Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
Now to find the space to put it...
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> Now to find the space to put it...
>
>
> tschus
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:45:39
>-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>drill press. ;-)
>>>>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>
>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>lugnuts loose.
>>
>>You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>
> Yep.
>
> But that electric impact wrench, is it battery powered, or
>"corded". And how do you keep the batteries charged?
> One less thing to worry about with mechanical, non-electronic
>tools. It is a trade off.
I generally have occasion to use it multiple times a year for various
things. After each use I swap the battery out for the one that has
been sitting on the charger.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:58:42 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] on Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:41:29 -0400 typed in
>rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>>>>>apparently, he's got money to spare.
>>>>
>>>>There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
>>>>and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
>>>>pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
>>>>money.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> And one guys "big savings" is another's pocket change.
>>
>>In the grand scheme of things, yep, this is. I'll take it if I don't
>>have to go out of my way to get it but it's not going to change my
>>day, much less life. ...and, yes, we go out to restaurants for meals,
>>too.
>
> Some times ... it is easier to stop while we're out, than to wait.
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 3:48:02 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> >> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not ev=
en
> >> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
> >
> >
> >"$25 is worth a gloat"
> >Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. =
May=3D
> >be in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a =
glo=3D
> >at. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a mea=
l f=3D
> >or a family of four at McDonalds.=20
>=20
> Have you been to McDonalds lately? Any one meal now costs over USD 10.0=
0.
When I go to McDonalds I always get two or three McChicken sandwiches and a=
soda. All are $1 each. So $3-4 plus tax. But I am pretty sure I have se=
en combo meals advertised at McD and Burker King for $5.99. Sandwich of so=
me kind, fries, drink and maybe even a cookie too. 4 x 5.99 =3D about $24 =
plus tax and it should be a little over $25. I'm sure the combo meals with=
Big Mac or Whopper are more than $5.99. But they offer cheaper combo meal=
s.
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>
>
>"$25 is worth a gloat"
>Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. May=
>be in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a glo=
>at. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal f=
>or a family of four at McDonalds.
Have you been to McDonalds lately? Any one meal now costs over USD 10.00.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 6:25:04 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>=20
> If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
> would do?=20
>=20
> Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or woul=
d
> you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell=
=20
> someone about it?
HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!! Yesterday I bought a gallon of milk (the name brand m=
ilk!) at my grocery store for $1.98!!!!!!!!!! Whole lot less than the norm=
al $3.19 regular price. Not quite the same percentage sale as the drill pr=
ess. But I'm bragging about it.
Now most folks would not brag about this great sale that I got. But most f=
olks would not bother bragging about buying a used cheap Chinese drill pres=
s at less than the normal brand new retail price for a cheap Chinese drill =
press. It ain't worth a brag.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 10:36:57 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> >> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> >> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> >> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> >> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> >> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> >> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> >> John T.
> >
> >I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
> >drill press. ;-)
> >P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
> >not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
> >to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>
>
> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
> on the torque wrench .. :-)
> John T.
90 on my van. I see no reason to use a torque wrench when the $11 breaker bar
is only about 2 feet away. Besides, the BB is longer, so it takes less work.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrot=
e:
> > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrot=
e:
> > > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> > > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold =
the
> > > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench to=
p
> > > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> > > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> > > > Now to find the space to put it...
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > tschus
> > > > pyotr
> > > > --=20
> > > > pyotr filipivich
> > > > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth w=
as the lousy dystopian culture"
> > >=20
> > > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think y=
ou got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer t=
he same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
> > >=20
> > > https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.ht=
ml
> >=20
> > I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with yo=
ur
> > $50 price.
> >=20
> > pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how i=
s=20
> > 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
> >=20
> > Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not eve=
n
> > free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>=20
>=20
> "$25 is worth a gloat"
> Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. M=
aybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a g=
loat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal=
for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If an=
y of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or=
down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
would do?=20
Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell=20
someone about it?
Bob La Londe <[email protected]> on Tue, 9 Apr 2019 17:51:49 -0700 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 4/8/2019 2:53 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Bob La Londe <[email protected]> on Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:53:34 -0700 typed
>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>
>>> Regarding your "flange". Is that a blade spacer with a wide flat that
>>> sits up against the blade? If you have a lathe you can easily make one.
>>
>> I may have access to one.
>>
>> OTOH, with a drill press, I can "mill" one.
>
>That pretty optimistic for any drill press much less a low price one,
>but if you can then more power to you.
I might not be able to do "precision" work, or do it "fast", but
"eventually" would work. (I could make the part with a file if I am
willing to take the time.)
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:50:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Thu, 4 Apr
>2019 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>>> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>>> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>>> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>>> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>>> Now to find the space to put it...
>>>
>>
>>Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65.
>>So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think.
>>And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40
>>every other week in their sale flyer.
>
>Maybe so, but I have this one, I have it now. And I have it for
>less than a trip to HF.
>
I tried my new Princess Auto drill-to-socket adaptor yesterday
when changing my car wheels over to summer ...
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3-pc-socket-driver-adapter-set/A-p8636326e
My lowest expectations were realized within the first minute ..
they will be going into the garbage.
How about the Walmart .ca product - Vermont American made in the USA
https://www.walmart.ca/search/drill%20to%20socket%20adapter/N-105
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Vermont-American-38in-Drive-Socket-Adapter-15475/PRD2VMY7ZV9A0M0
$ 35. for one ? seriously ?
John T.
