It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
On sports--it's inseparable, and that's not including the commercials!
On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
face" all the time.
Plenty of spam.
In the news--virtually everyone who has anything to say has a
vested-interest (and there are a lot of people being downright
"deceptive" in the business news).
Many of the OTA television broadcasts are religious (which I have no
problem with--except when I feel someone is trying to "sell me something").
I"m sure I've left out PLENTY. Thank goodness for peace from all
this--wherever you can find it! Maybe that's one of the nice features
of "work"! : )
Gas prices (Lew) don't bother me as much as the cumulative effect from
all of the above.
I like to think I "own" my thoughts--but that ain't an easy game to play
these days (think about it)!
I hope this helps to explain the source of my first post on this topic.
Bill
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>>> not directly).
>>>
>>> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that
>>> advertise for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's
>>> just because they don't have a big marketing budget. One of them
>>> appears to have just started moonlighting for SawStop.
>>>
>> Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>>
>
> I just don't know how one could ever call a Texan "handsome". Geeze - now
> that's a stretch...
Not handsome, brutally handsome.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things
>> I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not
>> directly).
>
> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that advertise
> for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's just because they
> don't have a big marketing budget. One of them appears to have just started
> moonlighting for SawStop.
>
Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>
>>
>> On sports--it's inseparable, and that's not including the commercials!
>>
>
> You'd hate NASCAR then. 43 rolling billboards. Worse - you'd really hate
> the announcers - they think they're pitch men for all of the sponsors.
As boring as watching tennis except for the occasional crash.
>
>
>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>> face" all the time.
>
> For sure. I hate the latest fad of popups as soon as you land on the page.
> If I want to sign up for something, I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to
> without them using popups.
>
>>
>> Gas prices (Lew) don't bother me as much as the cumulative effect
>> from all of the above.
>
> Right now gas prices aren't bothering me as much as they have in the past.
> I noticed today that gas has dropped 10 cents over the past two days. Still
> at rip off prices, but the movement is in the right direction. Oh for the
> days of 25 cent gas again...
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never
>> go back
>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in
>> the car
>> to justify the cost.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I have three (3) NPR stations programmed into the buttons.
Which ever one that is NOT begging for money, I listen to that day.
Lew
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Now you tell me. I just went out and bought a new G4 phone this
>> afternoon. The guy told me to come back and he'll give me a 50%
>> trade
>> in credit when the G5 comes out next week.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
And then there are people like me.
When I came to SoCal in 1990, thought about getting a cell; however,
they were
half the size of the car, req'd antenna installation, had holes in the
coverage just
where I needed it most, and were EXPENSIVE.
20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion
that the last
thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
Today, high tech for me is a MagicJack.
$20/year for a phone is my speed these days.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion
>> that
>> the last
>> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
>>
>> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
--------------------------------------------------------------
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones,
> roughly
> $100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for
> emergencies
> while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without the other.
> We
> have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we have to call
> long
> distance that has no toll free number.
>
> Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always
> reachable!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The next time I need to travel, have given some thought to buying a
"burn phone".
These days a cell has almost become a necessity if you travel.
Will just wait until the need arises.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> And then there are people like me.
>>
>> When I came to SoCal in 1990, thought about getting a cell;
>> however,
>> they were
>> half the size of the car, req'd antenna installation, had holes in
>> the
>> coverage just
>> where I needed it most, and were EXPENSIVE.
----------------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> Yes they were back then! I can well remember the days of $1,000 per
> month cell phone bills, but I didn't care because it was all
> legitimate business, and Oracle was paying the tab.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion
>> that the last
>> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
----------------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
> Expensive? Hell Lew - have you even looked at cell phones in the
> past 10 years?
------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely not. Like I said the last thing I need is an electronic
nursemaid.
------------------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> A basic, simple cell phone is free and basic service is almost free.
> How you let it affect your life is your own choosing. But geeze -
> expensive? Not hardly - unless you're thinking of smart phones.
--------------------------------------------------------------
A cell is a totally useless piece of equipment in my present life
style.
--------------------------------------------------------------
>> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> There's really nothing wrong with that philosophy in my book. The
> rest of the world may be more impatient and disagree with me, but
> all I really care about is that a person does indeed get back to me.
> I really don't need to get to everybody that I call, right now. I
> get really pissed though at the ones that just don't get back to
> you. I bring out words that start with F when that happens...
--------------------------------------------------------------
>> Today, high tech for me is a MagicJack.
>>
>> $20/year for a phone is my speed these days.
