"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
1546 is a hay loader. We used them on the farm I grew up on. The metal
wheels and
and general look of this probably means it was horse drawn. And like the
ones I am familiar with, were converted to tractor drawn later in their
life. They are pulled behind a trailer or truck. You drive over the hay
that has been raked into rows. It is then scooped up and loaded onto the
trailer or truck.
And after you get to the barn, you grab big chunks of hay with any number of
"hay hooks", that have been featured in this puzzle series. :) You use your
horses or tractor to lift the hay up into the hay loft.
On Feb 25, 10:20=A0am, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Rob H. wrote:
> >> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
> >> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
> >> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> >> Rob
>
> >Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>
> >BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>
> >Dave
>
> Threshing grain is even worse. =A0BTDT.
>
> http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpghttp://www.lurndal.org/image=
s/thresh2-300.jpg
>
> (That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bundles
> =A0and a Super C in the background).
>
> scott
And a seriously nice 1951 Chevy parked in front. I was a tinkerer in
my youth; while my friends were getting big arms tossing bales, I was
under the hood keeping the trucks working.
Whatever happened to them olden days? Amongst the misery of working so
hard after school, for pennies if you were lucky, there was a real
health and vigor in that rural lifestyle. Its not all 'agrarian
mythology'.
I sometimes think of how much the world has changed since then. Not
only the material world, but I think of the stunning natural places
that were around then, but are gone now.
Getting older, I guess. Great pictures.
--riverman
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:23:10 -0500, "Rob H."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In the second picture, markings that seem to represent "2 1/? X 1/2"
>> are visible. My guess is that the first part is the tube diameter and
>> the second part is the tube sheet thickness.
>
>
>Sounds like a good guess, at least for the first part, I just got this
>information from the owner:
>
>One end has a diameter of 2 in. and the other side is 2&1/2 in. Three of the
>pieces are marked on the
>backside with "X", "2 1/2", And"1/2".
>
>
>Rob
This old book, "Steam boiler engineering, a treatise on
steam boilers and the design and operation of boiler plants
(1920)", has some info. On page 613 in this book, under the
heading "Renewing Tubes", it describes this Dudgeon (tube
expander) as the "Prosser" type. See:
http://openlibrary.org/details/steamboilerengin00heinuoft/leaf308
or a direct link to just the one page:
http://ia341203.us.archive.org/zipview.php?zip=/2/items/steamboilerengin00heinuoft/steamboilerengin00heinuoft_flippy.zip&file=0617.jpg
Some explanation of its use is there too.
--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email
On Feb 26, 9:22=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Phil Carmody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> >>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
> >> ...
>
> >> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>
> > To some people they may be, but to other people they
> > are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
> > everyone's language.
>
> > Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
> > absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
>
> May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard English =
and
> not "argot". =A0If you kid is going to do a craft project requiring straw=
and
> you bring him or her hay then it's not going to work out very well. =A0If=
said
> kid has a pet rabbit and you bring it straw to eat instead of hay that's =
not
> going to work out all that well either. =A0And do take your camera to the=
hat
> shop to record the expression on the hatter's face when you ask for a =A0=
"hay
> hat". =A0And I'd like to see you drink soda through a hay.
>
> It's not a fine point of distinction--hay is animal fodder, straw is what=
's
> left over after everything with significant nutritional value has been
> removed from the grain plant.
>
Which doesn't invalidate the statement that he had 'straw down his
back'. Typically hay bales have both in them. In fact, IIRC, the straw
is more brittle and most of the bale chaff is straw, not hay.
--riverman
On Feb 20, 12:07=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good job on your guesses this week, you got four of them correct, and tha=
t
> doesn't include 1548, which I'm still not sure about.
>
> > -----) (No number?)
>
> > Looks as though it slides on a notched pole. =A0The shorter stick
> > engages the notchers to keep it from sliding down. =A0The longer
> > one cams the shorter one out of enagement to allow it to slide.
>
> Guess I wasn't real clear when I wrote that part, that last photo is from=
a
> new page that I created that features a lot of farm tools, if you haven't
> already seen it, click where it says "Link", it will take you there.
>
> Here is the answer page for this week:
>
> http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
Do you have a diameter on 1548? That would help us.
Karl
Steve W. wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> 1548. Looks to be tail pipe expander. Does the handle look like it
>>> has been hammer driven?
>>
>> The owner replied and said there are no hammer marks on the handle,
>> which means either it was an expander that was never used or that it
>> could have been used for some other purpose.
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> Most of the ones used for fire hose couplings are not used with a
> hammer. They are used with a press. Takes a BIG push to expand the inner
> collar.
> I only wish I could find a unit cheap... The average price for one
> starts at 4,000.00 PLUS dies and coupling sleeves.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/1948-Elkhart-Brass-fire-hose-nozzle-expander-photo-ad_W0QQitemZ370161931930QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090220?IMSfp=TL090220129003r3494
On Feb 19, 5:47=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of cla=
mp,
> not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
I found one by translating the 'type 89' written in japanese on the
top.
#1547 is a 'Rokuoh-Sha Type 89 machine gun camera"
http://tinyurl.com/dlnn8k
--riverman
On Feb 19, 12:58=A0pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nahmie wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 9:23 am, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Rob H. wrote:
> >>> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
> >>> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
> >>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> >>> Rob
> >> 1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
> >> looks to be about 1920s vintage.
>
> >> 1544 - instrument stand?
>
> >> 1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
>
> >> 1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the hay
> >> from falling through the chains.
>
> >> 1547 - Gun camera?
>
> >> 1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one loo=
ks
> >> like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
>
> >> --
> >> Steve W.
>
> > 1546 didn't have a wooden bed, the pichup teeth brought the hay up
> > unto the crossbars that traveled with the chains. They are close
> > enough to keep the hay from falling through, and the wood slats on top
> > keep the hay pressed down on the bars so they carry it up over the
> > top. These came into more use after thew advent of the "side delivery"
> > rake, which rolls the swathed hay left by the mowing machine into a
> > windrow, then you use the wagon & hayloader to straddle the windrow
> > and pick it up. Preferably, you have 2 men on the wagon, and the man
> > on the back of the wagon works about 1/3rd harder than the man in
> > front, because he not only has to "build" the rear half of thew load,
> > he has to "pass" the hay to the front man for that half of the load.
> > (DAMHIKT) Graduated from the kid driving the horses and hooking/
> > unhooking the loader to learning how to "build" a load of hay so it
> > binds in and doesn't fall off the wagon.
