same. Are they still made,
or are all Timberlands made in China ?
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
> a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
> a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> they?
>
I have no problem with Texas vs Cleveland, it's Cleveland vs China that
bothers me.
You apparently believe that a corporation (or more acccurately its
owners) have no obligation to the community and nation that allowed them
to prosper in the first place. I don't agree.
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> > And I wonder what the Indians are saying about us. After all, they're
> > the only TRUE Americans.
> >
>
> No, the best you can say is that they are the first settlers.
>
Or the first ones whose ancestors survived :-).
Here in Washington state there's a big controversy going over "Kennewick
Man". His bones resemble no known "native" american tribe, but they're
fighting to rebury his bones and deny science the right to study them.
Some question their motives :-).
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:56:05 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't mean to imply that Mexicans are the only ones doing shoddy work. I
>know some "good ole' boys" who are doing just as badly. My point is, how am
>I going to get the price I need just to get by, when these guys will do it
>cheaper. With practice they're gonna get better too. I won't be surprised to
>see a few Mex builders very soon. Right now I'm skeptical about how I'm
>gonna continue to work in this trade. It's all I know and I'm too old to
>wanna start from scratch. Oh, Trent. If they were Spanish-American wouldn't
>they speak a bit of English? Once again, I have nothing against these folks
>but I have nothing nice to say for the "American" who's making a killing by
>exploiting their labor and possibly running guys like me out of business.
I was asking a serious question, Kevin. It wasn't clear what yer
tryin' to say...and its still not clear.
Are these folks really Mexicans?...Mexican citizens? Or are they of
Mexican descent?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote:
> "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Teej" wrote in message
> >
> > <rant snipped>
> >
> another rant snipped
>
> It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
> a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
> a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> they?
>
> BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> Something or Other, would you?
>
> -Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
Running a plane down a board, you have to watch out in case the grain
changes, and come at it from the other end.
The legal fiction of "corporation" exists under reviewable public
charter that is revokable.
America's corporate culture is by and large a feudal/fascist false-elite
now, to which the 80% mechanics/artisans of the working/middleclass are
a real danger.
Those who think the Wall Street "executive pay" crimes are being
committed in a vacuum are whistling past the graveyard.
"Business leaders" supporting politicians signing off on the provable
treason of the last four decades and profitting from the Organized Crime
acquisition of the Fortune 500 and beyond are getting the "Big Bucks" to
keep the game going.
It isn't zero-sum in Economics, but when we're being saddled with the
debt-interest of the false and unconstitutional money system JFK was
killed for taking off our necks - do a google on "U.S.Notes"(the Fed
foisted off on America by the corrupt bankers of that certain
"corporation" Jefferson referred to as "the real Anti-Christ," that
happens to have the largest cashflow in history)... besides his having
ordered us out the that largest corporation's slave fiefdom - that same
"corporation" whose "intervention" with Lincoln effectively reversed the
orders to Grant to let the South up easy; add to that the Mob-front
"executives'" culture manipulating compensation boards, ledgers, and
stock options to rip off shareholders, local communities, and the
nation, of hundreds of billions of dollars through off-shoring,
encouragement of illegal (Hispanic Roman Catholic)immigration to
displace Civil Rights-era enfranchised Americans (get a copy of the
RCC's "National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry" to encourage the
blessing of "illegados" in the U.S., get them legal aid, naturalized,
and registered to vote) from "standing on their hind legs," and
continued support of the crypto-fascist anti-individual dishonest
bipartisan lie called the government...economics suffers.
Jefferson said we needed protection for our small manufacturers, and he
was smart enough to author the Declaration of Independence.
What a "coincidence" that NAFTA was rammed down our throats to the
benefit of the Roman Catholic slave plantation to the south called
Mexico by the same "president" who was in on the kill at Dallas to put
us in harm's way for the 5% Roman Catholic slave regime of S.Vietnam
that owned 95% of that nation's wealth...and whose father, Prescott,
just happened to be a member of the Vatican-running Knights of Malta and
provided the early funding for the Nazi Party to take over Europe.
Ever wonder why it's illegal to publish or purchase Hitler's "blue
print," "Mein Kampf," in Germany? He spells out that he's working for
the Roman Catholic Church and its titled aristocracy...that same
group...the Knights of Malta...whose members were four of the first
seven heads of the CIA! That same CIA determined by a Federal District
Court jury, of us, of assassinating John F. Kennedy.
$11...$22...get real, slave.
