I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
resources should be minimal.
I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
all I really need. Any suggestions?
The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>
> resources should be minimal.
>
>
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>
> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>
> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>
> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.
Mike Marlow wrote :
> John G wrote:
>
>>
>> Mesnews seems to me to do all I had from OE and one thing better,
>> When you leave subject it does not mark any unread msgs as read like
>> if I remeber OE did.
>>
>> http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
>
> I don't experience OE marking unread messages as read. It actually behaves
> quite well in that respect. But it is good to see a new entry in the world
> of newsreaders. Gonna have to take a look at mesnews.
You may be correct, it's a few years now since I stopped using OE when
it first disapeared from current versions of IE.
An update was released only a week or so ago and it had a lttle bug
with scrolling It was fixed within a few days.
--
John G
I have Thunderbird on my Win 8 laptop, but lately have been reading my newsgroups in Google Groups on my browser (Chrome).
On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:56:37 AM UTC-6, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>
> resources should be minimal.
>
>
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>
> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>
> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>
> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>
>
> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
> day trial.
>
> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it about
> useless for newsgroups.
>
Yep, Outlook Express worked just fine for me too. As is Microsoft's custom,
if something works well, the have to "improve" it to the point of
uselessness. I window live on one win 7 machine. It is useless. It
freezes and crashes constantly. And I can't even get this program any more.
The Outlook 2007 in the office package is very nice. It is like outlook
express on steroids with a lot of other tools in there as well. It is
almost like the old outlook express, only better.
I really don't want to go to thunderbird email client. They are no longer
improving that program and I already have a good email client. It is just
the newsreader I need. I came across a couple newsreader add ins to outlook
2007. But almost all of them no longer work because Microsoft won't let
anybody interface with the program. So called "security enhancements".
Also the only surviving add in apparently really bogs down the machine.
Which is why I need a dedicated newsreader. I will look at Forte Agent. I
will figure something out.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a
> system that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it
> is not just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading
> these archaic newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is
> not anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the
> computers resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read
> UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything
> that does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
>
I'm still using Xnews. It was written in the days when programs did less
whizz-bang stuff, so it's quick and lightweight. It does take a little
getting used to and playing around, but will do all those things with a
minimum of fuss.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 12/10/2013 7:07 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net>
> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am
>> migrating to a system that does not support newsreaders
>> in the email client.
>
> Get a different email client. One that also does nntp. Either Sylpheed or
> Claws would do nicely, Thunderbird too. Any would also give you the benefit
> of not having to use Outlook, Live Mail or Windows Live Mail.
But he says he needs an INDEPENDENT, DEDICATED newsreader. That lets
out Thunderbird which I also use as a newsreader and ONLY thing I use as
a mail client.
Lee, take a look at Xnews
http://xnews.newsguy.com/
It's cheap (Free)
It's simple
It needs no installation (standalone like a DOS program but NOT like a
DOS program<g>)
The tradeoff, if there is one, is that it while it's somewhat intuitive,
it does take some getting used to and to find all the features, you'll
have to peruse the site.
There are others that have been mentioned but this is the only
standalone I've had any experience with.
"Mike Marlow" wrote...
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
>>> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read
>>> UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed
>>> anything that does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>>
>> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
>> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder,
>> etc. Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good
>> while.
>> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
>> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
>> for me.
>
> Sorry for piggybacking on your post Karl, but to comment on Lee's comment
> above - Outlook in any of its releases, never supported nntp. The closest
> it ever came was to allow you to configure newsgroups, which upon
> execution, called OE. Outlook itself never handled usenet - it shelled
> OE.
>
Actually three issues here.
The first issue is that they used to offer a nttp work around. You could
download a stripped out Outlook Express or Windows Mail. It would just do
the newsreader function. All email and other functions would be done in
outlook. They no longer offer this work around. You can, of course, access
groups on the Microsoft Exchange. You are not allowed to go outside of the
Microsoft "family".
The second issue is related to the changes that Microsoft made in Outlook.
A number of third party developers offered an add on that would put the nttp
function back into outlook. I tried to download one and could not get it to
work. I sent the developer an email and asked about it. He informed me
that Microsoft created a number of "security upgrades" to outlook that would
make his program and others like it to be seen as a virus. They even sent
out info to the anti virus people so they would think it was a virus too..
Avasti flagged it and would not let me download it. I turned off Avasti and
Outlook would not let me download it. Yep, Outlook flagged it too. And
each version of Outlook gets even more heavy duty in terms of excluding
these prohibited products. Apparently Big Brother Microsoft want to
"protect" us from UseNet.
The third issue, common to all Microsoft email programs is that they end up
taking a lot of the computers resources if very many files are stored in the
program. Which is why you need to empty files and archive what you want to
keep on a semi regular basis. When the nttp function was put into outlook,
either with a Microsoft or a third party solution , this drain on computer
resources greatly accelerated. In fact some individuals said that their
computer went into a constant "grind", apparently named because the hard
drive was working almost all the time.
And since Outlook is primarily used by businesses, they wanted to prevent
this. Which is probably one of the motives for excluding Usenet access.
They make the decision rather than leaving it up to us peasants.
I am really happy with Outlook. My wife and several people who got a
similar system are really happy with Outlook. Very similar to what we used
on out XP systems. Actually a noticeable improvement over Outlook Express.
Just no newsreader. Oh well, there is not that many of us old farts who
still use it. And the "modern" Microsoft is certainly not going to support
anything that keeps advertising dollars out if its pocket.
And I am really happy with Office 2007. It is not the latest, but it is
good and was a freebie on my new system. I am looking at the various
programs and bought a couple used books for a penny on Amazon for reference
material and a couple CD video tutors for about $6. (Yep, I still read
books. And the used price is much cheaper than the Kindle versions of these
books.) I have a number of project soon that will put these programs to
work. Again, this all works out for me.
But no newsreader, soooooo....., That is why I need an independent,
dedicated newsreader. That way I can get my newsfeed. And I can use the
other programs on the computer. And the computer will run fine. And no
fights or internal conflicts with nttp versus the Microsoft Machine. My
hard drive will thank me. It is amazing that I have to work so hard to
regain a little bit of function that has been around for years. Oh well, I
will do whatever is required to function where and when I choose on the net.
Regardless of what Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer thinks I should do.
On 12/10/2013 1:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
>> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
> Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.
Aw, you musta blinked. TB is now at 24.2.0 as of this moment. Just
launched TB and it upgraded it a minute ago.