>
> > Norm
>
> Most of the ones I have seen had a bed. I guess it may be a different
> brand? Did you ever get to use the reciprocating style? One of the
> locals has one and that thing looks like a mechanical nightmare in
> operation!
>
> --
> Steve W.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, I've seen both types. If I recall, Uncle/s had a bed, but it was
galvanized steel, with the oscillating bars on top of the hay to walk
it up the bed.
Guess you can just call me an "Old Fart". Learned with horse drawn
mower and "dump" rake where you raked across the mower swathsand
tripped it to release the hay when the rake got full. A good operator
could make a field look almost like it had been done with a side
delivery rake, but a novice left it all over the place. When I wanted
to rake, Uncle said "sure, just one condition, you bunch and load all
you rake". I made about two passes across the field and decided that
was enough for a start. Remember, this was BEFORE the hayloader, we
had to bunch it with a pitchfork and then pick it up and put it up on
the wagon. What a difference the side delivery rake & hayloader made!
Then he got his first baler, a New Holland with a 2 cyl. Wisconsin
engine to run it. WOW! Now we just had to pick the bales up and put
them on the wagon. Of course, being "young fellers" we just had to
show off(AKA playin' graba**) a little bit and launch them across the
wagon at the guy loading from the other side.
Next big step was the bigger tractor with a PTO drive baler & bale
"tosser" that put them in a bale rack wagon. Had to drag Uncle into
the mechanical age kicking & screaming, he really liked working with
horses. Late '60s early '70s we took our three little girls to a
county fair and were looking at the antique equipment display when
oldest girl(about 10) informed us that "that isn't antique equipment,
Uncle has all that stuff on the farm".
On Feb 21, 6:20=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
>
> >Do you have a diameter on 1548? That would help us.
> >Karl
>
> I haven't heard back yet concerning the diameter, but thanks to Cecil for
> sending me a scan from "Steam Engine Guide" by Prof. P. S. Rose originall=
y
> published before 1910, it has an illustration of a boiler tube expander t=
hat
> looks almost exactly like 1548:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album10/_1a100.jpg
>
> I think this is the correct identity of it and have just updated my answe=
r
> page, a gold star to everyone who posted this as an answer.
>
> Rob
Looks like we don't need the diameter anymore. Did he say what the
numbers meant?
Karl
"Rob H." <[email protected]> writes:
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of clamp,
>not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob
>
1543 Mimeograph machine
1545 Some sort of gauge?
1546 Hay Loader (probably horse drawn)
1547 Movie camera of some sort (Japanese?)
"David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>Rob H. wrote:
>> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
>> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
>> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>>
>> Rob
>
>Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>
>BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>
>Dave
Threshing grain is even worse. BTDT.
http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpg
http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg
(That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bundles
and a Super C in the background).
scott
riverman <[email protected]> writes:
>On Feb 25, 10:20=A0am, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>> "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> >Rob H. wrote:
>> >> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
>> >> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
>> >> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>>
>> >> Rob
>>
>> >Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>>
>> >BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>>
>> >Dave
>>
>> Threshing grain is even worse. =A0BTDT.
>>
>> http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpghttp://www.lurndal.org/image=
>s/thresh2-300.jpg
>>
>> (That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bundles
>> =A0and a Super C in the background).
>>
>> scott
>
>And a seriously nice 1951 Chevy parked in front. I was a tinkerer in
>my youth; while my friends were getting big arms tossing bales, I was
>under the hood keeping the trucks working.
I really liked that pickup truck. I thought it was better to let the
baler do the tossing: http://www.lurndal.org/images/baler.jpg (Massy 65)
scott
[email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 20, 9:09 pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> What kind of baler years ago made 500 lb. bales for the use of the ( farm
>>>tools #8 ) hay harpoon? Old square bales were under a 100 lbs. and big
>>>round balers did not come out until about the 80s.
>>>Thanks Ralph
>>
>>That information was copied from my original answer for the hay harpoon that
>>was posted back in November of 2006, I don't remember where I found it. The
>>link that I had in the answer was to an auction web site page which is no
>>longer there.
>>
>>However I did find the link below, on page 15 it mentions an 1850 hay press
>>that is now in working order and produces bales up to 500 pounds:
>>
>>http://www.cfcincorporated.com/CFCHistory.pdf
>>
>>If I ever find where I got my original information I'll let you know.
>>
>>Rob
>
>
> Rob,
> The hay harpoon was not for large bales. There were several types used
> for unloading loose hay from a wagon, hoisting it into the hay mow.
> Personally, I've used two types of them. First was a two pronged
> harpoon. You used whatever measurew you could to punch it down into
> the hay(jab, pull, jab again, etc.) until it was in as far as it would
> physically go, then(at least on ours) pull up on a handle whic turened
> the bottom 3 to 4" of the prongs 90 deg. to the inside, and the handle
> latched there. The top of the harpoon had a rope sheave on it. The end
> of the 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" rope was secured to the "trolley", came down
> through the sheave on the harpoon, back up to the trolley, over a
> sheave there, across the ridge of the barn roof to a pulley at the end
> of the barn, then by whatever means necessary to get it outside the
> barn where a team of horses or a tractor could pull on it. There was
> an angle iron track the full length of the barn ridge(inside).
> Directly above where the wagon would sit was what was called a "frog"
> attached to the rail. The frog looked like a double ended arrowhead
> with a gap between the points. The "trolley" would be pulled back with
> the trip rope and would latch in the frog and release the harpoon so
> you could pull it down to the wagon. After the harpoon was set, the
> horses/tractor would pull on the main rope, lifting about 1/4 of the
> load of hay off the wagon. When it was pulled all the way up to the
> frog, the harpoon sheave would do 2 things, latch into the trolley AND
> release the trolley from the frog, so the trolly and hay woiuld follow
> the track toward the end of the barn. When the hay was where you
> wanted it in the haymow, you stop letting the trip rope slide through
> your hands and jerk it, which would trip the latch on the harpoon,
> dropping the hay into the mow. After the horses/tractor have returned
> and the main rope is pulled back(and coiled in our barn), you use the
> trip rope to pull the trolley back so it will latch into the frog,
> releasing the harpoon so you can start over again. In our barn, the
> wagon was backed into the center of the barn, and you could send the
> hay either direction by shifting the rope and pulleys to the other end
> of the barn.
>
> Instead of the single prong or two prong harpoon, another type was a
> "grapple" that had either 4 or six largew curved hooks suspended by
> chains. You pull them out to the four or six points of the compass and
> work them into the hay one at a time. Same drill after that, the trip
> rope would unlatch the grapp[les and let the hay drop where you wanted
> it.
