On 11/5/2013 5:44 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>
> Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
>
> (If it is Chinese, and says crap like that knowing that there are
> round-eyes that will be offended, it is still rude, insensitive, and
> stupid.)
>
> I'm not Mormon either, but that is still rude, insensitive and stupid.
> And I can not imagine any of the many Mormons I know saying something
> like that.
And then you call us round-eyes? You have any idea
how offensive that is? Sheesh.
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On 11/2/2013 5:51 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/2/2013 1:12 PM, Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>>> Editor Chinesely, work velly cheep! Goodly
>>> san. You happy, happy, bling chop now.
>>
>> That type of "humor" no longer has a place in this world.
>> Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
>>
>
>
> Sum ting wong?
No Laf Marc. Man without smiling face must
never open shop. Ancient proverb. Need more
calgon.
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:50:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/5/2013 3:03 PM, J Burns wrote:
>> On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>> [clean up]
>>>
>>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill
>>> file.
>>>
>> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
>> Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
>> stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>>
>> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
>> launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
>> _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
>> should be treated differently? ;)
>
>
>The trouble with political correctness is that it breeds a bunch of
>pussies. One day when we have everything so that no ones feelings are
>hurt France is going to invade and take over.
+1
Since when is it a "Constitutional right" to not be offended?
Remember, one must *take* offense. It's particularly idiotic to take
offense for someone else. If the injuns don't like the name of the
Washington *******, let them bitch.
>When political correctness was not such a "thing" we had a lot more respect.
Keep preachin'.
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:21:39 AM UTC-5, Rob H. wrote:
> >item 3016 looks like a variation of what Wikipedia calls > an Abbe refra=
ctometer > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_refractometer > or a lensmete=
r: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensmeter > >There is a more common name=
for the device, but I can't think of it. Good answer, the tag on this devi=
ce says Lensometer.
Yes, a lensometer (model M603B?), made by the American Optical Company. Th=
ere are 2 pictured on this link: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/american-optical-=
company
Sonny
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
>
> It is, in their view, the highest of accomplishments to successfully
> cheat someone in a business transaction. I did not invent or surmise
> this from dealing with them. I was told this, in person, by a Chinese
> man who, having learnt how we do business over here, was 'converted' to
> our ethical form.
So there is one honest Chinaman and you found him.
What are the odds? About 1 in a billion?
And how do you know he is honest?
He told you he was.
>
> We try to extract every dime from a tranaction without 'going over the
> edge' and cheating or lying. We have whole cadres of salespeople who DO
> lie routinely... Car salesmen, insurance hawkers, and the like... and as
> a society, we've categorized them in both society and literature as the
> lowest-of-the-low.
>
> The Chinese ALL deal that way, even among themselves, and consider it a
> failing to NOT successfully lie and cheat their way through. And
> similarly, instead of feeling they've been victimized, they consider it a
> great personal failing if they succumb to being cheated. It's a 180-
> degree reversal of our ethics.
You
have to first convincingly lie to yourself so that you
can lie to others.
That seems like an unnecessary extra step to the Chinese.
3016 sure looks like a microscope. Or is there more to it than that?
3018 must be part of an aircraft turn-and-bank (attitude) indicator.
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On 11/2/2013 1:12 PM, Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On 11/1/2013 6:28 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, my wording was not the best in this
>> > answer, maybe I need to hire an editor.
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> Editor Chinesely, work velly cheep! Goodly
>> san. You happy, happy, bling chop now.
>
> That type of "humor" no longer has a place in this world.
> Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
>
Sum ting wong?
On 10/31/2013 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>
>
> Rob
>
3018 is a ball used in a horizon indicator on an airplane or jet. It's
mounted in a display cradle.
3015 Sights for a sniper rifle.
3016 microscope (too simple.. you want the specialized purpose which I
don't know).
3013 for some farm produce... cleans the earth from the produce...
carrots, potatos, onions or something.
--
Jeff
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 11/1/2013 6:28 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> >
> > Yes, my wording was not the best in this
> > answer, maybe I need to hire an editor.
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > Rob
>
> Editor Chinesely, work velly cheep! Goodly
> san. You happy, happy, bling chop now.
That type of "humor" no longer has a place in this world.
Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 11/2/2013 2:12 PM, Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> Editor Chinesely, work velly cheep! Goodly
> >> san. You happy, happy, bling chop now.
> >
> > That type of "humor" no longer has a place in this world.
> > Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
>
> So, what kind of humor does Marc like? The kind where
> tea party attendees are blown up by IED, and then
> set on fire?
You know nothing about me. What you have just written
is a fantasy, a product of your own mind. It troubles me.
Reexamine it. It should trouble you too.
On 11/2/2013 2:12 PM, Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Editor Chinesely, work velly cheep! Goodly
>> san. You happy, happy, bling chop now.
>
> That type of "humor" no longer has a place in this world.
> Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
So, what kind of humor does Marc like? The kind where
tea party attendees are blown up by IED, and then
set on fire?
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Learn about Jesus
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On 11/6/2013 8:26 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> ----------------
> I dealt with the Chinese one-on-one (face to face) in hundreds of
> international transactions for over 15 years.
>
> They are dishonest, evil, and without any morals or ethics, except one:
> They consider it honorable to cheat a business associate.
>
> It is, in their view, the highest of accomplishments to successfully
> cheat someone in a business transaction. I did not invent or surmise
> this from dealing with them. I was told this, in person, by a Chinese
> man who, having learnt how we do business over here, was 'converted' to
> our ethical form.
>
> We try to extract every dime from a tranaction without 'going over the
> edge' and cheating or lying. We have whole cadres of salespeople who DO
> lie routinely... Car salesmen, insurance hawkers, and the like... and as
> a society, we've categorized them in both society and literature as the
> lowest-of-the-low.
>
> The Chinese ALL deal that way, even among themselves, and consider it a
> failing to NOT successfully lie and cheat their way through. And
> similarly, instead of feeling they've been victimized, they consider it a
> great personal failing if they succumb to being cheated. It's a 180-
> degree reversal of our ethics.
>
> So, don't talk to me about "respecting" Chinese. They're worthy of none
> of it.
>
> In addition, they have often expressed their goal of destroying then
> taking over our economy. I suppose you would like that. I would not.
>
> Lloyd
>
That could explain a bit about the US economic policy.
After all, don't the Chinese own a few bling in US
bonds? Wonder what they are doing to US politicians
in closed rooms?
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On 10/31/2013 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
3013 is a seed cleaner.
3015 has got yardage on it. It has to be a flip-up peep site for some
weapon with an effective range out to 600yd, ruling out most small
shoulder arms (yes, I know crack shots can do that, but most military
guys are barely competent with their small arms... <G>)
3018 I think it's just a classroom aid. The lines appear to be made
with drafting tape! It looks like a crude mockup of an attitude gyro to
me. Could be from an aircraft OR a sub... wouldn't matter much for the
style or types of readings you'd get.
