"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This thing
has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a manual
table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.
But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. I bet it is a big hit
for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.
I don't do anything like that and I still want one.
<experiencing tool lust here>
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
> could sell it for
> a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
> what they
> pay anyway. Marketing ploy?
>
If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will knock it
off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less though. I don't see
this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe three different models
depending on precision and ruggedness may be in order.
Are you reading this Rob Lee? You think that Veritas may be interested in
producing a similar tool to this?? Hint, hint. :)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
>>> height of the blade.
>>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
>>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>>
>>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
>>> height"
>>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>>>
>>>
>> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
>> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
>> Art
>
>
> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>
Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small precise work.
Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And when you start to do small
stuff on the table saw, the danger element goes up. Soooo......, something
that reduces the risk and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for
someone who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.
jo4hn wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
> As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
> ($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.
Wait a few years and Harbor Freight will have a copy at $39.95.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 10:39 AM -MIKE- spake thus:
>
>> Steve Turner wrote:
>
> >
>
>>> Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill
>>> sound that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the
>>> wrong place right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... <shudder>
>>
>>
>> Don't worry, SawStop is coming out with their own version.
>
>
> Right: it'll attach to your skull with electrodes, and freeze all your
> limbs when it senses you're too close to the blade.
>
>
I was thinks more along the lines of a 44 magnum with the barrel pointed
towards the operator.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Oct 27, 6:08=A0am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. =A0 It adjust=
s the
> >>> height of the blade.
> >>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you ne=
ed
> >>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>
> >>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
> >>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
> >>> height"
> >>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>
> >> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
> >> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
> >> Art
>
> > For the money you can get an electric TS. =A0;~)
>
> .....Or less even. =A0I just bought a new 12" TS, =A0L.H tilt, with slidi=
ng
> table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for le=
ss
> than =A0AUD$700
How is that comparable? Other than the fact that they both cut wood,
they are barely related in market(ing).
I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
small and quiet. Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning. I'm
finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. I use earplugs,
but I don't like the noise, period. You can also stick it up on a
shelf when it's not in use.
R
On Oct 27, 2:45=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 9:27 AM RicodJour spake thus:
>
> > I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
> > small and quiet. =A0Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
> > to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning. =A0I'=
m
> > finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. =A0I use earplugs,
> > but I don't like the noise, period. =A0You can also stick it up on a
> > shelf when it's not in use.
>
> Yep, agreed. After my initial misgivings, I realized that this is a
> pretty original tool worthy of consideration. I would expect to see more
> tools like it, and more variations in the next few years. And it
> certainly wouldn't be beyond a dedicated DIYer to come up with a doable
> design.
Agreed. It's not clear that having the workpiece move is the best way
and it is certainly not as safe as having the saw blade mounted on a
sliding track and moving it through the clamped workpiece. It would
be slower, though.
R
On Oct 27, 12:52=A0am, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/26/2009 7:40 PM Artemus spake thus:
>
> > "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. =A0 It adjusts=
the
> >> height of the blade.
> >> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you nee=
d
> >> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>
> >> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
> >> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade he=
ight"
> >> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>
> > For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
> > raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
>
> Exactly what I was thinking: there should be a ratcheting jack that
> raises the blade on the backstroke, adjustable, and able to be defeated
> for repeat cuts with the blade at the same height.
>
> Hell, for $1300, why not?
Maybe a three-stop turret like on a router?
R
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>>
>>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>>Brilliant!!
>>
>>Expensive!!!!
>
> And out of stock.
>
> Bridge City has never been known for affordability.
That may be a matter openion. Way way back when I used to buy their
products. I have some of their rules, an angle gauge and a Squivel with a
penny in it. Not long after their road to recovery their prices got out of
hand.
On Oct 27, 10:41=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, I'm thinking now that a nice little table that holds a
> Multimaster could be a handy thing. =A0Not what you'd use for ripping 8/4
> lumber but for dovetails and the like the thin blades could be handy. =A0=
OTOH
> might work as well hand-held. =A0Never though of trying that before.
Hmmm, that's not a bad idea at all. Easy enough to rig up, and having
the ability to have a preset angle is perfect for dovetails or tenon
shoulder cuts.
R
On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
Couple-three things:
$1300? Fuck no.
Per several comments on the /Make/ page, the plastic bevel gears and
aluminum parts look cheesy.
There's a real ergonomic problem here: unless you have a helper, you
need one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the
work.
