Rusty,
Do you really believe the dems had nothing or little to do with our current
situation? If so you are a fool. Both teams were involved up to their asses.
cm
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto
> makers.Nice try throwing in a few buzz names like Kennedy,pelosi. Would
> be much funnier if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or
> any of the Bush group that got us here. I see where you want to go It just
> isn't working.
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
>>
>
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> snip
>>>>>Unfortunately the cost of labor was way way way in excess of fair
>>>>>market value, as were the benefits packages for it's employees.
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried getting a car built for yourself?
>>>> Labor priced in excess of the whole Domestic car i'm sure.
>>>> Roush, Saleen or Shelby
>>>
>>> I was speaking of typical mass production cars?
>>>
>> You can always order all the parts and try putting it together yourself
>> if
>> you think there time isn't worth it
>
>
> Don't play the part of a fool. Surely you know that mass production as I
> have mention in the previous post brings down the cost. One offs
> exaggerate the cost. I could build that "1" car cheaper than "1" union
> worker would get paid to build that "1" car.
>
> Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
> benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on right
> now.
>
> And again, no, the Union built Detroit vehicles are not worth the labor
> cost to build them. Having retired from the automotive industry and dealt
> with warranty and repairs on GM vehicles and GM reps, I do know what I
> am talking about. I'll buy foreign now and will continue to do so until
> American automobile makers can compete in price and quality. They think
> they are doing so now but the economy and the letter I received from the
> CEO of GM would indicate otherwise.
>
I was thinking more like the CEO's drained the company of cash and run it on
debt. Didn't CEOs give themselves and other board members increases in pay
from 200 000 to like 10 to 20 million plus bonuses another 10 or so million?
Overpaid salesmen. As for the American quality I think your referring to the
1980s, the cars coming of the lines today are pretty good. Japan's cars well
you don't see to many of the older ones driving around (disposable units as
most of the mechanics I know call them) especially the cheap units. Really
your going to buy foreign, Just cause you think it will screw your union
neighbour. You must hate your country.(joke) As for the playing the fool
I'm not the one running around saying the sky is falling more like cup half
full just a little bit of tooling away from making greener cars and a giant
broom to clean out the CEOs. The labor force already gave concessions and
now make what the Toyota plant workers make.
> Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
> benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on right
> now.
By the way I think Toyota (oh god of car manufacturers) is undergoing
reorganization too
Let me know if you see a 1980's Toyota driving around I know there are 1 or
2 out there.
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> So you were a saleman that explains alot i'm thinking you were the
> overpaid one.
No not a salesman, Parts Dirrector over 2 dealerships and Service Sales
Manager over 1 of those dealerships, later on The GM of an AC/Delco 3M
Wholesale distributor.
>>
>> What are their retirement benefits comnpared to the Toyota workers? ;~)
>
> I believe they gave up all there benifits they are exactly the same as
> Toyota workers.
Believe?
>
>>>> Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
>>>> benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on
>>>> right now.
>>> By the way I think Toyota (oh god of car manufacturers) is undergoing
>>> reorganization too
>>
>> Not in the courts.
>
> Niether is Ford
Not yet anyway.
>
>>> Let me know if you see a 1980's Toyota driving around I know there are 1
>>> or 2 out there.
>>
>> Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
>> Hondas.
> I have never seen a honda civic with over 150 miles on it lol i'm guessing
> your full of BS
No, not full of BS simply trying to educate you, but, you apparently have
made up your mind. See yuh!
On Jun 7, 11:26=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto
> > makers.Nice try throwing in a few buzz =A0names like Kennedy,pelosi. Wo=
uld
> > be much funnier if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or
> > any of the Bush group that got us here. I see where you want to go It j=
ust
> > isn't working.
>
> Apparently you did not realize that "I" had nothing to do with the video.
Had you been involved, it would have been funnier.
On Jun 7, 2:15=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrAqPMJFaEdY
>
> Where's the wheelchair accessible version? =A0:)
Huh? You GOT wheels, don't you? <G>
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto
> makers.Nice try throwing in a few buzz names like Kennedy,pelosi. Would
> be much funnier if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or
> any of the Bush group that got us here. I see where you want to go It just
> isn't working.
Apparently you did not realize that "I" had nothing to do with the video.
