When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
move. However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easily.
Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
The 3M sand paper is good stuff. Every piece I've replaced has never had
to be cleaned and works for a long time.
I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else have a
similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that piece
exactly wrong again!
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
In article <[email protected]>, Puckdropper
wrote:
> When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
> move. However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easily.
> Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
>
> The 3M sand paper is good stuff. Every piece I've replaced has never had
> to be cleaned and works for a long time.
>
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else have a
> similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that piece
> exactly wrong again!
>
1 - Yes
2 - Great
3 - Sometimes
Joe
On May 18, 2:02=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote innews:wHuIn.13015$h57.10043@newsfe2=
2.iad:
>
>
>
> > Perhaps constructing one with 16 beads, then inch fractions could be
> > handled, base 16.
>
> >> "allen476" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:37dcb3b5-7c73-40df-9fc2-a2d5e10d7341@o15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
> >> . .. No, I need one of these......
>
> >>http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-Classic-Wooden-Abacus/dp/B00005BVRQ
> >> / ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dtoys-and-games&qid=3D1274146081&sr=3D8-1
>
> >> Seems that when the measurement is in the 24-26" range that my neuron
> >> powered calculator comes up about 1/4" short. Two projects in a row
> >> that has happened. Maybe an abacus will solve it or I should go back
> >> to 4th grade and learn fractions over again.
>
> >> Allen
>
> If you make it only 16" wide, then you'll avoid that spot on the tape
> measure that gives you trouble. =A0;-)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
It's the cursed tape, but I hate to give it up. I think that from all
of the drops to the floor it has had, I think that it knocked the
measures out of whack. Maybe if I throw it at the ceiling a few times
it will reverse it. Otherwise I could call it my "slow" tape.
Now 16 beads on a span 16". That could be a thought.
Allen
On Wed, 19 May 2010 23:58:03 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It would appear some people just do not realize the gravity of the
>situation.
Certainly isn't any levity around here.
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>No, it would be anti-gravitational if the devices were repelled by the
>surface
>(accelerated away from it). As it is, they're in perfect equilibrium -
>equal
>and opposite forces.
>
On Mon, 17 May 2010 09:58:46 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Some horizontal surfaces are very attractive. Perhaps female ones?
Horizontal females are attractive, yes.
>"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>They're anti-gravitational devices, generating powerful forces which
>attracts stuff!
>
>
>On 2010-05-16 20:53:34 -0400, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com>
>said:
>
>> It's the curse of horizontal surfaces.
>
On May 17, 6:59=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> allen476 <[email protected]> wrote innews:57c24a21-3921-4ecb-bb13-667be6b=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > Do you have the Festool board stretcher, the one with the 110"
> > extension rails or is it the homemade version? I looked at the Festool
> > version at Woodcraft, It would save me a lot of time over using my
> > shop built version but can't bring myself to spend the $1500 on it.
> > Maybe we should lobby the lumber industry to make lumber that is self
> > stretching instead.
>
> > We could exchange tape measures but mine is a 24" problem where as
> > yours is a 44". I think then we could solve both of our problems at
> > once. Hopefully they wouldn't get damaged in transit and then both of
> > them would have the same problems.
>
> > Allen
>
> For $1500, I could cut enough pieces too short to finally get the idea
> they should be cut close but long, to trim to size later! =A0I'll have to
> stick with the homemade version.
>
> Hm... Maybe there's another solution to the tape measure issue. =A0The Le=
e
> Valley story tape. =A0They won't have any issues around the 24" or 44"
> marks. =A0http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?c=3D&p=3D65359&cat=
=3D1,43513
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
No, I need one of these......
http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-Classic-Wooden-Abacus/dp/B00005BVRQ/ref=
=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dtoys-and-games&qid=3D1274146081&sr=3D8-1
Seems that when the measurement is in the 24-26" range that my neuron
powered calculator comes up about 1/4" short. Two projects in a row
that has happened. Maybe an abacus will solve it or I should go back
to 4th grade and learn fractions over again.
Allen
On May 16, 7:05=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
> move. =A0However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easil=
y. =A0
> Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
>
> The 3M sand paper is good stuff. =A0Every piece I've replaced has never h=
ad
> to be cleaned and works for a long time.
>
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". =A0Anyone else have=
a
> similiar issue? =A0I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that pi=
ece
> exactly wrong again!
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Shop observation # 302. (Yelled loudly) " KEEP hoses and extension
cords OFF the FLOOR when not in use!!!"
Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> Anyone else have a similiar issue?
>>Puckdropper
>
> What I notice is that when I want to use my tablesaw, I have to move
> stuff to my bench. But if I want to use my bench, I have to move
> stuff to my table saw. (Small shop syndrome). I NEVER can use either
> without moving stuff first.
