I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
bench. The current plans are for a wagon vise on the end and a leg vise.
No problem there.
Here is the question, is there any reason - except the slowness of the
opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and use 1
1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise? I thought about a 1" 6tpi wooden
screw on the wagon vise.
There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if any
of you could enlighten me. The bench is going to be out of 7/4 southern red
oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
Thanks
Deb
On Saturday, May 5, 2012 1:40:50 PM UTC-7, Dr. Deb wrote:
> I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
> bench. ...is there any reason - except the slowness of the
> opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and use 1
> 1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise?
Well, sure there is. Your screw would have 1/12 " threads sticking up,
and that is a very bad short-grain situation. That can be made a little
better by using triangular threads instead of square threads, but it's
still 1/6" at the base. The triangular screw also wedges tight
when you apply any force, and wedges worse if the shaft doesn't remain
completely straight.
A steel square-thread nut/screw is superior to wood, and they're cheap.
Buy. Enjoy.
On May 7, 9:44=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 05:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 5, 4:40=A0pm, "Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
> >> bench. =A0The current plans are for a wagon vise on the end and a leg =
vise.
> >> No problem there.
>
> >> Here is the question, is there any reason - except the slowness of the
> >> opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and u=
se 1
> >> 1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise? =A0 I thought about a 1" 6tpi w=
ooden
> >> screw on the wagon vise.
>
> >> There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if=
any
> >> of you could enlighten me. =A0The bench is going to be out of 7/4 sout=
hern red
> >> oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
>
> >> Thanks
>
> >> Deb
>
> >You may want to consider a vise like this for your bench.
> >http://www.woodweb.com/galleries/shop/images/248/workbench_tail_vise.jpg
> >I put a similar one on my benct and love it. =A0The dog holes give you
> >plenty of clamping/holding options. =A0I also put a hole in the tail
> >section and ran a second set of holes. =A0This gives me two rows of
> >holes running the length of my bench.
>
> Nice!
>
> >For the hardware I just bought a screw from Grizzly.
> >http://www.grizzly.com/products/Bench-Screw/H5577
>
> What the hell? =A0There's only one attachment point. How does that work?
> It's missing a pivot piece by the handle. =A0Seehttp://tinyurl.com/7o2nen=
9andhttp://tinyurl.com/89bnvlvfor
> reference.
>
Thanks for the correction. I did use the first one you linked to.
Not even sure what you would do with that first screw I erroneously
posted.
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On May 5, 4:40=A0pm, "Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
> bench. =A0The current plans are for a wagon vise on the end and a leg vis=
e.
> No problem there.
>
> Here is the question, is there any reason - except the slowness of the
> opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and use =
1
> 1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise? =A0 I thought about a 1" 6tpi wood=
en
> screw on the wagon vise.
>
> There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if an=
y
> of you could enlighten me. =A0The bench is going to be out of 7/4 souther=
n red
> oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
>
> Thanks
>
> Deb
You may want to consider a vise like this for your bench.
http://www.woodweb.com/galleries/shop/images/248/workbench_tail_vise.jpg
I put a similar one on my benct and love it. The dog holes give you
plenty of clamping/holding options. I also put a hole in the tail
section and ran a second set of holes. This gives me two rows of
holes running the length of my bench.
For the hardware I just bought a screw from Grizzly.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Bench-Screw/H5577
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 05:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 5, 4:40 pm, "Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
>> bench. The current plans are for a wagon vise on the end and a leg vise.
>> No problem there.
>>
>> Here is the question, is there any reason - except the slowness of the
>> opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and use 1
>> 1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise? I thought about a 1" 6tpi wooden
>> screw on the wagon vise.
>>
>> There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if any
>> of you could enlighten me. The bench is going to be out of 7/4 southern red
>> oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Deb
>
>You may want to consider a vise like this for your bench.
>http://www.woodweb.com/galleries/shop/images/248/workbench_tail_vise.jpg
>I put a similar one on my benct and love it. The dog holes give you
>plenty of clamping/holding options. I also put a hole in the tail
>section and ran a second set of holes. This gives me two rows of
>holes running the length of my bench.
Nice!
>For the hardware I just bought a screw from Grizzly.
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/Bench-Screw/H5577
What the hell? There's only one attachment point. How does that work?
