On 11/18/2012 8:47 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
>> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>>
>> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
>> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of
>> work.
>> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour
>> grapes. "Will I didn't want it anyway."
>
> With a shelf-life of approximately 26 years, there's no reason Twinkies
> can't be baked in China and shipped on containerized merchant ship.
>
>
Why those things are so light you can fill up a 747 and liftoff weight
will be close to a dry weight ...:-)
>What are they going to do in the birthplace of the deep fried Twinkie
>(Seattle)? CW
==========================================
"The Texas State Fair had introduced the fried Twinkie to great
popular acclaim, and the notion spread to other state fairs across the
U.S., as well as some establishments that specialize in fried
foods.[13] Fried Twinkies are sold throughout the U.S. in fairs as
well as ball games, and in various restaurants." ...Wikipedia
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
> calories are becoming apparent.
>
Interestingly enough, I saw a remark made today by some kind of marketing
guy. He said that an iconic, empty calorie treat could be marketed very
well. They could offer limited runs, different flavors, etc. Do the
nostalgia thing, with a few modern wrinkles. Depressingly, he is probably
correct.
Only a marketing guy would consider empty calories to be a good thing.
On 11/16/2012 8:08 PM, Meanie wrote:
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
>>>> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they
>>>> will re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for
>>>> employees.
>>>
>>> How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
>>> bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen
>>> this play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
>>
>> Well, the two largest investors in Hostess, venture capitalist firms run
>> by Democrats, are out some $200 million.
>>
> WHAT? No bailouts?
>
>
Not yet. There is a petition up on the White House petition web site to
nationalize the Twinkie industry:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/nationalize-twinkie-industry/cJz0ngJR
A couple more twinkie facts.
Originally they were a sponge cake filled with banana crème. They were
cooked in shortbread pans. It was an effort to use the pans year round.
Apparently the pans were used of a single event/holiday. But world war 2
happened and rationing was in effect. So they made a cheap knockoff and the
rest is history.
Also, some folks are now making up batches of "gourmet twinkies" to sell in
some local markets. Which raises the quest, what exactly is a "gourmet
twinkie"? And how much money will be charged for this "culinary" item.
(And who pays big bucks for a "gourmet twinkie"?)
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
>> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>>
>> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
>> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of
>> work.
>> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour
>> grapes. "Will I didn't want it anyway."
>
> With a shelf-life of approximately 26 years, there's no reason Twinkies
> can't be baked in China and shipped on containerized merchant ship.
One of the articles I read talked about how this was an old company that did
things the old way. The modern approach was to grow the market outside of
the US. They did little or no exporting. They also mentioned how the
products were chock full of preservatives. And that is exactly what their
competitors were doing. And they were shipping them both ways. Baking in
other countries and shipping them here. And baking them here and shipping
them overseas as a "premium" product.
Can you imagine a junk food item, full of chemicals, being promoted as an
exclusive "premium" product?
The other point made is that there is tremendous over capacity in the baking
industry. Not only are people eating less and less of this kind of food,
but they built up the capacity to ship overseas. I suppose their
competitors will do a little better now. But it is not a business I would
want to be in. I would think that the same pressures and problems that the
Hostess folks had would end up affecting every one else in the industry.
On 11/22/2012 10:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> On 11/17/2012 10:32 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:54:24 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
>>>>> strike.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, they are !
>>>>
>>>> "Bakers' union officials and their supporters say also that the demise of
>>>> Hostess Brands Inc., which failed to convince striking workers to return to
>>>> their jobs, is a warning sign for corporate investors seeking to squeeze
>>>> more profits out of the working class."
>>>>
>>>> http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/16/business/maines-striking-hostess-workers-say-companys-collapse-a-strong-message-of-union-resolve/?ref=videos
>>>>
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how they feel a few months from now.
>>> Philosophical wins can be very expensive. Who is going to pay for the
>>> food stamps and medial costs? Wait, I think I know!
>>>
>> First since junk food is a vital part of any shop or wood working area I
>> think it is a mistake to label this threat OT.
>>
>> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
>> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>>
>> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
>> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of work.
>>
>> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour grapes.
>> "Will I didn't want it anyway."
