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27/10/2009 3:52 AM

OT: Florida Traveler Advisory - Bushnell, FL


Be forewarned that a trip down Florida's stretch of I-75 could cost
you plenty - upwards of $300 plus 3 points on your license. In
violation of Federal MUTCD regulations, a filthy, corrupt little
redneck county in Florida know as Sumter County has decided to target
travelers on I-75 to fill their empty coffers by engineering an
illegal traffic trap in front of Wendys/Wal-Mart on CR-48 in Sumter
County, Florida. The city of Bushnell and their cracker-ass team of
wreckless, dangerous, barely of age and untrained police, in spite of
warnings from the Florida State Attorney General stating that they are
prohibited from patrolling outside the city limits, have gamed this
cash cow to bleed money from tourists and the unwary in order to pay
for the County Development they lust after. After all, what's a gaggle
of cracker thieves who are incapable of actually doing anything
useful or attracting industry of any kind to their county to do but
steal the funds they desire from unwary travelers to their state and
it's imploding economy. Problem is, Sumter County sees all the tourist
money going to the southern and coastal portions of the state and they
want their share - deserved or not. And since tourists are unlikely to
fight in court from 800 miles away, they make the perfect target for
kangaroo traffic courts such as the one run by Thomas D. Skidmore who,
among many other "judges" nationwide, apparently cannot read or
properly interpret plain English State or Federal Laws as written or
intended.

In a poor rural county with less than 70,000 residents and no industry
to speak of, we have Jeb-aligned goon squads of corrupt lawyers,
police, judges and kangaroo courts who have decided they needed a
huge, new, gleaming Courthouse and bigger salaries to go along with
their federal prison. And they plan to pay for it by gaming the
traffic laws of this nation under the color of law. This county's
government and its seat, the city of Bushnell, is neck-deep in what is
tantamount to extortion and racketeering.

In a wretchedly uneducated, poverty stricken area known to most only
as the location of the U.S.'s largest Federal Prison, the Coleman
Federal Correctional Complex in Sumter County currently holds the
laurels as being the number one prison in the country in female inmate
rapes, alongside numerous federally prosecuted cases of corruption,
FBI stings, drug dealing, officer bribery and corruption. Reportedly
one of the many "new" privatized prisons being foisted on the American
public, inmates at this facility busy themselves by brewing hooch,
dealing and consuming drugs, rape, murder, bribery, and murder for
hire - with copious amounts of help from the prison guards. All of
this in the short 10 years this prison has been in full operation.

My advise is to stay FAR away from Sumter county, CR-48, and
considering the current economic meltdown which is occurring there,
Florida generally. Sumter county is located 50 miles north of Orlando.
The city of Bushnell, who patrols the engineered trap they have
devised in conjunction with the local FDOT offices, is one block east
of I-75, yet outside of the city's jurisdiction, but the local revenue
collectors, err... courts still enforce the $300 tickets issued in
spite of warnings from the state attorney general that what they are
doing is illegal. And anyone brash enough to contest the charges is
saddled with additional fines, court costs, mandated traffic schools,
and points on their licenses - out of state or otherwise. In the end,
considering insurance rate hikes, and their insistance in documenting
this a "ran a red light" infraction, it could even cost you your job.

Federal Class Action Law Suit Forthcoming.

If you have been the recipient of a ticket for violation of Florida
Statute 314.074 at the location of illegally placed No U-Turn signs
located on CR-48 one block east of I-75 in front of Wal-Mart, please
join our class action lawsuit against these inbred cretins and bring
justice to a nationwide horde of victims. And in this lousy economy,
getting your $300 back won't hurt anyone but these corrupt criminals.
Let these highway bandits get a real job if they want more money.

Contact: [email protected]


Greg G.


This topic has 89 replies

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 7:23 PM

Greg G. wrote:
> And of course, the 2000 election where people were forced from polling
> locations and prohibited from voting due to manufactured felon voter
> hit lists. I left Florida and moved to NJ in a hurry after witnessing
> that (and a few other things I won't get into here). Thank you,
> Katherine Harris and all the other ignorant, thieving NeoCons of S.FL.
> And Up Yours, Jeb Bush.
>

Heh!

It seems as if you have an objection to apparent skullduggery on the part of
state government officials.

So you moved to New Jersey (?).

You left a state with no income tax for New Jersey? New Jersey has the
highest property tax in the nation and the second highest income tax. These
taxes, coupled with sales taxes, inheritance taxes, etc., make New Jersey
the highest-taxed state in the nation. Since 2000 (the year when things went
really bad, according to you, in Florida), an estimated 250,000 people have
LEFT New Jersey. This outflux has been offset by: a) People fleeing even
worse conditions in New York City, and b) Fools.

The largest employer in the state is the state itself! Still, residents of
the Garden State can hold their heads high, secure in the knowledge, that,
well, at least they're not Michigan.

Look in the back of "New Jersey" magazine (available at the check-out line
in your local market). Most of the ads in the back are for people willing to
relocate themselves or their business to Pennsylvania or Connecticut.

Next Tuesday is an election for governor. The Newark Star-Ledger took the
John Galt position and endorsed neither the Democrat (Corzine) nor the
Republican (Christie).

DJ

Douglas Johnson

in reply to "HeyBub" on 30/10/2009 7:23 PM

02/11/2009 9:50 AM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 1, 8:27 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> and pretty women," I said.
>>
>I agree...but, but...then there is Montreal...Bahamas.....Oslo....
>Sarnia....

Stockholm. Oh, my god! But I have a weakness for leggy blondes.

-- Doug

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 2:58 PM

RE: Subject

What was the fine?

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 9:48 PM

<[email protected]> wrote:

> Very funny, Lew. You continue to be a real inspiration!
>
> You'd have to have lived through the entire court proceeding, the
> cop's reckless behavior and the FDOT's nervous response to
> understand.

Sounds like the fine is less than the cost of the $500/hr types to
fight the case.

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 3:18 AM


<[email protected]> wrote:

> FWIW, this is not a speed trap.
> I could live with that - speed and get a ticket. That is the law.
>
> This is gaming the system with hidden/illegally placed No U-Turn
> signs in an area which does not warrant ANY restriction on turns.

These days, local gov't have to be resourceful.

They can't get taxes increased to meet rising demands for local
services, thus they get creative.

Don't agree with the methods, but until normal tax channels supply the
operating revenue, they will continue.

Lew



LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 10:53 PM


"LDosser" wrote:

> He's all your'n ...

Sounds like this bunch of red necks are looking for some "Clean
Northern Car" types.

If they want some tips from the pros, they should Google "Lindale,
Ohio, I-71."

Lindale was knocking down $60K/yr back in 1960 from a couple of city
street lights before I-71 was even built.

When I-71 was built, they attempted to eliminate Lindale from
existence, but they failed.

As a result, the portion of I-71 that goes thru Lindale can't be
accessed from Lindale, you must go into Cleveland to get onto I-71.

I drove that stretch of I-71 thru Lindale for 30 years, luckily
without getting a ticket, but I also drove past a Lindale squad car
with a radar gun almost every time.

Can't imagine how much they collect today but it would not surprise me
if it was at least $200K/Yr.

IMHO, speed traps are a cost of doing business.

Lew


LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 12:51 PM


"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Alabama has started a program where they pick an area and concentrate
> state troopers from all over the state, and more or less enforce a zero
> tolerance concerning traffic laws.
>
Washington state does their drunk dragnet programs on a regular basis. Huge
numbers of officers who pull people over indiscriminatley, supposedly
looking for drunks. In my youth, the only time I ever drove drunk, I drove
though miles and miles of these cars pulled over by the state troopers.

I was young and dumb. I was drunk off my ass. I could barely keep the car on
the road. If I was smart, I would have pulled over and slept it off. But
the cops were so busy harrassing innocent citizens, they let a drunk driver
drive through their midth. I made it home and went to bed.

The next day, on the news, they bragged about how they caught some drunk
drivers. They did not mention the ones that got away because they pulled
over all kinds of folks who were doing nothing wrong.


u

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 6:27 AM

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:03:48 -0400, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>Then there's the bucket file ...

>Doh! I get it now. I'll look for the movie on Netflix.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0825232/

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

01/11/2009 11:53 AM

On Nov 1, 2:49=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Bub's 'humour' is more of the Beckian variety. Controversial
> statements for the sake of some sort of humour. AKA outrageous =3D
> funny. At the watercooler it becomes: "do YOU know what that IDIOT
> said???"
>
> Now that I know what he's up to, it is no longer funny, just a bit
> annoying.

This is what I mean by he has some potential. He has a sense of humor
and intelligence, he just doesn't know how to use them.

R

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

01/11/2009 11:49 AM

On Nov 1, 12:07=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 8:27 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > RicodJour wrote:
> > > On Oct 31, 9:46 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> RicodJour wrote:
> > >>> On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes=
,
> > >>>> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
> > >>>> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to
> > >>>> kill each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a
> > >>>> Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin'
> > >>>> thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>
> > >>> Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?
>
> > >> Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts
> > >> of south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?
>
> > >> In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in
> > >> Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Moscow.
>
> > > Exactly. =A0You don't travel for enlightenment. =A0You drag your
> > > preconceptions around with you. =A0A lot of people do, don't feel bad=
-
> > > you just miss out on most of the good stuff.
>
> > No, I've been enlightened.
>
> You're smart enough to realize that people that say they have been
> enlightened, aren't, the same way that people that say they are smart
> usually overestimate their intelligence. =A0You have potential - work
> with it.
>
> > For example, many are concerned about the
> > possible violence in Israel. True, the Jews and the Arabs don't agree o=
n
> > much, but the thing that's at the top of a very short list is this: Tou=
rists
> > are inviolate! Nobody bothers a visitor! (They bring money, several bil=
lion
> > a year.).
>
> I certainly hope this is not your primary example of enlightenment as
> it is simply wrong. =A0You don't have to kill the tourists to prevent
> them from coming with all that tourist money:http://abcnews.go.com/Travel=
/story?id=3D118695
> And there's still plenty of violence on/against tourists and
> foreigners in the Middle East, as witness the many State Department
> warnings, etc.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8103558.stm
> andhttp://www.usdivetravel.com/T-EgyptTerrorism.html
> Note the July '05 bombing in Sharm el Sheikh. =A0I was there last
> November and it is a beautiful beach resort with a truly international
> flavor with people from all over the globe. =A0The last place you would
> expect to have a bombing, but...
>
> But you already knew this. =A0There is violence wherever you go. =A0I was
> just pointing out one of your preconceived notions.
>
> > In riding a train from Manchester to London, I struck up a conversation=
with
> > two local businessmen. When informed I was a tourist, they looked at ea=
ch
> > other in astonishment, mouths agape. Finally, one asked: "Then what are=
you
> > doing in Manchester? There's nothing there to see but coal dust?" They =
were
> > quite relieved when told that's where I turned in my rental car after
> > driving for several hundred miles. I just couldn't take any more
> > round-abouts. Here's one:http://picdit.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/rnda=
bout.jpg
>
> Roundabouts, if designed correctly, can speed up traffic
> significantly.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Capacity_and_delays
> They do take some getting used to.
>
> > And it's easy to get with the program in a foreign land. In Rome, for
> > example, EVERY SINGLE WOMAN I saw was dressed to kill! They were the he=
ight
> > of fashion and every woman was, in one way or another, delectable and
> > desirable.
>
> I lived in Rome for a while, and you'll get no argument from me.
> Another country which was most visually pleasing was the Netherlands.
> Apparently they outlawed fat people, everybody is active, and you see
> 85 year old people bicycling to the market to do their shopping.
> Older women maintain a youthful demeanor and manage to pull it off,
> but they are not nearly as fashion conscious as the Italians. =A0I don't
> think anybody is.
>
> > In Israel I pulled up to the wrong pump and had the tank filled. Turns =
out
> > it was a military pump! I learned that every gas station in the country=
had
> > two underground tanks devoted to the military: one contains gasoline, o=
ne
> > contains diesel. Therefore, every gas station in the country is a milit=
ary
> > fuel depot!
>
> In a country that has been on the swords edge since it was founded,
> not so much of a surprise, is it?
>
> > More and more places are becoming Americanized. You can get a Big Mac i=
n
> > London. It still has a regional accent, though, being made with lamb an=
d
> > having sliced cucumbers instead of tomatoes.
>
> Erroneous information. =A0Perhaps they have a similar sandwich with
> lamb, but it is not a Big Mac. =A0McDonald's would obviously never allow
> such a thing in an English speaking country where beef is already a
> diet staple - it would be undermining their own brand name. =A0Other
> countries with religion and diet restrictions might be different.http://w=
ww.mcdonalds.co.uk/
>
> > In Turkey, street vendors don't sell apples - they sell figs as big as
> > apples! Quite tasty. And you have eggplant with every meal.
>
> There should be more figs and eggplant. =A0Figs may have been the first
> "domesticated" food. =A0Did you know that there are the remnants of a
> dead wasp in every fig? =A0Used to freak me out as a kid, but Fig
> Newtons are simply too good to give up simply because you're
> squeamish.
>
> > And I have been enlightened even here. After moseying around Harvard Sq=
uare,
> > my business contact asked me my impression.
>
> > "I'll readily admit, on many things, you have us beat: PhDs per square =
foot,
> > books in the library, endowments and you excell in many other endeavors=
. But
> > on the two things that are really important in life, we've got you beat=
."
>
> > "What's that?" he asked.
>
> > "Football teams and pretty women," I said.
>
> > "I'd believe that and I've never been to Texas, " he replied, shaking h=
is
> > head. "Did you notice their socks don't match?"
>
> > "Yup," I agreed. "Back home, they'd be a bounty on 'em."
>
> Harvard Square was the wrong place to go looking for pretty women.
> You should have gone to Cambridge if you were looking for smart women
> (which, somehow I don't see happening with you). =A0You should have
> tried Beacon Hill or out by Wellesley, and, continuing the theme,
> Newton if you were looking to sight a comely lass.
>
> As I said, you have potential, but you drag things along with you that
> get in the way. =A0Derogatory names couch your thinking and limit it.
> As I've said on many occasions, there are only two types of people, "a-
> holes" and "not a-holes". =A0Anybody can be either one at any time. =A0Th=
e
> trick is to be a "not a-hole" most of the time. =A0The world works
> better that way, and you'll see things more clearly.
>
> Continue your endeavour.
>
> R