--------------------------------------------------------
> I'd do that except that I have this really weird thing going on. I
> keep my landline for one simple reason - to keep the Windstream guys
> that drive around in the vans doing installs and repairs, employed.
> Our experience with our local Windstream field staff has been
> nothing short of stellar, and we've made some friends with some of
> the guys. Everyody needs to work and this country has just had way
> too much downsizing/rightsizing/profitsizing. I pay $12 per month
> for the most basic service Windstream offers, just to keep these
> guys working. Oh - and I also pay for DSL. And DISH through
> Windstream...
---------------------------------
To each his own.
Lew
"Bill" wrote:
> I've long suspected that there is a great markup on MDF router table
> tops. I don't have one yet--wouldn't Birch-ply hold up (to humidity
> and the constant weight of the router) better?
--------------------------------------------------------
Built the one Norm built on NYW.
I did and would do it again.
Lew
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>
>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>
>
> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
> to justify the cost.
I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:31:04 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>
>> Thanks. G4 is the new "mobile way" (at least according to Amazon's
>> Kindle device), is it not. Doesn't that make the most sense?
>
>Oops, the protocols should be 3G and 4G, I think, not G4!
Now you tell me. I just went out and bought a new G4 phone this
afternoon. The guy told me to come back and he'll give me a 50% trade
in credit when the G5 comes out next week.
On 11/3/2013 9:36 PM, scritch wrote:
> On 11/1/2013 4:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:06:49 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But
>>>>> there's very little of that around here.
>>>>
>>>> I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the
>>>> European racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too
>>>> "gentlemenly" or something like that for me.
>>>
>>> I think you're thinking of road racing. The flat track I'm talking
>>> about is the old dirt track steel shoe version. Heat races,
>>> semi-finals, and the main event. Lots of races in one evening. Take
>>> a look at:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32V0MgvS7I
>>
>> You are correct - I had not seen dirt track bike racing like that before.
>> Very cool.
>>
> If you think motorcycle road racing is "gentlemanly" you aren't looking
> closely enough. Couple of weeks ago in MotoGP, one guy (the points
> leader) passed his teammate (the third in points, but catching up) so
> closely that his frame caught his teammate's traction control sensor
> cable on the back wheel and broke it. Unfortunately, the rider didn't
> realize it and when he gunned it in the next turn three seconds later,
> BOOM, high-side, and out of the championship contention.
>
That's not really a lack of sportmanship. That's just part of the game,
I'm sure it wasn't intentional.
I guess I haven't watched in so long, I didn' tknow they had traction
control... Used to be the rider provided the touch... not it's electronic...
--
Jeff
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:58:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>>>>> to justify the cost.
>>>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>>>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>>>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
>>>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>>>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>>>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>>>
>>>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>>>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>>>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>>>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>>>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
>>>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>>>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
>>>> cheap, now, too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have unlimited data.
>> Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
>> the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
>> that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
>> goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
>> available for it, though.
>>
>Please explain. Your post piques my interest, but I don't understand it.
I can't even pretend to imagine all of the possibilities but even
small kids carry iPads around these days. The problem is getting
information to the tablet. WiFi doesn't cut it for a truly mobile
device. Now take that into a car. DVDs are dead but video isn't.
Cell is the perfect way to "broadcast" into cars (the US digital
broadcast standards don't work). Lotsa stuff there. Big bux being
spent in this area but the big problem is the infrastructure.
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:44:32 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>>>> not directly).
>>>>
>>>> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that
>>>> advertise for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's
>>>> just because they don't have a big marketing budget. One of them
>>>> appears to have just started moonlighting for SawStop.
>>>>
>>> Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>>>
>>
>> I just don't know how one could ever call a Texan "handsome". Geeze - now
>> that's a stretch...
>
>
>Not handsome, brutally handsome.
Pit Bulls are brutally handsome.
On 11/1/2013 1:10 AM, Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things
>>> I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not
>>> directly).
>>
>> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that advertise
>> for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's just because they
>> don't have a big marketing budget. One of them appears to have just started
>> moonlighting for SawStop.
>>
> Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>
>
I think the brutally part fits :-)
>
>>
>>>
>>> On sports--it's inseparable, and that's not including the commercials!
>>>
>>
>> You'd hate NASCAR then. 43 rolling billboards. Worse - you'd really hate
>> the announcers - they think they're pitch men for all of the sponsors.
>
> As boring as watching tennis except for the occasional crash.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>>> face" all the time.
>>
>> For sure. I hate the latest fad of popups as soon as you land on the page.
>> If I want to sign up for something, I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to
>> without them using popups.
>>
>>>
>>> Gas prices (Lew) don't bother me as much as the cumulative effect
>>> from all of the above.