>
> Norm
Good job Norm, been there,done that, all correct.
On Feb 24, 6:16=A0pm, "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
> > Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
> > hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
> > ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> > Rob
>
> Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>
> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>
> Dave
Straw down your back wasn't bad. Old "hired man"(worked for room and
board and a little beer money on Sat. night) bunched some hay, put it
up over his head to put on wagon, big grass snake fell out of the hay,
right down his collar.
Norm
On Feb 18, 11:47=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of cla=
mp,
> not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
1544. I'm going to say mimeograph machine but it's way older than any
I've seen.
1546. Hay Rake?
1547. Some sort of camera.
1548. Jewelers ring expander. These are the ones I'm familiar with.
http://www.abm-corp.com/Abm_r2.asp
Karl
On Feb 25, 8:02=A0am, Jesse <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 11:47=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On Feb 24, 6:01=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with =
hay,
> > > I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go ahea=
d and
> > > modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> > > Rob
>
> > You're welcome Rob. Yep, spent most of my youth on a western NY dairy
> > farm.
>
> OK, I gotta ask, Where in WNY? =A0I am in Niagara County.
Chautauqua County near Jamestown, little village of Frewsburg.
Norm
On Feb 24, 4:16=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This old book, "Steam boiler engineering, a treatise on
> > steam boilers and the design and operation of boiler plants
> > (1920)", has some info. On page 613 in this book, under the
> > heading "Renewing Tubes", it describes this Dudgeon (tube
> > expander) as the "Prosser" type. See:
>
> >http://openlibrary.org/details/steamboilerengin00heinuoft/leaf308
>
> > or a direct link to just the one page:
>
> >http://ia341203.us.archive.org/zipview.php?zip=3D/2/items/steamboileren.=
..
>
> > Some explanation of its use is there too.
>
> > --
> > Leon Fisk
> > Grand Rapids =A0MI/Zone 5b
> > Remove no.spam for email
>
> Thanks Leon!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Dudgeon has rollers, which this does not. However, the last
sentence is more pertinent: it refers to a 'belling' type
expander....I think this one qualifies.
--riverman
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> writes:
> "Phil Carmody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>>
>> To some people they may be, but to other people they
>> are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
>> everyone's language.
>>
>> Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
>> absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
>
> May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard
> English
Well there's your argument blown out of the water.
Phil
--
I tried the Vista speech recognition by running the tutorial. I was
amazed, it was awesome, recognised every word I said. Then I said the
wrong word ... and it typed the right one. It was actually just
detecting a sound and printing the expected word! -- pbhj on /.
dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
> ...
>
> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
To some people they may be, but to other people they
are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
everyone's language.
Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
--
I tried the Vista speech recognition by running the tutorial. I was
amazed, it was awesome, recognised every word I said. Then I said the
wrong word ... and it typed the right one. It was actually just
detecting a sound and printing the expected word! -- pbhj on /.
On Feb 20, 9:09=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> > =A0What kind of baler years ago made 500 lb. bales for the use of the (=
farm
> > tools #8 ) hay harpoon? Old square bales were under a 100 lbs. and big
> > round balers did not come out until about the 80s.
> > Thanks Ralph
>
> That information was copied from my original answer for the hay harpoon t=
hat
> was posted back in November of 2006, I don't remember where I found it. =
=A0The
> link that I had in the answer was to an auction web site page which is no
> longer there.
>
> However I did find the link below, on page 15 it mentions an 1850 hay pre=
ss
> that is now in working order and produces bales up to 500 pounds:
>
> http://www.cfcincorporated.com/CFCHistory.pdf
>
> If I ever find where I got my original information I'll let you know.
>
> Rob
Rob,
The hay harpoon was not for large bales. There were several types used
for unloading loose hay from a wagon, hoisting it into the hay mow.
Personally, I've used two types of them. First was a two pronged
harpoon. You used whatever measurew you could to punch it down into
the hay(jab, pull, jab again, etc.) until it was in as far as it would
physically go, then(at least on ours) pull up on a handle whic turened
the bottom 3 to 4" of the prongs 90 deg. to the inside, and the handle
latched there. The top of the harpoon had a rope sheave on it. The end
of the 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" rope was secured to the "trolley", came down
through the sheave on the harpoon, back up to the trolley, over a
sheave there, across the ridge of the barn roof to a pulley at the end
of the barn, then by whatever means necessary to get it outside the
barn where a team of horses or a tractor could pull on it. There was
an angle iron track the full length of the barn ridge(inside).
Directly above where the wagon would sit was what was called a "frog"
attached to the rail. The frog looked like a double ended arrowhead
with a gap between the points. The "trolley" would be pulled back with
the trip rope and would latch in the frog and release the harpoon so
you could pull it down to the wagon. After the harpoon was set, the
horses/tractor would pull on the main rope, lifting about 1/4 of the
load of hay off the wagon. When it was pulled all the way up to the
frog, the harpoon sheave would do 2 things, latch into the trolley AND
release the trolley from the frog, so the trolly and hay woiuld follow
the track toward the end of the barn. When the hay was where you
wanted it in the haymow, you stop letting the trip rope slide through
your hands and jerk it, which would trip the latch on the harpoon,
dropping the hay into the mow. After the horses/tractor have returned
and the main rope is pulled back(and coiled in our barn), you use the
trip rope to pull the trolley back so it will latch into the frog,
releasing the harpoon so you can start over again. In our barn, the
wagon was backed into the center of the barn, and you could send the
hay either direction by shifting the rope and pulleys to the other end
of the barn.
Instead of the single prong or two prong harpoon, another type was a
"grapple" that had either 4 or six largew curved hooks suspended by
chains. You pull them out to the four or six points of the compass and
work them into the hay one at a time. Same drill after that, the trip
rope would unlatch the grapp[les and let the hay drop where you wanted
it.
Norm
On Feb 22, 11:02=A0pm, Cecil Ogg <[email protected]> wrote:
> kfvorwerk wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 6:20 am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
> >>> Do you have a diameter on 1548? That would help us.
> >>> Karl
> >> I haven't heard back yet concerning the diameter, but thanks to Cecil =
for
> >> sending me a scan from "Steam Engine Guide" by Prof. P. S. Rose origin=
ally
> >> published before 1910, it has an illustration of a boiler tube expande=
r that
> >> looks almost exactly like 1548:
>
> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album10/_1a100.jpg
>
> >> I think this is the correct identity of it and have just updated my an=
swer
> >> page, a gold star to everyone who posted this as an answer.