Hopefully the "undocumented feature" you mentioned has been scrubbed out.<g>
On 12/11/2013 5:28 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>
>>> That is consistent with my recent experiences with
>> Firefox in general. It really seems that they are not
>> QA'ing the releases anymore and each release just brings
>> about a new form of crash or hang. Mozilla does not
>> appear to be the Mozilla of old. Mysterious behaviors
>> that mysteriously disappear a couple of days later after
>> a mysterious middle of the night upgrade. And the only
>> evidence left behind is a new mysterious anomoly.
>
> Hmm...maybe Microsoft surreptiously bought them out and is now doing the
> coding :)
>
I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
On 12/11/2013 03:35 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 3:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Just Wondering wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
>>> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
>>> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
>>
>> You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
>> then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the
>> recent
>> spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on
>> firefox,
>>
> I am another of the "one hundred thousabndth".
>
> My experience with Firefox and Thunderbird is the same. I started using
> Firefox and Thunderbird as a replacement for Netscape over 10 years ago.
> I have never had a serious problem with updating, or using either of
> the programs. I am not an occasional user but use them several hours
> per day.
>
> The people who appear on the newsgroups and forums are a small minority
> of the Mozilla users. Many are like the person in a recent Mozilla
> newsgroup that was complaining about problems with FF & TB where he had
> between 77 and 100 addons installed. I did not know there were that
> many that were truly different addons available. I have less that a half
> dozen in each Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> In some of the post with problems, FF & TB get blamed when the root
> cause of the problem is somewhere else and probably with non standard
> code of a URL.
>
> Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different accounts,
> 77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact TB's
> databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with Firefox
> or Thunderbird.
Agree - been using TB and FF for years with no major issues. No more
than half dozen add-ons on each.
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
I've been using Agent since v0.99c in 1996(ish). I'm holding at 1.93. I have a
copy of 4.2, which is MUCH better at handling binaries, but I don't like the way
it handles text groups. I have not tried the current version, but will check it
out. If Forte is letting you d/l 1.93 for free as someone posted earlier, go
grab it for your text groups. Plus it handles yENC just great. My biggest
gripe is that it doesn't do html automatically and does not have nested folders.
Regards,
Roy
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>>
>> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>>
>> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>>
>> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>>
>> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>>
>> resources should be minimal.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>>
>> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>>
>> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>>
>> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>>
>> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>>
>> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.
On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:14:01 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 2:06 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> > Leon wrote:
>
> >> On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>
> >>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>
> >>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>
> >>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>
> >>> day trial.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>
> >>> about useless for newsgroups.
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
>
> > Thanks for reminding me why I switched. I couldn't put my finger on
>
> > it. That was the reason.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> We try to forget the bad decision of Outlook Express being dropped.
A sad day indeed.
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:08:48 -0600, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>snip
>>>
>>>+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.
>>
>>"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?
>
>Check the headers Agent still is a good program today.
You're telling me? ;-)
On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:56:37 AM UTC-6, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>
> resources should be minimal.
>
>
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>
> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>
> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>
> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
Back in the day,I used to use Gravity. It was a little technical, but it did a lot of things well.
http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
On 12/9/2013 2:06 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>>> day trial.
>>>
>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>>> about useless for newsgroups.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
> Thanks for reminding me why I switched. I couldn't put my finger on
> it. That was the reason.
>
We try to forget the bad decision of Outlook Express being dropped.
Lee Michaels submitted this idea :
>
> "Mike Marlow" wrote...
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
>>>> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read
>>>> UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed
>>>> anything that does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>>>
>>> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
>>> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder,
>>> etc. Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good
>>> while.
>>> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
>>> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
>>> for me.
>>
>> Sorry for piggybacking on your post Karl, but to comment on Lee's comment
>> above - Outlook in any of its releases, never supported nntp. The closest
>> it ever came was to allow you to configure newsgroups, which upon
>> execution, called OE. Outlook itself never handled usenet - it shelled OE.
>>
> Actually three issues here.
>
> The first issue is that they used to offer a nttp work around. You could
> download a stripped out Outlook Express or Windows Mail. It would just do
> the newsreader function. All email and other functions would be done in
> outlook. They no longer offer this work around. You can, of course, access
> groups on the Microsoft Exchange. You are not allowed to go outside of the
> Microsoft "family".
>
> The second issue is related to the changes that Microsoft made in Outlook. A
> number of third party developers offered an add on that would put the nttp
> function back into outlook. I tried to download one and could not get it to
> work. I sent the developer an email and asked about it. He informed me that
> Microsoft created a number of "security upgrades" to outlook that would make
> his program and others like it to be seen as a virus. They even sent out
> info to the anti virus people so they would think it was a virus too.. Avasti
> flagged it and would not let me download it. I turned off Avasti and Outlook
> would not let me download it. Yep, Outlook flagged it too. And each version
> of Outlook gets even more heavy duty in terms of excluding these prohibited
> products. Apparently Big Brother Microsoft want to "protect" us from UseNet.
>
> The third issue, common to all Microsoft email programs is that they end up
> taking a lot of the computers resources if very many files are stored in the
> program. Which is why you need to empty files and archive what you want to
> keep on a semi regular basis. When the nttp function was put into outlook,
> either with a Microsoft or a third party solution , this drain on computer
> resources greatly accelerated. In fact some individuals said that their
> computer went into a constant "grind", apparently named because the hard
> drive was working almost all the time.
>
> And since Outlook is primarily used by businesses, they wanted to prevent
> this. Which is probably one of the motives for excluding Usenet access. They
> make the decision rather than leaving it up to us peasants.
>
> I am really happy with Outlook. My wife and several people who got a similar
> system are really happy with Outlook. Very similar to what we used on out XP
> systems. Actually a noticeable improvement over Outlook Express. Just no
> newsreader. Oh well, there is not that many of us old farts who still use
> it. And the "modern" Microsoft is certainly not going to support anything
> that keeps advertising dollars out if its pocket.
>
> And I am really happy with Office 2007. It is not the latest, but it is good
> and was a freebie on my new system. I am looking at the various programs and
> bought a couple used books for a penny on Amazon for reference material and a
> couple CD video tutors for about $6. (Yep, I still read books. And the used
> price is much cheaper than the Kindle versions of these books.) I have a
> number of project soon that will put these programs to work. Again, this all
> works out for me.
>
> But no newsreader, soooooo....., That is why I need an independent,
> dedicated newsreader. That way I can get my newsfeed. And I can use the
> other programs on the computer. And the computer will run fine. And no
> fights or internal conflicts with nttp versus the Microsoft Machine. My hard
> drive will thank me. It is amazing that I have to work so hard to regain a
> little bit of function that has been around for years. Oh well, I will do
> whatever is required to function where and when I choose on the net.