A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent
of power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from
drill presses to jigsaws.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/26/2009 7:40 PM Artemus spake thus:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
>> height of the blade.
>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>
>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>
> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Exactly what I was thinking: there should be a ratcheting jack that
raises the blade on the backstroke, adjustable, and able to be defeated
for repeat cuts with the blade at the same height.
Hell, for $1300, why not?
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 9:27 AM RicodJour spake thus:
> On Oct 27, 6:08 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
>> .....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with sliding
>> table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for less
>> than AUD$700
>
> How is that comparable? Other than the fact that they both cut wood,
> they are barely related in market(ing).
>
> I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
> small and quiet. Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
> to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning. I'm
> finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. I use earplugs,
> but I don't like the noise, period. You can also stick it up on a
> shelf when it's not in use.
Yep, agreed. After my initial misgivings, I realized that this is a
pretty original tool worthy of consideration. I would expect to see more
tools like it, and more variations in the next few years. And it
certainly wouldn't be beyond a dedicated DIYer to come up with a doable
design.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 9:50 AM Nonny spake thus:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>
>> Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small
>> precise work. Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And
>> when you start to do small stuff on the table saw, the danger
>> element goes up. Soooo......, something that reduces the risk
>> and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for someone
>> who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.
>
> What's involved in sharpening or replacing the blade?
Dunno for sure, but it looks to be no more complicated than removing a
few screws. (I'm guessing there are some blade clamps on the bottom edge.)
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 9:49 AM RicodJour spake thus:
> Agreed. It's not clear that having the workpiece move is the best way
> and it is certainly not as safe as having the saw blade mounted on a
> sliding track and moving it through the clamped workpiece. It would
> be slower, though.
Regarding safety, my guess is that this saw is only unsafe in the sense
that a bandsaw is more unsafe than a table saw, as counterintuitive as
that seems. I say that because a table saw, while it is probably
actually more dangerous, warns the user with a screaming blade and other
noise, while the bandsaw just sits there humming away, ready to take off
one's thumb.
The Bridge City saw (what do we call that tool, anyhow?) is even quieter
than a bandsaw, so that probably increases its inherent dangerousness.
But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
second to where your hands are.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 9:58 AM Kevin spake thus:
> Doing dovetails on that thing was pretty cool though.
Yeah, just think of the production speed (and accuracy!) one could get
cranking out pins and tails. 90% of your time would be spent chopping
out waste.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 10:39 AM -MIKE- spake thus:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>
>> Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill sound
>> that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the wrong place
>> right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... <shudder>
>
> Don't worry, SawStop is coming out with their own version.
Right: it'll attach to your skull with electrodes, and freeze all your
limbs when it senses you're too close to the blade.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
On 10/27/2009 2:10 PM CW spake thus:
> "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
>>>>> second to where your hands are.
>>>>>
>>>> Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
>>>
>>> Kind of like you do with *every* operation on a table saw? or router?
>>> or bandsaw? or... (grin)
>>
>> Yes, but with those tools you're not hurtling your hands into harms way at
>> a high rate of speed. Well, *I'm* not anyway. :-)
>>
> Chances, though, that with the tablesaw you will lose a finger or worse.
> With the non powered device, you will bleed but it would take real work to
> remove a finger.
Even bloodying a finger on the stationary saw blade would be a big FAIL
in my book.
I'm happy to say that I've never even nicked my finger on a tablesaw
blade, spinning or not. And that's not by accident.
Now, my experience with just plain old knife blades is a whole 'nother
story ...
--
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blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?
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On 10/27/2009 1:32 PM Nova spake thus:
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> On 10/27/2009 10:39 AM -MIKE- spake thus:
>>
>>> Steve Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill
>>>> sound that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the
>>>> wrong place right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... <shudder>
>>>
>>> Don't worry, SawStop is coming out with their own version.
>>
>> Right: it'll attach to your skull with electrodes, and freeze all your
>> limbs when it senses you're too close to the blade.
>
> I was thinks more along the lines of a 44 magnum with the barrel pointed
> towards the operator.
Ah, yes; that's the "single use" model.
--
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blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?
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On Oct 26, 8:30=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...> Maybe some Festool co=
mpetition.
>
> >http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This th=
ing
> has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a manual
> table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
> apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
> production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.
>
> But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
> wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. =A0I bet it is a big h=
it
> for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.
>
> I don't do anything like that and I still want one.