Bub's 'humour' is more of the Beckian variety. Controversial
statements for the sake of some sort of humour. AKA outrageous =3D
funny. At the watercooler it becomes: "do YOU know what that IDIOT
said???"

Now that I know what he's up to, it is no longer funny, just a bit
annoying.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 3:33 AM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>There still are no signs at the 2 locations pointed to in the photo.
>
>If he gets down to the area again, he is going to try and get a number of
>photos for me to pass on to you.

I appreciate it, Joe, but I have pictures of that sign. And it still
fails to meet the requirements of the law.

Don't worry about it.


Greg G.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 8:21 AM

Greg G. wrote:
>
> THAT I can empathize with... I got Whitman.
> The state I live in now is seeing an influx of people fleeing Newark.
> 800 miles away and less crime... But they're bringing it with them -
> in the form of their relatives who get into trouble at home and flee
> to hide out with relatives. Oh, Joy!
>
> I considered New Mexico or Seattle or Portland at the time, but am
> looking towards the dark side of the moon at this point. ;-)
>
>

I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes, squints,
and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New Orleans. It was grim
for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill each other off with some
regularity while the survivors got a Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew
mean I can't be moseyin' thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:31 AM

LDosser said:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> And this makes it just? Or even legal? You'd have to know the area,
>> but thousands of elderly people are being frightened by these
>> aggressive cops, defrauding from them money they need for medical
>> bills, food and housing. I am but one of them.
>
>That's the most wretched admission I've seen all month!

OK, Lobby,
Do I get an award? A ClownHammer? A load of wormy Lignum vitae?
Hey, I'm not proud. Severe angina pectoris makes it unpleasant to even
visit the gar^h^h^h shop anymore. And who can afford to see a doctor?
Feh...

aJ

[email protected] (Jerry - OHIO)

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 5:26 PM

If you can't READ road signs and obey the law you shouldn't be driving
!!!!!!

Jerry


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Dddudley

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 8:11 AM

[email protected] wrote:
> Joe AutoDrill said:
>
>
>>> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)
>> Most? LOL...
>
> Well, I was attempting to be accommodating. ;-)
> I do have one friend here who is a SS lawyer and
> I dated a female attorney in New Jersey 8 years ago.
> It was truly a lost summer...

Well, if nothing else, that should have guaranteed that you got screwed<g>

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

01/11/2009 7:50 AM

On Nov 1, 8:27=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:

> and pretty women," I said.
>
I agree...but, but...then there is Montreal...Bahamas.....Oslo....
Sarnia....

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 10:35 AM

Good Warning.

Post a copy to [email protected]!

But, a little less verbose would be much better!

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:04 PM

HeyBub said:

>Do you see the yellow stripe down the center of the road? Do you know what
>it means?

In Florida it means nothing with regards to turns and U-Turns.
There are no restrictions anywhere in the Florida Statutes against
turning across a yellow line in FL. I have the entire FL State
Statutes sitting here on my desk.

If it is any consolation, there is much confusion state to state
regarding yellow lines and turns. The FL State Attorney General agrees
with me on this point, however.

>A yellow line means two-way traffic. A solid line (yellow or white) means do
>not cross (unless turning).

And what is a U-turn if not a turn. FL Statutes define it as such. The
yellow line denotes two way traffic, do not drive forward on the wrong
side of the line, and do not pass.

>You should have turned into the WalMart parking lot, turned around there,
>then exited back to the road.

Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. Exiting the WalMart/Wendys
is where the "violation" occured.

This was nothing but a bunch of rednecks gaming the law to provide
revenue they cannot obtain legally.

According to another, they have corrected the signage since I was
ticketed - a point that will be shown to the Federal District Court if
it proves to be true. An admission that they were in the wrong at the
time and have taken steps to correct it.

They probably corrected the signs because of the Federal DOT
requirements that in order to obtain Federal funding to redo that
section of CR-48 the signs had to meet the requirements of the MUTCD.
The FDOT office claimed to be soliciting federal funds for the work.

At least no one else will be burnt by this trap in the future and
something got done for a change. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 8:46 AM

> Just for the record, BTW, this is a photo of what existed in March:
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg
>
> No signs at any of the required locations. Show me a sign! ;-)
> I understand this is not your problem, but I wish you had a photo of
> the conditions as they now exist. I do not live in FL, so I can't run
> down there and take another photo.


Follow-up from my buddy in the area:

***

That photo shows the current conditions, but not wide enough to show the 2
"NO U TURN" signs that are on the right side of the road, maybe 100 feet
apart.
There still are no signs at the 2 locations pointed to in the photo.

***

If he gets down to the area again, he is going to try and get a number of
photos for me to pass on to you.

Regards,
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B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 11:00 PM

LDosser said:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Be forewarned that a trip down Florida's stretch of I-75 could cost
>> you plenty - upwards of $300 plus 3 points on your license.
>
>snip
>
>IOW, you got a Ticket.

An illegal ticket. An act of extortion under the color of law.
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, have a look.

Even Google Maps show the predators in wait...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SueyZHHV32I/AAAAAAAAAj8/EFj-v8K0aog/s1600-h/Stalking5.jpg

Has this entire country degenerated into a collection of spineless,
quivering marshmallows ready to surrender their rights, property and
the rule of law? Don't answer, Lobby, it was rhetorical.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:46 PM

Lee Michaels said:

>I was young and dumb. I was drunk off my ass. I could barely keep the car on
>the road. If I was smart, I would have pulled over and slept it off. But
>the cops were so busy harrassing innocent citizens, they let a drunk driver
>drive through their midth. I made it home and went to bed.
>
>The next day, on the news, they bragged about how they caught some drunk
>drivers. They did not mention the ones that got away because they pulled
>over all kinds of folks who were doing nothing wrong.

When I was much younger I had friends who drove at the edge of
consciousness - one passing out in the middle of an intersection and
plowing through signs and ditches, and another who regularly smashed
his windshield in by hitting mailboxes. This was one major motivator
that caused me to not drink at all until my mid-20s.

That is also one of the complaints I have against road block
enforcement. They rarely catch the truly serious hazards, just harass
those who have had a beer with dinner. But it makes for good PR, eh?

Glad you survived, didn't injure anyone, and are with us today.

These days, extended driving presents a hazard just as serious -
fatigued driving and a lack of rest stops on the interstates.
Micro-sleeps of 2-5 seconds occur without warning. And just how far do
you travel at 65 MPH in 5 seconds? Farther than you realize!

Greg

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 8:52 PM

On Oct 31, 9:46=A0pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes,
> >> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
> >> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill
> >> each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a Texas
> >> justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin' thru my
> >> 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>
> > Have you ever traveled? =A0I mean outside the US. =A0If so, where?
>
> Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts of
> south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?
>
> In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in Azerbaijan,
> Kazakhstan, and Moscow.

Exactly. You don't travel for enlightenment. You drag your
preconceptions around with you. A lot of people do, don't feel bad -
you just miss out on most of the good stuff.

R

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 3:20 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>> I worked in Blackwood, lived in Ewan amidst the peach farms.
>> They tell me it is all McMansions these days.
>> As for the female attorney, she lived in Harrison Township, AIR.
>
>Ah... Bummer. Would have made for an interesting story.

More than you know. Without a doubt, the most argumentative woman I
have ever known. She chose her profession well. ;-)
Something to do with an abusive ex-husband...

>> Thanks, and BTW, I do butcher wood. At least until the angina pectoris
>
>Hope the health issues are not moch of an issue for you in the future... In
>a good way of course!

Thanks, I keep hoping for improvement, but I may end up trading a
slightly used Unisaw and a 16" VS lathe for medical care. One of the
millions without health insurance, wouldn't ya know...

I've always preferred single payer, and abhor insurance companies, but
health care costs have increased 50 fold since I was a kid. And dental
care 10 fold in 20 years. How come our pay doesn't follow that curve?

Should have ignored teachers in school who pushed me towards
technology and become a slimy politician. Serve a week in Congress and
get free health care for life! Sheese...

Que será será.

Greg G.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 3:00 PM

> I worked in Blackwood, lived in Ewan amidst the peach farms.
> They tell me it is all McMansions these days.
> As for the female attorney, Tina and Cherry Hill.
> She lived in Harrison Township, AIR.

Ah... Bummer. Would have made for an interesting story.

> Thanks, and BTW, I do butcher wood. At least until the angina pectoris
> hit a while back. I haven't participated here much since that
> condition occurred, but I used to be a regular and still recognize
> many of the names, including yours.

Hope the health issues are not moch of an issue for you in the future... In
a good way of course!
--


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Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
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Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 6:57 AM

[email protected] said:

>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:03:48 -0400, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>Then there's the bucket file ...
>
>>Doh! I get it now. I'll look for the movie on Netflix.
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0825232/

Thanks, Upscale.
I appreciate Nicholson and Morgan Freeman and it's now on order.


Greg G.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 8:26 AM

LDosser said:

>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> LDosser said:
>>
>>>You read Carl Hiaasen? Highly recommended.
>>
>> Yes, indeed. I have several of his books on my bookshelf. He has a way
>> of capturing the darker underbelly of the insanity that is Florida.
>> I consider him Florida's latter day John Steinbeck - perhaps only
>> because I read Stormy Weather and Cannery Row in succession.
>
>
>My all time favorite character is the one eyed, former governor!