America is being stolen.
Mechanics built it...now they have to wrest it back out of the grasp of
Babylon. The Army will help...until it's entirely Hispanic, Roman
Catholic greencarders.
Wake UP.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article
> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
Reinserted
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote:
>
> > "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Teej" wrote in message
> > >
> > > <rant snipped>
> > >
> > another rant snipped
> >
> > It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> > for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
> > a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
> > a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> > guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> > company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> > they?
> >
> > BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> > Something or Other, would you?
> >
> > -Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
>
> Running a plane down a board, you have to watch out in case the grain
> changes, and come at it from the other end.
>
> The legal fiction of "corporation" exists under reviewable public
> charter that is revokable.
>
> America's corporate culture is by and large a feudal/fascist false-elite
> now, to which the 80% mechanics/artisans of the working/middleclass are
> a real danger.
>
> Those who think the Wall Street "executive pay" crimes are being
> committed in a vacuum are whistling past the graveyard.
>
> "Business leaders" supporting politicians signing off on the provable
> treason of the last four decades and profitting from the Organized Crime
> acquisition of the Fortune 500 and beyond are getting the "Big Bucks" to
> keep the game going.
>
> It isn't zero-sum in Economics, but when we're being saddled with the
> debt-interest of the false and unconstitutional money system JFK was
> killed for taking off our necks - do a google on "U.S.Notes"(the Fed
> foisted off on America by the corrupt bankers of that certain
> "corporation" Jefferson referred to as "the real Anti-Christ," that
> happens to have the largest cashflow in history)... besides his having
> ordered us out the that largest corporation's slave fiefdom - that same
> "corporation" whose "intervention" with Lincoln effectively reversed the
> orders to Grant to let the South up easy; add to that the Mob-front
> "executives'" culture manipulating compensation boards, ledgers, and
> stock options to rip off shareholders, local communities, and the
> nation, of hundreds of billions of dollars through off-shoring,
> encouragement of illegal (Hispanic Roman Catholic)immigration to
> displace Civil Rights-era enfranchised Americans (get a copy of the
> RCC's "National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry" to encourage the
> blessing of "illegados" in the U.S., get them legal aid, naturalized,
> and registered to vote) from "standing on their hind legs," and
> continued support of the crypto-fascist anti-individual dishonest
> bipartisan lie called the government...economics suffers.
>
> Jefferson said we needed protection for our small manufacturers, and he
> was smart enough to author the Declaration of Independence.
>
> What a "coincidence" that NAFTA was rammed down our throats to the
> benefit of the Roman Catholic slave plantation to the south called
> Mexico by the same "president" who was in on the kill at Dallas to put
> us in harm's way for the 5% Roman Catholic slave regime of S.Vietnam
> that owned 95% of that nation's wealth...and whose father, Prescott,
> just happened to be a member of the Vatican-running Knights of Malta and
> provided the early funding for the Nazi Party to take over Europe.
>
> Ever wonder why it's illegal to publish or purchase Hitler's "blue
> print," "Mein Kampf," in Germany? He spells out that he's working for
> the Roman Catholic Church and its titled aristocracy...that same
> group...the Knights of Malta...whose members were four of the first
> seven heads of the CIA! That same CIA determined by a Federal District
> Court jury, of us, of assassinating John F. Kennedy.
>
> $11...$22...get real, slave.
>
> America is being stolen.
>
> Mechanics built it...now they have to wrest it back out of the grasp of
> Babylon. The Army will help...until it's entirely Hispanic, Roman
> Catholic greencarders.
>
> Wake UP.]
>
> Dude! You forgot to take your medicine this morning.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Rather that your fascistic, pro-pedophile priesthood, ad hominem,
wouldn't a line-by-line refutation be more effective when the audience
is made up of intelligent Americans, and others? Try to get beyond your
own victimization...it isn't the American norm and you, and your
descendants, can recover.
A craftsman can repair his own mistakes...and anybody else's, too.
In article <[email protected]>,
alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><bush1helpedkilljfk-9D1121.10193518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
> >Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>In article <[email protected]>,
> >> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
> >>> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
> >>
> >>Reinserted
> >
> >You REALLY need to remember to take your medicine EVERY day.
>
> Are you just TRYING to tweak this idiot to see nom many times he will
> repost his crap? <g>
>
> Kill files are good.