J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:48:36
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:00:18 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>wrote:
>>On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>> >rec.woodworking the following:
>>>> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>> >>>> John T.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>> >>>drill press. ;-)
>>>> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>> >lugnuts loose.
>>>>
>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>
>>>How long is your extension cord?
>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>
>No cord, battery.
So how long is the cord for the battery charger?
Either way, while an electrically powered impact driver is better
than none, it is also requires electricity to operate.
Reminds me of the old joke, they guy comes home and his wife
informs him that the power has been out all day, so they're going to
have to eat out.
"But we have a gas stove and refrigerator!" he says.
"Yes, but we only have the one _electric_ can opener."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> Now to find the space to put it...
>=20
>=20
> tschus
> pyotr
> --=20
> pyotr filipivich
> "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the=
lousy dystopian culture"
I like the bench top craftsmen I got at a garage sale for $30 but it is ol=
d . Dated it to about 1938 and almost takes two people to lift. I had to cl=
ean up the cast iron a bit but it works like new. He also through in a Cros=
s Slide Drill Press Vise and a large set of high speed bits. Looks like thi=
s .=20
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=3D15196
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 16:37:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] on Thu, 18 Apr 2019 20:46:43 -0400 typed in
>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>> "$25 is worth a gloat"
>>>>> Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
>>>>
>>>>WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>>>>
>>>>If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
>>>>would do?
>>>>
>>>>Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
>>>>you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell
>>>>someone about it?
>>>
>>> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>>>apparently, he's got money to spare.
>>
>>There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
>>and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
>>pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
>>money.
>
> Yep.
>
> And one guys "big savings" is another's pocket change.
In the grand scheme of things, yep, this is. I'll take it if I don't
have to go out of my way to get it but it's not going to change my
day, much less life. ...and, yes, we go out to restaurants for meals,
too.
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Thu, 4 Apr
2019 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> Now to find the space to put it...
>>
>>
>> tschus
>> pyotr
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>
>Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
Maybe so, but I have this one, I have it now. And I have it for
less than a trip to HF.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
> >> >rec.woodworking the following:
> >> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> >> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> >> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> >> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> >> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> >> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> >> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> >> >>>> John T.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
> >> >>>drill press. ;-)
> >> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
> >> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
> >> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> >> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
> >> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
> >> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
> >> >
> >> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
> >> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
> >> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
> >> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
> >> >lugnuts loose.
> >>
> >> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
> >> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
> >> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
> >
> >How long is your extension cord?
> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
He said electric.
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 22:02:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:50:57 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>>>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>>>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>>>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>>>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
>>
>> I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
>>saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
>>also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
>>most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
>>ones.
>
>They're also very good in smoke detectors. They have an advertised
>shelf life of 10-20 years (10, I can believe).
>
>Li-Ion rechargeables will support combustion (exothermic), and can be
>dangerous. LiFeS2 and LiFePO4 cells will not support combustion, so
>are far safer. As noted LiFeS2 are primary cells, where LiFePO4 are
>rechargeable (similar to but not compatible with Li-Ion).
>
>>Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
>
>LiFeS2 is a very good chemistry. Try it and report back!
I use Energizer Lithium AA, know that the smoke is toxic so I will
wait for the youtube.
On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>
>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>
>>> How long is your extension cord?
>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>
> He said electric.
>
Battery is electric.
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 23:40:40 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 22:02:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:50:57 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>>>>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>>>>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>>>>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>>>>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
>>>
>>> I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
>>>saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
>>>also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
>>>most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
>>>ones.
>>
>>They're also very good in smoke detectors. They have an advertised
>>shelf life of 10-20 years (10, I can believe).
>>
>>Li-Ion rechargeables will support combustion (exothermic), and can be
>>dangerous. LiFeS2 and LiFePO4 cells will not support combustion, so
>>are far safer. As noted LiFeS2 are primary cells, where LiFePO4 are
>>rechargeable (similar to but not compatible with Li-Ion).
>>
>>>Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
>>
>>LiFeS2 is a very good chemistry. Try it and report back!
>
> I use Energizer Lithium AA, know that the smoke is toxic so I will
>wait for the youtube.
The car is powered by a much bigger lithium ion battery so I think
that fear of the flashlight is misplaced.
On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
> > >> >rec.woodworking the following:
> > >> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> > >> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > >> >>>> >>
> > >> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> > >> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> > >> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> > >> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> > >> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> > >> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> > >> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> > >> >>>> John T.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
> > >> >>>drill press. ;-)
> > >> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
> > >> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
> > >> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> > >> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
> > >> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
> > >> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
> > >> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
> > >> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
> > >> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
> > >> >lugnuts loose.
> > >>
> > >> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
> > >> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
> > >> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
> > >
> > >How long is your extension cord?
> > There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
> > drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>
> He said electric.
Battery-powered, cordless tools are indeed "electric."
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:00:18 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>> >rec.woodworking the following:
>>> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>> >>>> John T.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>> >>>drill press. ;-)
>>> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>> >
>>> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>> >lugnuts loose.
>>>
>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>
>>How long is your extension cord?
> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
No cord, battery.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>> >rec.woodworking the following:
>> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>> >>>> John T.
>> >>>
>> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>> >>>drill press. ;-)
>> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>> >
>> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>> >lugnuts loose.
>>
>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>
>How long is your extension cord?
There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:50:57 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
>
> I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
>saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
>also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
>most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
>ones.