> Regardless of what Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer thinks I should do.
Mesnews seems to me to do all I had from OE and one thing better,
When you leave subject it does not mark any unread msgs as read like if
I remeber OE did.
http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
--
John G
On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>
>
> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
> day trial.
>
> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
> about useless for newsgroups.
>
Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
> resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
>
Thunderbird works for me.
On 12/10/2013 6:34 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 12/10/2013 1:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
>> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
>> Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.
>
> Aw, you musta blinked. TB is now at 24.2.0 as of this moment. Just
> launched TB and it upgraded it a minute ago.
>
> Hopefully the "undocumented feature" you mentioned has been scrubbed
> out.<g>
LOL ... damn, you're right. Hit Help while typing this and it started
downloading immediately.
I'll be back shortly, I hope. ;)
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On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
> resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
I use 40tude dialog on windows, and Pan on linux.
Dialog supports encryption and yenc and is configurable
in every way imaginable. It also has extensive filtering
capabilities. It is complex compared to OE or thunderbird.
I have never been a fan of Thunderbird, lots of folks like it
though.
basilisk
Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
> resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
>
I have used Seamonkey for years and it fits my needs. It is like
Thunderbird and Firefox combined in that it is a browser and a
news/email reader. I get my email through ATT and my newsgroups
through giganews.
--
GW Ross
I try to make everyone's day a little
more surreal. -Calvin.
On 12/10/2013 8:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
>> making it about useless for newsgroups.
>
> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I still
> use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
> made it useless for news groups. What might those changes be?
>
It evolved into Live Mail. It will not put markers (such as > or :) in
front of quoted text. It is OK for most email needs though.
On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>
I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
day trial.
I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
about useless for newsgroups.
On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.
Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
for me.
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Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm still using Xnews. It was written in the days when
> programs did less whizz-bang stuff, so it's quick and
> lightweight. It does take a little getting used to and
> playing around, but will do all those things with a minimum
> of fuss.
>
> Puckdropper
I also still use Xnews. It's free and does exactly what you
want. It requires no installation, just copy it to a directory,
and you can save posts to refer to later. It's old and is not
being actively developed but is very stable. Nothing in NNTP has
changed anyway...
Larry
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in news:52a5f64f$0
[email protected]:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions?
I've been using Xnews for several years now. Completely happy with it.
Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:36:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Leonhardt
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated
>>when it comes to news readers. I will ask this question
>>sort of expecting flames:
>>
>>Why would you not use Google Groups other than the
>>inability to get binaries?
>
> If it suits your purpose good for you, but the main reason
> for me is threading, GG's horrific interface and the poor
> retention of GG.
>
GG is the source of much spam and is contributing the the demise
of Usenet. Many people that have been around Usenet for years
block anything posted from a GMail address. I wouldn't have seen
this had someone not responded. Nothing personal, but I have
found the content of users that post using a NNTP client is more
likely on topic.
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
Larry
I'll echo that - use Firefox and Thunderbird - used them since
they started. Mosaic upgrade.
They were bought by AOL and then that fell apart. Now they are
a band of good programmers that are around the world keeping it
together. In spite of constant upgrade in standards.
Martin
Was a Unix user and enjoyed it. Now I have a crazy and wild
monster size phone it looks like - version 8 in a 1080P double wide
screen. What a messy computer. They think computers are for 15 year
olds and made a dummy screen like a phone. Big icons they call
something else. Always taking credit and making us pay. No start
menu. Sucks.
They have a massive amount of what not junk that fills the screen.
Martin - wonders what 8.1 is like.
On 12/11/2013 12:45 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 5:28 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]
>>
>>>> That is consistent with my recent experiences with
>>> Firefox in general. It really seems that they are not
>>> QA'ing the releases anymore and each release just brings
>>> about a new form of crash or hang. Mozilla does not
>>> appear to be the Mozilla of old. Mysterious behaviors
>>> that mysteriously disappear a couple of days later after
>>> a mysterious middle of the night upgrade. And the only
>>> evidence left behind is a new mysterious anomoly.
>>
>> Hmm...maybe Microsoft surreptiously bought them out and is now doing the
>> coding :)
>>
>
> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:36:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Leonhardt
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated when it comes to news readers. I will ask this question sort of expecting flames:
>
>Why would you not use Google Groups other than the inability to get binaries?
If it suits your purpose good for you, but the main reason for me is
threading, GG's horrific interface and the poor retention of GG.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
snip
>>
>>+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.
>
>"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?
Check the headers Agent still is a good program today.
Mark
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
>Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>resources should be minimal.
>
>I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
>The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
Agent is nice, doubles as a mail program. Pay for the latest or
download a free version of older ones.
http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
Mark
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:36:18 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Just Wondering wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
>> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
>> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
>
>You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
>then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the recent
>spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on firefox,
No problems here, either. I've been using FF since it was named FF
and TB for about five years now. I has crashed a couple of times but
it just restarts with everything in tact (all the tabs, even). *MUCH*
better than anything from M$.
I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated when it comes to news readers. I will ask this question sort of expecting flames:
Why would you not use Google Groups other than the inability to get binaries?
On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>
> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>
> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>
> resources should be minimal.
>
>
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>
> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>
> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>
> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:36:03 AM UTC-6, Bill Leonhardt wrote:
> I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated when it comes to news readers. I will ask this question sort of expecting flames:
>
>
>
> Why would you not use Google Groups other than the inability to get binaries?
Maybe some functions like saving posts or blocking certain posters, a better text editor too. Other things like highlighting responses to your posts and showing the thread hierarchies.
I used to use a dedicated client and service, but now I use google groups because it's free, easy, and readily available on my computer, phone, &c.
On 12/10/2013 9:22 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>
>>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
>>>> making it about useless for newsgroups.
>>>
>>> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I
>>> still use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of
>>> any changes that made it useless for news groups. What might those
>>> changes be?
>>
>>
>> OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are the changes.
>
> It should still be available to those who wish to downgrade to IE6. OE was
> always a component of IE, not a stand alone product. Of course downgrading
> to IE6 is worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
>
Hummmmmm I did not realize that. I did learn a couple of days ago that
earlier versions of IE were still available. But like you say.....
Anyway Thunderbird is very similar and comes with out having to install
an earlier version of IE.
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:36:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Leonhardt
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated when it comes to news readers. I will ask this question sort of expecting flames:
>
>Why would you not use Google Groups other than the inability to get binaries?
Because Google screws up the Usenet for the rest of us. Read your own
posts for just one example. There are many.
Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> With the addition of Lightning, Thunderbird has become a poor man's MS
>> Office as you can schedule task and events. You can convert messages
>> to events or task, and they can be tracked. You can send invitation
>> to those people you wish to participate in the events. My wife and I
>> use the invitation function to keep each other informed of what we are
>> participating in. It is great for keeping track of a retiree social
>> life and it is all free.
>Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>functionality in that area. Anything else?
It really depends on what you want in a newsreader. I need something
that will tunnel nicely over ssh, which precludes most GUI-heavy newsreaders
like Pan, Thunderbird, Forte, et. al.
I've been using xrn since 1989, and it's comfortable and fits all my needs.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:11:13 -0800 (PST), Jeff Mazur
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:56:37 AM UTC-5, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system that
>>
>> does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not just me but
>>
>> a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic newsgroups.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>>
>> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>>
>> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>>
>> resources should be minimal.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would be
>>
>> nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well. That is
>>
>> all I really need. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>>
>> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>>
>> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that does
>>
>> not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>+1 for Agent, or Free Agent, very good programs in their day.
"In their day"? This from a Google groupie?
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
See if Free Agent (or Agent) is still around. I used it for years under
Windows. Now that I'm using Linux, I use Pan for a newsreader because
it's a lot like Agent.
Other than that, just Google.
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On 12/9/2013 11:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
> resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
>
I use Thunderbird. There will be someone who will shortly say this is
an email program and not and newsreader, but it does a very good job for
news groups, I have been using it for about 10 years, and each version
has performed well.
You can download and read newsgroups, You can post a followup to the
newsgroup or reply to the sender. You can set filters and a host of
other things.
With the addition of Lightning, Thunderbird has become a poor man's MS
Office as you can schedule task and events. You can convert messages to
events or task, and they can be tracked. You can send invitation to
those people you wish to participate in the events. My wife and I use
the invitation function to keep each other informed of what we are
participating in. It is great for keeping track of a retiree social
life and it is all free.
woodchucker wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 11:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
>> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
>> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>> resources should be minimal.
>>
>> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
>> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
>> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
>> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>>
>>
>>
> Thunderbird available on all systems.
>
+1
> check out mozilla org
>
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 11:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
>> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
>> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
>> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
>> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
>> resources should be minimal.
>>
>> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
>> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
>> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
>> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
>> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
>> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>>
>>
>>
> I use Thunderbird. There will be someone who will shortly say this is
> an email program and not and newsreader, but it does a very good job
> for news groups, I have been using it for about 10 years, and each
> version has performed well.
>
> You can download and read newsgroups, You can post a followup to the
> newsgroup or reply to the sender. You can set filters and a host of
> other things.
>
> With the addition of Lightning, Thunderbird has become a poor man's MS
> Office as you can schedule task and events. You can convert messages
> to events or task, and they can be tracked. You can send invitation
> to those people you wish to participate in the events. My wife and I
> use the invitation function to keep each other informed of what we are
> participating in. It is great for keeping track of a retiree social
> life and it is all free.
>
>
Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
to those who think they have something better. I download all my
messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
functionality in that area. Anything else?
Leon wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>
>>
>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>> day trial.
>>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>> about useless for newsgroups.
>>
>
>
> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
Thanks for reminding me why I switched. I couldn't put my finger on
it. That was the reason.
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
>> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
>> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
>> newsgroups.
>
>See if Free Agent (or Agent) is still around. I used it for years under
>Windows. Now that I'm using Linux, I use Pan for a newsreader because
>it's a lot like Agent.
Still using trn myself.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On 12/9/2013 1:24 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>
>>
>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a
>> 30 day trial.
>>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>> about useless for newsgroups.
>>
> Yep, Outlook Express worked just fine for me too. As is Microsoft's
> custom, if something works well, the have to "improve" it to the point
> of uselessness. I window live on one win 7 machine. It is useless. It
> freezes and crashes constantly. And I can't even get this program any
> more.
>
> The Outlook 2007 in the office package is very nice. It is like outlook
> express on steroids with a lot of other tools in there as well. It is
> almost like the old outlook express, only better.
>
> I really don't want to go to thunderbird email client. They are no
> longer improving that program and I already have a good email client.
> It is just the newsreader I need. I came across a couple newsreader add
> ins to outlook 2007. But almost all of them no longer work because
> Microsoft won't let anybody interface with the program. So called
> "security enhancements". Also the only surviving add in apparently
> really bogs down the machine.
>
> Which is why I need a dedicated newsreader. I will look at Forte
> Agent. I will figure something out.
>
>
>
Can understand wanting a dedicated newsreader but Thunderbird really
does a good job with usenet and updates are still being done to it.
Michael wrote:
> On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:14:01 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 2:06 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>>> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
>>> Thanks for reminding me why I switched. I couldn't put my finger on
>>> it. That was the reason.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We try to forget the bad decision of Outlook Express being dropped.
> A sad day indeed.
Maybe they figured they wanted people visiting msn.com rather than using
Usenet.
On 12/9/2013 2:24 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I really don't want to go to thunderbird email client. They are no
> longer improving that program
The following version of Thunderbird are currently in the cue for
release. Thunderbird 27 will be released tomorrow. TB 28 some time
in late January or early February, TB 29 some time in the spring.
From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases
Thunderbird 27
Currently in BETA channel
Moves to RELEASED on Week of December 10, 2013
Thunderbird 28
Currently in EARLYBIRD channel
Moves to BETA on Week of December 10, 2013
Thunderbird 29
Currently in DAILY channel
Moves to EARLYBIRD on Week of December 10, 2013
Hardly to quote "They are no longer improving that program"
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in
>> listening to those who think they have something better. I download
>> all my messages from a single news server, so I have no need for
>> further functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>
>
> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a
> 30 day trial.
>
> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
> about useless for newsgroups.
I still use it just because I have it. I don't have any problems with
newsgroups - what kind of problems did you find?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:29:38 -0800, Michael wrote:
> Back in the day,I used to use Gravity. It was a little technical, but it
> did a lot of things well.
>
> http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
Senility is a terrible thing - I touted Free Agent in a prior post on
this topic and I did use it and like it. But for some reason I switched
to Gravity for the rest of my time using Windows. I even remember trying
to find a version of it for Linux. Pan was as close as I could get.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
>>> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
>>> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
>>> newsgroups.
>>
>>See if Free Agent (or Agent) is still around. I used it for years under
>>Windows. Now that I'm using Linux, I use Pan for a newsreader because
>>it's a lot like Agent.
>
>Still using trn myself.