Ad hominem rather than reason from...a Uniate papist - just like Stalin?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article
> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9D1121.10193518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
> >> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
> >
> >Reinserted
>
> You REALLY need to remember to take your medicine EVERY day.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
You need to know what that priest did to you and your family isn't your
fault.
P.S. It's a Pro-America rant.
Reinserted
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote:
>
> > "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Teej" wrote in message
> > >
> > > <rant snipped>
> > >
> > another rant snipped
> >
> > It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
> > for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
> > a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
> > a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> > guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
> > company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
> > they?
> >
> > BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> > Something or Other, would you?
> >
> > -Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
>
> Running a plane down a board, you have to watch out in case the grain
> changes, and come at it from the other end.
>
> The legal fiction of "corporation" exists under reviewable public
> charter that is revokable.
>
> America's corporate culture is by and large a feudal/fascist false-elite
> now, to which the 80% mechanics/artisans of the working/middleclass are
> a real danger.
>
> Those who think the Wall Street "executive pay" crimes are being
> committed in a vacuum are whistling past the graveyard.
>
> "Business leaders" supporting politicians signing off on the provable
> treason of the last four decades and profitting from the Organized Crime
> acquisition of the Fortune 500 and beyond are getting the "Big Bucks" to
> keep the game going.
>
> It isn't zero-sum in Economics, but when we're being saddled with the
> debt-interest of the false and unconstitutional money system JFK was
> killed for taking off our necks - do a google on "U.S.Notes"(the Fed
> foisted off on America by the corrupt bankers of that certain
> "corporation" Jefferson referred to as "the real Anti-Christ," that
> happens to have the largest cashflow in history)... besides his having
> ordered us out the that largest corporation's slave fiefdom - that same
> "corporation" whose "intervention" with Lincoln effectively reversed the
> orders to Grant to let the South up easy; add to that the Mob-front
> "executives'" culture manipulating compensation boards, ledgers, and
> stock options to rip off shareholders, local communities, and the
> nation, of hundreds of billions of dollars through off-shoring,
> encouragement of illegal (Hispanic Roman Catholic)immigration to
> displace Civil Rights-era enfranchised Americans (get a copy of the
> RCC's "National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry" to encourage the
> blessing of "illegados" in the U.S., get them legal aid, naturalized,
> and registered to vote) from "standing on their hind legs," and
> continued support of the crypto-fascist anti-individual dishonest
> bipartisan lie called the government...economics suffers.
>
> Jefferson said we needed protection for our small manufacturers, and he
> was smart enough to author the Declaration of Independence.
>
> What a "coincidence" that NAFTA was rammed down our throats to the
> benefit of the Roman Catholic slave plantation to the south called
> Mexico by the same "president" who was in on the kill at Dallas to put
> us in harm's way for the 5% Roman Catholic slave regime of S.Vietnam
> that owned 95% of that nation's wealth...and whose father, Prescott,
> just happened to be a member of the Vatican-running Knights of Malta and
> provided the early funding for the Nazi Party to take over Europe.
>
> Ever wonder why it's illegal to publish or purchase Hitler's "blue
> print," "Mein Kampf," in Germany? He spells out that he's working for
> the Roman Catholic Church and its titled aristocracy...that same
> group...the Knights of Malta...whose members were four of the first
> seven heads of the CIA! That same CIA determined by a Federal District
> Court jury, of us, of assassinating John F. Kennedy.
>
> $11...$22...get real, slave.
>
> America is being stolen.
>
> Mechanics built it...now they have to wrest it back out of the grasp of
> Babylon. The Army will help...until it's entirely Hispanic, Roman
> Catholic greencarders.
>
> Wake UP.]
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:32:05 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
<[email protected]> pixelated:
>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:15:35 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> DFTFT, Trent.
Next time I'll just PYIMFF (filter you, Trent.)
>TIAFT, Lassa.
<bite> Ok, what does TIAFT stand for?
----
- Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? -
http://diversify.com Web Applications
"Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Teej" wrote in message
>
> <rant snipped>
>
another rant snipped
It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
they?
BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
Something or Other, would you?
-Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:27:29 -0500, Traves W. Coppock
<newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote:
>On 18 Oct 2003 17:48:39 -0700, [email protected] (JOAT) Crawled
>out of the shop and said. . .:
>
>>To hell with foreign-made products. Down with the Chinks, Japs, Gooks,
>>Dot-heads, Rag-heads, Eurotrash, and Canadian assholes! Buy American
>>USA-made only!