>
> <experiencing tool lust here>
I had not looked into BCT before, but then again I haven't dragged my
knuckles on the ground for quite a long time *S*. I do see the appeal
though. I'll just stick with the plug-ins for the time being.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
> Bridge City Tool Works has always sold high end, expensive tools. This
> thing has to be the most expensive hand saw I have ever seen. Or is it a
> manual table saw? Whatever it is, it is wonderful. I am drooling here. And
> apparently so many people liked it that they have run out of their first
> production run. If you want one, you have to get on a list.
>
> But it looks like just the ticket for small, precise parts. Model makers,
> wood turners, doll house makers, mineratures, etc. I bet it is a big hit
> for anybody who needs those small, precise parts.
>
> I don't do anything like that and I still want one.
>
> <experiencing tool lust here>
>
I'm happy there's a video... it is worth seeing. I fail to see the
utility, at any price, though.
Ed
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
>> second to where your hands are.
>>
> Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
>
Kind of like you do with *every* operation on a table saw? or router? or
bandsaw? or... (grin)
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>
>> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
>>>> second to where your hands are.
>>>>
>>> Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
>>>
>>
>> Kind of like you do with *every* operation on a table saw? or router?
>> or bandsaw? or... (grin)
>
> Yes, but with those tools you're not hurtling your hands into harms way at
> a high rate of speed. Well, *I'm* not anyway. :-)
>
I'll admit I noticed that in the video and cringed a bit each time the stock
went towards the blade. I assume there are guards left off for
demonstration purposes.
I said way back there, that I didn't really see the utility... I'll add the
qualifer, "for me".
Ed
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
>>> height of the blade.
>>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
>>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>>
>>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
>>> height"
>>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>>>
>>>
>> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
>> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
>> Art
>
>
> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>
.....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with sliding
table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for less
than AUD$700
diggerop
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:013d4299-68b9-4208-8c54-d27d4a08d66e@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 6:08 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> > For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>
> .....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with sliding
> table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for
> less
> than AUD$700
>How is that comparable? Other than the fact that they both cut wood,
>they are barely related in market(ing).
Who's comparing? Perhaps I could have put it more clearly. I'll try again:
.......
> > For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>
> .....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with sliding
> table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style fence for
> less
> than AUD$700
No comparison of saws in that, just a comment on TS prices. .......It's
about the money ......... : )
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
>
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
> it cheap.
Hmm. Make your own?
What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
(think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.
"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There's a real ergonomic problem here: unless you have a helper, you need
> one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the work.
>
> A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent of
> power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from drill
> presses to jigsaws.
>
Unless I was watching something completely different where/why do you need
to crank the saw?
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks
>> like they could sell it for
>> a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they
>> save than what they
>> pay anyway. Marketing ploy?
>>
> If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will
> knock it off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less
> though. I don't see this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe
> three different models depending on precision and ruggedness
> may be in order.
That's what people thought for 17 years regarding the Fein Multimaster.
Didn't happen.
Then, last November, the patent expired....
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
>>>> adjusts the
>>>> height of the blade.
>>>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep,"
>>>> so you need
>>>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>>>
>>>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>>>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting
>>>> blade height"
>>>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
>>>> practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
>>> automatically
>>> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each
>>> pass.
>>> Art
>>
>>
>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
> Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small
> precise work. Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And
> when you start to do small stuff on the table saw, the danger
> element goes up. Soooo......, something that reduces the risk
> and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for someone
> who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.
>
>
>
What's involved in sharpening or replacing the blade?
--
Nonny
Don't argue with an idiot;
people around you may not be
able to tell the difference.
Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> Lew
>
>Brilliant!!
>
>Expensive!!!!
And out of stock.
Bridge City has never been known for affordability.
scott
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
>> height of the blade.
>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>
>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
>> height"
>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>>
>>
> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
> Art
For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> Lew
>
A few years ago, some teenage kid had rigged up an old Scroll Saw with a
burned out motor to an old tredle sewing machine base. He had maybe $10 in
it (mostly for new blades). He powered the tredle which powered the scroll
saw by way of a round belt.
He was going to make Christmas ornaments, gadgets, and thing-a-ma-doodles to
sell and earn his college money from it.
It cut up a storm.
Smart kid.
Axel
On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> Lew
I'm waiting for the SAWSTOP version of this to come out!
=20
Marc
On Oct 26, 7:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> Lew
Brilliant!!
Expensive!!!!
On Oct 27, 3:21=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 9:58 AM Kevin spake thus:
>
> > Doing dovetails on that thing was pretty cool though.