>
> The brand will probably get bought by the Chinese for cheap and the
> products will end up being made by Chinese non-union slave labor. If
> the unions want to do something good they should go try to unionize
> China.
>
>
>
I was shopping in a Super Wal-Mart today, happened to go down the bread
aisle, and spotted 3 different brands of what could only be called
"Twinkies"... different product name, different manufacturer, but the
pictures on the box looked just like the real thing. Same for the
cupcakes, Ding-dongs, etc. No, they weren't new products - they've been
there all along. I can't attest to their taste, but I'd bet they all
come pretty close to "Twinkies".
So what does that say about the Baker's union, and what does that say
about the buying public? Panic buying of something just because of the
brand name?
I did shop at a nearby Hostess Bakery Outlet the Friday they closed - I
wanted a loaf of bread, and rather than wander through any of three
larger grocery stores just to get a single loaf of bread, I stopped by
the Hostess store. Took me 45 minutes to get to the cash register, and
along the way, I'd picked up a few packages of a particular brand of
gravy mix not available anywhere else, a bottle of butter pecan syrup,
and a package of shortbread cookies to go along with that loaf of bread
- all at half price. No Twinkies in sight, and no interest on my part
in any of the cupcakes or the myriad of other baked goodies still on the
shelves.
Sigh...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>
> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of
> work.
> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour
> grapes. "Will I didn't want it anyway."
With a shelf-life of approximately 26 years, there's no reason Twinkies
can't be baked in China and shipped on containerized merchant ship.
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>
>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>
>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>
> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
> strike.
Actually, they are !
"Bakers' union officials and their supporters say also that the demise of
Hostess Brands Inc., which failed to convince striking workers to return to
their jobs, is a warning sign for corporate investors seeking to squeeze
more profits out of the working class."
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/16/business/maines-striking-hostess-workers-say-companys-collapse-a-strong-message-of-union-resolve/?ref=videos
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill wrote:
> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>
> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>
> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
Never fear, brand and trade mark rights will be sold
and production outsourced to union free China.
basilisk
--
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On 11/16/2012 6:17 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
>> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
>> calories are becoming apparent.
>>
> Interestingly enough, I saw a remark made today by some kind of
> marketing guy. He said that an iconic, empty calorie treat could be
> marketed very well. They could offer limited runs, different flavors,
> etc. Do the nostalgia thing, with a few modern wrinkles. Depressingly,
> he is probably correct.
>
> Only a marketing guy would consider empty calories to be a good thing.
Like putting caffeine in Cracker Jacks ...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/16/cracker-jacks-adding-coffee-caffeine/1709179/
Folks are so farking stupid and gullible these days that marketing works.
NPR had a call-in show yesterday for folks who had been caught
shoplifting ... to hear those folks who called in, and to think that
they are allowed/encouraged to vote, is all you need to know about the
societal end game being played out.
Basically, game over ...
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Bill wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>
>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>
>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>
>>
>> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
>> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they
>> will re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for
>> employees.
>
> How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
> bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen
> this play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
Well, the two largest investors in Hostess, venture capitalist firms run by
Democrats, are out some $200 million.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>
> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>
> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
strike.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 11/17/2012 10:32 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:54:24 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>
> >>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
> >>>
> >>> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
> >>> strike.
> >>
> >> Actually, they are !
> >>
> >> "Bakers' union officials and their supporters say also that the demise of
> >> Hostess Brands Inc., which failed to convince striking workers to return to
> >> their jobs, is a warning sign for corporate investors seeking to squeeze
> >> more profits out of the working class."
> >>
> >> http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/16/business/maines-striking-hostess-workers-say-companys-collapse-a-strong-message-of-union-resolve/?ref=videos
> >>
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how they feel a few months from now.
> > Philosophical wins can be very expensive. Who is going to pay for the
> > food stamps and medial costs? Wait, I think I know!
> >
> First since junk food is a vital part of any shop or wood working area I
> think it is a mistake to label this threat OT.
>
> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>
> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of work.
>
> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour grapes.
> "Will I didn't want it anyway."
The brand will probably get bought by the Chinese for cheap and the
products will end up being made by Chinese non-union slave labor. If
the unions want to do something good they should go try to unionize
China.