>>
>>
>>"Life aint nothin' but twinks and chinks!" (Sexy gay young men and
>>Chinese food!) -JOAT (Jerk-Off All Twinks)
>
>
>
>Dayum JOAT...dont hold back,,,let us know how ya feel!
>
>hehe
that was not JOAT. just another twit for the twit file. skeez
On 17 Oct 2003 18:10:28 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) Crawled out of
the shop and said. . .:
>Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
>quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA.
try here
http://www.lacrosse-outdoors.com/
100% made in USA
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:43:03 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In 1970 I bought a "genuine African safari hat" in Ethiopia. It had a tag in
>it that said "made in England". :)
Around 1973, I watched someone drag a large (and very ugly, but this
was the '70s) vase back from Romania. Handing it down the stairs of
the coach, back home in England, it was turned upside down for the
first time - revealing the "Made in Birmingham" mark.
Seems that Romania always had a big trade with Brum. The local word
for doorlock is "yahle", a corruption of the well-known Midlands firm
"Yale".
--
The revolution will not be merchandised
In article <[email protected]>, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>In article
> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9D1121.10193518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, Righteous
> Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
>>>> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
>>>
>>>Reinserted
>>
>>You REALLY need to remember to take your medicine EVERY day.
>
>Are you just TRYING to tweak this idiot to see nom many times he will
>repost his crap? <g>
Mea culpa.
>
>Kill files are good.
He's there now. I should have plonked him after the first post. My apologies
to the group.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
All with the blessing of the government, the best politicians money can buy.
"Teej" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
The worst part
> is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
> to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
> work.
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>In article <bush1helpedkilljfk-9D1121.10193518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>, Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <bush1helpedkilljfk-9B532D.10030518102003@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
>>> Righteous Nation <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [mindless anti-Catholic raving snipped:
>>
>>Reinserted
>
>You REALLY need to remember to take your medicine EVERY day.
Are you just TRYING to tweak this idiot to see nom many times he will
repost his crap? <g>
Kill files are good.
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:50:01 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts milk
>> for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2. If
>> a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job that
>> a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
>> guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money. If
>> company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why shouldn't
>> they?
>>
>I have no problem with Texas vs Cleveland, it's Cleveland vs China that
>bothers me.
>
>You apparently believe that a corporation (or more acccurately its
>owners) have no obligation to the community and nation that allowed them
>to prosper in the first place. I don't agree.
Which obligations are you speaking of, Larry?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:37:38 -0400, Renata <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mexicans aren't the only ones building that way. I worked with a
>"carpenter" who was a good ole USA white boy and his practices were
>abomidable. Why bother with squaring & plumbing a window in the
>opening, the inspector don't check. Tyvek don't need no stinkin' seam
>tape - it's just decoration. Lots of other similar practices. This
>goes way beyond the next crew fixing the mistakes of the previous -
>it's downright crappy "work" and an awful philosphy (the almighty
>dollar...).
And I wonder what the Indians are saying about us. After all, they're
the only TRUE Americans.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have no problem with Texas vs Cleveland, it's Cleveland vs China that
> bothers me.
Then lobbying hard for a 25+% US tax break on that foreign profit.I
believe US corps going overseas for cheap labor and lax environmental
laws have done more to harm this country in the last 20 years than
anyone ever could have foreseen. I fear for the future of the US as a
solid and stable nation as it's ideals, technology and resources are
sold to the lowest bidder.
Not too long ago, it was said that the US was headed for a service
economy - in just a few short years we now see that major portions of
that business, like the tech, phone and catalog businesses, are heading
to India for the cheap labor.
There seems to be no sense of community any longer. Support your
neighbor because it's good for you. Support your state because it's good
for your neighbor and you. Support your country because it's good for
your state, your neighbor and for you.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:42:12 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
pixelated:
>In article <[email protected]>, jake@di\/ersify.com wrote:
>>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:32:05 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
>><[email protected]> pixelated:
>>
>>>On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:15:35 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>>> DFTFT, Trent.
>>
>>Next time I'll just PYIMFF (filter you, Trent.)
>Put You In My ... Filter?
Yeah, that one.
>><bite> Ok, what does TIAFT stand for?
>>
>My guess is, This Isn't A ... Troll.
Grok. (But the OP was AFT.)
If you get my meanin', if you catch my drift.