>>
>> Right now gas prices aren't bothering me as much as they have in the past.
>> I noticed today that gas has dropped 10 cents over the past two days. Still
>> at rip off prices, but the movement is in the right direction. Oh for the
>> days of 25 cent gas again...
--
Jeff
On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>
>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>> to justify the cost.
>
> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>
>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>
> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
> cheap, now, too.
>
I have unlimited data.
Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>
> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
> face" all the time.
Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:10:31 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:58:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>>>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>>>>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>>>>>>> to justify the cost.
>>>>>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>>>>>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>>>>>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
>>>>>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>>>>>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>>>>>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>>>>>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>>>>>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>>>>>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>>>>>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>>>>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
>>>>>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>>>>>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
>>>>>> cheap, now, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have unlimited data.
>>>> Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
>>>> the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
>>>> that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
>>>> goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
>>>> available for it, though.
>>>>
>>> Please explain. Your post piques my interest, but I don't understand it.
>> I can't even pretend to imagine all of the possibilities but even
>> small kids carry iPads around these days. The problem is getting
>> information to the tablet. WiFi doesn't cut it for a truly mobile
>> device. Now take that into a car. DVDs are dead but video isn't.
>> Cell is the perfect way to "broadcast" into cars (the US digital
>> broadcast standards don't work). Lotsa stuff there. Big bux being
>> spent in this area but the big problem is the infrastructure.
>>
>Thanks. G4 is the new "mobile way" (at least according to Amazon's
>Kindle device), is it not. Doesn't that make the most sense?
G4 is great, if you can get it, as long as you don't exceed your
"plan". That's the exactly problem. Streaming takes a *lot* of
bandwidth, which just isn't available. Yet.
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>>
>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>>> to justify the cost.
>>
>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>
>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>
>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
>> cheap, now, too.
>>
>
>
>I have unlimited data.
Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
available for it, though.
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:07:47 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I posted this already to the Rockler thread, but I wanted to make it a
>part of this thread too (where I think it better fits):
>
>Part of the "game" is that they may not really be trying to sell you the
>stated gadgets--but only trying to "keep you in the loop". They want you
>to keep their brand name and woodworking on your mind and don't want you
>to wander off into some other hobby. Anyone not been reminded of
>router tables sufficiently-adequately? This is validated by the poor
>quality and frequency of their email advertisements. If they wanted
>something more they would try harder. It cost them next to nothing to
>send you the same message several times per week. The better I've come
>to understand what they are doing, the less I appreciate it. I've
>paused to asked myself, "How many of their emails I've received from
>them in the last couple of years have been genuinely helpful?" What is
>it I did to deserve to be treated like that? (LOL)
Interesting that you should mention that. I was in Rockler,
Woodcraft, and Peachtree Saturday. I was amazed at the floor space
devoted to router tables (I have two, already, thank you). That space
has to be expensive and doesn't everyone who wants one, have one?
>Am I the only one? :)
I don't hate marketing. Rather the opposite; find it fascinating.
Bill wrote:
> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things
> I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not
> directly).
Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that advertise
for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's just because they
don't have a big marketing budget. One of them appears to have just started
moonlighting for SawStop.
>
> On sports--it's inseparable, and that's not including the commercials!
>
You'd hate NASCAR then. 43 rolling billboards. Worse - you'd really hate
the announcers - they think they're pitch men for all of the sponsors.
> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
> face" all the time.
For sure. I hate the latest fad of popups as soon as you land on the page.
If I want to sign up for something, I'm pretty sure I can figure out how to
without them using popups.
>
> Gas prices (Lew) don't bother me as much as the cumulative effect
> from all of the above.
Right now gas prices aren't bothering me as much as they have in the past.
I noticed today that gas has dropped 10 cents over the past two days. Still
at rip off prices, but the movement is in the right direction. Oh for the
days of 25 cent gas again...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>> not directly).
>>
>> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that
>> advertise for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's
>> just because they don't have a big marketing budget. One of them
>> appears to have just started moonlighting for SawStop.
>>
> Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>
I just don't know how one could ever call a Texan "handsome". Geeze - now
that's a stretch...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 10/31/2013 10:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On sports--it's inseparable, and that's not including the commercials!
>>
>
> You'd hate NASCAR then. 43 rolling billboards. Worse - you'd really hate
> the announcers - they think they're pitch men for all of the sponsors.
Yes, watching that for 2 minutes would just give me a reason to find
something else to do. Apparently, not everyone minds being "bombarded"
like this, and there appear to be varying degrees of sensitivity to it!