Lloyd
Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
>>3014: Axe?
>
> Not exactly an axe but it's somewhat similar to one.
Curd slicer
Lloyd
Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
Rob, sometimes responding to others' posts doesn't get to you, so..
3013 is a seed cleaner.
Lloyd
Larry Sheldon <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:bdga1pFpkivU1
@mid.individual.net:
> I'm guessing it is something like a flencing knife.
Blubber axe?
Lloyd
J Burns <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:l50otc$lj1$1@dont-
email.me:
>> It's not. It is the interior 'ball' of an aircraft attitude
>> indicator, with some additional lines either painted or taped on.
>> It's set up as a display, and wouldn't be functional without its
>> gyroscopic stabilization.
>>
I said that the FIRST day this new group came out. None of the balls in
any aircraft I have flown had the lines stuck on with drafting tape!
(I mentioned that, and it was also not accepted).
What, I wonder, would happen to the otherwise delicate gimbles in a gyro
if pieces of plastic tape started clogging up the works?
LLoyd
Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:l514jh0va7
@drn.newsguy.com:
>
> They've all been answered correctly this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/10/set-517.html#answers
>
> Thanks everybody!
Rob, this:
this is a submarine diving gauge, though a lot of people have suggested
that it was probably an altitude indicator ....
No... "ATTITUDE" indicator! <G>
And just a quibble... it's NOT an attitude indicator. It's a
demonstration MODEL of an attitude indicator, for teaching and display
purposes, but having no function of its own.
Lloyd
"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> the
> gyros are not present in the instrument box, but instead are part of
the
> three-gyro "stable platform" elsewhere in the aircraft, with signals
> sent to the ball via synchro signals (selsyns), and servo motors
> rotating the ball to zero out the error signal from the synchros. So
> the tape would not be getting into the gyros, and hopefully an aircraft
> new enough to use the ball style instrument would also have duplicate
> instruments for pilot and co-pilot, so there would be something to
trust
> in that situation.
>
Don, you obviously have no experience in light aircraft.
Not in order, but first: WHAT friggin' CO-PILOT? Have you ever even been
in a light plane?
Second, but first on your list: Bullcrap! There's no room in a small,
single-engine plane for "instrumentation platforms". Those attitude
indicators are self-contained, behind-the-dash, panel-mount jobs.
The "something to trust" is the physical horizon, or your WORST-reading
instrument, if you're flying under IFR.
GEESH!
Lloyd
"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> Have *you* ever been in military aircraft -- or simulators for
> them? This includes military single-engine jet aircraft, such as the
> A7-a, made by LTV.
>
Um... yeah! Actually FLYING them...(I mean the real aircraft, not the GE
and Link Plastic Puke Generators)... I've flown several simulators, but
I've never physically flown a jet, only recips or turbo-props.
You?
Lloyd
Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> Even LDS no longer subscribes to this racist crap.
Weellll... some of them do! (we just had an example!)<G>
I'm literally _surrounded_ by them here in Florida Cattle Country.
Despite what I consider to be their odd beliefs in an indigent New Yawker's
imagined fancy copper plates 'n such... Other than that, they're just
"folks". They're generally more _moral_ than the average run (not all of
them, no), but other than that, they vary in behavior, dress, intelligence,
and general biases just like the rest of the population.
Lloyd
"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> And the simulators were made by Melpar, not link nor GE.
Don, the simulators YOU are familiar with might have been. I lived almost
within shouting distance of the GE simulator facility in Daytona Beach for
ten years. I got a lot of my early digital logic design experience on
their discards, which were auctioned off every few months.
They had something like 4000 employees dedicated to design and construction
of jet aircraft simulators, with full 3D visuals. During the 70s and 80s,
they were building 3D graphics systems the technologies (and math) of which
wouldn't be on the commercial market for another 15 years.
I took a college math course from their head mathematician, Marvin Bunker,
in the early 1970s. He was so smart, he couldn't talk in proper English.
He actually THOUGHT in his own Tensor Notation! GE had a team of 4 PhD
mathematicians following him around all day just to write down what he
said!
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1873&dat=19831111
&id=Z9shAAAAIBAJ&sjid=v58FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4841,7135817
Neat memories... but back to track, here. Yes, GE made very sophisticated
jet, helicopter, and tank simulators back then.
Lloyd
Stormin Mormon <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:%
[email protected]:
> On 11/5/2013 5:44 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
> And then you call us round-eyes? You have any idea
> how offensive that is? Sheesh.
>
----------------
I dealt with the Chinese one-on-one (face to face) in hundreds of
international transactions for over 15 years.
They are dishonest, evil, and without any morals or ethics, except one:
They consider it honorable to cheat a business associate.
It is, in their view, the highest of accomplishments to successfully
cheat someone in a business transaction. I did not invent or surmise
this from dealing with them. I was told this, in person, by a Chinese
man who, having learnt how we do business over here, was 'converted' to
our ethical form.
We try to extract every dime from a tranaction without 'going over the
edge' and cheating or lying. We have whole cadres of salespeople who DO
lie routinely... Car salesmen, insurance hawkers, and the like... and as
a society, we've categorized them in both society and literature as the
lowest-of-the-low.
The Chinese ALL deal that way, even among themselves, and consider it a
failing to NOT successfully lie and cheat their way through. And
similarly, instead of feeling they've been victimized, they consider it a
great personal failing if they succumb to being cheated. It's a 180-
degree reversal of our ethics.
So, don't talk to me about "respecting" Chinese. They're worthy of none
of it.
In addition, they have often expressed their goal of destroying then
taking over our economy. I suppose you would like that. I would not.
Lloyd
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@[email protected]> fired this volley in news:8N-
[email protected]:
> And how do you know he is honest?
> He told you he was.
No... there are a number of them, but it's a small percentage.
And no, he didn't "tell me", I ASKED him, because he was the only one of
about 20 vendors I dealt with who didn't try to lie his way through a
deal.
I know this will get poo-pooed on this group, but it might just have been
because he _also_ had converted to Christianity. <?>
I'm always curious when I see something shiny sticking out of a pile of
grey rock.
Lloyd
On 10/31/2013 7:04 PM, J Burns wrote:
> On 10/31/13 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Larger images:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
> 3013: the u-bolt suggests to me that one would draw it along the axis of
> the handle to slide the blade under something, then lift the handle to pry.
>
> I've never worked with wood shingles. I wonder if it could have been
> useful in removing a course of shingles.
I'm guessing it is something like a flencing knife.
--
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h/t Dagelijkse Standaard
On 11/2/2013 10:23 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2013-11-02, Larry Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> [clean up]
>>
>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill file.