Ah, yes. Skink, the one-eyed, road-kill eating hermit environmentalist
and ex-governor of the state who lashes himself to posts during a Cat5
hurricane. See what Florida politics will do to you?


Greg G.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 8:46 PM

RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes,
>> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
>> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill
>> each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a Texas
>> justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin' thru my
>> 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>
> Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?
>

Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts of
south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?

In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in Azerbaijan,
Kazakhstan, and Moscow.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 3:37 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>.
>
> Insurance has become nothing but a pork barrel for every avaricious
> pettifogger and pink-handed money-changer to dip into.
>
There is a very, very fine line between a protection racket and an insurence
company.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 4:28 PM

HeyBub wrote:

> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes, squints,
> and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New Orleans. It was grim
> for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill each other off with some
> regularity while the survivors got a Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew
> mean I can't be moseyin' thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"

SWMBO took one of youngest daughter's HS \school chums home to her
apartment off Fondren in SW Houston shortly after Katrina and actually
got caught in a gun battle between Katrina rivals ... she still gets
chills when talking about it.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:12 PM

>>That was fast. :)
>
> Actually, I posted it before reading your follow up.
> I am nothing if not pedantic. ;-)

I figured that.... Posting before reading that is...

>>> No signs at any of the required locations. Show me a sign! ;-)
>>I'll see what I can get for you...
>
> Cool!

No promises but we shall see!

>>> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)
>>
>>Most? LOL...
>
> Well, I was attempting to be accommodating. ;-)
> I do have one friend here who is a SS lawyer and
> I dated a female attorney in New Jersey 8 years ago.
> It was truly a lost summer...

Okay... This is snowballing.

I know a lot of female attorneys in NJ since I live here and .... well...
know a lot of attorneys. Initials? Township/city they lived / worked in?
Would be really funny if it was my aunt-in-law. :)

> But generally, and any with political aspirations? Naaa...

There aren't many people with political aspirations that are worth anything
these days, but that's another subject.
--


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Greg G.

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 2:12 PM

30/10/2009 3:25 AM

Steve Turner said:

>Robatoy wrote:
>> You turn a wonderful phrase. It is nice to read a post of this
>> caliber. (The fact that your paragraphs sum up my exact views was a
>> bonus.)
>>
>> Had to be said.
>
>Just like a good board game, capitalism is a wonderful thing when everybody plays by the
>rules. But no matter who you are or how high up you've climbed, there is always a higher
>power you should be answering to.

I think Bob Dylan has a song about that... Gotta Serve Somebody?


Greg G.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:41 PM

> Just for the record, BTW, this is a photo of what existed in March:
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg

That was fast. :)

> No signs at any of the required locations. Show me a sign! ;-)
> I understand this is not your problem, but I wish you had a photo of
> the conditions as they now exist. I do not live in FL, so I can't run
> down there and take another photo.

I'll see what I can get for you...

> As per legal briefs filed in the Sumter County courts:
>
> "The legal issue in contention is whether the County of Sumter and
> State of Florida has sufficiently met the legal requirements of the
> DOT MUTCD and Florida Statutes by posting signs, signals, and/or
> warnings on CR-48 in a manner adequate to caution unfamiliar drivers
> of the desired prohibition of U-turns along this roadway.
>
> The Florida Department of Transportation is required to "adopt a
> uniform system of traffic control devices for use on the streets and
> highways of the state." (316.0745 Fla. Stat.) Pursuant to Florida
> Administrative Code Rule 14-15.010 and 14-46.001, the State of Florida
> has officially adopted the U.S. Department of Transportation Manual on
> Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) as its official rulebook
> regarding traffic control signs and signals used on all roadways
> within the state. The MUTCD clearly defines the requirements of design
> and legal placement for all types of road signs and signals in order
> to promote predictable driver expectations, safer roads, and driver
> compliance with the law. Florida Statute 316.006(2)(3) states that
> the appropriate authorities may place and maintain such traffic
> control devices which conform to the manual and specifications of the
> Department of Transportation upon all streets and highways under their
> original jurisdiction as they shall deem necessary to indicate and to
> carry out provisions of this chapter or to regulate, warm, or guide
> traffic. The following section further states, The provisions of this
> chapter shall be applicable and uniform throughout this state and in
> all political subdivisions and municipalities therein. ( 316.007 Fla.
> Stat.) The State, Counties or Municipalities cannot override these
> requirements because it is convenient or profitable for them to do so,
> or they stand in violation of existing Florida Statutes, and Federal
> and State DOT guidelines. Simply because a State, County or
> Municipality wishes to avoid painting No-Turn warnings on the
> roadway or placing proper signage in the MUTCD mandated locations,
> whether due to private property issues, cost or inconvenience, does
> not give license to do so while contemporaneously collecting
> exorbitant traffic fines from the unwary who stumble into this
> incongruity. It is insufficient for the State, County, or City to
> claim that 'We're going to redo that intersection, it will soon be
> fixed.' What is relevant to the instant case is the law and
> conditions in place at the time of the alleged violation.
>
> The MUTCD, Section 2B.19, as adopted by the State of Florida clearly
> defines the required locations for No U-Turn signs not located at an
> intersection as follows: at least one should be placed either over the
> roadway, at the far left corner of the intersection, or on a median.
> The State of Florida and Sumter County has absolutely failed to meet
> these requirements and is therefore prohibited from enforcing alleged
> violations of 316.074(1) Fla. Stat. by its own 316.074(3) Fla. Stat.
> which states No provision of this chapter for which official traffic
> control devices are required shall be enforced against an alleged
> violator if at the time and place of the alleged violation an official
> device is not in proper position and sufficiently legible to be seen
> by an ordinarily observant person."
>
>
> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)

Most? LOL...

Regards,
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(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
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Rc

Robatoy

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 9:55 AM

On Oct 27, 3:52=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> Be forewarned that a trip down Florida's stretch of I-75 could cost
> you plenty - upwards of $300 plus 3 points on your license. In
> violation of Federal MUTCD regulations, a filthy, corrupt little
> redneck county in Florida know as Sumter County has decided to target
> travelers on I-75 to fill their empty coffers by engineering an
> illegal traffic trap in front of Wendys/Wal-Mart on CR-48 in Sumter
> County, Florida. The city of Bushnell and their cracker-ass team of
> wreckless, dangerous, barely of age and untrained police, in spite of
> warnings from the Florida State Attorney General stating that they are
> prohibited from patrolling outside the city limits, have gamed this
> cash cow to bleed money from tourists and the unwary in order to pay
> for the County Development they lust after. After all, what's a gaggle
> of cracker thieves who are incapable of actually doing anything
> useful or attracting industry of any kind to their county to do but
> steal the funds they desire from unwary travelers to their state and
> it's imploding economy. Problem is, Sumter County sees all the tourist
> money going to the southern and coastal portions of the state and they
> want their share - deserved or not. And since tourists are unlikely to
> fight in court from 800 miles away, they make the perfect target for
> kangaroo traffic courts such as the one run by Thomas D. Skidmore who,
> among many other "judges" nationwide, apparently cannot read or
> properly interpret plain English State or Federal Laws as written or
> intended.
>
> In a poor rural county with less than 70,000 residents and no industry
> to speak of, we have Jeb-aligned goon squads of corrupt lawyers,
> police, judges and kangaroo courts who have decided they needed a
> huge, new, gleaming Courthouse and bigger salaries to go along with
> their federal prison. And they plan to pay for it by gaming the
> traffic laws of this nation under the color of law. This county's
> government and its seat, the city of Bushnell, is neck-deep in what is
> tantamount to extortion and racketeering.
>
> In a wretchedly uneducated, poverty stricken area known to most only
> as the location of the U.S.'s largest Federal Prison, the Coleman
> Federal Correctional Complex in Sumter County currently holds the
> laurels as being the number one prison in the country in female inmate
> rapes, alongside numerous federally prosecuted cases of corruption,
> FBI stings, drug dealing, officer bribery and corruption. Reportedly
> one of the many "new" privatized prisons being foisted on the American
> public, inmates at this facility busy themselves by brewing hooch,
> dealing and consuming drugs, rape, murder, bribery, and murder for
> hire - with copious amounts of help from the prison guards. All of
> this in the short 10 years this prison has been in full operation.
>
> My advise is to stay FAR away from Sumter county, CR-48, and
> considering the current economic meltdown which is occurring there,
> Florida generally. Sumter county is located 50 miles north of Orlando.
> The city of Bushnell, who patrols the engineered trap they have
> devised in conjunction with the local FDOT offices, is one block east
> of I-75, yet outside of the city's jurisdiction, but the local revenue
> collectors, err... courts still enforce the $300 tickets issued in
> spite of warnings from the state attorney general that what they are
> doing is illegal. And anyone brash enough to contest the charges is
> saddled with additional fines, court costs, mandated traffic schools,
> and points on their licenses - out of state or otherwise. In the end,
> considering insurance rate hikes, and their insistance in documenting
> this a "ran a red light" infraction, it could even cost you your job.
>
> Federal Class Action Law Suit Forthcoming.
>
> If you have been the recipient of a ticket for violation of Florida
> Statute 314.074 at the location of illegally placed No U-Turn signs
> located on CR-48 one block east of I-75 in front of Wal-Mart, please
> join our class action lawsuit against these inbred cretins and bring
> justice to a nationwide horde of victims. And in this lousy economy,
> getting your $300 back won't hurt anyone but these corrupt criminals.
> Let these highway bandits get a real job if they want more money.
>
> Contact: [email protected]
>
> Greg G.

Same area?
(You just can not make this stuff up)
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21458364/detail.html

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 10:16 AM

On Oct 31, 9:21=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes, squin=
ts,
> and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New Orleans. It was gr=
im
> for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill each other off with some
> regularity while the survivors got a Texas justice reality check: "Whatch=
ew
> mean I can't be moseyin' thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"

Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?

R

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to RicodJour on 31/10/2009 10:16 AM

01/11/2009 3:15 PM

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:53:37 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 1, 2:49 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Bub's 'humour' is more of the Beckian variety. Controversial
>> statements for the sake of some sort of humour. AKA outrageous =
>> funny. At the watercooler it becomes: "do YOU know what that IDIOT
>> said???"
>>
>> Now that I know what he's up to, it is no longer funny, just a bit
>> annoying.
>
>This is what I mean by he has some potential. He has a sense of humor
>and intelligence, he just doesn't know how to use them.
>
>R


to me he's just another lame ass googlectual.




Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

01/11/2009 9:07 AM

On Nov 1, 8:27 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 9:46 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >>> On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes,
> >>>> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
> >>>> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to
> >>>> kill each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a
> >>>> Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin'
> >>>> thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>
> >>> Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?
>
> >> Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts
> >> of south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?
>
> >> In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in
> >> Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Moscow.
>
> > Exactly. You don't travel for enlightenment. You drag your
> > preconceptions around with you. A lot of people do, don't feel bad -
> > you just miss out on most of the good stuff.
>
> No, I've been enlightened.

You're smart enough to realize that people that say they have been
enlightened, aren't, the same way that people that say they are smart
usually overestimate their intelligence. You have potential - work
with it.

> For example, many are concerned about the
> possible violence in Israel. True, the Jews and the Arabs don't agree on
> much, but the thing that's at the top of a very short list is this: Tourists
> are inviolate! Nobody bothers a visitor! (They bring money, several billion
> a year.).

I certainly hope this is not your primary example of enlightenment as
it is simply wrong. You don't have to kill the tourists to prevent
them from coming with all that tourist money:
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=118695
And there's still plenty of violence on/against tourists and
foreigners in the Middle East, as witness the many State Department
warnings, etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8103558.stm
and
http://www.usdivetravel.com/T-EgyptTerrorism.html
Note the July '05 bombing in Sharm el Sheikh. I was there last
November and it is a beautiful beach resort with a truly international
flavor with people from all over the globe. The last place you would
expect to have a bombing, but...