Upscale wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
>>> Where's the wheelchair accessible version? :)
>
>> Huh? You GOT wheels, don't you? <G>
>
> Well, I was kinda hoping for a water ski tow rope option or something like
> that. :)
>
So you were that clown on the 401 last week.
;-)
--
Froz...
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> snip
>>Unfortunately the cost of labor was way way way in excess of fair market
>>value, as were the benefits packages for it's employees.
>
> Have you tried getting a car built for yourself?
> Labor priced in excess of the whole Domestic car i'm sure.
> Roush, Saleen or Shelby
I was speaking of typical mass production cars?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> snip
>>>Unfortunately the cost of labor was way way way in excess of fair market
>>>value, as were the benefits packages for it's employees.
>>
>> Have you tried getting a car built for yourself?
>> Labor priced in excess of the whole Domestic car i'm sure.
>> Roush, Saleen or Shelby
>
> I was speaking of typical mass production cars?
>
You can always order all the parts and try putting it together yourself if
you think there time isn't worth it
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
> > Where's the wheelchair accessible version? :)
> Huh? You GOT wheels, don't you? <G>
Well, I was kinda hoping for a water ski tow rope option or something like
that. :)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Now what would happen if republicans were to design cars....oh..,
wait... we have Hummers and Ford Explores and Cadillacs already.
I was reading a rather long article on MSNBC about the GM car that is
getting the most up front coverage at the moment. The journalist seemed
rather surprised that GM was pushing the Chevy Camaro V8 over the Chevy Volt
and or other Hybrid vehicles. We went on to say that one of the higher ups
with GM drove a gas gusseting Corvette. That was when I quit reading.
Had the journalist done some research he would have found that the Corvette
actually gets pretty darn good gas mileage. My neighbor has a newer model
Corvette and took it on a road trip from Houston to Florida. His average
gas mileage was just over 29 MPG.
GM builds/built what sells/sold. Unfortunately the cost of labor was way
way way in excess of fair market value, as were the benefits packages for
it's employees. Unfortunately the quality was not up to par as a result.
It will be interesting to see how the labor unions will position themselves,
come contract renegotiation time, when its flock owns 30% of the company.
You can thank the price of oil, and reckless consumer spending on items they
could not afford in the first place, for the fall Detroit.
IMHO, like periodic "stock market corrections", past consumer purchases
are now going through a correction period.
Veering of on a tangent now,
What a majority of the American people need is a healthy shot of "how to
handle your money". I blows me away that there is no public education on
why you should walk away from a 30 year home mortgage and only consider a 15
year or less home mortgage. If you can't afford 15 year mortgage payments
you really should be considering a more affordable house. If you cant
afford a car loan for less than 4 years you really should be considering a
more affordable vehicle.
On Jun 7, 10:57=A0am, "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto makers.Ni=
ce
> try throwing in a few buzz =A0names like Kennedy,pelosi. Would be much fu=
nnier
> if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or any of the Bush
> group that got us here. I see where you want to go It just isn't working.
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrAqPMJFaEdY
Oh, I don't know, I thought it was funny enough for a few chuckles.
The Kennedy/Chappaquiddick reference was superfluous as were other
obvious low hanging fruits of Dem bashing.
It did, however, touch on all those things which are likely to happen
should congress get involved with the actual R&D of Government Motors.
So, aside from the few chuckles, the video just wasn't all that
clever.
Now what would happen if republicans were to design cars....oh..,
wait... we have Hummers and Ford Explores and Cadillacs already.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
Where's the wheelchair accessible version? :)
Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto makers.Nice
try throwing in a few buzz names like Kennedy,pelosi. Would be much funnier
if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or any of the Bush
group that got us here. I see where you want to go It just isn't working.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
>
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> I was thinking more like the CEO's drained the company of cash and run it
> on debt. Didn't CEOs give themselves and other board members increases in
> pay from 200 000 to like 10 to 20 million plus bonuses another 10 or so
> million? Overpaid salesmen.
they were indeed over paid but those bonuses really did not have much effect
on the cash flow. They were setting a bad example more than any thing.
As for the American quality I think your referring to the
> 1980s, the cars coming of the lines today are pretty good. Japan's cars
> well you don't see to many of the older ones driving around (disposable
> units as most of the mechanics I know call them) especially the cheap
> units.