>
> Which of the three newsgroups to which this is cross posted:
> rec.puzzles,
> rec.crafts.metalworking,
> rec.woodworking
>
> are you talking about? (This is one reason why I always mention what
> newsgroup I am posting my submissions from, to help make it clear that
> it is cross-posted.
Dint notice that until later--in most of (all of the other?) groups I
read, I block crossposting.
I have recently started reading puzzles.
Rec.crafts.metalworking has needed a killfile for
> various reasons for a number of years. (And "Stormin Mormon" is a
> regular in rcm , and is in *my* killfile for various reasons. )
I have long wished that the cabal had included the froup-being-read in
the headers--but I don't know NNTP well enough to know it that is even
possible.
Thanks for the info.
--
Idioten aangeboden. Gratis af te halen.
h/t Dagelijkse Standaard
On 11/5/2013 3:03 PM, J Burns wrote:
> On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> [clean up]
>>
>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill
>> file.
>>
> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
> Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
> stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>
> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
> launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
> _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
> should be treated differently? ;)
Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
(If it is Chinese, and says crap like that knowing that there are
round-eyes that will be offended, it is still rude, insensitive, and
stupid.)
I'm not Mormon either, but that is still rude, insensitive and stupid.
And I can not imagine any of the many Mormons I know saying something
like that.
--
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h/t Dagelijkse Standaard
On 11/6/2013 7:26 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> Stormin Mormon <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:%
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 11/5/2013 5:44 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
>
>> And then you call us round-eyes? You have any idea
>> how offensive that is? Sheesh.
My point exactly. (For the record, I am a mongrel with no clear
evidence of non-European ancestors--a "round eyes".
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h/t Dagelijkse Standaard
in 1560122 20131106 130020 Stormin Mormon <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/5/2013 7:50 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>
>>> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
>>> Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
>>> stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>>>
>>> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
>>> launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
>>> _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
>>> should be treated differently? ;)
>>
>> Well then from a VGA cord made in China
>> " Caution
>> Insert securely lest should be detached in SET"
>> Tech writers you just have to love em.
>> Mark
>>
>
>I guess it is based on who said it. When JFK called
>himself a jelly donut, we all smiled. When a China
>man says he "velly goodly" we all smile. When a black
>man describes his friend as a "good nig" we just
>let it slide. But, let a white, Christian American
>use some slang, and all hell breaks loose.
So JFK wasn't "a white, Christian American"?
3013 some kind of screen or sieve. Small stuff falls through holes in rotating screen, big stuff get carried to end. Separates wheat (or rice) from chaff?
3015 peep sights
3016 some kind of optical instrument, hard to tell what it does. Might determine the degree of rotation of polarized light in a sample. Might be used to determine the curvature of a lens.
On 11/5/2013 3:03 PM, J Burns wrote:
> On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> [clean up]
>>
>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill
>> file.
>>
> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
> Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
> stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>
> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
> launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
> _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
> should be treated differently? ;)
The trouble with political correctness is that it breeds a bunch of
pussies. One day when we have everything so that no ones feelings are
hurt France is going to invade and take over.
When political correctness was not such a "thing" we had a lot more respect.
On 10/31/2013 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>
>
> Rob
>
Posting from my desk top PC in yhe living room as always.
3013, Looks familiar, but can't place it. Might be a gasoline powered
fish washer.
3014, some kind of garden hoe?
3015, the eye peep hole makes me wonder if it's some kind of gun sight.
The military look makes me wonder if it's bomb robots like the use in
Afghanistan. I've seen a couple episodes of Bomb Patrol Afghanistan. I
have only respect for those deminers, I find that one terrifying job.
3016, some kind of microscope, or possibly refractometer?
3017, no clue.
3018, part of artificial horizon gage from airplane.
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:03:03 -0400, "Steve W." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Larger images:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>
>3015 - M4/M16 flat top 200-600 meter BUIS (pop it up if you need iron
>sights instead of optics)
Ayup
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>They've all been answered correctly this week:
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/10/set-517.html#answers
>Thanks everybody!
>Rob
.. 3017 the auto valve grinder / seater has me puzzled ..
... any further details or web links for how it's used ?
Could it be for other olden days valves .. ? water valves ?
Thanks ;
John T.
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:47:33 -0600, Larry Sheldon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/5/2013 4:07 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:
>
>> I have no problem with Stormin Mormon... ;>)}
>
>I'm sure it will appreciate (sure) the company in my filter.
Your prerogative but it's kinda childish to announce it, isn't it?
3015 Sights for a weapon, probably a mortar.
3018 Artificial Horizon I note the marking for Dive/Climb. In view of
the simple pedestal, perhaps for a trainer or as a classroom aid? Hard
to imagine if it is for a plane or a submarine.
On 10/31/2013 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>
>
> Rob
>
In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>
>3015 Sights for a weapon, probably a mortar.
You're right about them being sights but they aren't for mortars
>3018 Artificial Horizon I note the marking for Dive/Climb. In view of
>the simple pedestal, perhaps for a trainer or as a classroom aid? Hard
>to imagine if it is for a plane or a submarine.
Yes, this was described as being a "submarine diving gauge", but I don't
anything
more about it.
>item 3016 looks like a variation of what Wikipedia calls
> an Abbe refractometer
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_refractometer
> or a lensmeter:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensmeter
>
>There is a more common name for the device, but I can't think of it.
Good answer, the tag on this device says Lensometer.
In article <[email protected]>, mungedaddress says...
>
>3013: Sluice?
Nope
>3014: Axe?
Not exactly an axe but it's somewhat similar to one.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
>On Thursday, October 31, 2013 1:53:41 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
>> 3015 looks just to be a standard rear pop up iron sight. Looks like it has
Weaver mounts (as opposed to picatinny mounts.)
>>
>>
>>
>> They could fit on a very wide variety of rifles. The 2 adjustments are for
windage and elevation.
>
>Like Steve W said above, it'd certainly fit an M4/M16 series. Here's a link
showing something very similar.
>
>http://www.operationparts.com/Matech_AR_15_M16_Usgi_Backup_Iron_Sight_p/100-003-
702.htm
Yes, the one on my site is a Matech, part number OGU83.
In article <[email protected]>, Lloyd E.
Sponenburgh says...
>
>Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>Rob, sometimes responding to others' posts doesn't get to you, so..
>3013 is a seed cleaner.
>Lloyd
>
Seed cleaner is correct. Probably the reason that sometimes I don't see some
posts
is because occasionally people post to just one of the groups instead of all
three. I usually check all three but some weeks I don't have time and will just
check one of them. When a I read a post in one newsgroup it's not marked as
read
in the other two so it's can be time consuming to look for posts that are just
in
one group.
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 1:53:41 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
>>> 3015 looks just to be a standard rear pop up iron sight. Looks like it has
> Weaver mounts (as opposed to picatinny mounts.)