----
A mostly meat-powered woodworker, and proud of it.
http://diversify.com Website Application Programming
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:36:47 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
>the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
>
> Kevin
>
Are these folks Mexicans, Kevin?...or Spanish Americans?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:32:21 GMT, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:27:29 -0500, Traves W. Coppock
><newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote:
>
>>On 18 Oct 2003 17:48:39 -0700, [email protected] (JOAT) Crawled
>>out of the shop and said. . .:
>>
>>>To hell with foreign-made products. Down with the Chinks, Japs, Gooks,
>>>Dot-heads, Rag-heads, Eurotrash, and Canadian assholes! Buy American
>>>USA-made only!
>>>
>>>
>>>"Life aint nothin' but twinks and chinks!" (Sexy gay young men and
>>>Chinese food!) -JOAT (Jerk-Off All Twinks)
>>
>>
>>
>>Dayum JOAT...dont hold back,,,let us know how ya feel!
>>
>>hehe
>
>that was not JOAT. just another twit for the twit file. skeez
yea, i noticed that after i saw some of JOAT's inspiration
posts...some peoples kids. . .
Traves
You make valid points. Unfortunatly, there is not much chance of anything
changing.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Then lobbying hard for a 25+% US tax break on that foreign profit.I
> believe US corps going overseas for cheap labor and lax environmental
> laws have done more to harm this country in the last 20 years than
> anyone ever could have foreseen. I fear for the future of the US as a
> solid and stable nation as it's ideals, technology and resources are
> sold to the lowest bidder.
>
> Not too long ago, it was said that the US was headed for a service
> economy - in just a few short years we now see that major portions of
> that business, like the tech, phone and catalog businesses, are heading
> to India for the cheap labor.
>
> There seems to be no sense of community any longer. Support your
> neighbor because it's good for you. Support your state because it's good
> for your neighbor and you. Support your country because it's good for
> your state, your neighbor and for you.
>
> --
> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
> Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
> <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
> <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
In 1970 I bought a "genuine African safari hat" in Ethiopia. It had a tag in
it that said "made in England". :)
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On 17 Oct 2003 18:10:28 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
>
> >Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
> >quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA.
>
> I have a pair of "Smith's American" work boots.
>
> Deep inside, on the tongue, it says "Made in China". <G>
>
> Good luck in the search!
>
> Barry
Mexicans aren't the only ones building that way. I worked with a
"carpenter" who was a good ole USA white boy and his practices were
abomidable. Why bother with squaring & plumbing a window in the
opening, the inspector don't check. Tyvek don't need no stinkin' seam
tape - it's just decoration. Lots of other similar practices. This
goes way beyond the next crew fixing the mistakes of the previous -
it's downright crappy "work" and an awful philosphy (the almighty
dollar...).
Renata
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:36:47 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
<[email protected]> wrote:
--snip--
> Now I'm doing interior trim in a Mex-framed home. The builder told me a
>"good" Amerian framer (Who I have trimmed behind many times and I know does
>good work) wanted approx. $10,000.00 more to frame the house than what he
>got it framed for.. I've spent about 40 hours fixing things wrong with the
>framing just so I could do my job. For example: most of the rough door
>openings were 3/4" out of plumb. Some of these were in both directions. The
>poplar door jambs were 3/4" thickness instead of 5/8" like the typical pine
>jambs. Made hanging doors a bitch. Behind all this shoddy work is some
>greedy-assed American who is paying these guys five or six bucks an hour and
>raking in the cash. Sorry sons of bitches (you know who you are).
> Think about this. If the door openings are 3/4" out of plumb over 7' then
>the 9' walls must be an inch to an inch and a quarter out. Of course people
>don't see all that. They just wanna know why my window casing is a half inch
>closer to the wall at the top that it is at the bottom.
> When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
>the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
>
> Kevin
>
smart, not dumb for email
I don't know if the problem is stiff leather or Your feet not doing well
with the sole system. If it is stiff leather on any good boot, here is
the best solution.
Make sure that it will not be freezing the next day. Fill the new boots
with warm water; warm seems to soak into the leather better. Leave the
water in overnight. If there is still water in them in the morning,
dump it out. Use the thickness of socks that you will wear with the
boots. Put 'em on and wear them till they're dry. Apply neatsfoot oil,
snow seal, or whatever boot protection you prefer. Best fitting boots
you'll ever experience.
############
Keep the whole world singing. . .
Dan G
(remove the 7)
Greg O wrote:
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:IQpkb.823225$uu5.145851@sccrnsc04...