They're also very good in smoke detectors. They have an advertised
shelf life of 10-20 years (10, I can believe).
Li-Ion rechargeables will support combustion (exothermic), and can be
dangerous. LiFeS2 and LiFePO4 cells will not support combustion, so
are far safer. As noted LiFeS2 are primary cells, where LiFePO4 are
rechargeable (similar to but not compatible with Li-Ion).
>Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
LiFeS2 is a very good chemistry. Try it and report back!
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
> > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> > Now to find the space to put it...
> >
> >
> > tschus
> > pyotr
> > --
> > pyotr filipivich
> > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>
> Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>
> https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
$50 price.
pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
[email protected] on Sat, 20 Apr 2019 22:36:36 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:58:42 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] on Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:41:29 -0400 typed in
>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>>>>>>apparently, he's got money to spare.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
>>>>>and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
>>>>>pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
>>>>>money.
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>> And one guys "big savings" is another's pocket change.
>>>
>>>In the grand scheme of things, yep, this is. I'll take it if I don't
>>>have to go out of my way to get it but it's not going to change my
>>>day, much less life. ...and, yes, we go out to restaurants for meals,
>>>too.
>>
>> Some times ... it is easier to stop while we're out, than to wait.
>
>When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.
I was bored.
Still am.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
> >rec.woodworking the following:
> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> >>>> John T.
> >>>
> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
> >>>drill press. ;-)
> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
> >>
> >>
> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
> >
> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
> >lugnuts loose.
>
> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
How long is your extension cord?
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 09:22:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sun, 07 Apr 2019 11:49:27
>-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:09:17 -0400 typed in
>>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>
>>>>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>>>>batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>>>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>>>>
>>>>A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
>>>>batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
>>>>car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
>>>>in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
>>>>as well.
>>>
>>> And eventually, even the finest batteries, will lose their charge.
>>>Even the Startrek Phaser batteries lose charge, even when not being
>>>used. It might take an extremely long time, but still, part of the
>>>drill before holstering it, is to check the level of the charge.
>>
>>LiFeS2 batteries are not rechargeable so why would anybody use them in
>>tools? As for flashlights, the one I keep in the car also has a
>>lithium ion battery.
>
> And you never have to concern yourself with said battery might not
>being charged when you need it? Cool.
A couple of times a year I charge it as part of normal car
maintenance. I also have a flashlight on on my keyring that gives 100
lumens for about 2 hours. And there's an emergency starting battery
about the size of a brick and half as thick that has a light on it.
> Although I admit, with LEDs and rare earth batteries, even when
>the batteries are weak, there is still _some_ light. Not much,
>perhaps, but ..
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
ones.
Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 21:41:57 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>
>
>Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> John T.
If doing that even the cheapadapter won't be stressed.
[email protected] writes:
>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:50:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Thu, 4 Apr
>>2019 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>>>> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>>>> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>>>> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>>>> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>>>> Now to find the space to put it...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65.
>>>So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think.
>>>And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40
>>>every other week in their sale flyer.
>>
>>Maybe so, but I have this one, I have it now. And I have it for
>>less than a trip to HF.
>>
>
>I tried my new Princess Auto drill-to-socket adaptor yesterday
>when changing my car wheels over to summer ...
>
>https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3-pc-socket-driver-adapter-set/A-p8636326e
>
>My lowest expectations were realized within the first minute ..
>they will be going into the garbage.
>
>How about the Walmart .ca product - Vermont American made in the USA
>
>https://www.walmart.ca/search/drill%20to%20socket%20adapter/N-105
>
>https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Vermont-American-38in-Drive-Socket-Adapter-15475/PRD2VMY7ZV9A0M0
>
> $ 35. for one ? seriously ?
>
> John T.
"Sold & shipped by Unbeatablesale."
Just like amazon, walmart allows external vendors (Unbeatablesale) who look for suckers,
just like people flogging HF stuff on ebay.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> >
>
> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> John T.
I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
drill press. ;-)
P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>
>>> He said electric.
>>>
>>
>>Battery is electric.
>
> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>
> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>batteries.
Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
On Mon, 08 Apr 2019 22:02:07 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2019 22:31:33 -0400, J. Clarke
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 23:40:40 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 22:02:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:50:57 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>>>>>>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>>>>>>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>>>>>>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>>>>>>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
>>>>>saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
>>>>>also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
>>>>>most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
>>>>>ones.
>>>>
>>>>They're also very good in smoke detectors. They have an advertised
>>>>shelf life of 10-20 years (10, I can believe).
>>>>
>>>>Li-Ion rechargeables will support combustion (exothermic), and can be
>>>>dangerous. LiFeS2 and LiFePO4 cells will not support combustion, so
>>>>are far safer. As noted LiFeS2 are primary cells, where LiFePO4 are
>>>>rechargeable (similar to but not compatible with Li-Ion).
>>>>
>>>>>Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
>>>>
>>>>LiFeS2 is a very good chemistry. Try it and report back!
>>>
>>> I use Energizer Lithium AA, know that the smoke is toxic so I will
>>>wait for the youtube.
>>
>>The car is powered by a much bigger lithium ion battery so I think
>>that fear of the flashlight is misplaced.
>
>From left field a tangent emerges.
>
>Lithium battery fires happen quite a bit, a low percentage per unit
>but not a good thing when it is yours.
True but the specific chemistry does matter.
>But I have two Ego yard tools and batteries so I must be a risk taker.