I was in the GM dealer end of the business in the 70's, 90's. and 90's.
None of them were proud years for quality in retrospect. My particular GM
service department would take in around 100 vehicles every Monday and those
vehicles were in a constant line to get in. Tuesday another 70-80 vehicles,
and at noon on Wednesday whe had to stop promising that the vehicles would
be out by Friday of that week. 50% of the work being done was warranty work
and 95% of the time it was the same repair over and over again, week end and
week out, year after year. The same parts that were going bad in large
numbers in 1978 were still being replaced in large numbers in 1995. My last
GM vehicle a 97 chev Silberado continuesd to have the same problems. I
replaced the for "certain to go bad", alternator 1 time with after market,
GM water pump 2 times, GM intake manifold gasket 2 times, GM blower motor 1
time, the GM heater hose and fitting 1 time and the final time with an
aftermarket hose and fitting, a GM window regulator motor on both doors,
interior and exterior dirvers door handles, and add an AC air deflector.
And this was the best GM vehicle I ever had out of 5 differnt ones and might
I add all the others had at least one or two of the same problems.
Really
> your going to buy foreign, Just cause you think it will screw your union
> neighbour.
No, I really could care less about the unions, I have given them a fair
chance and not I am going with dependability now, I am tired of being
screwed. Of the 8 new foreigh vehicles that I have bought the 6 Japanese
vehicles combind have not given me as much trouble as the last GM I
mentioned above.
You must hate your country.(joke) I don't hate my country, I hate what it
is becoming, a load of cry babies that depend on others to help carry their
load.
As for the playing the fool
> I'm not the one running around saying the sky is falling more like cup
> half full just a little bit of tooling away from making greener cars and a
> giant broom to clean out the CEOs.
The labor force already gave concessions and
> now make what the Toyota plant workers make.
What are their retirement benefits comnpared to the Toyota workers? ;~)
>> Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
>> benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on
>> right now.
> By the way I think Toyota (oh god of car manufacturers) is undergoing
> reorganization too
Not in the courts.
> Let me know if you see a 1980's Toyota driving around I know there are 1
> or 2 out there.
Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
Hondas.
I think it would be Cheney shooting the doctor in the face...
Or Bush who after you died just handed all the money to the doctor wants no
record of it and walks away
or is that to like reality?
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
>
> Heh! Saw a great metaphor today:
>
> "Let's pretend for a moment that, God forbid, you break your arm. And
> somehow you end up with a team of doctors all trained at Obama University.
> As you lie there on the table in the ER, one doctor treats your arm by
> banging on the unbroken one with a ball-peen hammer. The second doctor
> takes the unusual course of setting your hair on fire. And the third one
> uses leeches.
>
> "Undeterred by your arm's stubborn refusal to set, soon the doctors start
> blaming one another. And even though all of them are doing nothing but
> compounding your injury, none will take any blame. In fact, the louder you
> scream, the harder they go to work on you.
>
> "So now in walks a fourth doctor. This one has some Percocet and a splint,
> and when you see him you think, "Oh, at last, someone who knows what
> they're doing!" At which point, Hospital Administrator Obama shoots the
> fourth doctor in the face with a pistol. And wait until you see the
> hospital bill - they'll charge you for everything, including the bullet."
>
> http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/06/07/the-grand-unification-theory-of-sucking/
>
in 104674 20090610 163444 "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Bob Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> in 104602 20090610 054716 "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
>>>> Hondas.
>>>I have never seen a honda civic with over 150 miles on it lol i'm guessing
>>>your full of BS
>>
>> I drive a 1987 Nissan Bluebird with over 150,000 miles on the clock.
>> Body is starting to get a few rust patches but the engine and mechanics
>> are fine.
>
>That's 1 lol probably driven once a month and kept under a roof for the
>first 10 years of it's life.
>A Bluebird , never heard of that model before. I see no older imports
>driving around here. now I have to force myself to look for the things DUH!
I'm in the UK and the Bluebird was very popular here - it was manufactured in
the north of England. I've owned the car for the last 12 years and as I'm retired
it doesn't get used a lot, though it has had two extended drives round northern
France.