>
> =Zz
It's the curse of horizontal surfaces. Any horizontal surface will have
something placed upon it in less than a week.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
allen476 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:88c36ef1-f4d4-4d4e-ae70-4d33a95015ff@e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com:
> On May 16, 7:05 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
*trim*
>> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else
>> have a similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut
>> that piece exactly wrong again!
>>
>> Puckdropper
>> --
>> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
>
> My tape measure doesn't read right around 24". For some reason, the
> boards at that length end up usually shorter but sometimes longer than
> they should be. Also I noticed that the glue bottle being placed on
> the bench makes all my parts not fit together after I just had them
> together 10 minutes before.
>
> Allen
>
Hm... If I use your tape for the longer boards and you use mine for the
shorter boards, maybe we can work around this problem. I hate having to
get the board stretcher out. ;-)
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
allen476 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:57c24a21-3921-4ecb-bb13-667be6b5513b@f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
> Do you have the Festool board stretcher, the one with the 110"
> extension rails or is it the homemade version? I looked at the Festool
> version at Woodcraft, It would save me a lot of time over using my
> shop built version but can't bring myself to spend the $1500 on it.
> Maybe we should lobby the lumber industry to make lumber that is self
> stretching instead.
>
> We could exchange tape measures but mine is a 24" problem where as
> yours is a 44". I think then we could solve both of our problems at
> once. Hopefully they wouldn't get damaged in transit and then both of
> them would have the same problems.
>
> Allen
For $1500, I could cut enough pieces too short to finally get the idea
they should be cut close but long, to trim to size later! I'll have to
stick with the homemade version.
Hm... Maybe there's another solution to the tape measure issue. The Lee
Valley story tape. They won't have any issues around the 24" or 44"
marks. http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?c=&p=65359&cat=1,43513
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Perhaps constructing one with 16 beads, then inch fractions could be
> handled, base 16.
>
>
>> "allen476" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:37dcb3b5-7c73-40df-9fc2-a2d5e10d7341@o15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
>> . .. No, I need one of these......
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-Classic-Wooden-Abacus/dp/B00005BVRQ
>> / ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1274146081&sr=8-1
>>
>> Seems that when the measurement is in the 24-26" range that my neuron
>> powered calculator comes up about 1/4" short. Two projects in a row
>> that has happened. Maybe an abacus will solve it or I should go back
>> to 4th grade and learn fractions over again.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
If you make it only 16" wide, then you'll avoid that spot on the tape
measure that gives you trouble. ;-)
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
On 2010-05-19 19:14:01 -0400, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> said:
> No, it's purely gravitational.
I beg to differ. If it keeps stuff suspended above the floor, it's
CLEARLY anti-gravitational.
On 2010-05-19 23:45:43 -0400, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> said:
> No, it would be anti-gravitational if the devices were repelled by the surface
> (accelerated away from it). As it is, they're in perfect equilibrium - equal
> and opposite forces.
Audiences -- that's what ruins comedy.
On 2010-05-20 00:13:35 -0400, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> said:
> Certainly isn't any levity around here.
Someone's been listening to Eric Idle...
On May 16, 9:00=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> allen476 <[email protected]> wrote innews:88c36ef1-f4d4-4d4e-ae70-4d33a95=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 7:05=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> *trim*
> >> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". =A0Anyone else
> >> have a similiar issue? =A0I cut a piece wrong, then made another and c=
ut
> >> that piece exactly wrong again!
>
> >> Puckdropper
> >> --
> >> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
>
> > My tape measure doesn't read right around 24". For some reason, the
> > boards at that length end up usually shorter but sometimes longer than
> > they should be. Also I noticed that the glue bottle being placed on
> > the bench makes all my parts not fit together after I just had them
> > together 10 minutes before.
>
> > Allen
>
> Hm... If I use your tape for the longer boards and you use mine for the
> shorter boards, maybe we can work around this problem. =A0I hate having t=
o
> get the board stretcher out. ;-)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Do you have the Festool board stretcher, the one with the 110"
extension rails or is it the homemade version? I looked at the Festool
version at Woodcraft, It would save me a lot of time over using my
shop built version but can't bring myself to spend the $1500 on it.
Maybe we should lobby the lumber industry to make lumber that is self
stretching instead.
We could exchange tape measures but mine is a 24" problem where as
yours is a 44". I think then we could solve both of our problems at
once. Hopefully they wouldn't get damaged in transit and then both of
them would have the same problems.
Allen
On May 16, 7:05=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
> move. =A0However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easil=
y. =A0
> Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
>
> The 3M sand paper is good stuff. =A0Every piece I've replaced has never h=
ad
> to be cleaned and works for a long time.