I've lost count of my tool batteries. It seems that they multiply in
the drawer.
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>
>>> He said electric.
>>>
>>
>>Battery is electric.
>
> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>
> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>batteries.
If it's Nicad youcan make book on itbeing dead. If it's lithium the
chances are excellent that it's held a charge.
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>> >
>>>
>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>> John T.
>>
>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>drill press. ;-)
>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>
>
> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>on the torque wrench .. :-)
Using a torque wrench to break nuts loose is like using a micrometer
as a substitute for a Crescent wrench. A torque wrench is a measuring
instrument--using it to apply brute force is likely to impair its
accuracy.
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:13:31 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 6:25:04 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >=20
> > WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
> >=20
> > If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, wha=
t
> > would do?=20
> >=20
> > Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or wo=
uld
> > you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell=
=20
> > someone about it?
>=20
> HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!! Yesterday I bought a gallon of milk (the name brand=
milk!) at my grocery store for $1.98!!!!!!!!!! Whole lot less than the no=
rmal $3.19 regular price. Not quite the same percentage sale as the drill =
press. But I'm bragging about it.
>=20
> Now most folks would not brag about this great sale that I got. But most=
folks would not bother bragging about buying a used cheap Chinese drill pr=
ess at less than the normal brand new retail price for a cheap Chinese dril=
l press. It ain't worth a brag.
Not to you, but obviously to some, including pyotr.
Good for you, pyotr. Nice score. (russell's probably just jealous. Shhhh..=
.
I think he's listening.)
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold th=
e
> > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> > > Now to find the space to put it...
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > tschus
> > > pyotr
> > > --=20
> > > pyotr filipivich
> > > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was=
the lousy dystopian culture"
> >=20
> > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you=
got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the=
same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
> >=20
> > https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
>=20
> I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
> $50 price.
>=20
> pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is=
=20
> 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
>=20
> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
"$25 is worth a gloat"
Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. May=
be in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a glo=
at. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal f=
or a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any =
of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or d=
own. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
[email protected] on Thu, 18 Apr 2019 20:46:43 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>>>> "$25 is worth a gloat"
>>>> Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
>>>
>>>WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>>>
>>>If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
>>>would do?
>>>
>>>Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
>>>you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell
>>>someone about it?
>>
>> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>>apparently, he's got money to spare.
>
>There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
>and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
>pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
>money.
Yep.
And one guys "big savings" is another's pocket change.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
Bob La Londe <[email protected]> on Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:53:34 -0700 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>On 4/4/2019 12:21 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >
> > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
> > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> > Now to find the space to put it...
> >
> >
> > tschus
> > pyotr
> >
>
>Nice. I am always on the lookout for good deals small drill presses. I
>have 4 drill presses now and a mill drill. Eventually I'd like to have
>6 of the little 10 speeds on a round table in my shop for some
>repetitive operations I do drilling pinning drilling and tapping.
>Unfortunately the 5 speeds typically do not have a Morse taper quill so
>my scores are further in between.
>
>Still, if you need a drill press and don't have one that's a good deal.
That was my thinking. It might not be top of the line, but it
works and I now have one.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:57:05 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
> >>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
> >>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
> >>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
> >>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
> >>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
> >>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
> >>> John T.
> >>
> >>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
> >>drill press. ;-)
> >>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
> >>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
> >>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
> >
> >
> > ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> > just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
> >I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
> >on the torque wrench .. :-)
>
> Using a torque wrench to break nuts loose is like using a micrometer
> as a substitute for a Crescent wrench. A torque wrench is a measuring
> instrument--using it to apply brute force is likely to impair its
> accuracy.
While I was the first to mention that using a torque wrench to loosen a
lug nut is probably not the best choice of tool, your reasoning wasn't
why. As long as the "brute force" applied is within the specs of the
tool, you aren't going to hurt it.
In other words, a torque wrench set to 100 ft-lbs isn't going to be
harmed by loosening a nut torqued to 80. The "brute force" required to
loosen the 80 ft-lb nut is less than the "controlled force" you'd use
to tighten a 100 ft-lb nut. The wrench wouldn't even click.
That said, I still wouldn't use a torque wrench if another choice was
available. Why put more wear and tear on the relatively more expensive
tool when a cheap breaker bar will suffice?
>>
>Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>
Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
then torque them tight. lickety-split.
... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
John T.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
wrote:
>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>> > >> >rec.woodworking the following:
>> > >> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> > >> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> > >> >>>> >>
>> > >> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>> > >> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>> > >> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>> > >> >>>> >
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>> > >> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>> > >> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>> > >> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>> > >> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>> > >> >>>> John T.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>> > >> >>>drill press. ;-)
>> > >> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>> > >> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>> > >> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>> > >> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>> > >> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>> > >> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>> > >> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>> > >> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>> > >> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>> > >> >lugnuts loose.
>> > >>
>> > >> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>> > >> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>> > >> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>> > >
>> > >How long is your extension cord?
>> > There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>> > drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>
>> He said electric.
>
>Battery-powered, cordless tools are indeed "electric."
And a decent inverter can run a corded electric too. - off the car
battery
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>
>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>
>> He said electric.
>>
>
>Battery is electric.
And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
batteries.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Mon, 08 Apr 2019 22:31:33 -0400, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 23:40:40 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 22:02:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:50:57 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:34:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
>>>>>use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
>>>>>is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
>>>>>sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
>>>>>expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
>>>>
>>>> I use them in my camera, keyboard and mouse. Have not tried it but
>>>>saw a set of lithuim batteries burn and causing the other batteries to
>>>>also burn. Those I believe were rechargables though, but I believe
>>>>most reputable manufacturers have a burn in test to eliminate bad
>>>>ones.