>
> >> Rob
>
> > Looks like we don't need the diameter anymore. Did he say what the
> > numbers meant?
> > Karl
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 In the second picture, markings that seem to represent "2=
1/? X 1/2"
> are visible. My guess is that the first part is the tube diameter and
> the second part is the tube sheet thickness. The Steam Engine Guide
> shows that this tool puts a bead in the tube on the inside of the tube
> sheet. It would be unsafe to use the wrong tool for a particular tube
> sheet thickness.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Steam Engine Guide is available at Amazon and other fine =
bookstores. It
> has about four pages that describe tools and procedures for maintaining
> boiler flues; I can scan these and email them if anyone wants to know
> more about this.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I don't have any information about why the segments are n=
umbered from
> one to ten in the third picture.
>
> Cecil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Possibly to keep track of them? It would be easy for parts to fall
out, and if someone had several sets of these, numbering the parts
would make it easier to keep them assembled.
--riverman
[email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 25, 8:02 am, Jesse <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Feb 24, 11:47 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 6:01 pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with hay,
>>>> I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go ahead and
>>>> modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>>>> Rob
>>> You're welcome Rob. Yep, spent most of my youth on a western NY dairy
>>> farm.
>> OK, I gotta ask, Where in WNY? I am in Niagara County.
>
> Chautauqua County near Jamestown, little village of Frewsburg.
>
> Norm
I did my penance in Erie Co. PA to many years ago to count.
I was born at Niagara Falls.
Dave
Rob H. wrote:
> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> Rob
Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
Dave
Oh shucky darns; you got me going:
Seems like I read somewhere that to teach the draftees during WWI to march
they ran into the problem that a large number did not know left from right.
So they put straw in the privates left foot, and hay in the right. Then the
Sargent would call out Straw foot, Hay foot, Straw foot...... I do not have
a reference, but that seems about right that they woud definitely know the
difference fo staw and hay, even if they did not know left and right.
Oh, and hay was the largest export from the US during WWI. It was the
petroleum of the day.
Bert
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Phil Carmody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>>
>> To some people they may be, but to other people they
>> are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
>> everyone's language.
>>
>> Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
>> absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
>
> May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard English
> and not "argot". If you kid is going to do a craft project requiring
> straw and you bring him or her hay then it's not going to work out very
> well. If said kid has a pet rabbit and you bring it straw to eat instead
> of hay that's not going to work out all that well either. And do take
> your camera to the hat shop to record the expression on the hatter's face
> when you ask for a "hay hat". And I'd like to see you drink soda through
> a hay.
>
> It's not a fine point of distinction--hay is animal fodder, straw is
> what's left over after everything with significant nutritional value has
> been removed from the grain plant.
>
>
>
>> --
>> I tried the Vista speech recognition by running the tutorial. I was
>> amazed, it was awesome, recognised every word I said. Then I said the
>> wrong word ... and it typed the right one. It was actually just
>> detecting a sound and printing the expected word! -- pbhj on /.
>
I am sure not positive about any of these wild guesses:
1543. Some version of mimeograph machine. The wooden frame makes
it pre 60s or more.
1546. Looks like some way of stacking loose hay.
1548. Looks to be tail pipe expander. Does the handle look like
it has been hammer driven?
--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
[email protected]
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some
>type of clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's
>used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
On Feb 26, 12:50=A0am, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> riverman <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Feb 25, 10:20=3DA0am, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> >> "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> >Rob H. wrote:
> >> >> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work wit=
h
> >> >> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and =
go
> >> >> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> >> >> Rob
>
> >> >Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>
> >> >BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>
> >> >Dave
>
> >> Threshing grain is even worse. =3DA0BTDT.
>
> >>http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpghttp://www.lurndal.org/i..=
.
> >s/thresh2-300.jpg
>
> >> (That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bund=
les
> >> =3DA0and a Super C in the background).
>
> >> scott
>
> >And a seriously nice 1951 Chevy parked in front. I was a tinkerer in
> >my youth; while my friends were getting big arms tossing bales, I was
> >under the hood keeping the trucks working.
>
> I really liked that pickup truck. =A0 I thought it was better to let the
> baler do the tossing: =A0http://www.lurndal.org/images/baler.jpg(Massy 65=
)
>
> scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Lucky you. The community hay farmers used to hire us HS kids to toss
bales onto the trucks, then they'd run the bales up to the hayloft
with a conveyor and the best kids would stack them in the barn. To be
a stacker, you needed to be small, wiry, extremely strong, fast and
able to stack bales strategically so there were air channels flowing
through to prevent them from rotting or burning. The kids who worked
in the hot, claustrophobic barns got paid an extra dollar an hour, and
they could tell you how many bales each barn in town took, and how
many they got in there last year and the year before.
I think of how cityfolk used to sneer at those of us from the deep
rural woods of Maine as being a bit out of time, but I tell you...the
things we knew back then. Some of the local kids who stacked bales
were as adept at spatial reasoning and mental math as anyone on this
newsgroup.
--riverman
On Feb 19, 9:23=A0am, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
> > I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
> > clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> >http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> > Rob
>
> 1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
> looks to be about 1920s vintage.
>
> 1544 - instrument stand?
>
> 1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
>
> 1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the hay
> from falling through the chains.
>
> 1547 - Gun camera?
>
> 1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one looks
> like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
>
> --
> Steve W.
1546 didn't have a wooden bed, the pichup teeth brought the hay up
unto the crossbars that traveled with the chains. They are close
enough to keep the hay from falling through, and the wood slats on top
keep the hay pressed down on the bars so they carry it up over the
top. These came into more use after thew advent of the "side delivery"
rake, which rolls the swathed hay left by the mowing machine into a
windrow, then you use the wagon & hayloader to straddle the windrow
and pick it up. Preferably, you have 2 men on the wagon, and the man
on the back of the wagon works about 1/3rd harder than the man in
front, because he not only has to "build" the rear half of thew load,
he has to "pass" the hay to the front man for that half of the load.
(DAMHIKT) Graduated from the kid driving the horses and hooking/
unhooking the loader to learning how to "build" a load of hay so it
binds in and doesn't fall off the wagon.
Norm
Rob H. wrote:
> Good job on your guesses this week, you got four of them correct, and
> that doesn't include 1548, which I'm still not sure about.
>
>> -----) (No number?)