Bill
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:21:00 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
> You'd hate NASCAR then. 43 rolling billboards. Worse - you'd really
> hate the announcers - they think they're pitch men for all of the
> sponsors.
I too hate all the advertising that I see everywhere, but for some reason
I seem to be able to filter it out when I watch NASCAR. I just tried to
think who was sponsoring a few of my favorite drivers, and I could only
come up with one sponsor of one driver - it's hard to ignore that big
target on Montoya's car :-).
I find myself watching less and less though as the sport changes. The
super speedways are boring, all the rules are boring. The only good
change I've seen is the added safety features.
Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But there's
very little of that around here.
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Doug Miller wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>> not directly).
>>
>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>> face" all the time.
>
> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
I use Firefox with AdBlock and these popups still happen.
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On 11/1/2013 1:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>> not directly).
>>>
>>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>>> face" all the time.
>>
>> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
>
> I use Firefox with AdBlock and these popups still happen.
>
On what sites? Are you surfing for pR0n?
I use FF and Adblock, haven't seen a popup in a very long time.
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Doug Miller wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>
>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>> face" all the time.
> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
Thanks, I do use that (among other browsers). I've been more proactive
today--changing my home page, throwing away some mail without reading
it, deleting email faster, and switching from radio to CD. As I was
driving down the road I happen to notice plenty of advertising on both
sides of the street too--I believe they call it commerce or similar.
Several businesses even pay people to carry signs out in front to draw
ones attention. Throw in a few blinking lights, and I call it pollution.
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> I too hate all the advertising that I see everywhere, but for some
> reason I seem to be able to filter it out when I watch NASCAR. I
> just tried to think who was sponsoring a few of my favorite drivers,
> and I could only come up with one sponsor of one driver - it's hard
> to ignore that big target on Montoya's car :-).
Ya gotta love Juan! But then again, I like Kyle. It just kills me though
when the announcers make the big deal out of filling up with Sunoco instead
of just saying they're taking on fuel. Guess it shows how they're paid...
>
> I find myself watching less and less though as the sport changes. The
> super speedways are boring, all the rules are boring. The only good
> change I've seen is the added safety features.
>
I watch less and less now myself. I still DVR every race but I skip through
the recording to see what interests me. On tired days I'll sit down to
watch the race - knowing full well that I'm really sitting down for a little
schnooze. The rules package and the concept that anyone can win on any
given weekend just don't work for me. I like the days when the guys that
could figure out how to cheat well enough not to get caught, won. I'm just
not into the concept that a real back runner can run up front with the good
guys just becasue the rules make that possible.
> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But there's
> very little of that around here.
I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the European
racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too "gentlemenly" or
something like that for me. I'm not talking about hitting each other, I'm
talking more about the expectations of the racing. They are seriously good
drivers, but somehow it just does not light my fire.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:44:32 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at
>>>>>> least not directly).
>>>>>
>>>>> Au contraire, mon ami. Have you forgotten those two Texans that
>>>>> advertise for Festools? Granted, they keep it low key but that's
>>>>> just because they don't have a big marketing budget. One of them
>>>>> appears to have just started moonlighting for SawStop.
>>>>>
>>>> Damn fine fellows, brutally handsome too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just don't know how one could ever call a Texan "handsome".
>>> Geeze - now that's a stretch...
>>
>>
>> Not handsome, brutally handsome.
>
> Pit Bulls are brutally handsome.
So are fat women that have all their teeth. Not sure that really works...
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FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 11/1/2013 1:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>>> not directly).
>>>>
>>>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>>>> face" all the time.
>>>
>>> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
>>
>> I use Firefox with AdBlock and these popups still happen.
>>
> On what sites? Are you surfing for pR0n?
> I use FF and Adblock, haven't seen a popup in a very long time.
Really? I see them more and more all of the time. "Will you take this
survey?" and the likes. "Do you also want to look at this...?". Nope on
the porn - one does not need to surf porn sites to find this stuff.
BTW, trying to hide the use of the word porn by mixing in caps isn't going
to work anymore. Those guys figured that stuff out long ago. Even the
mispelling. Just look at how google suggests sites even though you might
have misspelled a search string.
I see popups like this on the HD web site, Lowes, Rockler, - most
everything. It seems to be the latest web craze.
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On 11/1/2013 2:12 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On 11/1/2013 1:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>>>> not directly).
>>>>>
>>>>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in your
>>>>> face" all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
>>>
>>> I use Firefox with AdBlock and these popups still happen.
>>>
>> On what sites? Are you surfing for pR0n?
>> I use FF and Adblock, haven't seen a popup in a very long time.