>>>
>>>They're also very good in smoke detectors. They have an advertised
>>>shelf life of 10-20 years (10, I can believe).
>>>
>>>Li-Ion rechargeables will support combustion (exothermic), and can be
>>>dangerous. LiFeS2 and LiFePO4 cells will not support combustion, so
>>>are far safer. As noted LiFeS2 are primary cells, where LiFePO4 are
>>>rechargeable (similar to but not compatible with Li-Ion).
>>>
>>>>Guess I could crimp one and wait and see up wind.
>>>
>>>LiFeS2 is a very good chemistry. Try it and report back!
>>
>> I use Energizer Lithium AA, know that the smoke is toxic so I will
>>wait for the youtube.
>
>The car is powered by a much bigger lithium ion battery so I think
>that fear of the flashlight is misplaced.
From left field a tangent emerges.
Lithium battery fires happen quite a bit, a low percentage per unit
but not a good thing when it is yours.
But I have two Ego yard tools and batteries so I must be a risk taker.
Bob La Londe <[email protected]> on Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:53:34 -0700 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>Regarding your "flange". Is that a blade spacer with a wide flat that
>sits up against the blade? If you have a lathe you can easily make one.
I may have access to one.
OTOH, with a drill press, I can "mill" one.
> Aluminum will work fine. It does not have to be made of steel. I
>have made blade adapters for my big radial arm saw (which I rarely use
>(LOL)) so I can use different blades on it. All are made of aluminum.
>If they fit nicely and are clamped down firmly they should outlast me.
>If its the diamond key drive its can be made on a mill with a rotary
>table or with some creative clamping, but if I recall they diamond piece
>is usually part of the saw output shaft. Hmm... I'm going to have to go
>look now.
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>> >
>>
>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>> John T.
>
>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>drill press. ;-)
>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
on the torque wrench .. :-)
John T.
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:47:30
>-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>>>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>>>
>>>>> He said electric.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Battery is electric.
>>>
>>> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>>>
>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>batteries.
>>
>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>
> So you keep your impact wrench in your car? Along with a fast
>charger? And it takes up less space than the lug wrench? Good for
>you.
Don't need the charger in the car, just sayin'. And yes, it takes up
less space than the cross-bar lug wrench.
> No, seriously, if it works for you, and you can afford to have one
>in your car and one in the hop, go for it.
Why would I need two? If I need it in the shop, I go get it out of
the car.
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:47:30 -0400, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>>
>>>> He said electric.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Battery is electric.
>>
>> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>>
>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>batteries.
>
>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
as well.
[email protected] on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:09:17 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>
>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>batteries.
>>
>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>
>A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
>batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
>car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
>in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
>as well.
And eventually, even the finest batteries, will lose their charge.
Even the Startrek Phaser batteries lose charge, even when not being
used. It might take an extremely long time, but still, part of the
drill before holstering it, is to check the level of the charge.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:47:30
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>>
>>>> He said electric.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Battery is electric.
>>
>> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>>
>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>batteries.
>
>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
So you keep your impact wrench in your car? Along with a fast
charger? And it takes up less space than the lug wrench? Good for
you.
No, seriously, if it works for you, and you can afford to have one
in your car and one in the hop, go for it.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Fri, 5 Apr
2019 13:14:50 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> > > Now to find the space to put it...
>> > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>> >
>> I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
>> $50 price.
>>
>> pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
>> 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
>>
>> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>
>"$25 is worth a gloat"
>Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries.
>Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and
>worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas.
>Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at
>Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE
>PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay
>attention to such immaterial changes.
I'm so glad to hear that you have an unlimited budget, and can
plunk down MSRP for everything which takes your fancy. Sheeesh,
eating out at Applebees, just like the rich folk.
But as for me: a drill press for less than $50 is a good deal.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Fri, 5 Apr 2019 06:38:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> > Now to find the space to put it...
>> >
>> >
>> > tschus
>> > pyotr
>> > --
>> > pyotr filipivich
>> > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>>
>> Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>>
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
>
>I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
>$50 price.
>
>pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
>50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
And then deduct 20% for Senior Wednesday (then add back 10% for
sales tax).
>
>Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
And there it is. If I could afford the cash and space, I'd have a
Cincinnati 8 x 20 Radial Drill _and_ the CNC version!
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 12:48:51 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:50:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Thu, 4 Apr
>>2019 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>>>> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>>>> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>>>> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>>>> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>>>> Now to find the space to put it...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65.
>>>So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think.
>>>And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40
>>>every other week in their sale flyer.
>>
>>Maybe so, but I have this one, I have it now. And I have it for
>>less than a trip to HF.
>>
>
>I tried my new Princess Auto drill-to-socket adaptor yesterday
>when changing my car wheels over to summer ...
>
>https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3-pc-socket-driver-adapter-set/A-p8636326e
>
>My lowest expectations were realized within the first minute ..
>they will be going into the garbage.
>
>How about the Walmart .ca product - Vermont American made in the USA
>
>https://www.walmart.ca/search/drill%20to%20socket%20adapter/N-105
>
>https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Vermont-American-38in-Drive-Socket-Adapter-15475/PRD2VMY7ZV9A0M0
>
> $ 35. for one ? seriously ?