>>
>> Looks as though it slides on a notched pole. The shorter stick
>> engages the notchers to keep it from sliding down. The longer
>> one cams the shorter one out of enagement to allow it to slide.
>
>
>
> Guess I wasn't real clear when I wrote that part, that last photo is
> from a new page that I created that features a lot of farm tools, if you
> haven't already seen it, click where it says "Link", it will take you
> there.
>
> Here is the answer page for this week:
>
> http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
What kind of baler years ago made 500 lb. bales for the use of the (
farm tools #8 ) hay harpoon? Old square bales were under a 100 lbs. and
big round balers did not come out until about the 80s.
Thanks Ralph
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1543 looks like an old "Multilith" duplicating machine.
On Feb 19, 8:02=A0pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 5:47=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of c=
lamp,
> > not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> >http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> > Rob
>
> I found one by translating the 'type 89' written in japanese on the
> top.
> #1547 is a 'Rokuoh-Sha Type 89 machine gun camera"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dlnn8k
>
> --riverman
This is a better link
http://tinyurl.com/ak6gss
--riverman
On Feb 27, 5:48=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Phil Carmody wrote:
> > "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> writes:
> >> "Phil Carmody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back. ...
>
> >>>> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>
> >>> To some people they may be, but to other people they
> >>> are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
> >>> everyone's language.
>
> >>> Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
> >>> absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
>
> >> May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard
> >> English
>
> > Well there's your argument blown out of the water.
>
> 7 posts to this newsgroup, half of them smartassed, none on topic.
>
> <plonk>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
obPuzzle: What's half of 7?
:-)
On Feb 19, 9:23=A0pm, Nahmie <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 12:58=A0pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Nahmie wrote:
> > > On Feb 19, 9:23 am, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Rob H. wrote:
> > >>> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type =
of
> > >>> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
> > >>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> > >>> Rob
> > >> 1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
> > >> looks to be about 1920s vintage.
>
> > >> 1544 - instrument stand?
>
> > >> 1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
>
> > >> 1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the h=
ay
> > >> from falling through the chains.
>
> > >> 1547 - Gun camera?
>
> > >> 1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one l=
ooks
> > >> like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
>
> > >> --
> > >> Steve W.
>
> > > 1546 didn't have a wooden bed, the pichup teeth brought the hay up
> > > unto the crossbars that traveled with the chains. They are close
> > > enough to keep the hay from falling through, and the wood slats on to=
p
> > > keep the hay pressed down on the bars so they carry it up over the
> > > top. These came into more use after thew advent of the "side delivery=
"
> > > rake, which rolls the swathed hay left by the mowing machine into a
> > > windrow, then you use the wagon & hayloader to straddle the windrow
> > > and pick it up. Preferably, you have 2 men on the wagon, and the man
> > > on the back of the wagon works about 1/3rd harder than the man in
> > > front, because he not only has to "build" the rear half of thew load,
> > > he has to "pass" the hay to the front man for that half of the load.
> > > (DAMHIKT) Graduated from the kid driving the horses and hooking/
> > > unhooking the loader to learning how to "build" a load of hay so it
> > > binds in and doesn't fall off the wagon.
>
> > > Norm
>
> > Most of the ones I have seen had a bed. I guess it may be a different
> > brand? Did you ever get to use the reciprocating style? One of the
> > locals has one and that thing looks like a mechanical nightmare in
> > operation!
>
> > --
> > Steve W.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, I've seen both types. If I recall, Uncle/s had a bed, but it was
> galvanized steel, with the oscillating bars on top of the hay to walk
> it up the bed.
>
> Guess you can just call me an "Old Fart". Learned with horse drawn
> mower and "dump" rake where you raked across the mower swathsand
> tripped it to release the hay when the rake got full. A good operator
> could make a field look almost like it had been done with a side
> delivery rake, but a novice left it all over the place. When I wanted
> to rake, Uncle said "sure, just one condition, you bunch and load all
> you rake". I made about two passes across the field and decided that
> was enough for a start. Remember, this was BEFORE the hayloader, we
> had to bunch it with a pitchfork and then pick it up and put it up on
> the wagon. What a difference the side delivery rake & hayloader made!
> Then he got his first baler, a New Holland with a 2 cyl. Wisconsin
> engine to run it. WOW! Now we just had to pick the bales up and put
> them on the wagon. Of course, being "young fellers" we just had to
> show off(AKA playin' graba**) a little bit and launch them across the
> wagon at the guy loading from the other side.
> Next big step was the bigger tractor with a PTO drive baler & bale
> "tosser" that put them in a bale rack wagon. Had to drag Uncle into
> the mechanical age kicking & screaming, he really liked working with
> horses. Late '60s early '70s we took our three little girls to a
> county fair and were looking at the antique equipment display when
> oldest girl(about 10) informed us that "that isn't antique equipment,
> Uncle has all that stuff on the farm".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'd be willing to bet the hayloader is a McCormick- Deering.
On Feb 24, 11:47=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 24, 6:01=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with ha=
y,
> > I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go ahead =
and
> > modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> > Rob
>
> You're welcome Rob. Yep, spent most of my youth on a western NY dairy
> farm.
OK, I gotta ask, Where in WNY? I am in Niagara County.
On Feb 24, 8:20=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Rob H. wrote:
> >> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
> >> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
> >> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> >> Rob
>
> >Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>
> >BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>
> >Dave
>
> Threshing grain is even worse. =A0BTDT.
>
> http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpghttp://www.lurndal.org/image=
s/thresh2-300.jpg
>
> (That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bundles
> =A0and a Super C in the background).
>
> scott
C'mon guys! There are worse jobs than threshing, just can't think of
them at the moment. Done every threshing job EXCEPT working the straw
mow. Had dust allergies so bad I couldn't do it. Working in the field
loading bundles or building the load(one man on each field crew
climbed on the wagon to build back half of load) wasn't too bad.
Assistant unloader @ threshing machine wasn't hard, just noisy.
Bagging oats and taking them into grain bin wasn't bad some places,
Uncles farm had a "corn barn" with grain bins on both stories, but
first floor was about 5' up off ground and second floor was another 8'
up! Take a sack with 2 bushels of oats, prop it up on your shoulder
and hump it up 2 flights of stairs most of the day, you know you've
worked.
Don't get me started, I've got more farming "war stories" than you can
shake a stick at.
Norm
On Feb 24, 6:01=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with hay,
> I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go ahead an=
d
> modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
> Rob
You're welcome Rob. Yep, spent most of my youth on a western NY dairy
farm.
