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Bill Waller

03/08/2006 9:08 AM

Polyurethane, mix and match

I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large project. I
do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi gloss final coat.

The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand: can I
use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?

The reason for the product choices is that the Satin Poly came as a free
unopened gallon with the house and I have the ACE product on the shelf.
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If there is no wind, row.
--Latin proverb
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Bill Waller
New Eagle, PA

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"RicodJour"

in reply to Bill Waller on 03/08/2006 9:08 AM

03/08/2006 7:20 AM

Bill Waller wrote:
> I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large project. I
> do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi gloss final coat.

It's doubtful that you'll get an even semigloss sheen with only one
coat. It's far easier to tone down the sheen than to bump it up. Many
refinishers use the semigloss for the initial coats and then use a
satin for the final coat.

> The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand: can I
> use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?

This I do not know. I think it's dependent on a lot of factors, and
one of which could torpedo your efforts.

> The reason for the product choices is that the Satin Poly came as a free
> unopened gallon with the house and I have the ACE product on the shelf.

Materials are cheap compared to your labor and the chance that you'll
be unhappy with the result. Since I don't have any direct experience
with water poly over oil poly, I'd buy a new can of oil-based and keep
the ACE as inventory.

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"bf"

in reply to Bill Waller on 03/08/2006 9:08 AM

03/08/2006 10:20 AM


Bill Waller wrote:
> I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large project. I
> do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi gloss final coat.
>
> The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand: can I
> use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?
>

Yes, you can use a water based poly over an oil based one (obviously
you need to scuff the coat that is already on before applying the next
coat of poly).

There was even an article in one of the woodworking mags recently
suggesting that you use a coat of oil based poly for the first coat,
and then water based for the rest.

I'm not sure if it will give you the glossy effect you want, but you
can apply water based over oil based.

RP

"R. Pierce Butler"

in reply to Bill Waller on 03/08/2006 9:08 AM

03/08/2006 1:34 PM

Bill Waller <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large
> project. I do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi
> gloss final coat.
>
> The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand:
> can I use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?
>
> The reason for the product choices is that the Satin Poly came as a free
> unopened gallon with the house and I have the ACE product on the shelf.
> ____________________
> If there is no wind, row.
> --Latin proverb
> ____________________
> Bill Waller
> New Eagle, PA
>
> [email protected]
>

What's wrong with using Sherwin Williams semi-gloss? I have found that
Sherwin Williams products give a superior finish.

DH

Dave Hall

in reply to Bill Waller on 03/08/2006 9:08 AM

03/08/2006 1:13 PM

Since satin poly is just gloss poly with additives that get mixed in
when you stir, my suggestion would be to let the satin poly sit for a
while and let most of the additives settle out then put it on. You
will get a glossy top coat that may or may not need rubbed out a
little to get a semi-gloss appearance. In any case, you probably won't
ever get a true semi-gloss appearance as the underlying coat is and
will always be satin. I do not pretend to know if you can put water
based poly on top of Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:46:30 -0400, Bill Waller
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:34:30 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Bill Waller <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large
>>> project. I do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi
>>> gloss final coat.
>>>
>>> The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand:
>>> can I use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?
>>>
>>> The reason for the product choices is that the Satin Poly came as a free
>>> unopened gallon with the house and I have the ACE product on the shelf.
>>>
>>
>>What's wrong with using Sherwin Williams semi-gloss? I have found that
>>Sherwin Williams products give a superior finish.
>
>There is nothing wrong with the Sherwin Williams product, except that it is
>Satin and I need a glossier finish.

BW

Bill Waller

in reply to Bill Waller on 03/08/2006 9:08 AM

03/08/2006 9:46 AM

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:34:30 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Bill Waller <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I have used Sherwin Williams oil based Satin Polyurethane on a large
>> project. I do not like the appearance and want to move up to a semi
>> gloss final coat.
>>
>> The question is: I have a quart of ACE water based Poly Finish on hand:
>> can I use this product over the Sherwin Williams oil base product?
>>
>> The reason for the product choices is that the Satin Poly came as a free
>> unopened gallon with the house and I have the ACE product on the shelf.
>>
>
>What's wrong with using Sherwin Williams semi-gloss? I have found that
>Sherwin Williams products give a superior finish.

There is nothing wrong with the Sherwin Williams product, except that it is
Satin and I need a glossier finish.


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