>
> John T.
>
Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
1/2 inch drive!!!!!
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 15:25:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>> >> >rec.woodworking the following:
>> >> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> >> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>> >> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>> >> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>> >> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>> >> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>> >> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>> >> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>> >> >>>> John T.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>> >> >>>drill press. ;-)
>> >> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>> >> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>> >> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>> >> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>> >> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>> >> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>> >> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>> >> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>> >> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>> >> >lugnuts loose.
>> >>
>> >> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>> >> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>> >> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>> >
>> >How long is your extension cord?
>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>
>He said electric.
A battery IS electric. Sure isn'r air or gas.
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:48:36
>-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:00:18 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>> >[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>> >rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>> >>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>> >>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>> >>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>> >>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>> >>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>> >>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>> >>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>> >>>> John T.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>> >>>drill press. ;-)
>>>>> >>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>> >>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>> >>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>> >> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>> >>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>> >>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>> >like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>> > Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>> >have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>> >lugnuts loose.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>
>>>>How long is your extension cord?
>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>
>>No cord, battery.
>
> So how long is the cord for the battery charger?
I can charge ANY of my cordless tools off my 1996 Ranger - or my 2015
Kia Sorento.
>
> Either way, while an electrically powered impact driver is better
>than none, it is also requires electricity to operate.
>
> Reminds me of the old joke, they guy comes home and his wife
>informs him that the power has been out all day, so they're going to
>have to eat out.
> "But we have a gas stove and refrigerator!" he says.
> "Yes, but we only have the one _electric_ can opener."
[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>> >
>>>
>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>> John T.
>>
>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>drill press. ;-)
>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>
>
> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>on the torque wrench .. :-)
And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
lugnuts loose.
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On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 11:47:39 -0400, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:47:30
>>-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:01:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Sat, 6 Apr 2019 17:48:16 -0500 typed
>>>>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>On 4/6/2019 5:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 6:00:30 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>>>>>>>>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>>>>>>>>> drill press. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>>>>>>>>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>>>>>>>>> on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>>>>>>>>> like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>>>>>>>>>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>>>>>>>>> have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>>>>>>>>> lugnuts loose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>>>>>>>>> loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>>>>>>>>> four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How long is your extension cord?
>>>>>>> There are some very capable (and exoensive) battery powered 1/2 inch
>>>>>>> drive impacts (as well as some very cheasy and useless 12 volt ones)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He said electric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Battery is electric.
>>>>
>>>> And that battery, is it currently at full charge?
>>>>
>>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>>batteries.
>>>
>>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>>
>> So you keep your impact wrench in your car? Along with a fast
>>charger? And it takes up less space than the lug wrench? Good for
>>you.
>
>Don't need the charger in the car, just sayin'. And yes, it takes up
>less space than the cross-bar lug wrench.
A folding crassbar wrench takes less space, but what a gawdawfull
tool it is to use!!!!
>
>> No, seriously, if it works for you, and you can afford to have one
>>in your car and one in the hop, go for it.
>
>Why would I need two? If I need it in the shop, I go get it out of
>the car.
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:09:17 -0400 typed in
>rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>>batteries.
>>>
>>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>>
>>A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
>>batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
>>car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
>>in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
>>as well.
>
> And eventually, even the finest batteries, will lose their charge.
>Even the Startrek Phaser batteries lose charge, even when not being
>used. It might take an extremely long time, but still, part of the
>drill before holstering it, is to check the level of the charge.
LiFeS2 batteries are not rechargeable so why would anybody use them in
tools? As for flashlights, the one I keep in the car also has a
lithium ion battery.
On 4/4/2019 12:21 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
> Now to find the space to put it...
>
>
> tschus
> pyotr
>
Nice. I am always on the lookout for good deals small drill presses. I
have 4 drill presses now and a mill drill. Eventually I'd like to have
6 of the little 10 speeds on a round table in my shop for some
repetitive operations I do drilling pinning drilling and tapping.
Unfortunately the 5 speeds typically do not have a Morse taper quill so
my scores are further in between.
Still, if you need a drill press and don't have one that's a good deal.
Regarding your "flange". Is that a blade spacer with a wide flat that
sits up against the blade? If you have a lathe you can easily make one.
Aluminum will work fine. It does not have to be made of steel. I
have made blade adapters for my big radial arm saw (which I rarely use
(LOL)) so I can use different blades on it. All are made of aluminum.
If they fit nicely and are clamped down firmly they should outlast me.
If its the diamond key drive its can be made on a mill with a rotary
table or with some creative clamping, but if I recall they diamond piece
is usually part of the saw output shaft. Hmm... I'm going to have to go
look now.
On 4/8/2019 2:53 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Bob La Londe <[email protected]> on Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:53:34 -0700 typed
> in rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>> Regarding your "flange". Is that a blade spacer with a wide flat that
>> sits up against the blade? If you have a lathe you can easily make one.
>
> I may have access to one.
>
> OTOH, with a drill press, I can "mill" one.
That pretty optimistic for any drill press much less a low price one,
but if you can then more power to you.
>> Aluminum will work fine. It does not have to be made of steel. I
>> have made blade adapters for my big radial arm saw (which I rarely use
>> (LOL)) so I can use different blades on it. All are made of aluminum.
>> If they fit nicely and are clamped down firmly they should outlast me.