I think that first one is an old memograph machine.
Remember that nasty smell the ink used to give off.
I think the second or third from last might be a tube end expander.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1543 Looks sorta like an oversized cigarette rolling machine, so I'll say
cigar making machine.
1544 Portable folding... push down on lever at the left to lift the fork at
the right, with no mechanical advantage.
1546 Lifts some harvested agricultural product into a collection wagon. Too
feeble for sugar cane. Probably too feeble for hay, but I'm no farmer.
What grows close to the ground and be picked up by the wire rakes? I'll
make a silly guess... Zucchini harvester. :)
1547 Japanese WWII airplane camera.
1548 Guess... Purpose is to clamp 2 steel (or other material) plates
together in, alignment, as part of a manufacturing process. Drill equal
size holes in both plates. Shove the segment pieces into the holes. Shove
the pin into the center to expand the segments, holding the plates in
alignment and clamping them together. After riveting the plates remove the
temporary connector.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Rob H. wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
looks to be about 1920s vintage.
1544 - instrument stand?
1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the hay
from falling through the chains.
1547 - Gun camera?
1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one looks
like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
--
Steve W.
Nahmie wrote:
> On Feb 19, 9:23 am, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rob H. wrote:
>>> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>>> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>> Rob
>> 1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
>> looks to be about 1920s vintage.
>>
>> 1544 - instrument stand?
>>
>> 1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
>>
>> 1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the hay
>> from falling through the chains.
>>
>> 1547 - Gun camera?
>>
>> 1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one looks
>> like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
>>
>> --
>> Steve W.
>
> 1546 didn't have a wooden bed, the pichup teeth brought the hay up
> unto the crossbars that traveled with the chains. They are close
> enough to keep the hay from falling through, and the wood slats on top
> keep the hay pressed down on the bars so they carry it up over the
> top. These came into more use after thew advent of the "side delivery"
> rake, which rolls the swathed hay left by the mowing machine into a
> windrow, then you use the wagon & hayloader to straddle the windrow
> and pick it up. Preferably, you have 2 men on the wagon, and the man
> on the back of the wagon works about 1/3rd harder than the man in
> front, because he not only has to "build" the rear half of thew load,
> he has to "pass" the hay to the front man for that half of the load.
> (DAMHIKT) Graduated from the kid driving the horses and hooking/
> unhooking the loader to learning how to "build" a load of hay so it
> binds in and doesn't fall off the wagon.
>
> Norm
Most of the ones I have seen had a bed. I guess it may be a different
brand? Did you ever get to use the reciprocating style? One of the
locals has one and that thing looks like a mechanical nightmare in
operation!
--
Steve W.
> 1548. Looks to be tail pipe expander. Does the handle look like
> it has been hammer driven?
I was also thinking it was a tail pipe expander, though I guess it could
also be for boiler pipes as several people have mentioned. I sent an email
to the owner asking if there are any marks on the handle, I'll let everyone
know what he says when he replies.
Rob
Nahmie wrote:
>> Most of the ones I have seen had a bed. I guess it may be a different
>> brand? Did you ever get to use the reciprocating style? One of the
>> locals has one and that thing looks like a mechanical nightmare in
>> operation!
>>
>> --
>> Steve W.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, I've seen both types. If I recall, Uncle/s had a bed, but it was
> galvanized steel, with the oscillating bars on top of the hay to walk
> it up the bed.
>
> Guess you can just call me an "Old Fart". Learned with horse drawn
> mower and "dump" rake where you raked across the mower swathsand
> tripped it to release the hay when the rake got full. A good operator
> could make a field look almost like it had been done with a side
> delivery rake, but a novice left it all over the place. When I wanted
> to rake, Uncle said "sure, just one condition, you bunch and load all
> you rake". I made about two passes across the field and decided that
> was enough for a start. Remember, this was BEFORE the hayloader, we
> had to bunch it with a pitchfork and then pick it up and put it up on
> the wagon. What a difference the side delivery rake & hayloader made!
> Then he got his first baler, a New Holland with a 2 cyl. Wisconsin
> engine to run it. WOW! Now we just had to pick the bales up and put
> them on the wagon. Of course, being "young fellers" we just had to
> show off(AKA playin' graba**) a little bit and launch them across the
> wagon at the guy loading from the other side.
> Next big step was the bigger tractor with a PTO drive baler & bale
> "tosser" that put them in a bale rack wagon. Had to drag Uncle into
> the mechanical age kicking & screaming, he really liked working with
> horses. Late '60s early '70s we took our three little girls to a
> county fair and were looking at the antique equipment display when
> oldest girl(about 10) informed us that "that isn't antique equipment,
> Uncle has all that stuff on the farm".
Spent a few years on a flat deck wagon pulling bales out of a New
Holland powered by a Wisconsin 4. Being pulled by an F-20.
I wasn't around for the earlier methods... However now I help out a few
of the local Amish/Mennonites and get to play with the older stuff.
I enjoy field work but you can keep the haymow for anyone else! I HATED
it there.
--
Steve W.
Good job on your guesses this week, you got four of them correct, and that
doesn't include 1548, which I'm still not sure about.
> -----) (No number?)
>
> Looks as though it slides on a notched pole. The shorter stick
> engages the notchers to keep it from sliding down. The longer
> one cams the shorter one out of enagement to allow it to slide.
Guess I wasn't real clear when I wrote that part, that last photo is from a
new page that I created that features a lot of farm tools, if you haven't
already seen it, click where it says "Link", it will take you there.
Here is the answer page for this week:
http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
>
>
>> 1548. Looks to be tail pipe expander. Does the handle look like it
>> has been hammer driven?
>
>
> The owner replied and said there are no hammer marks on the handle,
> which means either it was an expander that was never used or that it
> could have been used for some other purpose.
>
>
> Rob
Most of the ones used for fire hose couplings are not used with a
hammer. They are used with a press. Takes a BIG push to expand the inner
collar.
I only wish I could find a unit cheap... The average price for one
starts at 4,000.00 PLUS dies and coupling sleeves.
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Steve W.
Rich Grise wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:47:39 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> ISTR seeing that last (unnumbered) one some time ago, and it
> was some kind of hobble, to keep cows from jumping the fence, or
> something. The strap went around their neck, and the sticks stuck
> out in front of the animal, or something.
I didn't look at the pictures, but if it goes around the neck to prevent
going thru fences, it's a yoke, not hobble(s).