>>>
>>>
>>> They could fit on a very wide variety of rifles. The 2 adjustments are for
> windage and elevation.
>> Like Steve W said above, it'd certainly fit an M4/M16 series. Here's a link
> showing something very similar.
>> http://www.operationparts.com/Matech_AR_15_M16_Usgi_Backup_Iron_Sight_p/100-003-
> 702.htm
>
>
> Yes, the one on my site is a Matech, part number OGU83.
>
Yep, currently the sight fitted to the M4 used in the sandbox. I have
the same sight on two of my flat tops.
--
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On 10/31/13 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>
>
> Rob
>
3013: the u-bolt suggests to me that one would draw it along the axis of
the handle to slide the blade under something, then lift the handle to
pry.
I've never worked with wood shingles. I wonder if it could have been
useful in removing a course of shingles.
> On 10/31/13 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Larger images:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
#3014 Tool for "processing" chickens
#3016 Tools for helping to cut gems/jewelry (I see a small sword or
knife in the background as a clue)
Bill
On 10/31/13 11:20 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2013-10-31, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>>>
>>> 3015 Sights for a weapon, probably a mortar.
>>
>> You're right about them being sights but they aren't for mortars
>>
>>> 3018 Artificial Horizon I note the marking for Dive/Climb. In view of
>>> the simple pedestal, perhaps for a trainer or as a classroom aid? Hard
>>> to imagine if it is for a plane or a submarine.
>>
>> Yes, this was described as being a "submarine diving gauge", but I don't
>> anything
>> more about it.
>
> I would not expect a submarine to dive or climb that steeply. I
> believe it is for aircraft -- and as I just mentioned, because of the
> mounting I suspect that it is a demo device, or a manufacturer's
> desktop give-away (to congressmen and the like).
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>
Aw, you got me curious, Don!
<http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/more-furniture-collectibles/nautical-objects/submarine-diving-gauge/id-f_785612/>
On 11/1/13 12:01 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> 3018 - a couple of folks have commented that it is a submarine
> attitude indicator, and even provided the website selling it as
> such.
>
> It's not. It is the interior 'ball' of an aircraft attitude
> indicator, with some additional lines either painted or taped on.
> It's set up as a display, and wouldn't be functional without its
> gyroscopic stabilization.
>
> Submarines, both old and new use inclinometers to measure bow and
> stern angle. Below are some examples. The really old ones used
> curved bubble tubes to measure angle, and the more modern one's use a
> gauge to show bow and stern angle (the pie wedged shaped instrument)
>
> http://www.djibnet.com/photo/hydroplanes/the-fore-and-aft-hydroplane-operating-positions-in-the-wwii-design-british-submarine-hms-alliance-5357005038.html
>
> http://www.perch-base.org/Glossary/Graphics/uss-toledo-helm.jpg
>
> Below is a link to an aircraft attitude indicator similar in design,
> showing the 'box' surrounding the 'ball' that is part of the gyro
> stabalizers for the instrument.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astronautics-Corp-of-America-Attitude-Indicator-for-F-16-actual-Aircraft-Instr-/231081776194
>
The mystery item doesn't look like an aircraft indicator. It's from
Trilogy Antiques and Design. Where else would a submarine commander
shop for a nicknack to impress other captains! He'd stick it to his
desk with duck tape! (I'm told "duct tape" isn't the proper name for the
general-purpose tape.)
>
> Hmmm ... you need a better newsreader. The ones which I use (in
>unix systems where usenet news had its origin) mark all instances of a
>cross-posted article as read when you read in one newsgroup.
I'm currently using the Newsguy.com on line news reader, which I started using
after getting errors in my previous reader, but I agree that I'll have to find a
better one sometime soon.
>Submarines, both old and new use inclinometers to measure bow and stern ang=
>le. Below are some examples. The really old ones used curved bubble tubes=
> to measure angle, and the more modern one's use a gauge to show bow and st=
>ern angle (the pie wedged shaped instrument)
>
>http://www.djibnet.com/photo/hydroplanes/the-fore-and-aft-hydroplane-operat=
>ing-positions-in-the-wwii-design-british-submarine-hms-alliance-5357005038.=
>html
>
>http://www.perch-base.org/Glossary/Graphics/uss-toledo-helm.jpg
>
>Below is a link to an aircraft attitude indicator similar in design, showin=
>g the 'box' surrounding the 'ball' that is part of the gyro stabalizers for=
> the instrument.
>
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astronautics-Corp-of-America-Attitude-Indicator-for=
>-F-16-actual-Aircraft-Instr-/231081776194
Thanks for the links, I agree that it's probably not for submarines, though I do
think it's for training or display purposes since the ball is around 7" diameter
and the one in your last link is about 2" diameter. Also as Lloyd mentioned the
tape wouldn't do well in a working device.
They've all been answered correctly this week:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/10/set-517.html#answers
Thanks everybody!
Rob
On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:26:18 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>Stormin Mormon <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:%
>[email protected]:
>
>> On 11/5/2013 5:44 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
>
>> And then you call us round-eyes? You have any idea
>> how offensive that is? Sheesh.
>>
>----------------
>I dealt with the Chinese one-on-one (face to face) in hundreds of
>international transactions for over 15 years.
>
>They are dishonest, evil, and without any morals or ethics, except one:
> They consider it honorable to cheat a business associate.
>
>It is, in their view, the highest of accomplishments to successfully
>cheat someone in a business transaction. I did not invent or surmise
>this from dealing with them. I was told this, in person, by a Chinese
>man who, having learnt how we do business over here, was 'converted' to
>our ethical form.
>
>We try to extract every dime from a tranaction without 'going over the
>edge' and cheating or lying. We have whole cadres of salespeople who DO
>lie routinely... Car salesmen, insurance hawkers, and the like... and as
>a society, we've categorized them in both society and literature as the
>lowest-of-the-low.
>
>The Chinese ALL deal that way, even among themselves, and consider it a
>failing to NOT successfully lie and cheat their way through. And
>similarly, instead of feeling they've been victimized, they consider it a
>great personal failing if they succumb to being cheated. It's a 180-
>degree reversal of our ethics.
>
>So, don't talk to me about "respecting" Chinese. They're worthy of none
>of it.
>
>In addition, they have often expressed their goal of destroying then
>taking over our economy. I suppose you would like that. I would not.
>
>Lloyd
Unfortunately...Lloyd nailed it in the x ring. Well stated
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On 11/6/2013 1:01 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:50:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>> That could explain a bit about the US economic policy.
>> After all, don't the Chinese own a few bling in US
>> bonds? Wonder what they are doing to US politicians
>> in closed rooms?
>
> Buying them.