>> Got a pair. Size 11e. Feel great at first but after numerous
>> attempts, I can't wear them for more than two hours before my feet
>> hurt so bad that I have to change. $165.00 shot.
>>
>>
>>
> I wore nothing but Redwings for work 20+ years ago. Then a job change
> got me back into boots again. I tried hiking boots, but they would
> fall apart after about 6 months or so, no mater what brand I bought.
> Back to Redwing I went. I was surprised to see boots that had China
> labels on them, but I did find a pair I liked that were 100% made in
> USA. Those suckers took a week of 10 hour days to break in. I did not
> think I was going to live through it! But now they are as comfortable
> as any boot I have owned.
> Greg
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:13:00 -0500, "Greg O"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Phil Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:Iankb.47160$%[email protected]...
>> Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
>
>Not necessarily true! Some of Redwing boots have parts manufactured oversea
>then assembled in the US. Not the same quality as the good old Redwing boot.
>Watch the labels in the tongue of the boot, some say made in US, some say
>something like "uppers made in China, assembled in US" or something of the
>same meaning.
>Greg
>
So...those particular boots are of lesser quality?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
"Teej" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Teej" wrote in message
> > >
> > > <rant snipped>
> > >
> > another rant snipped
> >
> > It's all about the bottom line. Don't tell me that you buy Tofts
milk
> > for $3 a gallon because it's "local" when Wal Mart has it for $2.
If
> > a union worker in Cleveland is going to demand $22/hr to do a job
that
> > a guy in Fort Worth is gonna do for $11/hr, why not hire the Texas
> > guy? Every business is IN business for one thing--to make money.
If
> > company executives can increase profits to shareholders, why
shouldn't
> > they?
> >
> > BTW, you wouldn't by chance be a member of the United Brotherhood of
> > Something or Other, would you?
> >
>
> > -Phil Crow, with reawakened sense of righteous indignation.
> <snipper snipped>
> Another snipper snipped:
> Ummm Josh I beleive I said china not texas. I do beleive theres a bit
> of a differance. I`d appreciate you not putting words in that I never
> said.
> And yes I buy local and american,should be easy to see with the post
> I made.
> Maybe a reading class for adults is in order.
>
> Another snipper snipped=)
Nice snippage. Now exactly where are you quoting me about putting words
in your mouth? You quoted someone else.
You're correct, maybe reading comprehension class is in order. That or
lessons on how to reply using Usenet.
The issue isn't really Mexicans or any other nationality. The issue
is (partly) the fact that cheap, shoddy construction is seemingly the
norm, even in some upper end houses. Corporations/businesses seem to
be going for the biggest bang for the buck, irregardless of all the
other factors. I thnk it's spelled g-r-e-e-d.
Renata
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:56:05 -0400, "Kevin L. Bowling"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't mean to imply that Mexicans are the only ones doing shoddy work. I
>know some "good ole' boys" who are doing just as badly. My point is, how am
>I going to get the price I need just to get by, when these guys will do it
>cheaper. With practice they're gonna get better too. I won't be surprised to
>see a few Mex builders very soon. Right now I'm skeptical about how I'm
>gonna continue to work in this trade. It's all I know and I'm too old to
>wanna start from scratch. Oh, Trent. If they were Spanish-American wouldn't
>they speak a bit of English? Once again, I have nothing against these folks
>but I have nothing nice to say for the "American" who's making a killing by
>exploiting their labor and possibly running guys like me out of business.
>
> Kevin
smart, not dumb for email
Find a Redwing store. Good work boots/shoes and I'm pretty sure they're 100%
made in the USA.
(Hope I'm not wrong)
Erik
"Teej" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Went to Dick`s sporting goods,JC Penny,Macy`s and sears looking for a
> quality workboot (9 inch) made in the USA. None of them carried any.
> Almost 100% of the boots were made in china,timberland mostly and sold
> at a quality price.
> Ended up going to a little shoe store and paid a bit to much for a
> quality Wolverene Durashock boot.Not much more than the chinese
> Timberlands I might add.
>
> Carharts are also getting heavy into chinese,pakastan and malasya. If
> you look hard there are still some made in the USA.
>
> Socks were no problem,made in the USA.
>
> Duofolds long johns were assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
> Hopefully I kept a few americans working a bit longer.The worst part
> is big business is buying very cheap Chinese products and selling them
> to us at quality prices pocketing big profits while putting us out of
> work.
>
> This is about work clothes,a little off topic or not.Just felt like
> venting a bit after several hours of shopping for 1 pair of work
> boots.