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> What kind of baler years ago made 500 lb. bales for the use of the ( farm
> tools #8 ) hay harpoon? Old square bales were under a 100 lbs. and big
> round balers did not come out until about the 80s.
> Thanks Ralph
That information was copied from my original answer for the hay harpoon that
was posted back in November of 2006, I don't remember where I found it. The
link that I had in the answer was to an auction web site page which is no
longer there.
However I did find the link below, on page 15 it mentions an 1850 hay press
that is now in working order and produces bales up to 500 pounds:
http://www.cfcincorporated.com/CFCHistory.pdf
If I ever find where I got my original information I'll let you know.
Rob
>
> http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
>
>Do you have a diameter on 1548? That would help us.
>Karl
I haven't heard back yet concerning the diameter, but thanks to Cecil for
sending me a scan from "Steam Engine Guide" by Prof. P. S. Rose originally
published before 1910, it has an illustration of a boiler tube expander that
looks almost exactly like 1548:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album10/_1a100.jpg
I think this is the correct identity of it and have just updated my answer
page, a gold star to everyone who posted this as an answer.
Rob
kfvorwerk wrote:
> On Feb 21, 6:20 am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> http://answers272-a.blogspot.com/
>>> Do you have a diameter on 1548? That would help us.
>>> Karl
>> I haven't heard back yet concerning the diameter, but thanks to Cecil for
>> sending me a scan from "Steam Engine Guide" by Prof. P. S. Rose originally
>> published before 1910, it has an illustration of a boiler tube expander that
>> looks almost exactly like 1548:
>>
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album10/_1a100.jpg
>>
>> I think this is the correct identity of it and have just updated my answer
>> page, a gold star to everyone who posted this as an answer.
>>
>> Rob
>
> Looks like we don't need the diameter anymore. Did he say what the
> numbers meant?
> Karl
In the second picture, markings that seem to represent "2 1/? X 1/2"
are visible. My guess is that the first part is the tube diameter and
the second part is the tube sheet thickness. The Steam Engine Guide
shows that this tool puts a bead in the tube on the inside of the tube
sheet. It would be unsafe to use the wrong tool for a particular tube
sheet thickness.
Steam Engine Guide is available at Amazon and other fine bookstores. It
has about four pages that describe tools and procedures for maintaining
boiler flues; I can scan these and email them if anyone wants to know
more about this.
I don't have any information about why the segments are numbered from
one to ten in the third picture.
Cecil
> In the second picture, markings that seem to represent "2 1/? X 1/2"
> are visible. My guess is that the first part is the tube diameter and
> the second part is the tube sheet thickness.
Sounds like a good guess, at least for the first part, I just got this
information from the owner:
One end has a diameter of 2 in. and the other side is 2&1/2 in. Three of the
pieces are marked on the
backside with "X", "2 1/2", And"1/2".
Rob
> This old book, "Steam boiler engineering, a treatise on
> steam boilers and the design and operation of boiler plants
> (1920)", has some info. On page 613 in this book, under the
> heading "Renewing Tubes", it describes this Dudgeon (tube
> expander) as the "Prosser" type. See:
>
> http://openlibrary.org/details/steamboilerengin00heinuoft/leaf308
>
> or a direct link to just the one page:
>
> http://ia341203.us.archive.org/zipview.php?zip=/2/items/steamboilerengin00heinuoft/steamboilerengin00heinuoft_flippy.zip&file=0617.jpg
>
> Some explanation of its use is there too.
>
> --
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> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Thanks Leon!
David G. Nagel wrote:
...
> Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
What's so miserable? You drive the baler down the row keeping the
dimension monitor even between the two sides by moving the pickup
from one side of the windrow to the other and when the "Wrap" beeper
blasts, stop, let it wrap and when done, drop the bale. Repeat... :)
I'll post some pic's from last fall after we had had a nice rain not
long after we had swathed...right now not signed up at any of the free
hosting sites...
> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
...
"Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
Didn't do much hay when young; we were almost all production grain
(wheat, milo) but did always bind and shock a fair amount of dry feed.
I'll take handling square bales over shocking from my experience.
The hay fork in the mow hasn't been used for loose hay since before I
can remember; when we did the re-roof and renovations I intended to get
it out and exercise it just for the experience but got sidetracked and
haven't. I'll add a barn picture or two showing it as well...
SW KS...
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news:[email protected]...
> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>> ...
>>
>> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>
> To some people they may be, but to other people they
> are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
> everyone's language.
>
> Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
> absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard English and
not "argot". If you kid is going to do a craft project requiring straw and
you bring him or her hay then it's not going to work out very well. If said
kid has a pet rabbit and you bring it straw to eat instead of hay that's not
going to work out all that well either. And do take your camera to the hat
shop to record the expression on the hatter's face when you ask for a "hay
hat". And I'd like to see you drink soda through a hay.
It's not a fine point of distinction--hay is animal fodder, straw is what's
left over after everything with significant nutritional value has been
removed from the grain plant.
> --
> I tried the Vista speech recognition by running the tutorial. I was
> amazed, it was awesome, recognised every word I said. Then I said the
> wrong word ... and it typed the right one. It was actually just
> detecting a sound and printing the expected word! -- pbhj on /.
dpb wrote:
...
> I'll post some pic's from last fall...
http://dpb.fileave.com/
Not great pictures but indicative of area. Didn't think to take any of
the equipment; I was so enamored by the green as we had been _so_ dry so
long (and are again, unfortunately) was focused on that to the exclusion
of almost everything else at the time. We totaled something over 2000
round bales of roughly 12-1300 lb.
The barn includes one taken in early '20s; it was begun in 1917-18 but
wasn't completed until rationing was lifted after WW I armistice.
This is SW KS...
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Phil Carmody wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> writes:
>> "Phil Carmody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>> BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back. ...
>>>>
>>>> "Straw" and "hay" are two different things... :)
>>>
>>> To some people they may be, but to other people they
>>> are not. Do not think that your chosen argot defines
>>> everyone's language.
>>>
>>> Phil, who really doesn't care about the presence or
>>> absense of bollocks hanging off any cows he sees.
>>
>> May not make any difference in your life but it's still standard
>> English
>
> Well there's your argument blown out of the water.
7 posts to this newsgroup, half of them smartassed, none on topic.
<plonk>
dpb wrote:
...
> The barn includes one taken in early '20s; ...
FWIW (not much, granted :) ), that's my grandfather on the wagon; I'm
the even less distinct blob in the tractor in the other.