>
> Really? I see them more and more all of the time. "Will you take this
> survey?" and the likes. "Do you also want to look at this...?". Nope on
> the porn - one does not need to surf porn sites to find this stuff.
>
> BTW, trying to hide the use of the word porn by mixing in caps isn't going
> to work anymore. Those guys figured that stuff out long ago. Even the
> mispelling. Just look at how google suggests sites even though you might
> have misspelled a search string.
>
> I see popups like this on the HD web site, Lowes, Rockler, - most
> everything. It seems to be the latest web craze.
>
In FF, go to Tools, Options, Content...have you got block popups checked?
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Bill wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least
>>> not directly). On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming
>>> more "in your
>>> face" all the time.
>> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
> Thanks, I do use that (among other browsers). I've been more proactive
> today--changing my home page, throwing away some mail without reading
> it, deleting email faster, and switching from radio to CD. As I was
> driving down the road I happen to notice plenty of advertising on both
> sides of the street too--I believe they call it commerce or similar.
> Several businesses even pay people to carry signs out in front to draw
> ones attention. Throw in a few blinking lights, and I call it
> pollution.
If they don't employ topless 30-ish year old women, then it's just polution.
If they employ 50-ish year topless women, then that's just a freakin' crime!
Well... except for some...
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FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 11/1/2013 2:12 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2013 1:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>>>> things I do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at
>>>>>> least not directly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On most web pages--it's ubiquitous. They are becoming more "in
>>>>>> your face" all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use Firefox with AdBlock Plus -- most ads vanish.
>>>>
>>>> I use Firefox with AdBlock and these popups still happen.
>>>>
>>> On what sites? Are you surfing for pR0n?
>>> I use FF and Adblock, haven't seen a popup in a very long time.
>>
>> Really? I see them more and more all of the time. "Will you take
>> this survey?" and the likes. "Do you also want to look at
>> this...?". Nope on the porn - one does not need to surf porn sites
>> to find this stuff. BTW, trying to hide the use of the word porn by
>> mixing in caps isn't
>> going to work anymore. Those guys figured that stuff out long ago. Even
>> the mispelling. Just look at how google suggests sites even
>> though you might have misspelled a search string.
>>
>> I see popups like this on the HD web site, Lowes, Rockler, - most
>> everything. It seems to be the latest web craze.
>>
> In FF, go to Tools, Options, Content...have you got block popups
> checked?
Yup. I wonder if the matter is that these are not really popups, but rather
a function of the web site?
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Mike wrote:
> On 11/1/2013 2:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> I watch less and less now myself. I still DVR every race but I skip
>> through the recording to see what interests me. On tired days I'll
>> sit down to watch the race - knowing full well that I'm really
>> sitting down for a little schnooze. The rules package and the
>> concept that anyone can win on any given weekend just don't work for
>> me. I like the days when the guys that could figure out how to
>> cheat well enough not to get caught, won. I'm just not into the
>> concept that a real back runner can run up front with the good guys
>> just becasue the rules make that possible.
>
> The NASCAR version of no child left behind.
Yup.
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:06:49 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But there's
>> very little of that around here.
>
> I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the European
> racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too "gentlemenly"
> or something like that for me.
I think you're thinking of road racing. The flat track I'm talking about
is the old dirt track steel shoe version. Heat races, semi-finals, and
the main event. Lots of races in one evening. Take a look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32V0MgvS7I
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:06:49 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>>> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But
>>> there's very little of that around here.
>>
>> I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the
>> European racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too
>> "gentlemenly" or something like that for me.
>
> I think you're thinking of road racing. The flat track I'm talking
> about is the old dirt track steel shoe version. Heat races,
> semi-finals, and the main event. Lots of races in one evening. Take
> a look at:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32V0MgvS7I
You are correct - I had not seen dirt track bike racing like that before.
Very cool.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> I see popups like this on the HD web site, Lowes, Rockler, - most
> everything. It seems to be the latest web craze.
I called one of the major publishers today and asked them not to send me
any more email except subscription updates (one of the first listed
purposes they mention for having it). The woman I spoke with had me
respond "No, No, No,.." to several categories and then said a few
moments later that I still might occasionally get some email from
others. Then I quoted some scripture from their privacy policy
regarding renting their list to others, and said in no uncertain terms
that if I received another piece of email of that sort that I'd be
calling her back (or that I would have Lew call her back)! Then she
told me that she better remove my email address from their records
entirely then--that they could send me subscription updates via paper
mail. I share this to give you insight into the "tactics" that she used
in our conversation in case it might be helpful to anyone. They will
not just assume that you mean what you say after you've said it once or
twice. It was a little more like dealing with an "angle-shooter".