On 11/16/2012 9:39 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/16/2012 6:17 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
>>> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
>>> calories are becoming apparent.
>>>
>> Interestingly enough, I saw a remark made today by some kind of
>> marketing guy. He said that an iconic, empty calorie treat could be
>> marketed very well. They could offer limited runs, different flavors,
>> etc. Do the nostalgia thing, with a few modern wrinkles. Depressingly,
>> he is probably correct.
>>
>> Only a marketing guy would consider empty calories to be a good thing.
>
> Like putting caffeine in Cracker Jacks ...
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/16/cracker-jacks-adding-coffee-caffeine/1709179/
>
>
> Folks are so farking stupid and gullible these days that marketing works.
>
> NPR had a call-in show yesterday for folks who had been caught
> shoplifting ... to hear those folks who called in, and to think that
> they are allowed/encouraged to vote, is all you need to know about the
> societal end game being played out.
>
> Basically, game over ...
>
It's been game over for a while. A few years ago I thought it was
bizarre that parents were doing their kids homework for them so the kids
could play or do whatever. I realized at that point that the parents
were the problem, not totally the schools fault.
How about parents giving kids the money so that someone could take the
SAT's for them.
When the moral's are not taught from the parents, where would you learn
from?
Everyone wants an advantage.
On 11/16/2012 11:10 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>
>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>
>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>
> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
> strike.
>
>
I watched the news, even after losing his job, the guy was saying they
were trying to cut our salaries and pensions.
I have no pension.
My pay has been going down year by year for the last 12 years...
I am very happy to have a job right now, as much as I travel 2.5 hours
each way.
Yep... they tried to cut his salary... now he has none.
"tiredofspam" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 11/18/2012 8:47 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>> If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
>> represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
>>
>> I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
>> companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of
>> work.
>> It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour
>> grapes. "Will I didn't want it anyway."
>
> With a shelf-life of approximately 26 years, there's no reason Twinkies
> can't be baked in China and shipped on containerized merchant ship.
>
>
Why those things are so light you can fill up a 747 and liftoff weight
will be close to a dry weight ...:-)
=======================================================================================
They are made in Canada.
On 11/16/2012 2:53 PM, Bill wrote:
> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>
> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>
> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
calories are becoming apparent.
Besides, most kids no longer take their lunches to school. :)
We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
the habit.
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 11/16/2012 6:17 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
>>> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
>>> calories are becoming apparent.
>>>
>> Interestingly enough, I saw a remark made today by some kind of
>> marketing guy. He said that an iconic, empty calorie treat could be
>> marketed very well. They could offer limited runs, different
>> flavors, etc. Do the nostalgia thing, with a few modern wrinkles.
>> Depressingly, he is probably correct.
>>
>> Only a marketing guy would consider empty calories to be a good
>> thing.
>
> Like putting caffeine in Cracker Jacks ...
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/16/cracker-jacks-a
> dding-coffee-caffeine/1709179/
>
> Folks are so farking stupid and gullible these days that marketing
> works.
>
> NPR had a call-in show yesterday for folks who had been caught
> shoplifting ... to hear those folks who called in, and to think that
> they are allowed/encouraged to vote, is all you need to know about the
> societal end game being played out.
>
> Basically, game over ...
Some people (not you, Karl) simply don't understand what education is
supposed to do. Kill off teaching and/or the desire to be a teacher, and
kids won't learn (with a few exceptions). Then it is really game over.
I heard that Christie and Booker have brokered a new teacher contract in
Newark. I was more than half asleep this morning when I heard it, but
even the teachers' union was on board. Of course, Mark Zuckerberg's
money helped a lot.
When Christie, Booker, Randi Weinstein and others can get to an
agreement, Utopia has become reality, or I am dreaming. But, let's see
what my teacher kids have to say ...
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/bomc3s9>
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Han
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"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Swingman wrote:
> We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
> parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
> the habit.
>
We were "allowed them", my mom just wouldn't buy them...
I think there is a "run" going on right now to get the last boxes.
How much will the "World's Last Twinkie" will go for on ebay? :)
===========================================================================
What are they going to do in the birthplace of the deep fried Twinkie
(Seattle)?