It has never been under cover while I've had it as my garage is my woodworking
workshop.
This is my model - same colour too :
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/nissan/bluebird-hatchback-1986.aspx
"Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> snip
>>>>Unfortunately the cost of labor was way way way in excess of fair market
>>>>value, as were the benefits packages for it's employees.
>>>
>>> Have you tried getting a car built for yourself?
>>> Labor priced in excess of the whole Domestic car i'm sure.
>>> Roush, Saleen or Shelby
>>
>> I was speaking of typical mass production cars?
>>
> You can always order all the parts and try putting it together yourself if
> you think there time isn't worth it
Don't play the part of a fool. Surely you know that mass production as I
have mention in the previous post brings down the cost. One offs exaggerate
the cost. I could build that "1" car cheaper than "1" union worker would
get paid to build that "1" car.
Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on right
now.
And again, no, the Union built Detroit vehicles are not worth the labor cost
to build them. Having retired from the automotive industry and dealt with
warranty and repairs on GM vehicles and GM reps, I do know what I am
talking about. I'll buy foreign now and will continue to do so until
American automobile makers can compete in price and quality. They think
they are doing so now but the economy and the letter I received from the CEO
of GM would indicate otherwise.
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:14:03 -0700, "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think it would be Cheney shooting the doctor in the face...
>Or Bush who after you died just handed all the money to the doctor wants no
>record of it and walks away
>or is that to like reality?
Hell no. Cheney is far more useful than that. He shoots the lawyer.
Top posting is for bottom feeders.
>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
>>
>> Heh! Saw a great metaphor today:
>>
>> "Let's pretend for a moment that, God forbid, you break your arm. And
>> somehow you end up with a team of doctors all trained at Obama University.
>> As you lie there on the table in the ER, one doctor treats your arm by
>> banging on the unbroken one with a ball-peen hammer. The second doctor
>> takes the unusual course of setting your hair on fire. And the third one
>> uses leeches.
>>
>> "Undeterred by your arm's stubborn refusal to set, soon the doctors start
>> blaming one another. And even though all of them are doing nothing but
>> compounding your injury, none will take any blame. In fact, the louder you
>> scream, the harder they go to work on you.
>>
>> "So now in walks a fourth doctor. This one has some Percocet and a splint,
>> and when you see him you think, "Oh, at last, someone who knows what
>> they're doing!" At which point, Hospital Administrator Obama shoots the
>> fourth doctor in the face with a pistol. And wait until you see the
>> hospital bill - they'll charge you for everything, including the bullet."
>>
>> http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/06/07/the-grand-unification-theory-of-sucking/
>>
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>> I was thinking more like the CEO's drained the company of cash and run it
>> on debt. Didn't CEOs give themselves and other board members increases in
>> pay from 200 000 to like 10 to 20 million plus bonuses another 10 or so
>> million? Overpaid salesmen.
>
> they were indeed over paid but those bonuses really did not have much
> effect on the cash flow. They were setting a bad example more than any
> thing.
What cash it has all been funnelled away? Bad example lmao It is thieft
>
> As for the American quality I think your referring to the
>> 1980s, the cars coming of the lines today are pretty good. Japan's cars
>> well you don't see to many of the older ones driving around (disposable
>> units as most of the mechanics I know call them) especially the cheap
>> units.
>
> I was in the GM dealer end of the business in the 70's, 90's. and 90's.
> None of them were proud years for quality in retrospect. My particular GM
> service department would take in around 100 vehicles every Monday and
> those vehicles were in a constant line to get in. Tuesday another 70-80
> vehicles, and at noon on Wednesday whe had to stop promising that the
> vehicles would be out by Friday of that week. 50% of the work being done
> was warranty work and 95% of the time it was the same repair over and over
> again, week end and week out, year after year. The same parts that were
> going bad in large numbers in 1978 were still being replaced in large
> numbers in 1995. My last GM vehicle a 97 chev Silberado continuesd to
> have the same problems. I replaced the for "certain to go bad",
> alternator 1 time with after market, GM water pump 2 times, GM intake
> manifold gasket 2 times, GM blower motor 1 time, the GM heater hose and
> fitting 1 time and the final time with an aftermarket hose and fitting, a
> GM window regulator motor on both doors, interior and exterior dirvers
> door handles, and add an AC air deflector. And this was the best GM
> vehicle I ever had out of 5 differnt ones and might I add all the others
> had at least one or two of the same problems.