>
Me too. I stronlgly recommend to anyone interested a free unix shell
account at sdf.lonestar.org or any similar organization and try out the
original, old-fashioned way. Personally I can't imagine preferring
any other method, but admit to having been called a curmudgeon more than
once.
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net>
wrote in message
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> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am
> migrating to a system that does not support newsreaders
> in the email client.
Get a different email client. One that also does nntp. Either Sylpheed or
Claws would do nicely, Thunderbird too. Any would also give you the benefit
of not having to use Outlook, Live Mail or Windows Live Mail.
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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested
> in listening to those who think they have something
> better. I download all my messages from a single news
> server, so I have no need for further functionality in
> that area. Anything else?
"Something better" is subjective but personally I don't care for Thunderbird
(or predecessors or derivitives).
When I got a laptop with Win 8 to augment my Win XP PC I spent considerable
time seraching for and trying various email clients that would also do news.
I did that because the semi-built in ones in Win 8 are a disaster IMO. The
only two I found that I liked were Sylpheed and Claws. The latter grew out
of the former so they are very similar.
I found both of them preferable to Thunderbird but wound up with neither
because I like to use html for mail and neither write it. I set up a
virtual machine with Virtual Box, installed XP on it and continue to use
Outlook Express.
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"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
> making it about useless for newsgroups.
I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I still
use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
made it useless for news groups. What might those changes be?
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net>
wrote in message
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> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be
> > > interested in listening to those who think they have
> > > something better. I download all my messages from a
> > > single news server, so I have no need for further
> > > functionality in that area. Anything else?
> >
> > I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free
> > anymore aside from a 30 day trial.
> >
> > I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved"
> > it making it about useless for newsgroups.
> >
> Yep, Outlook Express worked just fine for me too. As is
> Microsoft's custom, if something works well, the have to
> "improve" it to the point of uselessness. I window live
> on one win 7 machine. It is useless. It freezes and
> crashes constantly. And I can't even get this program
> any more.
> The Outlook 2007 in the office package is very nice. It
> is like outlook express on steroids with a lot of other
> tools in there as well. It is almost like the old
> outlook express, only better.
If you want to use Outlook (or Outlook Express) on your new machine you can
easily do so by setting up a virtual machine and installing the appropriate
OS and program(s) on it. Virtual Box is easy to use and works well.
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dadiOH wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
>> making it about useless for newsgroups.
>
> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I
> still use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of any
> changes that made it useless for news groups. What might those
> changes be?
That's been my experience as well. The only thing that I once thought I
wanted - which was not supported by OE was support for yEnc. I tried a few
different readers that supported yEnc, but always just came back to OE and
said the hell with yEnc. Somehow, I seem to have survived OE"s inability to
deal with yEnc.
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Leon wrote:
> On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
>>> making it about useless for newsgroups.
>>
>> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I
>> still use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of
>> any changes that made it useless for news groups. What might those
>> changes be?
>
>
> OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are the changes.
It should still be available to those who wish to downgrade to IE6. OE was
always a component of IE, not a stand alone product. Of course downgrading
to IE6 is worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 08:07:33 -0500, dadiOH wrote:
> Get a different email client. One that also does nntp. Either Sylpheed
> or Claws would do nicely, Thunderbird too.
I don't use Thunderbird for news, just for email. But it has developed a
nasty habit of changing the font size in the middle of composing an
email. Could be peculiar to the Linux version (17.0.2) but it is an
irritant.
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Bill wrote:
>> I use Thunderbird.
>
>
>
Since we are talking about Thunderbird, etc. You may have noticed that
sometimes the words of my text run together. That's because (in my
preferences) I "edit in HTML" (which permits me to make the text large
enough to see it well).
To avoid the problem of the words running together,
I usually cut all of my text, copy to WordPad, and Paste back into the
editor in Thunderbird--and that works. Except, when I forget to do
that, some of the words run together when they are uploaded to the
newsgroup server as text. Anyone else doing this in
Thunderbird/Seamonkey (have a better solution?)
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]
> Leon wrote:
> > On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > > "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > >
> > > > I used Outlook Express for years until they
> > > > "improved" it making it about useless for
> > > > newsgroups.
> > >
> > > I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win
> > > 98 and WinXP. I still use it with Win8 in an XP
> > > virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
> > > made it useless for news groups. What might those
> > > changes be?
> >
> >
> > OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are
> > the changes.
>
> It should still be available to those who wish to
> downgrade to IE6. OE was always a component of IE, not a
> stand alone product.
Can IE 6 be installed in Win 7 or 8? I'm thinking MS would have conniptions
if one tried to do so.
> Of course downgrading to IE6 is
> worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
Having it installed doesn't mean you have to use it :)
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> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>
>>>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they
>>>>> "improved" it making it about useless for
>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win
>>>> 98 and WinXP. I still use it with Win8 in an XP
>>>> virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
>>>> made it useless for news groups. What might those
>>>> changes be?
>>>
>>> OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are
>>> the changes.
>> It should still be available to those who wish to
>> downgrade to IE6. OE was always a component of IE, not a
>> stand alone product.
> Can IE 6 be installed in Win 7 or 8? I'm thinking MS would have conniptions
> if one tried to do so.
>
>> Of course downgrading to IE6 is
>> worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
>
Sounds like "just asking" for a virus!
dadiOH wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]
>> It should still be available to those who wish to
>> downgrade to IE6. OE was always a component of IE, not a
>> stand alone product.
>
> Can IE 6 be installed in Win 7 or 8? I'm thinking MS would have
> conniptions if one tried to do so.
I don't really know because I'm still back on XP. I would think however
that IE6 could be loaded along side of your current browser - just don't
make it the default browser. That way, you get OE and IE6 with all of its
problems, just sits there taking up a small amount of space on your disk.
It's worth the try.
>
>> Of course downgrading to IE6 is
>> worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
>
> Having it installed doesn't mean you have to use it :)
Precisely!
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Bill wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they
>>>>>> "improved" it making it about useless for
>>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win
>>>>> 98 and WinXP. I still use it with Win8 in an XP
>>>>> virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
>>>>> made it useless for news groups. What might those
>>>>> changes be?
>>>>
>>>> OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are
>>>> the changes.
>>> It should still be available to those who wish to
>>> downgrade to IE6. OE was always a component of IE, not a
>>> stand alone product.
>> Can IE 6 be installed in Win 7 or 8? I'm thinking MS would have
>> conniptions if one tried to do so.
>>
>>> Of course downgrading to IE6 is
>>> worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
>>
> Sounds like "just asking" for a virus!