Wife took that one; we had just finished knocking down the two old silos
behind the barn (ca 1914-'15) and was picking up and loading debris on
truck. County took it as riprap for side of road along bridge abutment
for erosion control which saved quite sizable disposal bill if had had
to haul to county landfill.
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:01:33 -0500, "Rob H."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with hay,
>I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go ahead and
>modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>
>Rob
As long as we are beating this item to death, I'll pile on
too :)
I believe this may be the patent that goes along with the
tripping/catch mechanism. That is if indeed the Nellis name
is accurate:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=143775
Some discussion in the text about "penetrating" the hay to
lift.
This patent diagram illustrates actual hay being lifted with
a similar hay-fork:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=82485
This patent illustrates a similar design to the one on Rob's
page, showing the whole fork:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=98711
They all discuss in various ways penetrating/thrusting into
the load/hay/wad...
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Rob H. wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Most appear to be antique torture devices, circa Spanish Inquisition. The
exception is #1548 - its a small dildo.
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:47:39 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
ISTR seeing that last (unnumbered) one some time ago, and it
was some kind of hobble, to keep cows from jumping the fence, or
something. The strap went around their neck, and the sticks stuck
out in front of the animal, or something.
Cheers!
Rich
[email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 24, 8:20Â pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>> "David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> >Rob H. wrote:
>> >> Thanks for the info, sounds like you've done your share of work with
>> >> hay, I've never worked on a farm so I'll take your word for it and go
>> >> ahead and modify my answer for the hay harpoon.
>>
>> >> Rob
>>
>> >Lucky you. Baling hay is a miserable job.
>>
>> >BTDT Couldn't wear the T-shirt due to the straw down my back.
>>
>> >Dave
>>
>> Threshing grain is even worse. Â BTDT.
>>
>>
http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpghttp://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg
>>
>> (That's a farmall M running the belt, and a farmall B hauling the bundles
>> and a Super C in the background).
>>
>> scott
>
> C'mon guys! There are worse jobs than threshing, just can't think of
> them at the moment.
Worst grain was milo -- I used to feed the stuff and it was the only grain
that I had to wear a bandana to keep from breathing the dust when unloading
or grinding it.
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Rob H. wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
> clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
1546 A hay loader for loading loose hay onto a wagon
The small wheels are the front of this implement.
1548 just a guess on this one - a boiler tube expander?
Howard Garner
ex-farmer
On 2009-02-19, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of clamp,
> not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1543) Spirit duplicator. Hectograph, Mimeograph, various other names.
Gelatin in a pan or attached to a backing which wraps around the
drum. (Not sure which style this is for sure.) Ink soaks into
the gelatin from the master (sort of a reversed carbon paper
using an ink which dissolves in alcohol.)
The paper is wet with alcohol and rolled over the wax to pick up
the images. I think that the black cylinder around the central
shaft is the reservoir for the alcohol, and spays it on the
paper as it rotates, making this one with the gelatin in a pan
below it.
They used to use these to make the tests handed out in school
when I was in about the sixth grade (1955?) and probably quite a
while before that -- but that was when I noticed how the
machines worked. :-)
1544) No clue as to the function of this -- except that it appears to
fold up into a box, so it is portable.
It almost looks like the left extending paddle is for attaching
bait to -- for some kind of box trap, perhaps?
1545) This looks like a wrench for a certain kind of wristwatch back
with multiple flats for wrenching it open. Loosen the knob to
the right, slide the right jaw to about the right position, then
use the knurled knob to the left to tighten the moving jaws
visible on the first photo to clamp onto the watch back prior to
unscrewing it.
The tongue to the side (near the jaws) bottom on the upper
photo, and the extension out the small end of the handle would
work as case knives to open snap-in watch cases.
1546) Conveyer for moving cut hay into the wagon bed?
1547) Hmm ... an interesting device. Oriental markings (Chinese,
Japanese, or what?)
The silver handle is a cocking lever to set a strong spring.
Looks as though it ratchets so you give multiple strokes to wind
a large flat spring like a clock spring on steroids in the
housing under the lever.
The trigger releases it -- everything, or a single power stroke
worth.
Something goes in the windowed chamber above the muzzle contains
whatever it drives.
It looks as though the key near the middle winds up the
auto-loader for whatever goes in the chamber.
Whether it launches a projectile, drives a stud or stake into
something, or even happens to be a strange camera is not clear
to me, though it would probably become more clear if I had it in
my hands. :-)
1548) O.K. The taper pin could expand it to lock inside a hole.
Or -- it could be used with a hydraulic press to crimp a ferrule
to secure a fitting to a hydraulic hose.
By removing numbered segments, you can adjust it for smaller
hoses and ferrules.
-----) (No number?)
Looks as though it slides on a notched pole. The shorter stick
engages the notchers to keep it from sliding down. The longer
one cams the shorter one out of enagement to allow it to slide.
Now to see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Nahmie wrote:
> On Feb 19, 9:23 am, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>>I need help with two of them this week, one is obviously some type of
>>>clamp, not sure if we can get more specific on how it's used:
>>
>>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>1543 - Ye old hand cranked single tank mimeograph machine. That one
>>looks to be about 1920s vintage.
>>
>>1544 - instrument stand?
>>
>>1545 - Maybe a keg/barrel opening tool?
>>
>>1546 - loose hay/straw loader missing the wooden bed that kept the hay
>>from falling through the chains.
>>
>>1547 - Gun camera?
>>
>>1548 - 2 1/2" swaging tool. Many different uses for them. That one looks
>>like it may be for attaching the coupler on a fire hose.
>>
>>--
>>Steve W.
>
>
> 1546 didn't have a wooden bed, the pichup teeth brought the hay up
> unto the crossbars that traveled with the chains. They are close
> enough to keep the hay from falling through, and the wood slats on top
> keep the hay pressed down on the bars so they carry it up over the
> top. These came into more use after thew advent of the "side delivery"
> rake, which rolls the swathed hay left by the mowing machine into a
> windrow, then you use the wagon & hayloader to straddle the windrow
> and pick it up. Preferably, you have 2 men on the wagon, and the man
> on the back of the wagon works about 1/3rd harder than the man in
> front, because he not only has to "build" the rear half of thew load,
> he has to "pass" the hay to the front man for that half of the load.
> (DAMHIKT) Graduated from the kid driving the horses and hooking/
> unhooking the loader to learning how to "build" a load of hay so it
> binds in and doesn't fall off the wagon.
>
> Norm
This hay loader had ropes stapled to the slats to keep the hay from
falling through. My dad had this same loader and found it worked very
good for loading peas also.