So you were a saleman that explains alot i'm thinking you were the overpaid
one.
>
>
> Really
>> your going to buy foreign, Just cause you think it will screw your union
>> neighbour.
>
> No, I really could care less about the unions, I have given them a fair
> chance and not I am going with dependability now, I am tired of being
> screwed. Of the 8 new foreigh vehicles that I have bought the 6 Japanese
> vehicles combind have not given me as much trouble as the last GM I
> mentioned above.
I have also owned Japanese that started to fall apart after the first 5
years
Everything breaking at once. Toyota rusting away.The Volvo was nice
Favorite one is Ford 4x4
> You must hate your country.(joke) I don't hate my country, I hate what it
> is becoming, a load of cry babies that depend on others to help carry
> their load.
>
>
> As for the playing the fool
>> I'm not the one running around saying the sky is falling more like cup
>> half full just a little bit of tooling away from making greener cars and
>> a giant broom to clean out the CEOs.
> The labor force already gave concessions and
>> now make what the Toyota plant workers make.
>
> What are their retirement benefits comnpared to the Toyota workers? ;~)
I believe they gave up all there benifits they are exactly the same as
Toyota workers.
>>> Simply put, if Detroit were not paying "x" times too much for labor and
>>> benefits as compared to Toyota, reorganization would not be going on
>>> right now.
>> By the way I think Toyota (oh god of car manufacturers) is undergoing
>> reorganization too
>
> Not in the courts.
Niether is Ford
>> Let me know if you see a 1980's Toyota driving around I know there are 1
>> or 2 out there.
>
> Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
> Hondas.
I have never seen a honda civic with over 150 miles on it lol i'm guessing
your full of BS
>
>
>
>
"Bob Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> in 104602 20090610 054716 "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
>>> Hondas.
>>I have never seen a honda civic with over 150 miles on it lol i'm guessing
>>your full of BS
>
> I drive a 1987 Nissan Bluebird with over 150,000 miles on the clock.
> Body is starting to get a few rust patches but the engine and mechanics
> are fine.
That's 1 lol probably driven once a month and kept under a roof for the
first 10 years of it's life.
A Bluebird , never heard of that model before. I see no older imports
driving around here. now I have to force myself to look for the things DUH!
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 11:26 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Kind of lame considering all the auto video is of European auto
> > makers.Nice try throwing in a few buzz names like Kennedy,pelosi. Would
> > be much funnier if you used Mike Steele,bouncing Rush limpballs,Newt or
> > any of the Bush group that got us here. I see where you want to go It
> > just
> > isn't working.
>
> Apparently you did not realize that "I" had nothing to do with the video.
Had you been involved, it would have been funnier.
Why thank you there, Robatoy. ;~)
Leon wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
Heh! Saw a great metaphor today:
"Let's pretend for a moment that, God forbid, you break your arm. And
somehow you end up with a team of doctors all trained at Obama University.
As you lie there on the table in the ER, one doctor treats your arm by
banging on the unbroken one with a ball-peen hammer. The second doctor takes
the unusual course of setting your hair on fire. And the third one uses
leeches.
"Undeterred by your arm's stubborn refusal to set, soon the doctors start
blaming one another. And even though all of them are doing nothing but
compounding your injury, none will take any blame. In fact, the louder you
scream, the harder they go to work on you.
"So now in walks a fourth doctor. This one has some Percocet and a splint,
and when you see him you think, "Oh, at last, someone who knows what they're
doing!" At which point, Hospital Administrator Obama shoots the fourth
doctor in the face with a pistol. And wait until you see the hospital bill -
they'll charge you for everything, including the bullet."
http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/06/07/the-grand-unification-theory-of-sucking/
in 104602 20090610 054716 "Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Come to Houston, I can show you thousands of them, daily, right beside
>> Hondas.
>I have never seen a honda civic with over 150 miles on it lol i'm guessing
>your full of BS
I drive a 1987 Nissan Bluebird with over 150,000 miles on the clock.
Body is starting to get a few rust patches but the engine and mechanics are fine.