>
Wonder if the Chinese make our pols do the
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:52:59 -0600, Larry Sheldon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/6/2013 7:26 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> Stormin Mormon <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:%
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> On 11/5/2013 5:44 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rude, insensitive, and stupid know no boundaries.
>>
>>> And then you call us round-eyes? You have any idea
>>> how offensive that is? Sheesh.
>
>My point exactly. (For the record, I am a mongrel with no clear
>evidence of non-European ancestors--a "round eyes".
Im not even "white" yet the Left tries to use me for a punching bag
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:50:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/6/2013 8:26 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> ----------------
>> I dealt with the Chinese one-on-one (face to face) in hundreds of
>> international transactions for over 15 years.
>>
>> They are dishonest, evil, and without any morals or ethics, except one:
>> They consider it honorable to cheat a business associate.
>>
>> It is, in their view, the highest of accomplishments to successfully
>> cheat someone in a business transaction. I did not invent or surmise
>> this from dealing with them. I was told this, in person, by a Chinese
>> man who, having learnt how we do business over here, was 'converted' to
>> our ethical form.
>>
>> We try to extract every dime from a tranaction without 'going over the
>> edge' and cheating or lying. We have whole cadres of salespeople who DO
>> lie routinely... Car salesmen, insurance hawkers, and the like... and as
>> a society, we've categorized them in both society and literature as the
>> lowest-of-the-low.
>>
>> The Chinese ALL deal that way, even among themselves, and consider it a
>> failing to NOT successfully lie and cheat their way through. And
>> similarly, instead of feeling they've been victimized, they consider it a
>> great personal failing if they succumb to being cheated. It's a 180-
>> degree reversal of our ethics.
>>
>> So, don't talk to me about "respecting" Chinese. They're worthy of none
>> of it.
>>
>> In addition, they have often expressed their goal of destroying then
>> taking over our economy. I suppose you would like that. I would not.
>>
>> Lloyd
>>
>
>That could explain a bit about the US economic policy.
>After all, don't the Chinese own a few bling in US
>bonds? Wonder what they are doing to US politicians
>in closed rooms?
Buying them.
>Rob, this:
>this is a submarine diving gauge, though a lot of people have suggested
>that it was probably an altitude indicator ....
>
>No... "ATTITUDE" indicator! <G>
>
>And just a quibble... it's NOT an attitude indicator. It's a
>demonstration MODEL of an attitude indicator, for teaching and display
>purposes, but having no function of its own.
>
>Lloyd
Yes, my wording was not the best in this answer, maybe I need to hire an editor.
Thanks for the help.
Rob
On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:41:53 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/6/2013 1:01 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:50:49 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>>> That could explain a bit about the US economic policy.
>>> After all, don't the Chinese own a few bling in US
>>> bonds? Wonder what they are doing to US politicians
>>> in closed rooms?
>>
>> Buying them.
>>
>
>Wonder if the Chinese make our pols do the
>chicken dance, and other ammusing skits?
They do that for free, anytime there is a TV camera nearby.
On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> [clean up]
>
> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill file.
>
I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
_not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
should be treated differently? ;)
"J Burns" <
> wrote in message On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> [clean up]
>>
>> Never would have guessed that a group like this
>> one would need a kill file.
>>
> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon.
> Suppose he were Chinese. (I'm not saying he
> _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to stereotype
> _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>
> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in
> terrible taste to tell him to launder his humor.
> If you found fault with him because you assumed
> he's _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the
> prejudice that Chinese people should be treated
> differently? ;)
I have no problem with Stormin Mormon... ;>)}
On 2013-10-31, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
3013) Looks like a device for separating seed from chaff -- perhaps
wheat, perhaps some other grain.
3014) Sorry -- no guess on this one.
3015) Hmm ... I think that it is a rear peep sight for a rifle.
The scale on the arc on the left is to adjust elevation for range.
3016) Well ... first off, a microscope (with some intersting fine focus
knobs, I think.)
The degrees scale near the bottom suggests that it is for use
with polarized light, which suggests to me that it is likely for
crystallographic purposes.
The label is rather badly pixellated by the limitations of jpeg
compression, but it looks as though it reads "American
Optical", a long time maker of microscopes.
3017) At a guess, something intended to rotate a sample of some sort
for inspection or for work on it.
3018) This appears to be the ball from an ADI (Attitude Director
Indicator) from an aircraft (or a similar one by another name,
including "artificial horizon".
The ball is held behind a glass in an instrument in the panel.
It rotates around the axis it is shown mounted on to indicate a
dive (black side fills more of the window) or a climb (white
side fills more of the window.) Note the broken words "CLI MB"
in the white half (at about 45 degrees climb angle), and "DI VE"
in the black half, again at 45 degrees dive angle.
It is also tilted from left to right to indicate tilting of the
aircraft.
The ADI which I knew in a flight simulator for the LTV A7-A also
had compass directions around the equator, and would also rotate
on that axis as well.
At a guess -- this was a give-away by a manufacturer of such
instruments, to call attention to their product lines. It would
certainly not be mounted on such a base in a real aircraft
instrument.
Now to post this and then see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2013-10-31, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>>
>>3015 Sights for a weapon, probably a mortar.
>
> You're right about them being sights but they aren't for mortars
>
>>3018 Artificial Horizon I note the marking for Dive/Climb. In view of
>>the simple pedestal, perhaps for a trainer or as a classroom aid? Hard
>>to imagine if it is for a plane or a submarine.
>
> Yes, this was described as being a "submarine diving gauge", but I don't
> anything
> more about it.
I would not expect a submarine to dive or climb that steeply. I
believe it is for aircraft -- and as I just mentioned, because of the
mounting I suspect that it is a demo device, or a manufacturer's
desktop give-away (to congressmen and the like).
Enjoy,
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On 2013-10-31, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Lloyd E.
> Sponenburgh says...
>>
>>Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>Rob, sometimes responding to others' posts doesn't get to you, so..
>>3013 is a seed cleaner.
>>Lloyd
>>
>
> Seed cleaner is correct. Probably the reason that sometimes I don't see some
> posts
> is because occasionally people post to just one of the groups instead of all
> three. I usually check all three but some weeks I don't have time and will just
> check one of them. When a I read a post in one newsgroup it's not marked as
> read
> in the other two so it's can be time consuming to look for posts that are just
> in
> one group.
Hmmm ... you need a better newsreader. The ones which I use (in
unix systems where usenet news had its origin) mark all instances of a
cross-posted article as read when you read in one newsgroup.
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On 2013-11-01, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/31/13 11:20 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>> On 2013-10-31, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>> Yes, this was described as being a "submarine diving gauge", but I don't
>>> anything
>>> more about it.
>>
>> I would not expect a submarine to dive or climb that steeply. I
>> believe it is for aircraft -- and as I just mentioned, because of the
>> mounting I suspect that it is a demo device, or a manufacturer's
>> desktop give-away (to congressmen and the like).