>
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". =A0Anyone else have=
a
> similiar issue? =A0I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that pi=
ece
> exactly wrong again!
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
My tape measure doesn't read right around 24". For some reason, the
boards at that length end up usually shorter but sometimes longer than
they should be. Also I noticed that the glue bottle being placed on
the bench makes all my parts not fit together after I just had them
together 10 minutes before.
Allen
Zz Yzx wrote:
>
> What I notice is that when I want to use my tablesaw, I have to move
> stuff to my bench. But if I want to use my bench, I have to move
> stuff to my table saw. (Small shop syndrome). I NEVER can use either
> without moving stuff first.
>
As it should be.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:11:55 -0400, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-05-16 20:53:34 -0400, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> said:
>
>> It's the curse of horizontal surfaces.
>
>They're anti-gravitational devices, generating powerful forces which
>attracts stuff!
No, it's purely gravitational. The only thing that attracts more than a table
is the floor (lower potential energy), particularly if it's breakable (higher
entropy).
On May 16, 7:05=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
> move. =A0However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easil=
y. =A0
> Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
>
> The 3M sand paper is good stuff. =A0Every piece I've replaced has never h=
ad
> to be cleaned and works for a long time.
>
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". =A0Anyone else have=
a
> similiar issue? =A0I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that pi=
ece
> exactly wrong again!
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Another observation I made this weekend, Whatever blade you have in
the TS is the wrong blade just when you are hurrying to finish
something. It is never wrong when you have plenty of time to finish.
It must be a conspiracy between the clock and the saw.
Allen
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else have a
> similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that piece
> exactly wrong again!
In the same vein, trying to find a dropped screw by dropping another screw
and seeing where it goes results in two lost screws. Consistent--but still
not productive.
I've found that the boards which move on the table saw the most, are the
ones most likely to not survive the fall to the floor.
Sandpaper rule: When you blow the dust off the wood, blow the dust off
the sandpaper too.
Every flat surface becomes a table. This is especially true when you're
making a table.
When you start dropping things, it time to take a break.
If you can't find the tool you were using just a few minutes ago, it's
either time to clean your shop, or time to retire.
On May 19, 7:14=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:11:55 -0400, Steve <[email protected]> w=
rote:
> >On 2010-05-16 20:53:34 -0400, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com>=
said:
>
> >> It's the curse of horizontal surfaces.
>
> >They're anti-gravitational devices, generating powerful forces which
> >attracts stuff!
>
> No, it's purely gravitational. =A0The only thing that attracts more than =
a table
> is the floor (lower potential energy), particularly if it's breakable (hi=
gher
> entropy). =A0
My shop there is a funky anti gravitational vortex. The scrap never
falls and hits the floor while the pieces I just cut out are instantly
damaged from falling out of my hands before I could set them down.
My next shop is going to be in outer space.
Allen
On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:45:43 -0500, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:23:52 -0400, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-05-19 19:14:01 -0400, "[email protected]"
>><[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> No, it's purely gravitational.
>>
>>I beg to differ. If it keeps stuff suspended above the floor, it's
>>CLEARLY anti-gravitational.
>
>No, it would be anti-gravitational if the devices were repelled by the surface
>(accelerated away from it). As it is, they're in perfect equilibrium - equal
>and opposite forces.
Ah! The Oracle knows about these things. Let's ask!
(From a post I saved ca 1998)
Asking the mystic Oracle...
Question: If you drop a buttered piece of bread, it will fall on the
floor butter side down. If a cat is dropped from a window or some
other high and towering place, it will land on its feet.
But if you attach a buttered piece of bread, butter side up to a cat's
back and toss them both out the window? Will the cat land on its feet?
Or will the butter splat on the ground?
And in response, thus spake the Oracle:
Even if you are too lazy to do the experiment yourself you should be
able to deduce the obvious result. The laws of butterology demand that
the butter must hit the ground, and the equally strict laws of feline
aerodynamics demand that the cat can not smash its furry back.
If the combined construct were to land, nature would have no way to
resolve this paradox. Therefore, it simply does not fall.
That's right, you clever mortal, (well, as clever as a mortal can get)
you have discovered the secret of *ANTIGRAVITY*! A buttered cat will,
when released, quickly move to a height where forces of cat-twisting
and butter repulsion are in equilibrium. This equilibrium point can be
modified by scraping off some of the butter, or removing some of the
cat's limbs (not recommended, as it produces an unfavourably high
demand for fresh cats), allowing descent.
Most of the civilized species of the Universe already use this very
principle to drive their ships while within a planetary system. The
loud humming heard by most sighters of UFOs, is, in fact, the purring
of several hundred tabbies.