"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Redwing
>
>
Be careful buying Redwing boots too. Not all are made 100% USA. Quite a few
of their boots have uppers manufactured overseas and assembled in the US. A
few years ago they were 100% US, but no longer. Many of their boots are made
100% in the US, you just gotta look at the tags when you buy them.
Greg
"Phil Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Iankb.47160$%[email protected]...
> Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
Not necessarily true! Some of Redwing boots have parts manufactured oversea
then assembled in the US. Not the same quality as the good old Redwing boot.
Watch the labels in the tongue of the boot, some say made in US, some say
something like "uppers made in China, assembled in US" or something of the
same meaning.
Greg
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:IQpkb.823225$uu5.145851@sccrnsc04...
> Got a pair. Size 11e. Feel great at first but after numerous attempts, I
> can't wear them for more than two hours before my feet hurt so bad that I
> have to change. $165.00 shot.
>
>
>
I wore nothing but Redwings for work 20+ years ago. Then a job change got me
back into boots again. I tried hiking boots, but they would fall apart after
about 6 months or so, no mater what brand I bought. Back to Redwing I went.
I was surprised to see boots that had China labels on them, but I did find a
pair I liked that were 100% made in USA. Those suckers took a week of 10
hour days to break in. I did not think I was going to live through it! But
now they are as comfortable as any boot I have owned.
Greg
"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:13:00 -0500, "Greg O"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Phil Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:Iankb.47160$%[email protected]...
> >> Try Redwing boots. Made in Redwing, MN.
> >
> >Not necessarily true! Some of Redwing boots have parts manufactured
oversea
> >then assembled in the US. Not the same quality as the good old Redwing
boot.
> >Watch the labels in the tongue of the boot, some say made in US, some say
> >something like "uppers made in China, assembled in US" or something of
the
> >same meaning.
> >Greg
> >
>
> So...those particular boots are of lesser quality?
>
>
>
I don't know. Every boot that I bought that was made in China did not hold
up as well as my made in USA Redwings, so I did not take the chance.
Also I am just pointing out that just because someone buys Redwings, it does
no guarantee that they are 100% US made.
Greg
In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I was asking a serious question, Kevin. It wasn't clear what yer
> > tryin' to say...and its still not clear.
> >
> > Are these folks really Mexicans?...Mexican citizens? Or are they of
> > Mexican descent?
>
>
> Real honest to goodness Mexicans from Mexico. There're literally tens of
> thousands of them here. I'll bet fifty dollars against a doughnut they don't
> all have green cards. I am not exagerating in the slightest degree. Some of
> the American sub-contractors are bringing them up here. They live twenty and
> thirty to a house. They've completely taken over the landscaping labor force
> with a strong foothold in food service, framing, drywall hanging, masonry
> and God only knows what else.
> Think about it like this, when those Mexican carpenters put me out of
> business, how about if me and my peers come to your town and do certified
> breast self-exams cheaper than you? Of course I'd have to to do a terrible
> exam to get it done faster so I can make six bucks an hour and my greedy
> boss can make 18 or 20. You're either gonna have to cheapen your breast
> exams or start doing something else. Of course you may be doing it cheaper
> already.
> Did I make my point yet? Maybe it's time for me to take a trip down to
> tiajuana and get me a busload of trim laborers. Give them a bunch of saws
> without guards and nail guns without the safety mechanism put them up in a
> two-bedroom slum somewhere and put em to work. Seems to be working for some
> folks.
> This has all happened in the space of about seven years. Like I said I have
> nothing personal against these guys (the mexicans. I have plenty against
> their "bosses") they're hard working sob's. I just wish they'd go work hard
> someplace else.
>
> Kevin
>
>
1988 was when the formal strategy went into effect:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555861997/qid%3D1066703168/sr%3D1
1-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-7319552-4129707
National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry (Publication / Office of
Publishing and Promotion Services, United States caTholic Conference,
No. 199-7)
by Natl Conf of Catholic Bishops
Americans welcome people of "all nations" as a fulfillment of "E
Pluribus Unum."
The problem arises when a foreign, pernicious, and identified 99.4%
pedophile evil has it all "arranged" in order to usurp the culture and
sovereignty of the Republic our blood has been poured out to preserve.