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> DoN.
>>
> Aw, you got me curious, Don!
><http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/more-furniture-collectibles/nautical-objects/submarine-diving-gauge/id-f_785612/>
This shows that the seller *believes* it to be a submarine diving
gauge, but I see significant problems with that.
1) The ends of the axles appear to simply go through holes in the
gimbal, with just a thin washer between the ball and the gimbal
to minimize friction and wear on the painted surface of the
ball.
2) Thus no gearing inside to allow reversing the direction of ball
tilt vs base tilt. (And something for use in a submarine would
not be set on a desktop platform base, which would slide at the
more extreme tilts.) (I would actually expect it to be mounted
in an instrument enclosure similar to that for aircraft
instruments.
3) So -- a weight at the center of the bottom would cause the
indication to be "climb" (white top towards you) when it was
actually a "dive".
Note that the aircraft instruments don't depend on weights to
cause the tilt. They are driven via servo motors and synchro
feedback and the direction of tilt is easily changed by the
wiring of the synchros used for position feedback. The signal
comes from the gyro stable platform used for all the navigation
instruments, which is located someplace safe in the body of the
aircraft.
4) Note the radial lines coming from the intersection of the
horizon and the vertical climb-dive scale. This is used to
indicate the tilt from side to side. And there is no provision
in the mounting of this to allow it to rotate in that direction.
Yes -- there *are* early artificial horizons which don't depend
on a remote gyro -- I have a couple in my collection which have
*built-in* gyros. One has the gyro spun by air sucked from the cockpit
and exhausted through a venturi similar to that which also provides
airspeed information. The other has a gyro spun by 115 VAC, three
phase, 400 Hz. Both of those are prior to the use of a ball (easier to
drive form the servos). Instead, there are mechanical linkages which
move a horizon line up or down the same way that the horizon on the
balls are designed to work. The horizon line goes up when in a dive --
just as the visible horizon goes up as seen through the windshield in a
dive. (Assuming visibility is good enough to allow the horizon to be seen
-- the major reason for artificial horizons being poor visibility. :-)
And actually, the one in the puzzle and the web-based sale (I
believe they are the same photo, actually) -- assuming that it is
sitting on a horizontal desk -- if it were working on weights it should
be indicating horizontal travel, instead of showing a dive. So this can
be set by hand to indicate whatever you want, and it will stay there.
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On 2013-11-01, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmm ... you need a better newsreader. The ones which I use (in
>>unix systems where usenet news had its origin) mark all instances of a
>>cross-posted article as read when you read in one newsgroup.
>
>
> I'm currently using the Newsguy.com on line news reader, which I started using
> after getting errors in my previous reader, but I agree that I'll have to find a
> better one sometime soon.
Hmm ... perhaps a pointer in their newsgroup could get that
modification made to their online newsreader. (I've never used it,
though I've used Newsguy for quite a while -- with my newsreaders in my
systems connecting to their news servers.
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On 2013-11-01, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> J Burns <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:l50otc$lj1$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>>> It's not. It is the interior 'ball' of an aircraft attitude
>>> indicator, with some additional lines either painted or taped on.
>>> It's set up as a display, and wouldn't be functional without its
>>> gyroscopic stabilization.
>>>
>
> I said that the FIRST day this new group came out. None of the balls in
> any aircraft I have flown had the lines stuck on with drafting tape!
No argument there.
> (I mentioned that, and it was also not accepted).
>
> What, I wonder, would happen to the otherwise delicate gimbles in a gyro
gimbals?
> if pieces of plastic tape started clogging up the works?
Since in any of the instruments with the balls like this, the
gyros are not present in the instrument box, but instead are part of the
three-gyro "stable platform" elsewhere in the aircraft, with signals
sent to the ball via synchro signals (selsyns), and servo motors
rotating the ball to zero out the error signal from the synchros. So
the tape would not be getting into the gyros, and hopefully an aircraft
new enough to use the ball style instrument would also have duplicate
instruments for pilot and co-pilot, so there would be something to trust
in that situation.
However, what I believe is that the ball, mounted on its display
pedestal, was used to demonstrate someone's idea of additional markings
on the ball to a study group, and was never intended to be mounted in an
instrument. The added tapes were *only* to indicate the bank in
increments of 30 degrees, and everything else was the original painted
ball. (Probably silk-screened at a guess.) And usually the instrument
has a pointer at the bottom which moves against a bank scale in the body
of the instrument.
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On 2013-11-01, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Submarines, both old and new use inclinometers to measure bow and stern ang=
>>le. Below are some examples. The really old ones used curved bubble tubes=
>> to measure angle, and the more modern one's use a gauge to show bow and st=
>>ern angle (the pie wedged shaped instrument)
[ ... ]
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astronautics-Corp-of-America-Attitude-Indicator-for=
>>-F-16-actual-Aircraft-Instr-/231081776194
>
>
> Thanks for the links, I agree that it's probably not for submarines, though I do
> think it's for training or display purposes since the ball is around 7" diameter
> and the one in your last link is about 2" diameter. Also as Lloyd mentioned the
> tape wouldn't do well in a working device.
Well ... the one in the link looks very much like one which I
have, and one of the two in the A7-A simulator which I helped build. It
is closer to 2-1/2" as a full ball, though only about 2" visible through
the front window. I also have one at 4" which is closer to the one
which I described before. The flight simulator (and presumably the
actual aircraft) had in the center of the instrument panel the larger
one which included the compass around the equator, (thus three axis),
and the smaller one was just capable dive and bank indication, and it
was mounted in the upper right area of the instrument panel. And based
on the capabilities of the instructor's panel, and having been in the
pilot's seat (no co-pilot on this aircraft) when the switches were used,
it is nice to have a secondary indicator when the primary one starts
rolling on one or perhaps all three axes, depending on what synchro
feedback lines were opened. :-)
I agree that a full 7" one is a bit large.
O.K. This stite shows a slightly different version of the A7-A,
the "A-7 1 7" apparently.
<http://aviation.watergeek.eu/images/a-7/a-7_1_7.jpg>
with the larger ADI (Attitude Director Indicator) -- 16 -- top center as
before -- above the HIS (Horizontal Situation Indicator) - 8 -- and the
secondary one (Standby attitude indicator)
Enjoy,
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On 2013-11-01, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
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>
>> the
>> gyros are not present in the instrument box, but instead are part of
> the
>> three-gyro "stable platform" elsewhere in the aircraft, with signals
>> sent to the ball via synchro signals (selsyns), and servo motors
>> rotating the ball to zero out the error signal from the synchros. So
>> the tape would not be getting into the gyros, and hopefully an aircraft
>> new enough to use the ball style instrument would also have duplicate
>> instruments for pilot and co-pilot, so there would be something to
> trust
>> in that situation.