The one obvious danger is, of course, that if the cats manage to eat
the bread off their backs they will instantly plummet. Of course the
cats *will* land on their feet, but this generally doesn't do them
much good at all, since shortly after they make their graceful landing
several tons of red-hot starship and pissed off aliens come crashing
down on top of them.
--
The great thing about getting older is that
you don't lose all the other ages you've been.
-- Madeleine L'Engle
The new composite lumber and a heat gun affords many a fix for that
forgotten kerf allowance. When wll the saw blade companies finally learn?
Many suspect this is how the 2 x 4 ended up 1.5 x 3.5" originally.
"allen476" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:57c24a21-3921-4ecb-bb13-667be6b5513b@f14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 9:00 pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> allen476 <[email protected]> wrote
> innews:88c36ef1-f4d4-4d4e-ae70-4d33a95015ff@e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 7:05 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> *trim*
> >> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else
> >> have a similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut
> >> that piece exactly wrong again!
>
> >> Puckdropper
> >> --
> >> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
>
> > My tape measure doesn't read right around 24". For some reason, the
> > boards at that length end up usually shorter but sometimes longer than
> > they should be. Also I noticed that the glue bottle being placed on
> > the bench makes all my parts not fit together after I just had them
> > together 10 minutes before.
>
> > Allen
>
> Hm... If I use your tape for the longer boards and you use mine for the
> shorter boards, maybe we can work around this problem. I hate having to
> get the board stretcher out. ;-)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Do you have the Festool board stretcher, the one with the 110"
extension rails or is it the homemade version? I looked at the Festool
version at Woodcraft, It would save me a lot of time over using my
shop built version but can't bring myself to spend the $1500 on it.
Maybe we should lobby the lumber industry to make lumber that is self
stretching instead.
We could exchange tape measures but mine is a 24" problem where as
yours is a 44". I think then we could solve both of our problems at
once. Hopefully they wouldn't get damaged in transit and then both of
them would have the same problems.
Allen
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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ:[email protected]...
> When some boards are placed on the table saw, they don't seem to want to
> move. However, when others are placed in the same spot they move easily.
> Might this mean the ones reluctant to move are flat?
>
> The 3M sand paper is good stuff. Every piece I've replaced has never had
> to be cleaned and works for a long time.
>
> I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else have a
> similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that piece
> exactly wrong again!
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
It would appear some people just do not realize the gravity of the
situation.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
No, it would be anti-gravitational if the devices were repelled by the
surface
(accelerated away from it). As it is, they're in perfect equilibrium -
equal
and opposite forces.
On 16 May 2010 11:05:38 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>I can't seem to read the tape properly at around 44". Anyone else have a
>similiar issue? I cut a piece wrong, then made another and cut that piece
>exactly wrong again!
>
There's your mistake. You should have immediately turned the original piece
around and cut the same amount off the opposite end. It would still be wrong,
but now it is balanced. <vbg>
Regards,
Roy
On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:23:52 -0400, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-05-19 19:14:01 -0400, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> said:
>
>> No, it's purely gravitational.
>
>I beg to differ. If it keeps stuff suspended above the floor, it's
>CLEARLY anti-gravitational.
No, it would be anti-gravitational if the devices were repelled by the surface
(accelerated away from it). As it is, they're in perfect equilibrium - equal
and opposite forces.
Some horizontal surfaces are very attractive. Perhaps female ones?
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
They're anti-gravitational devices, generating powerful forces which
attracts stuff!
On 2010-05-16 20:53:34 -0400, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com>
said:
> It's the curse of horizontal surfaces.
On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:27:04 -0400, DJ Delorie <[email protected]> wrote
the following:
>I've found that the boards which move on the table saw the most, are the
>ones most likely to not survive the fall to the floor.
>
>Sandpaper rule: When you blow the dust off the wood, blow the dust off
>the sandpaper too.
>
>Every flat surface becomes a table. This is especially true when you're
>making a table.
>
>When you start dropping things, it time to take a break.
>
>If you can't find the tool you were using just a few minutes ago, it's
>either time to clean your shop, or time to retire.
I like 'em all, though they're all too damned true! <grumble,grumble>
--
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter
the state of facts and evidence. -- John Adams, December 1770
'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials'
Perhaps constructing one with 16 beads, then inch fractions could be
handled, base 16.
"allen476" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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No, I need one of these......
http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-Classic-Wooden-Abacus/dp/B00005BVRQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1274146081&sr=8-1
Seems that when the measurement is in the 24-26" range that my neuron
powered calculator comes up about 1/4" short. Two projects in a row
that has happened. Maybe an abacus will solve it or I should go back
to 4th grade and learn fractions over again.
Allen