Absolutely not. Don't use that browser. You'd just be installing it to get
OE. Simply do not make it your default browser and all it will do is eat up
a small amount of disk space.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
>> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read
>> UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed
>> anything that does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder,
> etc. Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good
> while.
> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
> for me.
That is consistent with my recent experiences with Firefox in general. It
really seems that they are not QA'ing the releases anymore and each release
just brings about a new form of crash or hang. Mozilla does not appear to
be the Mozilla of old. Mysterious behaviors that mysteriously disappear a
couple of days later after a mysterious middle of the night upgrade. And
the only evidence left behind is a new mysterious anomoly.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
>> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read
>> UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed
>> anything that does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder,
> etc. Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good
> while.
> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
> for me.
Sorry for piggybacking on your post Karl, but to comment on Lee's comment
above - Outlook in any of its releases, never supported nntp. The closest
it ever came was to allow you to configure newsgroups, which upon execution,
called OE. Outlook itself never handled usenet - it shelled OE.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they
>>>>>>> "improved" it making it about useless for
>>>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>>> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win
>>>>>> 98 and WinXP. I still use it with Win8 in an XP
>>>>>> virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
>>>>>> made it useless for news groups. What might those
>>>>>> changes be?
>>>>> OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are
>>>>> the changes.
>>>> It should still be available to those who wish to
>>>> downgrade to IE6. OE was always a component of IE, not a
>>>> stand alone product.
>>> Can IE 6 be installed in Win 7 or 8? I'm thinking MS would have
>>> conniptions if one tried to do so.
>>>
>>>> Of course downgrading to IE6 is
>>>> worse than a sharp stick in the eye.
>> Sounds like "just asking" for a virus!
> Absolutely not. Don't use that browser. You'd just be installing it to get
> OE. Simply do not make it your default browser and all it will do is eat up
> a small amount of disk space.
>
Okay, I misunderstood. I wasn't following every word.
Bill wrote:
> Okay, I misunderstood. I wasn't following every word.
Hey! - I understand that!
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote...
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2013 10:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in
>>>> office 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to
>>>> read UseNet newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed
>>>> anything that does not use their own servers servers for
>>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
>>> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder,
>>> etc. Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good
>>> while.
>>> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
>>> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB
>>> usable for me.
>>
>> Sorry for piggybacking on your post Karl, but to comment on Lee's
>> comment above - Outlook in any of its releases, never supported
>> nntp. The closest it ever came was to allow you to configure
>> newsgroups, which upon execution, called OE. Outlook itself never
>> handled usenet - it shelled OE.
>>
> Actually three issues here.
>
> The first issue is that they used to offer a nttp work around. You
> could download a stripped out Outlook Express or Windows Mail. It
> would just do the newsreader function. All email and other functions
> would be done in outlook. They no longer offer this work around. You can,
> of course, access groups on the Microsoft Exchange. You are
> not allowed to go outside of the Microsoft "family".
>
This is exactly what I had said. The workaround you refer to was a shell to
OE.
> The second issue is related to the changes that Microsoft made in
> Outlook. A number of third party developers offered an add on that
> would put the nttp function back into outlook. I tried to download
> one and could not get it to work. I sent the developer an email and
> asked about it. He informed me that Microsoft created a number of
> "security upgrades" to outlook that would make his program and others
> like it to be seen as a virus. They even sent out info to the anti
> virus people so they would think it was a virus too.. Avasti flagged
> it and would not let me download it. I turned off Avasti and Outlook
> would not let me download it. Yep, Outlook flagged it too. And each
> version of Outlook gets even more heavy duty in terms of excluding
> these prohibited products. Apparently Big Brother Microsoft want to
> "protect" us from UseNet.
Which I do not disagree with, but only points to my single comment - Outlook
has never been an nntp client. It has always relied upon a shell to do
newsgroups - whether those were native Microsoft, or third party - or
whether they were ultimately eliminated.
>
> The third issue, common to all Microsoft email programs is that they
> end up taking a lot of the computers resources if very many files are
> stored in the program. Which is why you need to empty files and
> archive what you want to keep on a semi regular basis. When the nttp
> function was put into outlook, either with a Microsoft or a third
> party solution , this drain on computer resources greatly
> accelerated. In fact some individuals said that their computer went
> into a constant "grind", apparently named because the hard drive was
> working almost all the time.
That may be true, but it is not really relevant to the statement that I
made. I made no statements at all that were relevant to any performance
characteristics of either Microsoft, or third party products.
>
> And since Outlook is primarily used by businesses, they wanted to
> prevent this. Which is probably one of the motives for excluding
> Usenet access. They make the decision rather than leaving it up to us
> peasants.
This statement is (sorry....) pure bull. Businesses thrived on usenet for
years. The decisions to cripple Outlook by not including an nntp interface
was purely Microsoft. It had nothing at all to do with business.
>
> I am really happy with Outlook. My wife and several people who got a
> similar system are really happy with Outlook. Very similar to what
> we used on out XP systems. Actually a noticeable improvement over
> Outlook Express. Just no newsreader. Oh well, there is not that many
> of us old farts who still use it. And the "modern" Microsoft is
> certainly not going to support anything that keeps advertising
> dollars out if its pocket.
I agree. I use Outlook daily. I love it. It would be better - and it
always would have been better if it had an nntp component, but for what it
is - it is great in my opinion.
>
> And I am really happy with Office 2007. It is not the latest, but it
> is good and was a freebie on my new system.
I'm still on Office 2007 as well, and like you, I see no reason to migrate
off. It simply works. For all of the bitching about MS products, it just
simply works. I don't really care for any of the other, more estoeric
conversations about it and competing products.
>
> But no newsreader, soooooo....., That is why I need an independent,
> dedicated newsreader. That way I can get my newsfeed. And I can use
> the other programs on the computer. And the computer will run fine. And
> no fights or internal conflicts with nttp versus the Microsoft
> Machine. My hard drive will thank me. It is amazing that I have to
> work so hard to regain a little bit of function that has been around
> for years. Oh well, I will do whatever is required to function where
> and when I choose on the net. Regardless of what Bill Gates or Steve
> Ballmer thinks I should do.
You really should not have to work too hard. There have been plenty of
really workable solutions proposed. Pick one that you like and get on with
it. Methinks this has gone well beyond the point of being an informative
thread, to one that is just swirling in its own misery.
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On 12/9/2013 8:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
>
Thunderbird will work fine...
Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:36:03 -0800 (PST), Bill Leonhardt
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I know a little about woodworking but I'm not too educated when it
>> comes to news readers. I will ask this question sort of expecting
>> flames:
>>
>> Why would you not use Google Groups other than the inability to get
>> binaries?