>>
>
> Don, you obviously have no experience in light aircraft.
Where did I say that I did? The only aircraft which I have
mentioned is the Navy's A7-a, which I helped my employer build
simulators for, and the SH-1A sub hunter helicopter, whose
instrumentation I did not really notice that much, because I was never
in a position to "fly" one of those.
> Not in order, but first: WHAT friggin' CO-PILOT? Have you ever even been
> in a light plane?
Yes -- but never as pilot. And last back in the mid 1960s, so
the instrumentation has probably changed. But the "ball" in the puzzle
has the military look other than the taped on bank lines.
And I have been pilot in a simulator for the Navy's A7-a, which
had no room for anything other than a pilot. But it had a backup
Attitude indicator, the 2-1/2" one called the "Standby Attitude
Indicator". This again was in the 1960s. These days, military aircraft
are mostly using electronic instruments on a display panel. I hope that
the panels are reliable. :-)
While the A7-a had no room for another human, it had room (on
the outside) for lots of things which go "BOOM"!. :-)
I'm talking about *military* aircraft, which are more likely to
have the ball type ADIs. I did mention that I had a couple of examples
of meters which had built-in gyros -- one pneumatic, and one 115 VAC 400
hz 3-phase. And both of those were built for larger aircraft, too, not
for light aircraft. And neither of those has the ball type display. Do
you have ones with the ball type display for small aircraft? The 400 Hz
one I acquired back in 1960, along with a radio compass. I could run
one of them at a time -- because the three-phase stator on one was
burned out, but the stators could be swapped between the two instruments
to make one or the other work.
> Second, but first on your list: Bullcrap! There's no room in a small,
> single-engine plane for "instrumentation platforms". Those attitude
> indicators are self-contained, behind-the-dash, panel-mount jobs.
Not the *military* ones. They are part of the "inertial
navigation system", which includes the "stable platform", the ADI, the
compass (exclusive of the "whiskey compass", and the HSI (Horizontal
Situation Indicator) -- *and* the autopilot.
My first experience with the ADI was when I was asked to climb
into the cockpit, take it up to 20,000 feet and switch on the "attitude
hold". I did so, and watched the ADI slowly rotate until the display
was all black, indicating that the autopilot had a suicidal
characteristic. (They still had some programming to straighten out. :-)
It was back when they needed to run two minicomputers to keep up with
all the calculations needed.
Have *you* ever been in military aircraft -- or simulators for
them? This includes military single-engine jet aircraft, such as the
A7-a, made by LTV.
> The "something to trust" is the physical horizon, or your WORST-reading
> instrument, if you're flying under IFR.
Again -- I'm talking about *military* aircraft, which is the
only place where *I* have encountered ball type ADIs or ASIs. And in
those, the indicators are driven from remote electronics and "stable
platforms". (Three gyros at 90 degrees to each other with gimbals for
all three axes.)
> GEESH!
> Lloyd
So -- you know light aircraft. The only one I knew was co-owned
by a friend and about three other people, and it had no such instruments
at all. It was VFR only, and again in the mid 1960s.
I know certain military aircraft from about the same period,
from working to build simulators for them.
Different worlds.
And I still don't believe that the puzzle ball is from a sub.
(Nor do I believe that it was in a working instrument, so the presence
of tape was not that important.
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On 2013-11-02, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
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>> Have *you* ever been in military aircraft -- or simulators for
>> them? This includes military single-engine jet aircraft, such as the
>> A7-a, made by LTV.
>>
>
> Um... yeah! Actually FLYING them...(I mean the real aircraft, not the GE
> and Link Plastic Puke Generators)... I've flown several simulators, but
> I've never physically flown a jet, only recips or turbo-props.
>
> You?
Nope -- just the simulator (and a few minutes at the controls of
an already at stable altitude single-engined plane which my friend was
officially flying.
And the simulators were made by Melpar, not link nor GE. These
were not designed to shake you up, they were designed to train you on
how to use *all* of the controls and instruments in the aircraft.
(FWIW, the test pilot for the real A7-A tried our simulator, and said
that it felt and performed just like the real aircraft.) The only
motion was hydraulics to shake the cockpit when the air brakes were
deployed, and at other times when vibration was expected.
It also included the coupling to inflate the G-suit when the Gs
reached the proper level. And a slam-down face shield for when a Nuke
went off in the field of view.
When you "crashed" (several possibilities, including excess
positive Gs excess negative Gs, rate of descent, and terrain intersect
(e.g. the instructor programmed a mountain in front of you), two things
happened:
1) A bright red light flashed behind the instrument panel,
reflecting off the canopy.
2) A *big* electric bell (about 8" diameter) mounted just
behind your helmet on the back of the ejection seat)
would ring.
The amount of electronics dedicated to making the sounds right
was amazing. Many voltage controlled oscillators summed to make the
pitch contributions of all the gears in the turbines, as well as the
hydraulic pump, turbulent air, and lots of other things which I don't
know the supposed origin of. :-)
Enjoy,
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On 2013-11-02, Larry Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> [clean up]
>
> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill file.
Which of the three newsgroups to which this is cross posted:
rec.puzzles,
rec.crafts.metalworking,
rec.woodworking
are you talking about? (This is one reason why I always mention what
newsgroup I am posting my submissions from, to help make it clear that
it is cross-posted. Rec.crafts.metalworking has needed a killfile for
various reasons for a number of years. (And "Stormin Mormon" is a
regular in rcm , and is in *my* killfile for various reasons. )
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On 2013-11-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
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>
>> And the simulators were made by Melpar, not link nor GE.
>
> Don, the simulators YOU are familiar with might have been. I lived almost
> within shouting distance of the GE simulator facility in Daytona Beach for
> ten years. I got a lot of my early digital logic design experience on
> their discards, which were auctioned off every few months.
O.K.
> They had something like 4000 employees dedicated to design and construction
> of jet aircraft simulators, with full 3D visuals. During the 70s and 80s,
> they were building 3D graphics systems the technologies (and math) of which
> wouldn't be on the commercial market for another 15 years.
A little bit later than my experience. Mine was in the mid
1960s. There were supposed to be really fancy graphics for this
simulator, but they were being made by another contractor (perhaps even
GE). While we had it, the canopy was painted with a pealable frosted
coating to protect it, since we had nothing but the room and the
electronics to look at. What I remember being describes was cameras on
gantrys over terrain models. I think that was a bit to early for there
to be enough CPU power for 3D graphics. It took two minicomputers to
keep up with the avionics and the sound simulation. (And a lot of the
sound simulation was a stack of precision pots on a servo representing
the engine RPM, with each pot feeding a VCO (voltage controlled
oscillator) to generate the various sound components. The same servo
also ran a synchro to feed to the tach on the instrument panel. Many
similar servos (but with less complex pot stacks) generated the axis
information for the ADI, the compass, and who knows what else in the
instrument panel. (Later, I used to see in industrial electronics
magazines modules which would generate the synchro and resolver signals
directly from computer input, but those were not present at that early
date, so tons of servo motors driving synchros and resolvers.) With
faster computers, they could probably have done without the panel full
of servos. (I think that there were two racks full of 24 servo modules
each. :-)
> I took a college math course from their head mathematician, Marvin Bunker,
> in the early 1970s. He was so smart, he couldn't talk in proper English.