>
> Yeah, just think of the production speed (and accuracy!) one could get
> cranking out pins and tails. 90% of your time would be spent chopping
> out waste.
If it were simply production I was concerned with, I'd have the
dovetailed boxes made, finished and delivered. I'm in it for me and
my enjoyment.
R
On Oct 27, 11:40=A0am, "WW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Just a thought>>>>>How about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
> speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW
Or you could just have the 300 pound wife crank it. :)
R
"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Even bloodying a finger on the stationary saw blade would be a big FAIL in
> my book.
>
I agree. At first, I was surprised that the safety subject came up at all
then I realized that there are people out there that need a seatbelt on a
toilet.
jo4hn wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
> As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
> ($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.
Clever idea but seems expensive for what it is.
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
> I'm happy there's a video... it is worth seeing. I fail to see the
> utility, at any price, though.
I had the same thought until I remembered that there are a /lot/ of
apartment-dwellers who don't have shop space available.
Quiet operaion and ease of dust control might be attractive to them, and
I suspect other designs will appear to solve the price problem.
I was just thinking that it should be possible to build a CNC version
for considerably less money than Bridge City's manual version - and that
the CNC version needn't be significantly noisier...
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
> There's a real ergonomic problem here: unless you have a helper, you
> need one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the
> work.
>
The hand crank is only for adjusting blade height.
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Doug Brown wrote:
> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> There's a real ergonomic problem here: unless you have a helper, you need
>> one hand to crank the saw, leaving only one other hand to guide the work.
>>
>> A better arrangement might be to use a foot treadle. Before the advent of
>> power tools, there were lots and lots of treadle-powered tools, from drill
>> presses to jigsaws.
>>
> Unless I was watching something completely different where/why do you need
> to crank the saw?
>
You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
height of the blade.
Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
"making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
In any case, it seems to be designed with hold down clamps so it can be
guided singled-handedly.
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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
> height of the blade.
> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>
> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>
>
For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
Art
Artemus wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It adjusts the
>> height of the blade.
>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you need
>> to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>
>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade height"
>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some practice.
>>
>>
> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which automatically
> raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount with each pass.
> Art
>
Great idea, and you're right.
It would be a pretty easy thing, mechanically.
I've seen it on 18-19th century machines.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>>
>>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag
>> ($1200) turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.
>
> $1300.00
Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
could sell it for
a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
what they
pay anyway. Marketing ploy?
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>
> Lew
Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill sound
that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the wrong place
right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... <shudder>
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
>>>> adjusts the height of the blade.
>>>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you
>>>> need to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>>>
>>>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>>>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
>>>> height"
>>>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
>>>> practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
>>> automatically raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount
>>> with each pass. Art
>>
>>
>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
> Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small
> precise work. Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And when
> you start to do small stuff on the table saw, the danger element goes
> up. Soooo......, something that reduces the risk and makes small
> parts may be a niche product. But for someone who could use it, it
> is probably really worth the money.
FWIW, for small stuff consider an RAS--cutting those tiny little bits at the
end of his video is easy on one. Remember that an RAS will rip fine with
the blade in the crosscut position as long as the length of the stock is
less than the blade travel. The danger is much less because you have many
options for securing the stock, which doesn't have to move during the cut,
and with a fresh fence you automatically have zero clearance.
diggerop wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to crank it while using it, technically. It
>>>> adjusts the height of the blade.
>>>> Unfortunately, with hard woods, you can only cut "so deep," so you
>>>> need to take shallow passes... kind of like a router.
>>>>
>>>> The guy in the video seems pretty adept at
>>>> "making a pass-adjusting blade height-making a pass-adjusting blade
>>>> height"
>>>> pretty quickly, as I figure most users would get after some
>>>> practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the money they want it should have a mechanism which
>>> automatically raises the blade height by a user adjustable amount
>>> with each pass. Art
>>
>>
>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
>
>
> .....Or less even. I just bought a new 12" TS, L.H tilt, with
> sliding table, two table extensions and a primitive biesemeyer style
> fence for less than AUD$700
Just remember that to get a flat bottomed dovetail with a table saw you need
a special grind on the blade--but Forrest will sell you one of those for
about 1/10 what the device under discussion costs.
>
> diggerop
HeyBub wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks
>>> like they could sell it for
>>> a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they
>>> save than what they
>>> pay anyway. Marketing ploy?
>>>
>> If so, it seems that if it works as well as it seems, somebody will
>> knock it off and sell it for less. I don't know how much less
>> though. I don't see this as a high production tool or anything. Maybe
>> three different models depending on precision and ruggedness
>> may be in order.