>
> If it suits your purpose good for you, but the main reason for me is
> threading, GG's horrific interface and the poor retention of GG.
Ain't that just the shits, too? Since Google bought Deja News one would
have thought that retention would have been the best in the world. But...
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John G wrote:
>
> Mesnews seems to me to do all I had from OE and one thing better,
> When you leave subject it does not mark any unread msgs as read like
> if I remeber OE did.
>
> http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
I don't experience OE marking unread messages as read. It actually behaves
quite well in that respect. But it is good to see a new entry in the world
of newsreaders. Gonna have to take a look at mesnews.
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]
>> That is consistent with my recent experiences with
> Firefox in general. It really seems that they are not
> QA'ing the releases anymore and each release just brings
> about a new form of crash or hang. Mozilla does not
> appear to be the Mozilla of old. Mysterious behaviors
> that mysteriously disappear a couple of days later after
> a mysterious middle of the night upgrade. And the only
> evidence left behind is a new mysterious anomoly.
Hmm...maybe Microsoft surreptiously bought them out and is now doing the
coding :)
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"John G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mesnews seems to me to do all I had from OE and one thing
> better, When you leave subject it does not mark any unread msgs
> as read like if I remeber OE did.
It marked them as read because you had set the option to do so.
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Just Wondering wrote:
>
> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the recent
spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on firefox,
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Just Wondering wrote:
>
>> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
>> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
>> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
> You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
> then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the recent
> spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on firefox,
>
Last time I got my SeaMonkey (~Mozilla) update, it made me so "unhappy",
I was reinstalling the old version less than 20 minutes later. I often
say, to myself, "If it's not broke, don't fix it!"...LOL. Not that I
always heed my own advice...but I've described a suitable reaction, for
those lacking one, for any occasion when one has such regret... I'm
reminded of the final turn of the wrench that is just too easy.
On 12/11/2013 3:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Just Wondering wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird as my default internet apps. I've
>> used them for years, and have never (well, almost never, and not for a
>> long time) experienced crashes and hangups.
>
> You must have been one of the one in one hundred thousabndth lucky users
> then, and good for you if you were. Most users have experineced the recent
> spate of Firefox issues. Just look at any google search results on firefox,
>
I am another of the "one hundred thousabndth".
My experience with Firefox and Thunderbird is the same. I started using
Firefox and Thunderbird as a replacement for Netscape over 10 years ago.
I have never had a serious problem with updating, or using either of
the programs. I am not an occasional user but use them several hours
per day.
The people who appear on the newsgroups and forums are a small minority
of the Mozilla users. Many are like the person in a recent Mozilla
newsgroup that was complaining about problems with FF & TB where he had
between 77 and 100 addons installed. I did not know there were that
many that were truly different addons available. I have less that a half
dozen in each Firefox and Thunderbird.
In some of the post with problems, FF & TB get blamed when the root
cause of the problem is somewhere else and probably with non standard
code of a URL.
Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different accounts,
77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact TB's
databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with Firefox
or Thunderbird.
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 03:35 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>> Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different
>> accounts, 77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact
>> TB's databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with
>> Firefox or Thunderbird.
>
> Agree - been using TB and FF for years with no major issues. No more
> than half dozen add-ons on each.
I only use FF - don't use TB. I have maybe a half dozen add-ons. I've been
using FF for years now, and until recently it has always been very stable,
but in the past year or so its stability has suffered, and there's quite a
bit of discussion about that on the net.
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On 12/14/2013 12:12 AM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> I'll echo that - use Firefox and Thunderbird - used them since
> they started. Mosaic upgrade.
>
> They were bought by AOL and then that fell apart. Now they are
> a band of good programmers that are around the world keeping it
> together. In spite of constant upgrade in standards.
The Mozilla Foundation was established in July 2003 with start-up
support from America Online's Netscape division. It is now an
independent non profit organization.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/about/
This is the financial report for the non profit Mozilla Foundation
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2012/
On 12/10/2013 2:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
> Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.
>
> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
> for me.
Been using FF and TB since they were Netscape. TB started doing stupid
*Major* updates a long time ago. By major, I mean it took years to go
from version 2 to version 3, and then to version 24 in the blink of an
eye . I quit upgrading at version 14, recognizing that TB worked
perfectly for me before the last slew of upgrades that seemed to do
nothing other than break some add-ons/Filters.
I seem to recall that along with the upgrades, other stuff was being
installed unless you overtly chose to not install stuff. I don't recall
what stuff, but Google search bar, AVG, McAfee virus stuff come to mind.
It's been a while since I upgraded, so I could be wrong, but I think
they were one group that was doing this. So I figure the reason they do
constant upgrades is not to help you out, but to get other stuff
installed.
My recommendation is once you get an upgrade that works perfectly STOP
upgrading. That's what I did at version 14, and it works perfectly fine
on my win7 64 bit machine. I will not upgrade until something comes
along I need, which is not likely any time soon.
Over the years I've experienced plenty of software "upgrades" that were
worse than what they upgraded, often breaking the older stuff
completely. In the old days, bug fixes and little tweaks were in
decimals. I figure TB should be at version 4.24 not 24
If anyone can tell me what version 24 does that 14 doesn't do, I'm
listening.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 12/20/2013 2:53 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 12/10/2013 2:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> This latest version (24.1.1) of TB is pissing me off. Unstable, not
>> responding from the simple saving of an email to a storage folder, etc.
>> Most problematic version I've had on this Win7 box in a good while.
>>
>> Feels like it may be an add-on/Filter issues, but they all show as
>> compatible, and the few add-ons/Filters I need is what makes TB usable
>> for me.
>
> Been using FF and TB since they were Netscape. TB started doing stupid
> *Major* updates a long time ago. By major, I mean it took years to go
> from version 2 to version 3, and then to version 24 in the blink of an
> eye . I quit upgrading at version 14, recognizing that TB worked
> perfectly for me before the last slew of upgrades that seemed to do
> nothing other than break some add-ons/Filters.
>
> I seem to recall that along with the upgrades, other stuff was being
> installed unless you overtly chose to not install stuff. I don't recall
> what stuff, but Google search bar, AVG, McAfee virus stuff come to mind.
> It's been a while since I upgraded, so I could be wrong, but I think
> they were one group that was doing this. So I figure the reason they do
> constant upgrades is not to help you out, but to get other stuff installed.
