Hi,
The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
but you can tell the shape:
http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
+ $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
Aaron Fude
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> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
> Aaron Fude
Do you just want to buy the moulding or how to make it?
Dave
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[email protected] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
If it was me, I'd probably just take down the old stuff and put all new
crown in the entire room.
The only other option is to bite the bullet and pay the custom kniving
charges.
I don't have a lot of confidence in trying to buy router bits and
duplicate it on a router table. The odds of you getting a good match
are very small.
If you want a perfect match call the service desk at an established
lumber yard (NOT a "big-box" like HD) and ask for the name of the
nearest "custom millwork" shop. (If you happen to live in Chicago, I
use Skokie Millwork, 847-673-7868)
If they give you the name of a "custom cabinet" shop instead, that
shop will likely know who does millwork
When you find them, hanging on their wall will be *hundreds* - perhaps
thousands - of custom shaper knives they have made over the years,
likely one will be very close to your profile.
They will charge your a setup fee, maybe an minumum job fee, and
materials, and run a few feet if you need it or ten-thousand feet if
you want it - and if you want to pay a additional fee, they will
custom grind a knife from a sample of your molding.
Michael Thomas
Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
Chicago, IL
mdt@paragoninspectsDOTcom
847-475-5668
Go and visit you local tech school with a sample piece and ask them if
they could make you the footage you need. You may end up buying them a
tool or two in barter and furnishing your own lumber but a lot of times
it works out well.
All the ones I have seen are always strapped for supplies.
[email protected] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
You might be able to make a satisfactory section using a shaped template and
some sort of patching plaster or similar material. You can mark and cut the
template from the cut edge of the old molding. The new section could be
built up with wood or foam in the back.
A piece of similar molding might be modified by building up or trimming down
where needed. Sometimes you can add on a small strip of wood and use a
router to shape it as needed. Foam is pretty easy to shape with sharp or hot
tools. Anything you make will take quite a bit of work and some skill. A
friend with woodcarving or craft skills might have some better ideas.
Don Young
<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
You've had a few suggestions, here's mine.
From the picture, it looks like a large ogee moulding with the addition of a
strip of inside quarter round and then something similar to a 2"x3" backer
piece of wood for spacing. Inside quarter round is readily available as well
as router bits to cut it. So, all you really need to do is buy or create the
large ogee section. Should be relatively easy to route with a single
suitable bit, with several passes needed for each curve. I'd cut off a
section of the moulding and take to the store to match it up with suitable
router bits.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&p=30188&cat=1,46168
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&p=30187&cat=1,46168
Look at this website:
http://www.centralfairbank.com/catalog.php?cid=6
Moulding # 323 is very close. Probably not close enough to butt end to end,
but either to replace what you have or to use in a location that does not
touch the existing moulding. Pull some of the old stuff off and replace with
new, use what you pull off to patch into other areas where it will butt end
to end.
The down side. This outfit is in Toronto, Canada. It may take a day trip
from where you are to get it. But it is not that far and will be cheaper
than having it custom made. Plus you will help the flagging tourist industry
in Toronto as well.
I have used their mouldings. Managed to perfectly match a 50 year old
moulding on a job I was working on.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
On 24 Jul 2006 19:06:33 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
>in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
>to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
>like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
>but you can tell the shape:
This looks like an old-style molding that I've seen in older houses.
You might look around to see if there are any older homes being
demolished in your area or if you can find a construction company that
does demolition and salvage. They may be able to come up with what
you are looking for.
Another suggestion might be robbing the molding from somewhere else in
the house (to patch the more visible areas) and replacing the robbed
pieces with newer available molding. Crown comes in various sizes so
you should be able to come close to the same size even though the new
profile may be slightly different.
That old style molding was usually nailed from the top but newer
molding has the back removed to save material. It normally nails from
the front. You can add a nailing strip to the top of the existing
header and attach the new molding to that to achieve the same look.
As has been suggested, you could have knives cut to match but you
could probably replace all the molding with new for what the knives
will cost.
Mike O.
"Al Bundy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote in news:1153793193.035264.276830
> @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit
>> built
>> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
>> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I
>> would
>> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
>> but you can tell the shape:
Duplicate it as close as you can. The cove part is easy enough.
Match the ogee with a router bit profile that gets close. Replace the
entire closet's worth.
I've been replicating interior door and window casing treatments in
a 1923 Montrose house here in Houston. It turned out to be a two-part
deal, one for the cove and one for the ogee.
--
"New Wave" Dave In Houston
[email protected] wrote in news:1153793193.035264.276830
@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
The moulding looks like it could be made with two or more different bits each
cutting a differnt area. I have made some interesting picture frames that
way.
[email protected] wrote in news:1153793193.035264.276830
@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
Just replace it all. Considering total time (research, travel, etc),
custom make costs, price of gas, etc, it will be less expensive. If you
are trying to maintain originality, well, that's the cost to do that.
"New Wave Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in news:L5Lxg.9149$Cn6.3830
@tornado.texas.rr.com:
>
> "Al Bundy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote in news:1153793193.035264.276830
>> @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit
>>> built
>>> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
>>> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I
>>> would
>>> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
>>> but you can tell the shape:
>
>
> Duplicate it as close as you can. The cove part is easy enough.
> Match the ogee with a router bit profile that gets close. Replace the
> entire closet's worth.
> I've been replicating interior door and window casing treatments in
> a 1923 Montrose house here in Houston. It turned out to be a two-part
> deal, one for the cove and one for the ogee.
>
> 1923 Montrose house
There's a good reason to put the time and effort into it.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit
> built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have
> visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius
> (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
Pretty molding. You might find some at habitat restore or some
architectual salvage place, but that is a crap shoot. I'd bite the
bullet and pay or rip the old molding off and replace it with the new
stuff that looks nice but will not mesh as well with the architectural
integrity of your home.
Maybe you could check further out and find a millwork place in a smaller
town where they don't charge big-city prices. You are not likely to
find a good price of a web storefront.
You might want to check on rec.woodworking. Some of those people might
have a better idea, some of them have routers and can probably do their
own.
Good luck!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
Is it just the return portion of the window trim that you need? It looks
like the guy just broke off the return and cut the 45 angle off? If this
is correct I may be able to suggest a decent looking, low cost repair.
--
Colbyt
One picture can be worth a 1000 words.
Post yours at www.ImageGenie.net for FREE.
Go to the LV web site and look at the router bits. I'm sure they have the
large profile for it and the other is a cove bit or a core box bit. You
will need to take some measurements to make sure the sizes are right. Hope
you have a router table if you find the bits are what you want.
Jim
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit built
> in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I would like
> to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door that I would
> like to have the same moulding. The following is not a good picture,
> but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have visited
> every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile radius (I'm
> in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would do it for $200
> + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions!
>
> Aaron Fude
>
[email protected] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The previous owner cut part of the crown moulding so he could fit
> built in closets. Now the closets are gone (good riddance) and I
> would like to repair the moulding. Also, I'm adding an internal door
> that I would like to have the same moulding. The following is not a
> good picture, but you can tell the shape:
>
> http://i.math.drexel.edu/~pg/moulding.jpg
>
> What is my best strategy for finding moulding like that? I have
> visited every single lumber yard and every mill shop in the 10 mile
> radius (I'm in Philly) with now luck. One mill shop said they would
> do it for $200 + $40/lf. Obviously, this is unaffordable.
1. Buy router bit(s) and cut it
2. Make a mold from existing and cast it
--
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