>
> That's what people thought for 17 years regarding the Fein
> Multimaster. Didn't happen.
>
> Then, last November, the patent expired....
Speaking of which, I'm thinking now that a nice little table that holds a
Multimaster could be a handy thing. Not what you'd use for ripping 8/4
lumber but for dovetails and the like the thin blades could be handy. OTOH
might work as well hand-held. Never though of trying that before.
WW wrote:
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
>>>
>>>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>> I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
>>> it cheap.
>> Hmm. Make your own?
>>
>> What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
>> (think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.
>
> Just a thought>>>>>How about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
> speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW
>>
I saw one at the Indiana State Fair (pioneer tools)--leg operated, of
course. Actually more of a sabre-saw.
RicodJour wrote:
> I think a large number of people would be interested just because it's
> small and quiet. Not too many people have wives that wouldn't object
> to firing up the table saw in the basement at two in the morning.
True dat. I have a friend who uses nothing but hand tools, because he
works in his living room... yes, he's single, and he lives in the upper
half of a duplex.
> I'm
> finding machine noise more objectionable as I age. I use earplugs,
> but I don't like the noise, period. You can also stick it up on a
> shelf when it's not in use.
>
> R
It's all relative, isn't it? This new-to-me Delta seems silent compared
to that POS direct-drive Ryobi I replaced.
But I still wouldn't run it at 2am. :-)
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Steve Turner wrote:
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> Lew
>
> Hey, where's the friggin' blade guard? I hear the dentist-drill sound
> that thing makes, then I imagine sticking my finger in the wrong place
> right when I'm making an exuberant swipe, and... <shudder>
>
Don't worry, SawStop is coming out with their own version.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
> Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small precise work.
> Table saws in general do a bit of everything.
And this thing's really only useful for crosscuts, no? If you have to
rip anything of significant length you're going to have to switch to a
different tool.
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Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention
>>> every second to where your hands are.
>>>
>> Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
>>
>
> Kind of like you do with *every* operation on a table saw? or router?
> or bandsaw? or... (grin)
Yes, but with those tools you're not hurtling your hands into harms way
at a high rate of speed. Well, *I'm* not anyway. :-)
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"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
> second to where your hands are.
>
Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>> On 10/26/2009 3:41 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
>>
>>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>>
>>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> I think I'll wait until Harbor Freight makes a clone of it and sells
>> it cheap.
>
> Hmm. Make your own?
>
> What you need is a device with a table that adjusts instead of the blade
> (think Shopsmith) and a fixed, thin-bladed, cross-cut saw.
Just a thought>>>>>How about a 300 pound fly wheel you hand crank up to
speed to drive your table saw. No electric power needed. WW
>
>
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>
>> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> But I'd be willing to learn to use it. Just have to pay attention every
>>>> second to where your hands are.
>>>>
>>> Kind of like you do with a sled on your table saw?
>>>
>>
>> Kind of like you do with *every* operation on a table saw? or router?
>> or bandsaw? or... (grin)
>
> Yes, but with those tools you're not hurtling your hands into harms way at
> a high rate of speed. Well, *I'm* not anyway. :-)
>
Chances, though, that with the tablesaw you will lose a finger or worse.
With the non powered device, you will bleed but it would take real work to
remove a finger.
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:46:36 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> For the money you can get an electric TS. ;~)
>>
>Sure, but I still think this is really designed for very small precise work.
>Table saws in general do a bit of everything. And when you start to do small
>stuff on the table saw, the danger element goes up. Soooo......, something
>that reduces the risk and makes small parts may be a niche product. But for
>someone who could use it, it is probably really worth the money.
That blade on there will be more than happy to cut right through you
if you get careless with it, just like a circular blade.
http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html
You could buy the disc sander and drum sander along with it for less
money.
Doing dovetails on that thing was pretty cool though.
-Kevin
"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>>
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/electricity-free_tables_aw.html
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
> As before, it has a big oooooooooooooo factor. Then the price tag ($1200)
> turns it into a bit ohhhh sheeeeit factor.
$1300.00
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> Maybe some Festool competition.
>
>
> Maybe the price is just to help draws folks' interest. It looks like they
> could sell it for
> a lot less. And I hear people are more impressed with what they save than
> what they
> pay anyway. Marketing ploy?
>
They could sell it for less but you have to join their founders club at $45
per year for the privlidge of paying less. Hummm.