No point in running from a fight. Annuit Coeptis: Divine Providence will
smile on our endeavour...that our children be neither slaves nor
slavemasters.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Teej" wrote in message
> >
> > <rant snipped>
> >
> > As consumers, we have been told to keep Americans working and buy
> > American. At the same time we are told this, companies are picking up
> > and moving overseas or across the border. The more they move and put
> > Americans out of jobs, the more is published about keep buying American.
> > It's corporate greed.
> >
> > I live outside a city that used to be called the Rubber Capital of the
> > World. Akron, Ohio. It is nothing like the boom times, a depressed area
> > with very few blue collar jobs that pay a livable wage. Tire plants
> > gone.
> >
> > South of Akron is HQ for Hoover Corp. They are shutting down production
> > in Canton, where workers were making in the $18-22 per hr, moving
> > production to Texas and Mexico, where workers will make between
> > something like $11-13 per hr in Texas, and across the border $2.50 per
> > DAY.
> >
> > East of Akron was Lordstown GM plant, so much for those days.
> >
> > North of Akron in Cleveland area, Ford Motor in Northfield and Parma,
> > Parma jobs are gone soon.
> >
> > Steel Plants in Youngstown, Cleveland, Canton gone.
> >
> > Along with this was the trucking companies that used to line the
> > highways, with high paying jobs all around. Gone
> >
> > When we as consumers tell the companies HQed in the U.S.A. but
> > manufacturer more across our borders and overseas, that we had enough
> > and to shut them all down. We will see change, there are investors
> > knocking on the door that want to see this happen. We will survive.
> >
> > You may not remember the days when GM blamed cheap Japanese steel on
> > their bodies rusting out, it was GM that specified the make up of steel,
> > ripping off the consumer and passing the blame on to Japan.
> >
> > Its past time to send a message to big business and tell them we've had
> > enough, frankly I don't care which Nationality/Country owns U.S. based
> > companies, surely they will treat our own better than we have seen.
> >
> > Time to stop buying U.S. made products, that corporate greed shuns the
> > worker and their families. They keep just a handful of jobs within the
> > U.S. so we as consumers have this guilt feeling if we don't buy their
> > product. This is not what the good ole U.S. of A is about.
> >
>
> That's not all. Come down to Cincinnati. All the restaraunt, landscaping
> and home building is being taken over by Mexicans and Russians. Mostly
> Mexicans. Now I don't have anything against these people but they sure as
> hell are driving my wages as well as the general work ethic down. I've been
> working in a particular sub-division where probably fifteen homes are being
> framed at any given time. Not a single American crew is framing houses
> there!
> Now I'm doing interior trim in a Mex-framed home. The builder told me a
> "good" Amerian framer (Who I have trimmed behind many times and I know does
> good work) wanted approx. $10,000.00 more to frame the house than what he
> got it framed for.. I've spent about 40 hours fixing things wrong with the
> framing just so I could do my job. For example: most of the rough door
> openings were 3/4" out of plumb. Some of these were in both directions. The
> poplar door jambs were 3/4" thickness instead of 5/8" like the typical pine
> jambs. Made hanging doors a bitch. Behind all this shoddy work is some
> greedy-assed American who is paying these guys five or six bucks an hour and
> raking in the cash. Sorry sons of bitches (you know who you are).
> Think about this. If the door openings are 3/4" out of plumb over 7' then
> the 9' walls must be an inch to an inch and a quarter out. Of course people
> don't see all that. They just wanna know why my window casing is a half inch
> closer to the wall at the top that it is at the bottom.
> When our boys come home from Iraq I hope they're not looking for work in
> the constrution industry. That job's been sent to Mexico.
>
> Kevin
>
>
It wouldn't be as bad if it weren't the fact that it's all planned out
in the Roman Catholic Church's "National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic
Ministry."
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/1555861997/al
l/ref=dp_pb_a/104-5389241-0074366
You can pick up your own copy at Amazon if the local archdiocese library
has already destroyed the evidence...it's "out of print."
The families that founded Rome, supplied most all the caesars and popes,
gave us the Wall Street of slavery there in pedophile Rome, Hitler and
Holocaust, the Kennedy and King assassinations and Vietnam...and have
gotten away with it even though America's Founder, Th. Jefferson,
spelled out how we know they are "the real Anti-Christ," suggests they
really know what they're doing. It ain't healthy for America, freedom,
liberty, or God...but they're sure doing it.
Some people just can't tell a crooked board by eye, straightedge, or a
chalkline...others are huddled and hidden in perversion...plenty aren't
American.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[snipped]
You forgot to take your medicine this morning.