>> If its the diamond key drive its can be made on a mill with a rotary
>> table or with some creative clamping, but if I recall they diamond piece
>> is usually part of the saw output shaft. Hmm... I'm going to have to go
>> look now.
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> on Fri, 5 Apr
2019 18:13:28 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 6:25:04 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>> WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>>
>> If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
>> would do?
>>
>> Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
>> you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell
>> someone about it?
>
>HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!!!! Yesterday I bought a gallon of milk (the name brand milk!) at my grocery store for $1.98!!!!!!!!!! Whole lot less than the normal $3.19 regular price. Not quite the same percentage sale as the drill press. But I'm bragging about it.
Good for you.
You've recognized that you have just save some money. True, $1.21
isn't a lot, but it adds up.
>
>Now most folks would not brag about this great sale that I got. But most folks would not bother bragging about buying a used cheap Chinese drill press at less than the normal brand new retail price for a cheap Chinese drill press. It ain't worth a brag.
Like I said: glad to see that you always buy top of the line,
brand new, at manufacturers suggested retail price. Someone has to
pay retail so the stores can stay open.
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J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:45:39
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>>> John T.
>>>>
>>>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>>drill press. ;-)
>>>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>>
>>>
>>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>>
>> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>>like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
>> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>>have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>>lugnuts loose.
>
>You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
>loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
>four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
Yep.
But that electric impact wrench, is it battery powered, or
"corded". And how do you keep the batteries charged?
One less thing to worry about with mechanical, non-electronic
tools. It is a trade off.
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 3:48:02 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>> >On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>=20
>> >> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not ev=
>en
>> >> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>> >
>> >
>> >"$25 is worth a gloat"
>> >Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. =
>May=3D
>> >be in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a =
>glo=3D
>> >at. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a mea=
>l f=3D
>> >or a family of four at McDonalds.=20
>>=20
>> Have you been to McDonalds lately? Any one meal now costs over USD 10.0=
>0.
>
>When I go to McDonalds I always get two or three McChicken sandwiches and a=
> soda. All are $1 each. So $3-4 plus tax.
A filet-o-fish meal (sandwich, fries, drink, not supersized) costs $10.50
as per my neighbor who was shocked that a $10 bill didn't cover it
(I personally prefer an order of Pad Thai Gee or House Chow Fun
myself if I have to eat fast food; although generally I patronize the
Fish Market).
[email protected] on Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:41:29 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>
>>>>
>>>> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>>>>apparently, he's got money to spare.
>>>
>>>There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
>>>and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
>>>pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
>>>money.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> And one guys "big savings" is another's pocket change.
>
>In the grand scheme of things, yep, this is. I'll take it if I don't
>have to go out of my way to get it but it's not going to change my
>day, much less life. ...and, yes, we go out to restaurants for meals,
>too.
Some times ... it is easier to stop while we're out, than to wait.
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:14:50 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> > > Now to find the space to put it...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > tschus
>> > > pyotr
>> > > --
>> > > pyotr filipivich
>> > > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>> >
>> > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>> >
>> > https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
>>
>> I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
>> $50 price.
>>
>> pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
>> 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
>>
>> Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>> free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>
>
>"$25 is worth a gloat"
>Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
Not everybody on this list has a quarter million dollars in any of
several stock investments. So I guess you are right when yousay you
and the rest of us must live in different worlds. For a great may
americans saving $25 is a worthy achievement.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 21:59:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark H <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> Now to find the space to put it...
>>
>>
>> tschus
>> pyotr
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>
>I like the bench top craftsmen I got at a garage sale for $30 but it is old . Dated it to about 1938 and almost takes two people to lift. I had to clean up the cast iron a bit but it works like new. He also through in a Cross Slide Drill Press Vise and a large set of high speed bits. Looks like this .
>http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=15196
Nice drill - and motors were EXPENSIVE so the quick-mount "shop
motor" fit many different tools - and you can only use one at a time
anyway.
On Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:56:20 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] on Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:38:06 -0400 typed in
>rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:40:48 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >Anyone who expects the 1/4" hex drive "impact" to remove wheel nuts is
>>>> >a "maroon" There is a REASON the "impact guns" used at a garage are
>>>> >1/2 inch drive!!!!!
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Crack the wheel nuts loose with the big long torque wrench -
>>>> then spin them off quickly with the drill-driver.
>>>> Spin them on quickly with the drill driver set to "loose-ish" -
>>>> then torque them tight. lickety-split.
>>>> ... not sure where your vivid imagination was off to ? :-)
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>>I'm just trying to figure out what this has to do with pyotr's $25
>>>drill press. ;-)
>>>P.S. Crack the wheel nuts loose with a big long *breaker bar*,
>>>not a torque wrench. Why subject a relatively expensive (compared
>>>to a breaker bar) precision instrument to the extra stress?
>>
>>
>> ... not much to do with the Thrift Store drill press -
>> just a comment on the " quality " of junk tools.
>>I'll take my chances with the 78 ft-lbs of strain
>>on the torque wrench .. :-)
>
> And that is why I still have the four point lug wrench (the kind
>like a big X) I got for my first car (63 Ford Fairlane).
> Because sure as the Lord made sweet potatoes, I'm not going to
>have any impact tool handy when I get a flat and need to break those
>lugnuts loose.
You know, my electric impact wrench, which will either break lugnuts
loose or failing that break the stud, takes up less space than the
four-point lug wrench. Costs a lot more too, but that's a detail.