>
> My recommendation is once you get an upgrade that works perfectly STOP
> upgrading. That's what I did at version 14, and it works perfectly fine
> on my win7 64 bit machine. I will not upgrade until something comes
> along I need, which is not likely any time soon.
>
> Over the years I've experienced plenty of software "upgrades" that were
> worse than what they upgraded, often breaking the older stuff
> completely. In the old days, bug fixes and little tweaks were in
> decimals. I figure TB should be at version 4.24 not 24
>
> If anyone can tell me what version 24 does that 14 doesn't do, I'm
> listening.
>
They are more or less keeping it in sync with Firefox, which is on a
three month release cycle, and since they share a lot of codeit makes
sense from a developer perspective. There isn't much being done to TB
these days, other than getting to new HTML engine to work with it as FF
progresses.
The version numbering thing was started by Google's Chrome project which
is on a similar release cycle.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:37:03 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:56:37 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
>> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
>> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
>> newsgroups.
>
>See if Free Agent (or Agent) is still around. I used it for years under
>Windows. Now that I'm using Linux, I use Pan for a newsreader because
>it's a lot like Agent.
+1 for Agent. Gravity had some really nice features but it hasn't
been maintained in a decade.
>Other than that, just Google.
NO! NOT THAT!!!!!
On 12/9/2013 11:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I need an independent, dedicated newsreader. I am migrating to a system
> that does not support newsreaders in the email client. And it is not
> just me but a number of us old farts who insist on reading these archaic
> newsgroups.
>
> Any suggestions? I will pay something if necessary, but my needs are
> simple. A few newsgroups accessed a few times a day. And there is not
> anywhere near the volume there used to be. So demands on the computers
> resources should be minimal.
>
> I need to be able to read and reply to posts. And a bozo filter would
> be nice. Some capability to save some posts would be nice as well.
> That is all I really need. Any suggestions?
>
> The new system is a win 7 64 bit system. The email client is in office
> 2007, specifically outlook 2007. You used to be able to read UseNet
> newsgroups in Outlook 2007, but Microsoft have removed anything that
> does not use their own servers servers for newsgroups.
>
>
>
Thunderbird available on all systems.
check out mozilla org
--
Jeff
On 12/9/2013 8:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 2:39 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>>> day trial.
>>>
>>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>>> about useless for newsgroups.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
>
> Essentially the same, it is now called Live Mail.
I'm not sure I would say that Live Mail is equentially the same as OLE
so much as the replacement for OLE.
IIRC it does not read news groups.
On 12/9/2013 4:41 PM, Bill wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:14:01 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2013 2:06 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
>>>> Thanks for reminding me why I switched. I couldn't put my finger on
>>>> it. That was the reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We try to forget the bad decision of Outlook Express being dropped.
>> A sad day indeed.
>
> Maybe they figured they wanted people visiting msn.com rather than using
> Usenet.
>
That and kids/programers that are not yet old enough to know that you
don't fix what ain't broke.
On 12/10/2013 7:25 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it
>> making it about useless for newsgroups.
>
> I've used Outlook Express from Win 95a, Win 95b, Win 98 and WinXP. I still
> use it with Win8 in an XP virtual machine. I am unaware of any changes that
> made it useless for news groups. What might those changes be?
>
OLE is no longer available on Win 7 and 8. Those are the changes.
On 12/9/2013 5:31 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in
>>> listening to those who think they have something better. I download
>>> all my messages from a single news server, so I have no need for
>>> further functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>
>>
>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a
>> 30 day trial.
>>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>> about useless for newsgroups.
>
> I still use it just because I have it. I don't have any problems with
> newsgroups - what kind of problems did you find?
>
Probably what he meant to say is the OLE was good until they replaced it
with Live Mail. OLE was always good for news groups, but it is no
longer available on post XP OS's.
On 12/9/2013 5:01 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 2:24 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I really don't want to go to thunderbird email client. They are no
>> longer improving that program
>
> The following version of Thunderbird are currently in the cue for
> release. Thunderbird 27 will be released tomorrow. TB 28 some time
> in late January or early February, TB 29 some time in the spring.
>
> From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases
>
> Thunderbird 27
> Currently in BETA channel
> Moves to RELEASED on Week of December 10, 2013
>
> Thunderbird 28
> Currently in EARLYBIRD channel
> Moves to BETA on Week of December 10, 2013
>
> Thunderbird 29
> Currently in DAILY channel
> Moves to EARLYBIRD on Week of December 10, 2013
>
>
> Hardly to quote "They are no longer improving that program"
>
>
>
I use Thunderbird, like it, recommend it.
But as far as future releases go it's hard to say if they will actually
be improvements or simply the normal "security fix" or a fix for known
issues.
The latest release was simply a security fix.
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:17:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>day trial.
I use Agent 7 and it does everything I would want it to do which
includes top notch support if there's a problem. It's up to version
7.2 now for $29.
On 12/9/2013 2:39 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/9/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/9/2013 1:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, as a Thunderbird user myself, I would be interested in listening
>>> to those who think they have something better. I download all my
>>> messages from a single news server, so I have no need for further
>>> functionality in that area. Anything else?
>>>
>>
>> I'd say Forte Agent is equal, but it is not free anymore aside from a 30
>> day trial.
>>
>> I used Outlook Express for years until they "improved" it making it
>> about useless for newsgroups.
>>
>
>
> Actually Outlook Express is no longer available after XP, IIRC.
Essentially the same, it is now called Live Mail.
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 01:18:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 12/11/2013 03:35 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Unless you have gigabits of messages, several dozen different
>>> accounts, 77 or more addons installed in FF & TB, and never compact
>>> TB's databases, I doubt if you will ever have serious problems with
>>> Firefox or Thunderbird.
>>
>> Agree - been using TB and FF for years with no major issues. No more
>> than half dozen add-ons on each.
>
>I only use FF - don't use TB. I have maybe a half dozen add-ons. I've been
>using FF for years now, and until recently it has always been very stable,
>but in the past year or so its stability has suffered, and there's quite a
>bit of discussion about that on the net.
For some reason I'm stuck at FF 21.0. Maybe that's a good thing.
I'm sure having a bunch of add-ons doesn't help stability at all. I
only use the security add-ons (Ghostery, NoScript, and DontTrackMe).
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 14:24:15 -0500, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at
comcast dot net> wrote:
>Which is why I need a dedicated newsreader. I will look at Forte Agent. I
>will figure something out.
Agent still the BEST. Free Agent is still FREE, buy Agent 7 for $29 and they
will throw in Includes a free 3-month Agent Premium Usenet account. After
three months pay monthly $2.9 for 20Gig.
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/trial.php
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php