It's missing a pivot piece by the handle. See
http://tinyurl.com/7o2nen9 and http://tinyurl.com/89bnvlv for
reference.
--
Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power.
-- Seneca
A second thought on your wood choice, might be worth researching if
red oak was typically used "back in the day." I don't know for sure,
but my guess would be that something with a tighter grain, or maybe
interlocking grain, would do better.
--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
On Sat, 05 May 2012 15:40:50 -0500, Dr. Deb wrote:
> I thought about a 1" 6tpi wooden
> screw on the wagon vise.
>
> There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if
> any of you could enlighten me. The bench is going to be out of 7/4
> southern red oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
I've made a couple of vises with wooden screws. I used maple - I think
it holds threads a lot better than a coarse grained wood like oak.
One warning - the thread cutter I used, one like this:
<http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2000792/2411/woodthreading-kit-112-x-6-
tpi.aspx>
is actually metric. A nominal 1" is actually a 25mm. Doesn't sound like
much, but I had to chuck up a 1" dowel and turn it down a smidgen to make
it work.
Also, I don't think 1/2" would be strong enough - I'd go with the 1".
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
In article <[email protected]>,
Dr. Deb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Larry W wrote:
>
>> A second thought on your wood choice, might be worth researching if
>> red oak was typically used "back in the day." I don't know for sure,
>> but my guess would be that something with a tighter grain, or maybe
>> interlocking grain, would do better.
>>
>>
>
>
>Larry, I will see what I can find. I have some soft maple, which cuts very
>well. But, for obvious reasons, I would prefer hard maple. You don't
>happen to have a full 2x2 of hard maple, about 42" long, in your hip pocket,
>do you? :-)
>
>Thanks
>
>Deb
No, I'm just happy to see you. :)
--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
On Mon, 7 May 2012 07:06:41 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 7, 9:44 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 May 2012 05:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 5, 4:40 pm, "Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> I am in the process of getting everything ready to build a woodworkers
>> >> bench. The current plans are for a wagon vise on the end and a leg vise.
>> >> No problem there.
>>
>> >> Here is the question, is there any reason - except the slowness of the
>> >> opening and closure of the vise - I could not use a thread maker and use 1
>> >> 1/2 6tpi wooden screw on the leg vise? I thought about a 1" 6tpi wooden
>> >> screw on the wagon vise.
>>
>> >> There has to be a serious problem that I am not seeing and wondered if any
>> >> of you could enlighten me. The bench is going to be out of 7/4 southern red
>> >> oak and I was thinking about using the same for the screws.
>>
>> >> Thanks
>>
>> >> Deb
>>
>> >You may want to consider a vise like this for your bench.
>> >http://www.woodweb.com/galleries/shop/images/248/workbench_tail_vise.jpg
>> >I put a similar one on my benct and love it. The dog holes give you
>> >plenty of clamping/holding options. I also put a hole in the tail
>> >section and ran a second set of holes. This gives me two rows of
>> >holes running the length of my bench.
>>
>> Nice!
>>
>> >For the hardware I just bought a screw from Grizzly.
>> >http://www.grizzly.com/products/Bench-Screw/H5577
>>
>> What the hell? There's only one attachment point. How does that work?
>> It's missing a pivot piece by the handle. Seehttp://tinyurl.com/7o2nen9andhttp://tinyurl.com/89bnvlvfor
>> reference.
>>
>
>Thanks for the correction. I did use the first one you linked to.
>Not even sure what you would do with that first screw I erroneously
>posted.
That thing bothered me so much I called Griz this morning and talked
to a nice lady in Customer Service. She neither knew what it was for
nor quite how it worked, so she gave me the number for Griz T/S, who
wasn't up at that hour.
--
Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power.
-- Seneca
Larry W wrote:
> A second thought on your wood choice, might be worth researching if
> red oak was typically used "back in the day." I don't know for sure,
> but my guess would be that something with a tighter grain, or maybe
> interlocking grain, would do better.
>
>
Larry, I will see what I can find. I have some soft maple, which cuts very
well. But, for obvious reasons, I would prefer hard maple. You don't
happen to have a full 2x2 of hard maple, about 42" long, in your hip pocket,
do you? :-)
Thanks
Deb