But you already knew this. There is violence wherever you go. I was
just pointing out one of your preconceived notions.

> In riding a train from Manchester to London, I struck up a conversation with
> two local businessmen. When informed I was a tourist, they looked at each
> other in astonishment, mouths agape. Finally, one asked: "Then what are you
> doing in Manchester? There's nothing there to see but coal dust?" They were
> quite relieved when told that's where I turned in my rental car after
> driving for several hundred miles. I just couldn't take any more
> round-abouts. Here's one:http://picdit.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/rndabout.jpg

Roundabouts, if designed correctly, can speed up traffic
significantly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Capacity_and_delays
They do take some getting used to.

> And it's easy to get with the program in a foreign land. In Rome, for
> example, EVERY SINGLE WOMAN I saw was dressed to kill! They were the height
> of fashion and every woman was, in one way or another, delectable and
> desirable.

I lived in Rome for a while, and you'll get no argument from me.
Another country which was most visually pleasing was the Netherlands.
Apparently they outlawed fat people, everybody is active, and you see
85 year old people bicycling to the market to do their shopping.
Older women maintain a youthful demeanor and manage to pull it off,
but they are not nearly as fashion conscious as the Italians. I don't
think anybody is.

> In Israel I pulled up to the wrong pump and had the tank filled. Turns out
> it was a military pump! I learned that every gas station in the country had
> two underground tanks devoted to the military: one contains gasoline, one
> contains diesel. Therefore, every gas station in the country is a military
> fuel depot!

In a country that has been on the swords edge since it was founded,
not so much of a surprise, is it?

> More and more places are becoming Americanized. You can get a Big Mac in
> London. It still has a regional accent, though, being made with lamb and
> having sliced cucumbers instead of tomatoes.

Erroneous information. Perhaps they have a similar sandwich with
lamb, but it is not a Big Mac. McDonald's would obviously never allow
such a thing in an English speaking country where beef is already a
diet staple - it would be undermining their own brand name. Other
countries with religion and diet restrictions might be different.
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/

> In Turkey, street vendors don't sell apples - they sell figs as big as
> apples! Quite tasty. And you have eggplant with every meal.

There should be more figs and eggplant. Figs may have been the first
"domesticated" food. Did you know that there are the remnants of a
dead wasp in every fig? Used to freak me out as a kid, but Fig
Newtons are simply too good to give up simply because you're
squeamish.

> And I have been enlightened even here. After moseying around Harvard Square,
> my business contact asked me my impression.
>
> "I'll readily admit, on many things, you have us beat: PhDs per square foot,
> books in the library, endowments and you excell in many other endeavors. But
> on the two things that are really important in life, we've got you beat."
>
> "What's that?" he asked.
>
> "Football teams and pretty women," I said.
>
> "I'd believe that and I've never been to Texas, " he replied, shaking his
> head. "Did you notice their socks don't match?"
>
> "Yup," I agreed. "Back home, they'd be a bounty on 'em."

Harvard Square was the wrong place to go looking for pretty women.
You should have gone to Cambridge if you were looking for smart women
(which, somehow I don't see happening with you). You should have
tried Beacon Hill or out by Wellesley, and, continuing the theme,
Newton if you were looking to sight a comely lass.

As I said, you have potential, but you drag things along with you that
get in the way. Derogatory names couch your thinking and limit it.
As I've said on many occasions, there are only two types of people, "a-
holes" and "not a-holes". Anybody can be either one at any time. The
trick is to be a "not a-hole" most of the time. The world works
better that way, and you'll see things more clearly.

Continue your endeavour.

R

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 12:41 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>From a friend:
>
>There is an exit from Walmart onto CR48, right turn only, with permanent
>yellow posts in the pavement preventing the eastbound traffic from turning
>onto the westbound lane. At the end of the yellow posts are 2 large and very
>visible "NO U Turn" signs. It is a 2 lane un-divided road with a centre turn
>lane.

Well, Joe. Those signs, if in fact there are signs, were NOT
installed when I and many others were ticketed. I wish I had a photo
for comparison.

They were probably installed after a 7 month court battle and my
complaints to the FDOT. As shown in the photo posted earlier, signs
were NOT installed at that time.

>If anyone does a U-turn at the end of the yellow posts, they deserve a
>ticket, IMO

If in fact the signs are where you claim, then they meet the
requirements of the MUTCD and are legal. And visible.

>About 800 feet further east is another exit from Walmart, with traffic
>lights and no turn restrictions.

And a stranger to the area exiting the Wendys is to know this how?
A better question is why they are needed at all. I've never seen more
than 3 cars on that road, even on a Monday afternoon.

Thanks for the update, however. Pretty much an admission that they
were in violation back in March.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:42 AM

Lew Hodgett said:

>> Very funny, Lew. You continue to be a real inspiration!
>>
>> You'd have to have lived through the entire court proceeding, the
>> cop's reckless behavior and the FDOT's nervous response to
>> understand.
>
>Sounds like the fine is less than the cost of the $500/hr types to
>fight the case.

And this makes it just? Or even legal? You'd have to know the area,
but thousands of elderly people are being frightened by these
aggressive cops, defrauding from them money they need for medical
bills, food and housing. I am but one of them.

If a gunman stood on a street corner and demanded money or 30 hours
of labor from each passing motorist in lieu of the ability to drive,
would you willingly submit? And remember, as much as you'd like to,
you can't shoot back. This is different how?

You only possess the rights you can defend.

The reality is that you have very few enforceable rights
here in this wonderful land of the free; and nearly none
against a corrupt governmental entity and its crony friends.

To obtain justice requires deep pockets and, unfortunately, a
competent pettifogger who isn't trying to make points within the
local political structure. Good luck with that one...

They know this, of course, and so here we are.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 4:28 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> Bingo, KC! That and the legions of politicians who are on big pharma
> and HMO/insurance company payrolls.

Almost all, to the man, lawyers ...

> Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.

Don't get me started:

"It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
of our government."

I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.

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B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:36 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>There is an exit from Walmart onto CR48, right turn only, with permanent
>yellow posts in the pavement preventing the eastbound traffic from turning
>onto the westbound lane. At the end of the yellow posts are 2 large and very
>visible "NO U Turn" signs. It is a 2 lane un-divided road with a centre turn
>lane.

Just for the record, BTW, this is a photo of what existed in March:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg

No signs at any of the required locations. Show me a sign! ;-)
I understand this is not your problem, but I wish you had a photo of
the conditions as they now exist. I do not live in FL, so I can't run
down there and take another photo.

As per legal briefs filed in the Sumter County courts:

"The legal issue in contention is whether the County of Sumter and
State of Florida has sufficiently met the legal requirements of the
DOT MUTCD and Florida Statutes by posting signs, signals, and/or
warnings on CR-48 in a manner adequate to caution unfamiliar drivers
of the desired prohibition of U-turns along this roadway.

The Florida Department of Transportation is required to "adopt a
uniform system of traffic control devices for use on the streets and
highways of the state." (316.0745 Fla. Stat.) Pursuant to Florida
Administrative Code Rule 14-15.010 and 14-46.001, the State of Florida
has officially adopted the U.S. Department of Transportation Manual on
Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) as its official rulebook
regarding traffic control signs and signals used on all roadways
within the state. The MUTCD clearly defines the requirements of design
and legal placement for all types of road signs and signals in order
to promote predictable driver expectations, safer roads, and driver
compliance with the law. Florida Statute 316.006(2)(3) states that
the appropriate authorities may place and maintain such traffic
control devices which conform to the manual and specifications of the
Department of Transportation upon all streets and highways under their
original jurisdiction as they shall deem necessary to indicate and to
carry out provisions of this chapter or to regulate, warm, or guide
traffic. The following section further states, The provisions of this
chapter shall be applicable and uniform throughout this state and in
all political subdivisions and municipalities therein. ( 316.007 Fla.
Stat.) The State, Counties or Municipalities cannot override these
requirements because it is convenient or profitable for them to do so,
or they stand in violation of existing Florida Statutes, and Federal
and State DOT guidelines. Simply because a State, County or
Municipality wishes to avoid painting No-Turn warnings on the
roadway or placing proper signage in the MUTCD mandated locations,
whether due to private property issues, cost or inconvenience, does
not give license to do so while contemporaneously collecting
exorbitant traffic fines from the unwary who stumble into this
incongruity. It is insufficient for the State, County, or City to
claim that 'We're going to redo that intersection, it will soon be
fixed.' What is relevant to the instant case is the law and
conditions in place at the time of the alleged violation.

The MUTCD, Section 2B.19, as adopted by the State of Florida clearly
defines the required locations for No U-Turn signs not located at an
intersection as follows: at least one should be placed either over the
roadway, at the far left corner of the intersection, or on a median.
The State of Florida and Sumter County has absolutely failed to meet
these requirements and is therefore prohibited from enforcing alleged
violations of 316.074(1) Fla. Stat. by its own 316.074(3) Fla. Stat.
which states No provision of this chapter for which official traffic
control devices are required shall be enforced against an alleged
violator if at the time and place of the alleged violation an official
device is not in proper position and sufficiently legible to be seen
by an ordinarily observant person."


BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)

B

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 1:36 PM

29/10/2009 3:26 AM

Mike M said:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:28:48 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>>"It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
>>component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
>>distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
>>in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
>>society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
>>precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
>>of our government."
>>
>>I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
>>more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.
>
>How true. The original constitution was based on that. Morals
>change, but now they allow lawyers to nitpik over every detail end end
>up with results which were never intended. And the courts reinterpet
>the law as well. Changes have to occur, but they way they occur now
>seems to be based on things I just don't understand anymore.

As throughout the eons, just follow the gold and it will all become
crystal clear. :-\

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 1:36 PM

30/10/2009 3:28 AM

charlie said:

>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> There is a very, very fine line between a protection racket and an
>> insurence company.
>
>hopefully the insurance company won't send out an arsonist if you don't sign
>up for fire insurance, although i once knew a really persistent state farm
>agent....

So did I. Now you are making me very nervous...


Greg G.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 5:55 PM

Jerry - OHIO said:

>If you can't READ road signs and obey the law you shouldn't be driving
>!!!!!!

If you can't READ and comprehend a post you shouldn't be commenting.

Show me the No U-turn sign in this picture:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg

Or from the other direction, here:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SueyZHHV32I/AAAAAAAAAj8/EFj-v8K0aog/s1600-h/Stalking5.jpg

I'm not the one violating the law, this municipality is.

I'd say that 33 years of driving without causing an accident and 23
years with one minor speeding violation is a pretty good record, eh?

Idiot.

aJ

[email protected] (Jerry - OHIO)

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 5:55 PM

29/10/2009 11:53 PM

Joe saw " Two Big "NO U TURN signs !!!

Jerry and I did too !!!


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GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 5:55 PM

30/10/2009 2:12 AM


Jerry - OHIO said:

>Joe saw " Two Big "NO U TURN signs !!!

Actually, Joe saw nothing. He lives in NJ. His friend did.
There's that reading comprehension thing again.

BIG? No, they are the same size as all R3-4 signs, no bigger, no
smaller. Again, this is defined by the MUTCD - the LAW of the land
concerning road signage.

On a second trip straight down CR-48 with a camera, as opposed
to exiting the parking lot, I saw the sign as well. But unless
specifically made aware of them they look much like the ubiquitous
No Parking signs which litter the roadsides of FL roadways and are
commonly placed in these exact positions and look quite similar.

However, when turning from the Wendys/WalMart, they are not
visible as they are outside the peripheral vision of a driver
negotiating the turn and are located far from the roadbed. And in my
case were blocked by the pillars of the vehicle. Additionally, who
looks over their right shoulder towards the treeline when making a
right turn or a U-Turn? Most watch for pedestrians, other vehicles and
the roadway itself.