Bill
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:36:13 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
> You are correct - I had not seen dirt track bike racing like that
> before. Very cool.
A friend of mine did a little of that long ago in LA. His favorite story
was about the time he couldn't make a turn and was headed for the fence.
He remembered the stunt guys hitting a wooden fence right in the middle
of a board so it would split, and hopefully carry a few neighboring
boards with it to open a hole. He says he had nothing to lose so he
might as well try it. Worked like a charm. Unfortunately, what was on
the other side of the fence was a parked car! Luckily only minor
injuries.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>>>> to justify the cost.
>>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
>>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>>
>>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
>>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
>>> cheap, now, too.
>>>
>>
>> I have unlimited data.
> Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
> the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
> that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
> goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
> available for it, though.
>
Please explain. Your post piques my interest, but I don't understand it.
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:58:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>>>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>>>>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>>>>>>> to justify the cost.
>>>>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>>>>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>>>>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
>>>>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>>>>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>>>>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>>>>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>>>>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>>>>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>>>>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>>>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
>>>>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>>>>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
>>>>> cheap, now, too.
>>>>>
>>>> I have unlimited data.
>>> Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
>>> the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
>>> that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
>>> goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
>>> available for it, though.
>>>
>> Please explain. Your post piques my interest, but I don't understand it.
> I can't even pretend to imagine all of the possibilities but even
> small kids carry iPads around these days. The problem is getting
> information to the tablet. WiFi doesn't cut it for a truly mobile
> device. Now take that into a car. DVDs are dead but video isn't.
> Cell is the perfect way to "broadcast" into cars (the US digital
> broadcast standards don't work). Lotsa stuff there. Big bux being
> spent in this area but the big problem is the infrastructure.
>
Thanks. G4 is the new "mobile way" (at least according to Amazon's
Kindle device), is it not. Doesn't that make the most sense?
Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:58:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:52:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/1/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few)
>>>>>>>>> things I
>>>>>>>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not
>>>>>>>>> directly).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd
>>>>>>>> never go back
>>>>>>>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time
>>>>>>>> in the car
>>>>>>>> to justify the cost.
>>>>>> I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
>>>>>> while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
>>>>>> switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We
>>>>>> usually
>>>>>> listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
>>>>>> is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
>>>>>> rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I
>>>>>>> think a
>>>>>>> dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer
>>>>>>> pandora
>>>>>>> which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember
>>>>>>> the last
>>>>>>> time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora
>>>>>>> is being
>>>>>>> able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
>>>>>> Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
>>>>>> Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The
>>>>>> appliances are
>>>>>> cheap, now, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have unlimited data.
>>>> Until you hit the brick wall. Even those plans are going the way of
>>>> the DoDo. Streaming data is the cell companies worst nightmare. Once
>>>> that changes, all sorts of new gadgets are going to crop up. Say
>>>> goodbye to cable TV and Internet. There just isn't the bandwidth
>>>> available for it, though.
>>>>
>>> Please explain. Your post piques my interest, but I don't understand
>>> it.
>> I can't even pretend to imagine all of the possibilities but even
>> small kids carry iPads around these days. The problem is getting
>> information to the tablet. WiFi doesn't cut it for a truly mobile
>> device. Now take that into a car. DVDs are dead but video isn't.
>> Cell is the perfect way to "broadcast" into cars (the US digital
>> broadcast standards don't work). Lotsa stuff there. Big bux being
>> spent in this area but the big problem is the infrastructure.
>>
> Thanks. G4 is the new "mobile way" (at least according to Amazon's
> Kindle device), is it not. Doesn't that make the most sense?
Oops, the protocols should be 3G and 4G, I think, not G4!
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:31:04 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Thanks. G4 is the new "mobile way" (at least according to Amazon's
>>> Kindle device), is it not. Doesn't that make the most sense?
>> Oops, the protocols should be 3G and 4G, I think, not G4!
> Now you tell me. I just went out and bought a new G4 phone this
> afternoon. The guy told me to come back and he'll give me a 50% trade
> in credit when the G5 comes out next week.
I may need to take the rest of the day off to sort that one out! %-)
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> And then there are people like me.
>
> When I came to SoCal in 1990, thought about getting a cell; however,
> they were
> half the size of the car, req'd antenna installation, had holes in the
> coverage just
> where I needed it most, and were EXPENSIVE.
>
Yes they were back then! I can well remember the days of $1,000 per month
cell phone bills, but I didn't care because it was all legitimate business,
and Oracle was paying the tab.
> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion
> that the last
> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
Expensive? Hell Lew - have you even looked at cell phones in the past 10
years? A basic, simple cell phone is free and basic service is almost free.
How you let it affect your life is your own choosing. But geeze -
expensive? Not hardly - unless you're thinking of smart phones.
>
> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
There's really nothing wrong with that philosophy in my book. The rest of
the world may be more impatient and disagree with me, but all I really care
about is that a person does indeed get back to me. I really don't need to
get to everybody that I call, right now. I get really pissed though at the
ones that just don't get back to you. I bring out words that start with F
when that happens...
>
> Today, high tech for me is a MagicJack.
>
> $20/year for a phone is my speed these days.
I'd do that except that I have this really weird thing going on. I keep my
landline for one simple reason - to keep the Windstream guys that drive
around in the vans doing installs and repairs, employed. Our experience
with our local Windstream field staff has been nothing short of stellar, and
we've made some friends with some of the guys. Everyody needs to work and
this country has just had way too much downsizing/rightsizing/profitsizing.
I pay $12 per month for the most basic service Windstream offers, just to
keep these guys working. Oh - and I also pay for DSL. And DISH through
Windstream...
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I posted this already to the Rockler thread, but I wanted to make it a
part of this thread too (where I think it better fits):
Part of the "game" is that they may not really be trying to sell you the
stated gadgets--but only trying to "keep you in the loop". They want you
to keep their brand name and woodworking on your mind and don't want you
to wander off into some other hobby. Anyone not been reminded of
router tables sufficiently-adequately? This is validated by the poor
quality and frequency of their email advertisements. If they wanted
something more they would try harder. It cost them next to nothing to
send you the same message several times per week. The better I've come
to understand what they are doing, the less I appreciate it. I've
paused to asked myself, "How many of their emails I've received from
them in the last couple of years have been genuinely helpful?" What is
it I did to deserve to be treated like that? (LOL)
Am I the only one? :)
Bill
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:47:11 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion that
> the last
> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
>
> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones, roughly
$100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for emergencies
while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without the other. We
have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we have to call long
distance that has no toll free number.
Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always reachable!
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:47:11 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion that
> the last
> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
>
> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones, roughly
$100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for emergencies
while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without the other. We
have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we have to call long
distance that has no toll free number.
Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always reachable!
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:47:11 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion that
> the last
> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
>
> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones, roughly
$100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for emergencies
while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without the other. We
have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we have to call long
distance that has no toll free number.
Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always reachable!
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woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 5:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Yes they were back then! I can well remember the days of $1,000 per
>> month cell phone bills, but I didn't care because it was all
>> legitimate business, and Oracle was paying the tab.
>>
>>
>
>
> Mike were you in sales or tech when you worked for Oracle?
Sales. The first time I worked for Oracle I was in a headquaters group that
reported directly to Barry Erico. We were a specially chartered team by
Larry, to evangelize the concept of VLDB. In our world at that time, VLDB
was a one tera byte unified database.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
> We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones,
> roughly $100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for
> emergencies while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without
> the other. We have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we
> have to call long distance that has no toll free number.
>
> Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always
> reachable!
Ugh-oh, Larry's Send key is stuck again...
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-Mike-
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On 11/1/2013 4:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:06:49 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>>> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But
>>>> there's very little of that around here.
>>>
>>> I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the
>>> European racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too
>>> "gentlemenly" or something like that for me.
>>
>> I think you're thinking of road racing. The flat track I'm talking
>> about is the old dirt track steel shoe version. Heat races,
>> semi-finals, and the main event. Lots of races in one evening. Take
>> a look at:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32V0MgvS7I
>
> You are correct - I had not seen dirt track bike racing like that before.
> Very cool.
>
If you think motorcycle road racing is "gentlemanly" you aren't looking
closely enough. Couple of weeks ago in MotoGP, one guy (the points
leader) passed his teammate (the third in points, but catching up) so
closely that his frame caught his teammate's traction control sensor
cable on the back wheel and broke it. Unfortunately, the rider didn't
realize it and when he gunned it in the next turn three seconds later,
BOOM, high-side, and out of the championship contention.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:07:47 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I posted this already to the Rockler thread, but I wanted to make it a
>> part of this thread too (where I think it better fits):
>>
>> Part of the "game" is that they may not really be trying to sell you the
>> stated gadgets--but only trying to "keep you in the loop". They want you
>> to keep their brand name and woodworking on your mind and don't want you
>> to wander off into some other hobby. Anyone not been reminded of
>> router tables sufficiently-adequately? This is validated by the poor
>> quality and frequency of their email advertisements. If they wanted
>> something more they would try harder. It cost them next to nothing to
>> send you the same message several times per week. The better I've come
>> to understand what they are doing, the less I appreciate it. I've
>> paused to asked myself, "How many of their emails I've received from
>> them in the last couple of years have been genuinely helpful?" What is
>> it I did to deserve to be treated like that? (LOL)
> Interesting that you should mention that. I was in Rockler,
> Woodcraft, and Peachtree Saturday. I was amazed at the floor space
> devoted to router tables (I have two, already, thank you). That space
> has to be expensive and doesn't everyone who wants one, have one?