> He actually THOUGHT in his own Tensor Notation! GE had a team of 4 PhD
> mathematicians following him around all day just to write down what he
> said!
Sounds like an amazing man.
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1873&dat=19831111
> &id=Z9shAAAAIBAJ&sjid=v58FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4841,7135817
I can't zoom in enough to actually read the article. :-)
> Neat memories... but back to track, here. Yes, GE made very sophisticated
> jet, helicopter, and tank simulators back then.
O.K. Melpar (my employer) made their simulators for the Navy --
both the A7-A (carrier-based folding wing jet "light attack" aircraft),
and the SH-6A (Sub hunting helicopter, with a separate room for the
sonar crew as well as the pilot and co-pilot.)
I keep collecting instruments with the thought of someday
building a computer to drive all the instruments as part of a simulator.
Most of the ones which I have (exclusive of the 400Hz internal gyro and
the pneumatic internal gyro) do take synchro and resolver signals to
handle their display functions, as they were built to run from the
stable platform elsewhere in the aircraft.
Enjoy,
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On 2013-11-04, Larry Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/2/2013 10:23 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>> On 2013-11-02, Larry Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>> [clean up]
>>>
>>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill file.
>>
>> Which of the three newsgroups to which this is cross posted:
[ ... ]
> Dint notice that until later--in most of (all of the other?) groups I
> read, I block crossposting.
Understood. I do the same, though I make an exception for the
puzzle questions, which show up weekly.
> I have recently started reading puzzles.
O.K. So that is where you are reading it from.
This cross-posting makes sense, given the nature of most of the
things presented as puzzle item.
> Rec.crafts.metalworking has needed a killfile for
>> various reasons for a number of years. (And "Stormin Mormon" is a
>> regular in rcm , and is in *my* killfile for various reasons. )
>
> I have long wished that the cabal had included the froup-being-read in
> the headers--but I don't know NNTP well enough to know it that is even
> possible.
Certainly it is *possible*. All they had to do is to define the
header and make its use mandatory. :-) And that could have been done
even before NNTP came into the game -- back when all of usenet was
transported by uucp. If it were there, I could stop adding my own
"replying in" in the body. :-) I am curious as to which percentage of
the correct answers come from the readers of which newsgroups.
And -- it could easily be implemented -- on a "newsreader by
newsreader" basis, by just setting a header like "X-Followup-In: ".
But until it is mandatory to be in *all* newsreaders (including
the e-mail clients and browsers pretending to be newsreaders), it is not
likely to be common, or even valid. Too easy to forge.
It would be really nice for filtering, when you know that the
most offensive articles are cross-posted from certain newsgroups
(usually which don't have any reasonable linkage to the one in which I
am reading them. :-)
> Thanks for the info.
You're welcome.
Good Luck,
DoN.
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:03:28 -0500, J Burns <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 11/2/13 7:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 11/2/2013 5:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> [clean up]
>>
>> Never would have guessed that a group like this one would need a kill file.
>>
>I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
>Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
>stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>
>But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
>launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
>_not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
>should be treated differently? ;)
Well then from a VGA cord made in China
" Caution
Insert securely lest should be detached in SET"
Tech writers you just have to love em.
Mark
On 11/1/2013 4:57 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> Submarines, both old and new use inclinometers to measure bow and stern ang=
>> le. Below are some examples. The really old ones used curved bubble tubes=
>> to measure angle, and the more modern one's use a gauge to show bow and st=
>> ern angle (the pie wedged shaped instrument)
>>
>> http://www.djibnet.com/photo/hydroplanes/the-fore-and-aft-hydroplane-operat=
>> ing-positions-in-the-wwii-design-british-submarine-hms-alliance-5357005038.=
>> html
>>
>> http://www.perch-base.org/Glossary/Graphics/uss-toledo-helm.jpg
>>
>> Below is a link to an aircraft attitude indicator similar in design, showin=
>> g the 'box' surrounding the 'ball' that is part of the gyro stabalizers for=
>> the instrument.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astronautics-Corp-of-America-Attitude-Indicator-for=
>> -F-16-actual-Aircraft-Instr-/231081776194
>
>
> Thanks for the links, I agree that it's probably not for submarines, though I do
> think it's for training or display purposes since the ball is around 7" diameter
> and the one in your last link is about 2" diameter. Also as Lloyd mentioned the
> tape wouldn't do well in a working device.
>
>
> They've all been answered correctly this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/10/set-517.html#answers
>
> Thanks everybody!
>
> Rob
>
Got one... better than some weeks. Thanks for
the recreation. I enjoy your pages.
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:07:48 -0400, Alexander Thesoso
<[email protected]> wrote:
> 3015 Sights for a weapon, probably a mortar.
>
> 3018 Artificial Horizon I note the marking for Dive/Climb. In view of
> the simple pedestal, perhaps for a trainer or as a classroom aid? Hard
> to imagine if it is for a plane or a submarine.
>
> On 10/31/2013 4:10 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> > This week's set has been posted:
> >
> > http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Larger images:
> >
> > http://imgur.com/a/vDiuG
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
item 3016 looks like a variation of what Wikipedia calls
an Abbe refractometer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_refractometer
or a lensmeter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensmeter
There is a more common name for the device, but I can't think of it.
On 11/5/2013 7:50 PM, Markem wrote:
>>
>> I, for one, would like to defend Stormin Mormon. Suppose he were
>> Chinese. (I'm not saying he _is_ Chinese because I do not wish to
>> stereotype _all_ Chinese people as being just like him.)
>>
>> But if he _were_ Chinese, it would be in terrible taste to tell him to
>> launder his humor. If you found fault with him because you assumed he's
>> _not_ Chinese, doesn't that reinforce the prejudice that Chinese people
>> should be treated differently? ;)
>
> Well then from a VGA cord made in China
> " Caution
> Insert securely lest should be detached in SET"
> Tech writers you just have to love em.
> Mark
>
I guess it is based on who said it. When JFK called
himself a jelly donut, we all smiled. When a China
man says he "velly goodly" we all smile. When a black
man describes his friend as a "good nig" we just
let it slide. But, let a white, Christian American
use some slang, and all hell breaks loose.
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