You seem to - again - be missing the point, however. The signs do no
meet legal requirements and are thus illegal. Do you understand the
word illegal? Even the FDOT agent I talked to admitted the signs were
not properly placed and were going to be redone. Presumably after they
had bled enough funds from unwary travelers to do so. It is a trap
being used to generate revenue for a locality that is imploding
because its only financial draw is a corrupt federal prison and
massive ignorance and poverty.

The DOT expends much effort into writing logical laws and guidelines
that present predictable patterns for drivers to follow so that the
safety and well being of the population is protected. They don't just
make this shit up, and municipalities are required, by law, to conform
to the rules and regulations as written. If every city in the nation
made up their own traffic laws, there would be chaos. And predictably,
you would be standing in line with millions of others bitching about
the fines, tickets and unpredictability of the whole mess.

I have driven in 40 states in this country and have never seen this
ruse attempted before. Every other municipality seems to be able to
comply with the laws as written. But not this one.

The MUTCD, Section 2B.19, as adopted by the State of Florida clearly
defines the required locations for No U-Turn signs not located at an
intersection as follows: at least one should be placed either over the
roadway, at the far left corner of the intersection, or on a median.

The State of Florida and Sumter County has absolutely failed to meet
these requirements and is therefore prohibited from enforcing alleged
violations of 316.074(1) Fla. Stat. by its own 316.074(3) Fla. Stat.
which states "No provision of this chapter for which official traffic
control devices are required shall be enforced against an alleged
violator if at the time and place of the alleged violation an official
device is not in proper position..."

This was pointed out 7 months ago, yet they have still failed to place
a single sign in the proper location. And why would they - they are
profiting handsomely from this incongruity.

First of all, why you would feel the need to defend an obvious traffic
trap that coerces hundreds of thousands of dollars, $300 at a time,
from the poor, elderly and unaware tourist is a mystery. Do you have
relatives who work for this corrupt little pussbag town?

Second, why the use of multiple exclamation points. It doesn't make
your point any clearer or more valid, and is adolescent at best.

>Jerry and I did too !!!

Well it must have been quite a drive from Ohio to observe these
illegally placed signs. You must really have an unhealthy desire to
argue an invalid point. And you are the only Jerry I've seen around
here responding to this thread.

I'm not going to argue this point with you any further. You are
obviously not a lawyer, a DOT official, nor a judge.

I will present one further argument, however. In picture form.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Sup73VC5d9I/AAAAAAAAAkU/WAkwpp6zx9g/s1600-h/Stalking11.jpg

In this satellite picture you can see that turns are not prohibited
anywhere else along this roadway (blue shaded area). Only in the ONE
location (red shaded area) that would generate the most revenue from
people traveling to this location from surrounding towns via I-75 and
trying to return home. The WalMart is the only attraction that would
bring visitors into this area. Additionally, there is woefully
insufficient traffic anywhere along this route to justify ANY
restriction on turns. Left turns, Right Turns or U-Turns.

I live in a metropolitan city of 7 million people and I've never seen
a prohibition on U-Turns anywhere except locations which present a
safety hazard to drivers. The only hazard present at this location are
the enforcement officers who stalk, burn rubber and scare the living
shit out of drivers with their aggressive, reckless pullover
techniques. This 24 year old guy was 2 feet from my bumper, siren
wailing, and a cloud of smoke trailed his vehicle.

Apparently the State Attorney General told them something about "hot
pursuit" as he warned them they had no jurisdiction over this area
which is not even in their municipal limits.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Sup73FD_OKI/AAAAAAAAAkM/bBplTQNAzqw/s1600-h/Stalking10.jpg


Now read this:
http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/18D41B1EA87E07918525657700570A07

Irrefutable evidence of a longstanding desire by this town to general
additional revenue from traffic stops.

This was an illegal stop for an invalid violation totally outside of
their jurisdiction. Now do you understand? If not, either you are a
troll who loves to argue nonsensical points or are an authoritarian
sheep who believes the government can do no wrong. Either way a
frighteningly callow entity.

Jerry, I'm not trying to an ass here, only point out that this city is
gaming the system under the color of law for revenue. This is a
nationwide epidemic that is becoming worse as the economy implodes.
Exorbitant fines combined with 3 points on your record is not
something I take lightly.

Ciao,


Greg G.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:00 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>> Just for the record, BTW, this is a photo of what existed in March:
>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg
>
>That was fast. :)

Actually, I posted it before reading your follow up.
I am nothing if not pedantic. ;-)

>> No signs at any of the required locations. Show me a sign! ;-)
>I'll see what I can get for you...

Cool!

>> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)
>
>Most? LOL...

Well, I was attempting to be accommodating. ;-)
I do have one friend here who is a SS lawyer and
I dated a female attorney in New Jersey 8 years ago.
It was truly a lost summer...
But generally, and any with political aspirations? Naaa...

Greg

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 2:00 PM

29/10/2009 7:56 AM

[email protected] wrote:
\
> Thanks, Robatoy. And Swingman, et al.
> IMHO, I've turned a few wonderful bowls, but never a phrase.
> Yet that's why I love this place - even after a 2 year hiatus.
> Mostly level headed, industrious, inventive, self-starters who possess
> a modicum of common sense. A credible goal for you to aspire to. ;-)
>
>
> Greg G.

Greg, old buddy! Good to see you back!

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G

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 2:00 PM

29/10/2009 7:23 AM

Robatoy said:

>On Oct 29, 3:22 am, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> I agree. A generation of overly indulged, short-sighted inheritors of
>> heritage fortune never developed the ability to feel compassion for
>> others or behave in a moral fashion while conducting their affairs.
>> It's all about winning - even if only legal in the vaguest sense.
>> Morality isn't even a blank cell in their spreadsheets - short of the
>> occasional feigned retail public displays.
>>
>> I spent a few years at Emory Law School a couple decades ago yet
>> bypassed their formal curriculum; thus sidestepping the usual
>> indoctrination into the cloistered fold of "Brothers and Sisters of
>> the Bar."  While reading various syllabi written by an assortment of
>> state judges spanning the period from about 1940 to present day I was
>> struck by the temporal degradation in critical/analytical thinking
>> exhibited. There is less justice and more campaign contributions and
>> hand washing apparent in these supposed modern times. Apparently this
>> is inevitable in all fields which are self-regulated - similar to Wall
>> Street; to reflect upon a more timely group who professes to be above
>> scrutiny.  Seldom are lawyers or judges (or bankers/brokers) ever held
>> accountable for egregious acts in violation of their oaths to conform
>> to ethical boundaries. It should not be dismissed simply as human
>> nature, but is from all appearances a particularly devious
>> narcissistic mental illness which causes those afflicted to be drawn
>> towards positions of control, power and wealth. Brash venality is
>> considered a perk of certain professions - which in this case are best
>> defined as the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches of
>> government.
>>
>> The hue and cry becomes deafening if you dare mention the J.A.I.L.
>> initiative, or even suggest that some avenue for the public to address
>> violations of Canon ethics and perfidy should exist. Oversight, you
>> see, is only for the unwashed masses, not the aristocracy. As a nation
>> we have become the fetid beast we initially sought to escape.
>>
>> Oy Vey!  I'm beginning to fully understand my attraction to beating on
>> objects with a large clownhammer.  ;-)
>
>
>You turn a wonderful phrase. It is nice to read a post of this
>caliber. (The fact that your paragraphs sum up my exact views was a
>bonus.)
>
>Had to be said.

Thanks, Robatoy. And Swingman, et al.
IMHO, I've turned a few wonderful bowls, but never a phrase.
Yet that's why I love this place - even after a 2 year hiatus.
Mostly level headed, industrious, inventive, self-starters who possess
a modicum of common sense. A credible goal for you to aspire to. ;-)


Greg G.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 3:31 AM

Dddudley said:

>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>> Joe AutoDrill said:
>>
>>> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)
>>
>> Most? LOL...
>>
>> Well, I was attempting to be accommodating. ;-)
>> I do have one friend here who is a SS lawyer and
>> I dated a female attorney in New Jersey 8 years ago.
>> It was truly a lost summer...
>
>Well, if nothing else, that should have guaranteed that you got screwed<g>

I can truly say that it was the first and only time I got to screw a
lawyer without taking out my wallet!



Greg G.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 11:44 AM

[email protected] wrote:
> LDosser said:
>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Be forewarned that a trip down Florida's stretch of I-75 could cost
>>> you plenty - upwards of $300 plus 3 points on your license.
>>
>> snip
>>
>> IOW, you got a Ticket.
>
> An illegal ticket. An act of extortion under the color of law.
> Since a picture is worth a thousand words, have a look.
>
> Even Google Maps show the predators in wait...
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SueyZHHV32I/AAAAAAAAAj8/EFj-v8K0aog/s1600-h/Stalking5.jpg
>
> Has this entire country degenerated into a collection of spineless,
> quivering marshmallows ready to surrender their rights, property and
> the rule of law? Don't answer, Lobby, it was rhetorical.

Do you see the yellow stripe down the center of the road? Do you know what
it means?

A yellow line means two-way traffic. A solid line (yellow or white) means do
not cross (unless turning).

You should have turned into the WalMart parking lot, turned around there,
then exited back to the road.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 2:14 AM

LDosser said:

>> ... But there is still time to turn a few personalized ash
>> baseball bats... ;-)
>
>Then there's the bucket file ...

I don't know that one...

Is that a file you use to make/shape buckets,
or a bucket you store rasps and files in,
or...?


Greg G.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 6:01 AM

LDosser said:

>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'll never set foot in the state again -
>> and I have a few unfortunate relatives who live there (on the coasts).
>>
>> And a parrot? WTF?
>>
>
>You read Carl Hiaasen? Highly recommended.

Yes, indeed. I have several of his books on my bookshelf. He has a way
of capturing the darker underbelly of the insanity that is Florida.
I consider him Florida's latter day John Steinbeck - perhaps only
because I read Stormy Weather and Cannery Row in succession.


Greg G.

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 1:36 PM

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Be forewarned that a trip down Florida's stretch of I-75 could cost
> you plenty - upwards of $300 plus 3 points on your license. In
> violation of Federal MUTCD regulations, a filthy, corrupt little
> redneck county in Florida know as Sumter County has decided to target
> travelers on I-75 to fill their empty coffers by engineering an
> illegal traffic trap in front of Wendys/Wal-Mart on CR-48 in Sumter
> County, Florida.

snip

IOW, you got a Ticket.

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 10:10 PM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Very funny, Lew. You continue to be a real inspiration!
>>
>> You'd have to have lived through the entire court proceeding, the
>> cop's reckless behavior and the FDOT's nervous response to understand.
>
> Sounds like the fine is less than the cost of the $500/hr types to fight
> the case.
>
> Lew
>
>
>

He's all your'n ...

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 11:15 PM

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lew Hodgett said:
>
>>> Very funny, Lew. You continue to be a real inspiration!
>>>
>>> You'd have to have lived through the entire court proceeding, the
>>> cop's reckless behavior and the FDOT's nervous response to
>>> understand.
>>
>>Sounds like the fine is less than the cost of the $500/hr types to
>>fight the case.
>
> And this makes it just? Or even legal? You'd have to know the area,
> but thousands of elderly people are being frightened by these
> aggressive cops, defrauding from them money they need for medical
> bills, food and housing. I am but one of them.