>
I've long suspected that there is a great markup on MDF router table
tops. I don't have one yet--wouldn't Birch-ply hold up (to humidity and
the constant weight of the router) better?
On 11/3/2013 10:37 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>> I've long suspected that there is a great markup on MDF router table
>> tops. I don't have one yet--wouldn't Birch-ply hold up (to humidity
>> and the constant weight of the router) better?
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Built the one Norm built on NYW.
>
> I did and would do it again.
>
> Lew
>
>
Thanks, I will look that one up! Writing it down now!
Bill
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:46:40 -0500, woodchucker wrote:
> I guess I haven't watched in so long, I didn' tknow they had traction
> control... Used to be the rider provided the touch...
It's amazing the amount of automation that can be fitted on one small
motorcycle. Before long they won't need the rider.
AFAIK, that hasn't reached the dirt track boys yet - I hope it never does.
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:47:11 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> 20+ years they are still expensive and I've come to the conclusion that
> the last
> thing I need is an electronic nursemaid.
>
> Call my office, leave a message, I'll try to get back to you.
We're not quite that bad. We've got one of the prepaid phones, roughly
$100 a year to get minutes that roll over. We carry it for emergencies
while traveling and when one of us goes somewhere without the other. We
have on occasion used up some of the minutes when we have to call long
distance that has no toll free number.
Other than that it stays turned off. I don't want to be always reachable!
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On 11/1/2013 2:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> I watch less and less now myself. I still DVR every race but I skip through
> the recording to see what interests me. On tired days I'll sit down to
> watch the race - knowing full well that I'm really sitting down for a little
> schnooze. The rules package and the concept that anyone can win on any
> given weekend just don't work for me. I like the days when the guys that
> could figure out how to cheat well enough not to get caught, won. I'm just
> not into the concept that a real back runner can run up front with the good
> guys just becasue the rules make that possible.
>
The NASCAR version of no child left behind.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:25:03 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:06:49 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>>> Now flat track motorcycle racing - that's something else. But there's
>>> very little of that around here.
>>
>> I've watched it but to me it's too much like F1 or some of the European
>> racing. I don't know how to say it but it just seems too "gentlemenly"
>> or something like that for me.
>
>I think you're thinking of road racing. The flat track I'm talking about
>is the old dirt track steel shoe version. Heat races, semi-finals, and
>the main event. Lots of races in one evening. Take a look at:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32V0MgvS7I
Dirt? Too easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-MyyDiBRio
I just can't get into watching vehicles go 'round-y-'round for more
than a few minutes. Tennis is the same. Worth doing but not worth
watching.
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:10:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
>>> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>>>
>>> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>>>
>>
>> Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go back
>> to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in the car
>> to justify the cost.
I have Sirius in my two vehicles, at least for now. It's free for a
while longer and I'll probably renew it for my wife's car. I hate
switching stations constantly when driving long distances. We usually
listen to a book, though. The biggest drawback of Sirius/XM (Sirius
is worse) is that the music is compressed to shit. Not so bad for
rock (it's pre-compressed) but horrible for other genre.
>I have had satellite radio in two cars in the last 10 years. I think a
>dollar or two a month would be a good deal for us... We prefer pandora
>which costs nothing with the occasional ad.. I can't remember the last
>time I heard an ad on pandora. What I really like about pandora is being
>able to tweak the station and to skip a song if I don't like it.
Pandora over cell is way too expensive. You can really eat up GB when
streaming anything. There are also too many dead zones. Listen to
Internet radio at home. It's free and quite good. The appliances are
cheap, now, too.
On 10/31/2013 9:39 PM, Bill wrote:
> It occurred to me that "newsgroup reading" is one of the (few) things I
> do in my spare time where I am not advertised at (at least not directly).
>
> On the radio in the car--floods almost every channel!
>
Foe the past four years I've has Sirius/XM in my cars. I'd never go
back to regular OTA and the commercials again. I spend enough time in
the car to justify the cost.