On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 11:49:27 -0400, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:09:17 -0400 typed in
>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>
>>>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>>>batteries.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>>>
>>>A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
>>>batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
>>>car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
>>>in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
>>>as well.
>>
>> And eventually, even the finest batteries, will lose their charge.
>>Even the Startrek Phaser batteries lose charge, even when not being
>>used. It might take an extremely long time, but still, part of the
>>drill before holstering it, is to check the level of the charge.
>
>LiFeS2 batteries are not rechargeable so why would anybody use them in
>tools? As for flashlights, the one I keep in the car also has a
>lithium ion battery.
Laser levels are tools, as are DVMs and all sorts of other toys we all
use. Even flashlights are tools. The advantage of LiFeS2 batteries
is that they're the same 1.5V/cell as Alkaline and come in the same
sizes so they're completely interchangeable with Alkalines. More
expensive but they're interchangeable. They don't leak, either.
J. Clarke <[email protected]> on Sun, 07 Apr 2019 11:49:27
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sun, 07 Apr 2019 08:39:07 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] on Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:09:17 -0400 typed in
>>rec.woodworking the following:
>>>
>>>>> Remember the old definition of "Flashlight"? A tube for the
>>>>>storing of dead batteries." In the old days they were Aluminum tubes
>>>>>and alkaline batteries, but they're still storage devices for dead
>>>>>batteries.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, Pyotr, it's charged. It's lithium ion, it takes a very long time
>>>>for it to discharge itself. In any case the car has a 110v outlet.
>>>
>>>A car is a horrible place to store batteries, though. That said, Li
>>>batteries aren't as bad as others. If you keep a flashlight in the
>>>car, it should have LiFeS2 batteries (e.g. Energizer Ultimate Lithium)
>>>in it, rather than Alkaline. They should be used in any decent tools,
>>>as well.
>>
>> And eventually, even the finest batteries, will lose their charge.
>>Even the Startrek Phaser batteries lose charge, even when not being
>>used. It might take an extremely long time, but still, part of the
>>drill before holstering it, is to check the level of the charge.
>
>LiFeS2 batteries are not rechargeable so why would anybody use them in
>tools? As for flashlights, the one I keep in the car also has a
>lithium ion battery.
And you never have to concern yourself with said battery might not
being charged when you need it? Cool.
Although I admit, with LEDs and rare earth batteries, even when
the batteries are weak, there is still _some_ light. Not much,
perhaps, but ..
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DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Fri, 5 Apr 2019 16:25:01 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>> > > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>> > > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>> > > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>> > > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>> > > > Now to find the space to put it...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > tschus
>> > > > pyotr
>> > > > --
>> > > > pyotr filipivich
>> > > > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>> > >
>> > > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>> > >
>> > > https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
>> >
>> > I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
>> > $50 price.
>> >
>> > pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
>> > 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
>> >
>> > Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>> > free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>>
>>
>> "$25 is worth a gloat"
>> Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
>
>WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>
>If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
>would do?
>
>Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
>you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell
>someone about it?
Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
apparently, he's got money to spare.
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:09:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Fri, 5 Apr 2019 16:25:01 -0700
>(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 8:38:49 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> > On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:43:38 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:19:51 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> > > > Not always the greatest of deals (witness my Gloat on a Craftsman
>>> > > > Circular Saw which is missing the no longer made "flange" to hold the
>>> > > > blade in place.), but this one is working out. Five speed bench top
>>> > > > drill press, made by the Taiwanese Machine Tool and Noodle works.
>>> > > > Seems solid, runs, drills holes. $24.99 less a senior discount.
>>> > > > Now to find the space to put it...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > tschus
>>> > > > pyotr
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > pyotr filipivich
>>> > > > "I made it to 2018 and all I got from the SciFi Books of my youth was the lousy dystopian culture"
>>> > >
>>> > > Harbor Freight has a similar drill press for $65. So I don't think you got quite as great a deal as you might think. And they probably offer the same drill press for $50 or $40 every other week in their sale flyer.
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-5-speed-bench-drill-press-62520.html
>>> >
>>> > I doubt HF ever discounts that machine down to $40, so let's go with your
>>> > $50 price.
>>> >
>>> > pyotr paid 50% of that number. Aside from not getting a warranty, how is
>>> > 50% off of an already 22% discounted price not a "good deal"?
>>> >
>>> > Obviously, if the unit is a POS, then no price is a good deal - not even
>>> > free - but if it works for his needs, $25 is worth a gloat.
>>>
>>>
>>> "$25 is worth a gloat"
>>> Apparently you and me live in different worlds, or at least countries. Maybe in North Korea, or Somali, or Ethiopia, $25 is a fortune and worth a gloat. In the USA where I live, $25 is about ten gallons of gas. Or a meal for a family of four at McDonalds. Or a meal for two at Applebees. If any of my stock investments change price by ONE PENNY, its at least $25 up or down. I don't gloat or even pay attention to such immaterial changes.
>>
>>WTF? You are aware that context matters, don't you?
>>
>>If you saw a $65 (or even a $50) item and you could buy it for $25, what
>>would do?
>>
>>Would you give the seller the full price 'cuz $25 don't mean jack or would
>>you pay the $25 and feel good about getting a deal? Might you even tell
>>someone about it?
>
> Apparenlty he pays MSRP, and eats out all the time. Cause
>apparently, he's got money to spare.
There is a big difference between finding a good price or eating out
and bragging about how you saved what amounts to little more than
pocket change. The point is the gloat, not saving the small amount of
money.