That's the most wretched admission I've seen all month!

bb

"basilisk"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 10:50 AM



<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lew Hodgett said:
>
>>"LDosser" wrote:
>>
>>> He's all your'n ...
>
> Gee, Thanks.
>
>>Sounds like this bunch of red necks are looking for some "Clean
>>Northern Car" types.
>
> That would be me. Shiny Crown Vic - out of state.
> Apparently during Spring Break.
>
>>If they want some tips from the pros, they should Google "Lindale,
>>Ohio, I-71."
>
> Or Smyrna, GA. Or Evans, NJ. Or...
>
>>Can't imagine how much they collect today but it would not surprise me
>>if it was at least $200K/Yr.
>
> According to the records retrieved so far, try $1,368,000/annum.
>
>>IMHO, speed traps are a cost of doing business.
>
> FWIW, this is not a speed trap.
> I could live with that - speed and get a ticket. That is the law.
>
> This is gaming the system with hidden/illegally placed No U-Turn
> signs in an area which does not warrant ANY restriction on turns.
> Combined with a hastily installed barricade which forces drivers
> to perform the allegedly prohibited U-Turn and a cop who sits
> all day in one spot watching for this exact "infraction."
> Next to the Interstate, outside their jurisdiction; so that they may
> target strangers who stumble into this incongruity.
> They've been attempting to do this for 25 years:
>
> http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/18D41B1EA87E07918525657700570A07
>
> I regret beating a dead horse farther in this group, but cripes,
> people - no wonder we are in the mess we are...
>

Alabama has started a program where they pick an area and concentrate
state troopers from all over the state, and more or less enforce a zero
tolerance concerning traffic laws.

I live close to Tuscaloosa and it was recently one of their high
concentration
areas, I managed not to get any tickets but SWMBO got two.

Interestingly enough, court dates are set a month out and and the officer
that wrote the ticket will be back at home and not available for court
appearance, which with no state witness gets the ticket thrown out.

basilisk

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 7:52 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>Good Warning.
>
>Post a copy to [email protected]!
>
>But, a little less verbose would be much better!
>

Yes, a simple "Caution: Bushnell, FL is a speed trap." would have sufficed.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

cc

"charlie"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 3:43 PM


"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>.
>>
>> Insurance has become nothing but a pork barrel for every avaricious
>> pettifogger and pink-handed money-changer to dip into.
>>
> There is a very, very fine line between a protection racket and an
> insurence company.
hopefully the insurance company won't send out an arsonist if you don't sign
up for fire insurance, although i once knew a really persistent state farm
agent....

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 2:41 AM

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jerry - OHIO said:
>
>>If you can't READ road signs and obey the law you shouldn't be driving
>>!!!!!!
>
> If you can't READ and comprehend a post you shouldn't be commenting.
>
> Show me the No U-turn sign in this picture:
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Suh89W2t9mI/AAAAAAAAAkE/hZjTs196E64/s1600-h/Stalking9.jpg
>
> Or from the other direction, here:
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SueyZHHV32I/AAAAAAAAAj8/EFj-v8K0aog/s1600-h/Stalking5.jpg
>
> I'm not the one violating the law, this municipality is.
>
> I'd say that 33 years of driving without causing an accident and 23
> years with one minor speeding violation is a pretty good record, eh?
>
> Idiot.
>


I can do better than your record. I'm 66 and haven't murdered anyone!

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 1:46 PM

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> LDosser said:
>
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd say that 33 years of driving without causing an accident and 23
>>> years with one minor speeding violation is a pretty good record, eh?
>>>
>>
>>I can do better than your record. I'm 66 and haven't murdered anyone!
>
> Well, it's not looking good that I'll make it to 66,

That's what I thought. Hang in there!

> but I've resisted
> the overwhelming temptation to break the legs of a number of really
> scummy, lying, perfidious, manipulative, drug-deal-financing lawyer
> types who richly deserve it. After 20 years, Karma eventually took
> care of most. But there is still time to turn a few personalized ash
> baseball bats... ;-)

Then there's the bucket file ...

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 2:42 AM

"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> LDosser said:
>
>>> ... But there is still time to turn a few personalized ash
>>> baseball bats... ;-)
>>
>>Then there's the bucket file ...
>
> I don't know that one...
>
> Is that a file you use to make/shape buckets,
> or a bucket you store rasps and files in,
> or...?
>
>
> Greg G.


The file of stuff you want to do if you get the news you'll kick the bucket
in a year or so. Was a movie by that name. Haven't seen it, but I appreciate
the sentiment ...

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 2:44 AM

"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy said:
>
>>Same area?
>>(You just can not make this stuff up)
>>http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21458364/detail.html
>
> Close. When I lived there, rural central Florida's primary professions
> (unless one owned an orange grove) seemed to be alcoholism and
> stripping. And apparently many embrace racism, ignorance, high speed
> pursuits, wife beating and burning trailer parks. On the coast, many
> embrace insurance fraud, massive unsustainable over development, and
> venal politicians. And after the Jeb years, massive unemployment and
> total implosion of the ballooned housing market.
>
> The day I moved to Tampa from Jacksonville Beach/Ponte Vedra I was
> subjected to non-stop coverage of Hank Carr:
> http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/52098/A_child__3_officers_a.html
>
> And this guy:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_the_Love_Sponge
>
> And this:
> http://www.foxbghsuit.com/
>
> The population was warned not to go outside as helicopters regularly
> flew overhead spraying Malathion over the city of Tampa and
> surrounding orange groves to control fruit flies.
>
> And of course, the 2000 election where people were forced from polling
> locations and prohibited from voting due to manufactured felon voter
> hit lists. I left Florida and moved to NJ in a hurry after witnessing
> that (and a few other things I won't get into here). Thank you,
> Katherine Harris and all the other ignorant, thieving NeoCons of S.FL.
> And Up Yours, Jeb Bush.
>
> I hear people refer to California as the land of fruits and nuts? Ha!
> I moved for the ocean and diving and boats. This is what I got!
>
> After this last trip, and some very suspicious occurrences in Key West
> and Naples concerning the Mayor of Key West and his relatives, and a
> huge fire on Duval street, I'll never set foot in the state again -
> and I have a few unfortunate relatives who live there (on the coasts).
>
> And a parrot? WTF?
>
>
>
> Greg G.


You read Carl Hiaasen? Highly recommended.

LL

"LDosser"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 3:59 AM

"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> LDosser said:
>
>>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'll never set foot in the state again -
>>> and I have a few unfortunate relatives who live there (on the coasts).
>>>
>>> And a parrot? WTF?
>>>
>>
>>You read Carl Hiaasen? Highly recommended.
>
> Yes, indeed. I have several of his books on my bookshelf. He has a way
> of capturing the darker underbelly of the insanity that is Florida.
> I consider him Florida's latter day John Steinbeck - perhaps only
> because I read Stormy Weather and Cannery Row in succession.
>
>
> Greg G.


My all time favorite character is the one eyed, former governor!

bb

basilisk

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 9:03 PM

HeyBub wrote:

> RicodJour wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots,
>>> mopes, squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of
>>> New Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed
>>> to kill each other off with some regularity while the survivors
>>> got a Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be
>>> moseyin' thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>>
>> Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?
>>
>
> Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts
> of south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?
>
> In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in
> Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Moscow.

South Mississippi? God be with you.

basilisk
--
http://www.welshpembrokecorgis.com

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:13 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>I'm not your adversary BTW, I was simply posting info that was forwarded to
>me after I provided your info to a global motorcycle touring group I'm a
>part of. One of those guys is the author of my comments.

Didn't mean to imply that you were. I do find it interesting how many
people defend their methods, however. The reckless and aggressive
behaviour of the cop was pretty intense, however, and one of the
reasons I took issue with their trap. Well, that and the points and $.

The population of this country has truly become an authoritarian lot.
And we're all being slowly dragged over the precipice with them.

>> They were probably installed after a 7 month court battle and my
>> complaints to the FDOT. As shown in the photo posted earlier, signs
>> were NOT installed at that time.
>
>Could be... If that is the case, and you still feel wronged, go back and
>make your case that it was their lack of proper signage that caused the
>problem.

Been there, done that. That is why the federal suit. Not being a FL
resident anymore, it's the next step for an out of state complainant.

>> A better question is why they are needed at all. I've never seen more
>> than 3 cars on that road, even on a Monday afternoon.
>
>(Sarcasm on) Our job is not to question big brother but to be assimilated
>without any struggling. Freedom to think logically, to critically test
>everything to see if it is legitimate and to be able to speak about what we
>find disappeared decades ago. (Sarcasm off)

Understood. "The red zone is for loading and unloading only."

Greg

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 2:48 AM

Robatoy said:

>Same area?
>(You just can not make this stuff up)
>http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21458364/detail.html

Close. When I lived there, rural central Florida's primary professions
(unless one owned an orange grove) seemed to be alcoholism and
stripping. And apparently many embrace racism, ignorance, high speed
pursuits, wife beating and burning trailer parks. On the coast, many
embrace insurance fraud, massive unsustainable over development, and
venal politicians. And after the Jeb years, massive unemployment and
total implosion of the ballooned housing market.

The day I moved to Tampa from Jacksonville Beach/Ponte Vedra I was
subjected to non-stop coverage of Hank Carr:
http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/52098/A_child__3_officers_a.html

And this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_the_Love_Sponge

And this:
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/

The population was warned not to go outside as helicopters regularly
flew overhead spraying Malathion over the city of Tampa and
surrounding orange groves to control fruit flies.

And of course, the 2000 election where people were forced from polling
locations and prohibited from voting due to manufactured felon voter
hit lists. I left Florida and moved to NJ in a hurry after witnessing
that (and a few other things I won't get into here). Thank you,
Katherine Harris and all the other ignorant, thieving NeoCons of S.FL.
And Up Yours, Jeb Bush.

I hear people refer to California as the land of fruits and nuts? Ha!
I moved for the ocean and diving and boats. This is what I got!

After this last trip, and some very suspicious occurrences in Key West
and Naples concerning the Mayor of Key West and his relatives, and a
huge fire on Duval street, I'll never set foot in the state again -
and I have a few unfortunate relatives who live there (on the coasts).

And a parrot? WTF?



Greg G.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:18 AM

Lew Hodgett said:

>"LDosser" wrote:
>
>> He's all your'n ...

Gee, Thanks.

>Sounds like this bunch of red necks are looking for some "Clean
>Northern Car" types.

That would be me. Shiny Crown Vic - out of state.
Apparently during Spring Break.

>If they want some tips from the pros, they should Google "Lindale,
>Ohio, I-71."

Or Smyrna, GA. Or Evans, NJ. Or...

>Can't imagine how much they collect today but it would not surprise me
>if it was at least $200K/Yr.

According to the records retrieved so far, try $1,368,000/annum.

>IMHO, speed traps are a cost of doing business.

FWIW, this is not a speed trap.
I could live with that - speed and get a ticket. That is the law.

This is gaming the system with hidden/illegally placed No U-Turn
signs in an area which does not warrant ANY restriction on turns.
Combined with a hastily installed barricade which forces drivers
to perform the allegedly prohibited U-Turn and a cop who sits
all day in one spot watching for this exact "infraction."
Next to the Interstate, outside their jurisdiction; so that they may
target strangers who stumble into this incongruity.
They've been attempting to do this for 25 years:

http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/18D41B1EA87E07918525657700570A07

I regret beating a dead horse farther in this group, but cripes,
people - no wonder we are in the mess we are...

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:38 PM

Joe AutoDrill said:

>>>> BTW, I'm not fond of most lawyers... ;-)
>>>
>>>Most? LOL...
>>
>> Well, I was attempting to be accommodating. ;-)
>> I do have one friend here who is a SS lawyer and
>> I dated a female attorney in New Jersey 8 years ago.
>> It was truly a lost summer...
>
>Okay... This is snowballing.

Yes, this OT post has become far more verbose than intended.
Yet most of the lawyers and judges in this state/county are nothing
but ladder climbing sycophants and pettifoggers of the worst kind.
Ethics? Bah!

Based on my exposure, the judges in NJ were far more reputable than
any remaining in the south - but I may have just been lucky...

>I know a lot of female attorneys in NJ since I live here and .... well...
>know a lot of attorneys. Initials? Township/city they lived / worked in?
>Would be really funny if it was my aunt-in-law. :)

I worked in Blackwood, lived in Ewan amidst the peach farms.
They tell me it is all McMansions these days.
As for the female attorney, Tina and Cherry Hill.
She lived in Harrison Township, AIR.

>> But generally, and any with political aspirations? Naaa...
>
>There aren't many people with political aspirations that are worth anything
>these days, but that's another subject.

That would be a minimum of 2000 years of heated contention...

Thanks, and BTW, I do butcher wood. At least until the angina pectoris
hit a while back. I haven't participated here much since that
condition occurred, but I used to be a regular and still recognize
many of the names, including yours.

Greg

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 28/10/2009 2:38 PM

30/10/2009 3:21 AM

Swingman said:

>[email protected] wrote:
>\
>> Thanks, Robatoy. And Swingman, et al.
>> IMHO, I've turned a few wonderful bowls, but never a phrase.
>> Yet that's why I love this place - even after a 2 year hiatus.
>> Mostly level headed, industrious, inventive, self-starters who possess
>> a modicum of common sense. A credible goal for you to aspire to. ;-)
>
>Greg, old buddy! Good to see you back!

Thanks! Glad to see some familiar names still around.
I look in occasionally, but various things have happened that kinda
took the steam out of my woodworking activities.

I installed a huge 4'x4' double paned tempered glass bow window and
accompanying sidelites one evening and the next morning I went to
install the drip moldings and lifted my hands over my head and fell
over on the scaffolding in pain. Seems my heart wasn't up to the task.
I now can barely walk to the mailbox without severe angina kicking my
ass. Over-freaking-night. Isn't life wonderful?

Three months earlier I was sitting in Durty Harry's in Key West with a
pack of spring breakers drinking copious amounts of Knob Creek, while
dozens of beautiful young ladies came up and sat beside for a bit of
conversion while they ordered their drinks. Next day running up 88
lighthouse stairs at full clip, and walking 10 miles of wildlife and
nature refuge pathways.
http://gonelikethewind.blogspot.com/2009/03/coastal-tour-of-florida-2009.html

Looks like I'll be trading those power tools for overpriced
medications - assuming I can ever afford to see a doctor after
spending $6000 on a freaking dentist to repair botched dental work
from 20 yeas ago.

Feh... Don't mind me, I'm just pissed at the world.

Good to see you again, however!


Greg G.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 10:20 AM

From a friend:

Well, I went for a little ride over to CR48 in Bushnell. I'm familiar with
the area becaused I lived in the RV park behind that Walmart last winter.

There is an exit from Walmart onto CR48, right turn only, with permanent
yellow posts in the pavement preventing the eastbound traffic from turning
onto the westbound lane. At the end of the yellow posts are 2 large and very
visible "NO U Turn" signs. It is a 2 lane un-divided road with a centre turn
lane.

If anyone does a U-turn at the end of the yellow posts, they deserve a
ticket, IMO

About 800 feet further east is another exit from Walmart, with traffic
lights and no turn restrictions.

Regards,
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Robatoy

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 10:20 AM

29/10/2009 12:38 AM

On Oct 29, 3:22=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> Swingman said:
>
> >> Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.
>
> >Don't get me started:
>
> >"It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
> >component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
> >distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
> >in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
> >society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
> >precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
> >of our government."
>
> >I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
> >more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.
>
> I agree. A generation of overly indulged, short-sighted inheritors of
> heritage fortune never developed the ability to feel compassion for
> others or behave in a moral fashion while conducting their affairs.
> It's all about winning - even if only legal in the vaguest sense.
> Morality isn't even a blank cell in their spreadsheets - short of the
> occasional feigned retail public displays.
>
> I spent a few years at Emory Law School a couple decades ago yet
> bypassed their formal curriculum; thus sidestepping the usual
> indoctrination into the cloistered fold of "Brothers and Sisters of
> the Bar." =A0While reading various syllabi written by an assortment of
> state judges spanning the period from about 1940 to present day I was
> struck by the temporal degradation in critical/analytical thinking
> exhibited. There is less justice and more campaign contributions and
> hand washing apparent in these supposed modern times. Apparently this
> is inevitable in all fields which are self-regulated - similar to Wall
> Street; to reflect upon a more timely group who professes to be above
> scrutiny. =A0Seldom are lawyers or judges (or bankers/brokers) ever held
> accountable for egregious acts in violation of their oaths to conform
> to ethical boundaries. It should not be dismissed simply as human
> nature, but is from all appearances a particularly devious
> narcissistic mental illness which causes those afflicted to be drawn
> towards positions of control, power and wealth. Brash venality is
> considered a perk of certain professions - which in this case are best
> defined as the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches of
> government.
>
> The hue and cry becomes deafening if you dare mention the J.A.I.L.
> initiative, or even suggest that some avenue for the public to address
> violations of Canon ethics and perfidy should exist. Oversight, you
> see, is only for the unwashed masses, not the aristocracy. As a nation
> we have become the fetid beast we initially sought to escape.
>
> Oy Vey! =A0I'm beginning to fully understand my attraction to beating on
> objects with a large clownhammer. =A0;-)

You turn a wonderful phrase. It is nice to read a post of this
caliber. (The fact that your paragraphs sum up my exact views was a
bonus.)

Had to be said.


r

MM

Mike M

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 10:20 AM

28/10/2009 6:47 PM

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:28:48 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Bingo, KC! That and the legions of politicians who are on big pharma
>> and HMO/insurance company payrolls.
>
>Almost all, to the man, lawyers ...
>
>> Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.
>
>Don't get me started:
>
>"It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
>component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
>distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
>in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
>society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
>precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
>of our government."
>
>I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
>more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.

How true. The original constitution was based on that. Morals
change, but now they allow lawyers to nitpik over every detail end end
up with results which were never intended. And the courts reinterpet
the law as well. Changes have to occur, but they way they occur now
seems to be based on things I just don't understand anymore.

Mike M

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 10:20 AM

30/10/2009 3:27 AM

CW said:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Insurance has become nothing but a pork barrel for every avaricious
>> pettifogger and pink-handed money-changer to dip into.
>>
>There is a very, very fine line between a protection racket and an insurence
>company.

That line is probably Wall Street.


Greg G.

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 10:20 AM

29/10/2009 8:01 AM

Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 29, 3:22 am, [email protected] wrote:
>> Swingman said:
>>
>>>> Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.
>>> Don't get me started:
>>> "It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
>>> component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
>>> distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
>>> in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
>>> society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
>>> precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
>>> of our government."
>>> I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
>>> more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.
>> I agree. A generation of overly indulged, short-sighted inheritors of
>> heritage fortune never developed the ability to feel compassion for
>> others or behave in a moral fashion while conducting their affairs.
>> It's all about winning - even if only legal in the vaguest sense.
>> Morality isn't even a blank cell in their spreadsheets - short of the
>> occasional feigned retail public displays.
>>
>> I spent a few years at Emory Law School a couple decades ago yet
>> bypassed their formal curriculum; thus sidestepping the usual
>> indoctrination into the cloistered fold of "Brothers and Sisters of
>> the Bar." While reading various syllabi written by an assortment of
>> state judges spanning the period from about 1940 to present day I was
>> struck by the temporal degradation in critical/analytical thinking
>> exhibited. There is less justice and more campaign contributions and
>> hand washing apparent in these supposed modern times. Apparently this
>> is inevitable in all fields which are self-regulated - similar to Wall
>> Street; to reflect upon a more timely group who professes to be above
>> scrutiny. Seldom are lawyers or judges (or bankers/brokers) ever held
>> accountable for egregious acts in violation of their oaths to conform
>> to ethical boundaries. It should not be dismissed simply as human
>> nature, but is from all appearances a particularly devious
>> narcissistic mental illness which causes those afflicted to be drawn
>> towards positions of control, power and wealth. Brash venality is
>> considered a perk of certain professions - which in this case are best
>> defined as the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches of
>> government.
>>
>> The hue and cry becomes deafening if you dare mention the J.A.I.L.
>> initiative, or even suggest that some avenue for the public to address
>> violations of Canon ethics and perfidy should exist. Oversight, you
>> see, is only for the unwashed masses, not the aristocracy. As a nation
>> we have become the fetid beast we initially sought to escape.
>>
>> Oy Vey! I'm beginning to fully understand my attraction to beating on
>> objects with a large clownhammer. ;-)
>
> You turn a wonderful phrase. It is nice to read a post of this
> caliber. (The fact that your paragraphs sum up my exact views was a
> bonus.)
>
> Had to be said.
>
>
> r

Just like a good board game, capitalism is a wonderful thing when everybody plays by the
rules. But no matter who you are or how high up you've climbed, there is always a higher
power you should be answering to.

--
Free bad advice available here.
To reply, eat the taco.
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B

in reply to "Joe AutoDrill" on 28/10/2009 10:20 AM

29/10/2009 3:22 AM

Swingman said:

>> Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.
>
>Don't get me started:
>
>"It is apparent that a capitalistic society must have a strong moral
>component in order to survive. It follows that that which blurs the
>distinction between morality and legality, such as the curriculum taught
>in the law schools in this country, poses an increasing danger to our
>society. Therefore, we would do well to fully consider a concept that
>precludes products of this curriculum serving in the Legislative branch
>of our government."
>
>I posted the above on a Fido BBS some 23 years ago ... it is becoming
>more obvious/pertinent with each passing year.

I agree. A generation of overly indulged, short-sighted inheritors of
heritage fortune never developed the ability to feel compassion for
others or behave in a moral fashion while conducting their affairs.
It's all about winning - even if only legal in the vaguest sense.
Morality isn't even a blank cell in their spreadsheets - short of the
occasional feigned retail public displays.

I spent a few years at Emory Law School a couple decades ago yet
bypassed their formal curriculum; thus sidestepping the usual
indoctrination into the cloistered fold of "Brothers and Sisters of
the Bar." While reading various syllabi written by an assortment of
state judges spanning the period from about 1940 to present day I was
struck by the temporal degradation in critical/analytical thinking
exhibited. There is less justice and more campaign contributions and
hand washing apparent in these supposed modern times. Apparently this
is inevitable in all fields which are self-regulated - similar to Wall
Street; to reflect upon a more timely group who professes to be above
scrutiny. Seldom are lawyers or judges (or bankers/brokers) ever held
accountable for egregious acts in violation of their oaths to conform
to ethical boundaries. It should not be dismissed simply as human
nature, but is from all appearances a particularly devious
narcissistic mental illness which causes those afflicted to be drawn
towards positions of control, power and wealth. Brash venality is
considered a perk of certain professions - which in this case are best
defined as the Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches of
government.

The hue and cry becomes deafening if you dare mention the J.A.I.L.
initiative, or even suggest that some avenue for the public to address
violations of Canon ethics and perfidy should exist. Oversight, you
see, is only for the unwashed masses, not the aristocracy. As a nation
we have become the fetid beast we initially sought to escape.

Oy Vey! I'm beginning to fully understand my attraction to beating on
objects with a large clownhammer. ;-)

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 6:03 AM

LDosser said:

>>>Then there's the bucket file ...
>>
>> I don't know that one...
>>
>> Is that a file you use to make/shape buckets,
>> or a bucket you store rasps and files in,
>> or...?
>>
>
>The file of stuff you want to do if you get the news you'll kick the bucket
>in a year or so. Was a movie by that name. Haven't seen it, but I appreciate
>the sentiment ...

Doh! I get it now. I'll look for the movie on Netflix.


Greg G.

G

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

29/10/2009 6:59 AM

LDosser said:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I'd say that 33 years of driving without causing an accident and 23
>> years with one minor speeding violation is a pretty good record, eh?
>>
>
>I can do better than your record. I'm 66 and haven't murdered anyone!

Well, it's not looking good that I'll make it to 66, but I've resisted
the overwhelming temptation to break the legs of a number of really
scummy, lying, perfidious, manipulative, drug-deal-financing lawyer
types who richly deserve it. After 20 years, Karma eventually took
care of most. But there is still time to turn a few personalized ash
baseball bats... ;-)


Greg G.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:39 PM

>>From a friend:
>>
>>There is an exit from Walmart onto CR48, right turn only, with permanent
>>yellow posts in the pavement preventing the eastbound traffic from turning
>>onto the westbound lane. At the end of the yellow posts are 2 large and
>>very
>>visible "NO U Turn" signs. It is a 2 lane un-divided road with a centre
>>turn
>>lane.
>
> Well, Joe. Those signs, if in fact there are signs, were NOT
> installed when I and many others were ticketed. I wish I had a photo
> for comparison.

I'm not your adversary BTW, I was simply posting info that was forwarded to
me after I provided your info to a global motorcycle touring group I'm a
part of. One of those guys is the author of my comments.

I'd also love the link to your photos please... Didn't see that and would
love to send that link to my contact.

> They were probably installed after a 7 month court battle and my
> complaints to the FDOT. As shown in the photo posted earlier, signs
> were NOT installed at that time.

Could be... If that is the case, and you still feel wronged, go back and
make your case that it was their lack of proper signage that caused the
problem.

>>If anyone does a U-turn at the end of the yellow posts, they deserve a
>>ticket, IMO
>
> If in fact the signs are where you claim, then they meet the
> requirements of the MUTCD and are legal. And visible.
>
>>About 800 feet further east is another exit from Walmart, with traffic
>>lights and no turn restrictions.
>
> And a stranger to the area exiting the Wendys is to know this how?
> A better question is why they are needed at all. I've never seen more
> than 3 cars on that road, even on a Monday afternoon.

(Sarcasm on) Our job is not to question big brother but to be assimilated
without any struggling. Freedom to think logically, to critically test
everything to see if it is legitimate and to be able to speak about what we
find disappeared decades ago. (Sarcasm off)

CLIP
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Markem

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 10:34 AM

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:53:50 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"LDosser" wrote:
>
>> He's all your'n ...
>
>Sounds like this bunch of red necks are looking for some "Clean
>Northern Car" types.
>
>If they want some tips from the pros, they should Google "Lindale,
>Ohio, I-71."
>
>Lindale was knocking down $60K/yr back in 1960 from a couple of city
>street lights before I-71 was even built.
>
>When I-71 was built, they attempted to eliminate Lindale from
>existence, but they failed.
>
>As a result, the portion of I-71 that goes thru Lindale can't be
>accessed from Lindale, you must go into Cleveland to get onto I-71.
>
>I drove that stretch of I-71 thru Lindale for 30 years, luckily
>without getting a ticket, but I also drove past a Lindale squad car
>with a radar gun almost every time.
>
>Can't imagine how much they collect today but it would not surprise me
>if it was at least $200K/Yr.
>
>IMHO, speed traps are a cost of doing business.

Or Richmond, Illinois my brother spent a night there.

Mark

Cc

"CW"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 10:49 AM


"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ql%[email protected]...


> I provided your info to a global motorcycle touring group I'm a part of.

Hell's Angels? Bandidoes? :)

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

01/11/2009 7:27 AM

RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 31, 9:46 pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 9:21 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes,
>>>> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
>>>> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to
>>>> kill each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a
>>>> Texas justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin'
>>>> thru my 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>>
>>> Have you ever traveled? I mean outside the US. If so, where?
>>
>> Uh, yeah. I've been to Israel, Turkey, Italy, France, England, parts
>> of south Mississippi, and a few other places. Why do you ask?
>>
>> In the next couple of months, I'll be doing installations in
>> Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Moscow.
>
> Exactly. You don't travel for enlightenment. You drag your
> preconceptions around with you. A lot of people do, don't feel bad -
> you just miss out on most of the good stuff.
>

No, I've been enlightened. For example, many are concerned about the
possible violence in Israel. True, the Jews and the Arabs don't agree on
much, but the thing that's at the top of a very short list is this: Tourists
are inviolate! Nobody bothers a visitor! (They bring money, several billion
a year.).

In riding a train from Manchester to London, I struck up a conversation with
two local businessmen. When informed I was a tourist, they looked at each
other in astonishment, mouths agape. Finally, one asked: "Then what are you
doing in Manchester? There's nothing there to see but coal dust?" They were
quite relieved when told that's where I turned in my rental car after
driving for several hundred miles. I just couldn't take any more
round-abouts. Here's one:
http://picdit.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/rndabout.jpg

And it's easy to get with the program in a foreign land. In Rome, for
example, EVERY SINGLE WOMAN I saw was dressed to kill! They were the height
of fashion and every woman was, in one way or another, delectable and
desirable.

In Israel I pulled up to the wrong pump and had the tank filled. Turns out
it was a military pump! I learned that every gas station in the country had
two underground tanks devoted to the military: one contains gasoline, one
contains diesel. Therefore, every gas station in the country is a military
fuel depot!

More and more places are becoming Americanized. You can get a Big Mac in
London. It still has a regional accent, though, being made with lamb and
having sliced cucumbers instead of tomatoes.

In Turkey, street vendors don't sell apples - they sell figs as big as
apples! Quite tasty. And you have eggplant with every meal.

And I have been enlightened even here. After moseying around Harvard Square,
my business contact asked me my impression.

"I'll readily admit, on many things, you have us beat: PhDs per square foot,
books in the library, endowments and you excell in many other endeavors. But
on the two things that are really important in life, we've got you beat."

"What's that?" he asked.

"Football teams and pretty women," I said.

"I'd believe that and I've never been to Texas, " he replied, shaking his
head. "Did you notice their socks don't match?"

"Yup," I agreed. "Back home, they'd be a bounty on 'em."

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:02 PM

CW said:

>"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:ql%[email protected]...
>
>> I provided your info to a global motorcycle touring group I'm a part of.
>
>Hell's Angels? Bandidoes? :)

Sons of Anarchy?

I've ridden all over FL and GA on a bike and never got a ticket.
Too fast for 'em. ;-)

Greg

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

30/10/2009 10:24 PM

HeyBub said:

>Greg G. wrote:
>> I left Florida and moved to NJ in a hurry
>
>It seems as if you have an objection to apparent skullduggery on the part of
>state government officials.
>
>So you moved to New Jersey (?).

I knew someone there. And stayed slightly less than a year.
Don't live there now - and certainly didn't live anywhere near Newark.
Got tired of road blocks, yahoo employers, the woman, and ticks.

>LEFT New Jersey. This outflux has been offset by: a) People fleeing even
>worse conditions in New York City, and b) Fools.

You should add a third group - c) people fleeing Killadelphia.
As I left in the fall of 2001, the farms of south Jersey were being
razed by McMansion developers who sold to those who worked in Philly
but wouldn't live there anymore.

>Next Tuesday is an election for governor. The Newark Star-Ledger took the
>John Galt position and endorsed neither the Democrat (Corzine) nor the
>Republican (Christie).

THAT I can empathize with... I got Whitman.
The state I live in now is seeing an influx of people fleeing Newark.
800 miles away and less crime... But they're bringing it with them -
in the form of their relatives who get into trouble at home and flee
to hide out with relatives. Oh, Joy!

I considered New Mexico or Seattle or Portland at the time, but am
looking towards the dark side of the moon at this point. ;-)


Greg G.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

27/10/2009 11:12 PM

Lew Hodgett said:

>RE: Subject
>
>What was the fine?

Very funny, Lew. You continue to be a real inspiration!

You'd have to have lived through the entire court proceeding, the
cop's reckless behavior and the FDOT's nervous response to understand.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SueyZHHV32I/AAAAAAAAAj8/EFj-v8K0aog/s1600-h/Stalking5.jpg

Extortion, not a valid ticket. Illegal revenue collection. Thieves.
And there is more and more of this occurring around the nation as the
economy implodes. There are specific requirements for road signage.
This county does not meet the requirements - not even close.
They have decided that if they put a stop sign in a tree top they can
ticket you for running it. Sour grapes? Yes. Illegal? Doubly so.

Ever heard of retiming the yellow lights on camera enforced stop
lights to below the MUTCD requirements in order to raise revenue?
Numerous cases around the country have been fought in court and won.
At great expense, I remind you. Illegal, unsafe, and yet ubiquitous.

Baaa aaaaa aaaa aaaaa....

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 6:41 AM

Lew Hodgett said:

><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, this is not a speed trap.
>> I could live with that - speed and get a ticket. That is the law.
>>
>> This is gaming the system with hidden/illegally placed No U-Turn
>> signs in an area which does not warrant ANY restriction on turns.
>
>These days, local gov't have to be resourceful.
>
>They can't get taxes increased to meet rising demands for local
>services, thus they get creative.
>
>Don't agree with the methods, but until normal tax channels supply the
>operating revenue, they will continue.

I understand the motivations and methods.
But as I've been told all my life, want more money? Get a job!

Or do like everyone else in the country and tighten their belts.
All I see are pay raises, closed door salary negotiations, nepotism
and cronyism. Grossly overpaid judges and lawyers and politicians.
Same old same old I went through 22 years ago. Screw them all.

This is a government entity that deserves to be drowned in the
bathtub.

B

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 5:09 PM

Swingman said:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> I've always preferred single payer, and abhor insurance companies, but
>> health care costs have increased 50 fold since I was a kid. And dental
>> care 10 fold in 20 years. How come our pay doesn't follow that curve?
>
>Because insurance, and lawyers, are the problem, not the solution.

Bingo, KC! That and the legions of politicians who are on big pharma
and HMO/insurance company payrolls.

The day they allowed ambulance chasers and their chiropractor
accomplices to advertise on TV and private auto insurance was mandated
by state law was the death knell to reasonable auto insurance rates
and fair service. The same has occurred in Massachusetts concerning
health care, and we are plummeting into an era of similar treatment
nationally on health care. Fair dinkum my ass. The day they force me
to buy private sector health insurance is the day I leave this place
and move to New Zealand. FWIW, China has a national health care
system which costs the population $7 per year - not $180+ a month.

Insurance has become nothing but a pork barrel for every avaricious
pettifogger and pink-handed money-changer to dip into.

We have lawyers in this part of the country who are running ads that
state, and I'm not making this up, "Have you been fired by your
attorney?" Since when do lawyers hire potential plaintiffs?

Another exclaims, "Big trucks carry big insurance - and that means big
money for you". Not considering the fact that most truck accidents
are reputedly caused by idiot automobile drivers who do not understand
physics generally nor the difficulties of driving a semi in traffic.

Shakespeare definitely had the right idea in Henry VIII.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 2:58 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> I've always preferred single payer, and abhor insurance companies, but
> health care costs have increased 50 fold since I was a kid. And dental
> care 10 fold in 20 years. How come our pay doesn't follow that curve?

Because insurance, and lawyers, are the problem, not the solution.


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Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

31/10/2009 8:48 PM

Swingman wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>
>> I can sympathize. I'm in Houston and we got a LOT of scrots, mopes,
>> squints, and assort effluvia from the Katrina evacuation of New
>> Orleans. It was grim for a while, but the immigrants managed to kill
>> each other off with some regularity while the survivors got a Texas
>> justice reality check: "Whatchew mean I can't be moseyin' thru my
>> 'hood with a malt and a toke?"
>
> SWMBO took one of youngest daughter's HS \school chums home to her
> apartment off Fondren in SW Houston shortly after Katrina and actually
> got caught in a gun battle between Katrina rivals ... she still gets
> chills when talking about it.

Have her check out "Top Gun" near Hillcroft & Bellaire. It's an indoor range
that offers concealed handgun classes.

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to [email protected] on 27/10/2009 3:52 AM

28/10/2009 1:58 PM

>> I provided your info to a global motorcycle touring group I'm a part of.
>
> Hell's Angels? Bandidoes? :)

Wild Hogs baby! Wild Hogs!

(Vulcan Riders and Owners Club actually, 30,000+ registered globally...)

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill

V8013-R





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