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:47:37 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/16/2012 2:53 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>
>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>
>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>
>
>I heard that it was coming last week and read that it happened today.
>Oddly the union workers are going on strike as a result. Still
>scratching my head on that one.
What else can they do? If they tried "working a full day", it might
start some horrible trend toward efficiency. They sure don't want
that. <shudder>
--
Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are
based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
I have received and am still receiving.
-- Albert Einstein
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:07:02 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>Swingman wrote:
>
>> We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
>> parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
>> the habit.
>>
>
>We were "allowed them", my mom just wouldn't buy them...
>
>I think there is a "run" going on right now to get the last boxes.
>How much will the "World's Last Twinkie" will go for on ebay? :)
>===========================================================================
>What are they going to do in the birthplace of the deep fried Twinkie
>(Seattle)?
It was already closed earlier in the week.
Mike M
Swingman wrote:
> On 11/16/2012 2:53 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>
>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>
>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>
> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
> calories are becoming apparent.
>
> Besides, most kids no longer take their lunches to school. :)
>
> We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
> parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
> the habit.
>
Hey, my parents were like that too. But they (Dolly Madison)
sponsored all of the Peanuts shows (Charlie Brown Christmas, etc.)!
Swingman wrote:
> We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
> parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
> the habit.
>
We were "allowed them", my mom just wouldn't buy them...
I think there is a "run" going on right now to get the last boxes.
How much will the "World's Last Twinkie" will go for on ebay? :)
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>
>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>
>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>
>
> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they will
> re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for employees.
>
How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen this
play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
On 11/16/2012 5:44 PM, Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> We weren't allowed them as kids (considered an expensive frivolity by
>> parents who were themselves children of the depression), so I never got
>> the habit.
>>
>
> We were "allowed them", my mom just wouldn't buy them...
>
> I think there is a "run" going on right now to get the last boxes.
> How much will the "World's Last Twinkie" will go for on ebay? :)
>
It has started:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Boxes-of-TWINKIES-/160923795415
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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bill wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>>
>>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>>
>>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
>>> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they
>>> will re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for
>>> employees.
>>
>> How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
>> bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen
>> this play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
>
> Well, the two largest investors in Hostess, venture capitalist firms run
> by Democrats, are out some $200 million.
>
WHAT? No bailouts?
On 11/17/2012 10:32 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:54:24 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>>
>>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>>
>>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>>
>>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>>
>>> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
>>> strike.
>>
>> Actually, they are !
>>
>> "Bakers' union officials and their supporters say also that the demise of
>> Hostess Brands Inc., which failed to convince striking workers to return to
>> their jobs, is a warning sign for corporate investors seeking to squeeze
>> more profits out of the working class."
>>
>> http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/16/business/maines-striking-hostess-workers-say-companys-collapse-a-strong-message-of-union-resolve/?ref=videos
>>
>
> It will be interesting to see how they feel a few months from now.
> Philosophical wins can be very expensive. Who is going to pay for the
> food stamps and medial costs? Wait, I think I know!
>
First since junk food is a vital part of any shop or wood working area I
think it is a mistake to label this threat OT.
If the baker's union takes that approach to each of the companies they
represent??? then eventually the union will cease to exist.
I wonder what they say when the Hostess Brand reappear made by other
companies possibly non union and 20000 of their members are out of work.
It takes a strange mind to see that as a positive or is it sour grapes.
"Will I didn't want it anyway."
On 11/16/2012 3:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>
>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>
>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>
>>
>> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
>> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they will
>> re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for employees.
>>
>
> How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
> bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen this
> play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
it's not a public company, so there are no stockholders.
chaniarts wrote:
> On 11/16/2012 3:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>>
>>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>>
>>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
>>> recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they will
>>> re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for employees.
>>>
>>
>> How does that work, do they screw the stock-holders and the
>> bond-holders, or just the stock-holders? It seems like we've seen this
>> play a few times before with K-Mart, Sears, and GM, at least.
>
> it's not a public company, so there are no stockholders.
>
Ah, okay. I think you mean it's privately held (not publicly traded).
On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:54:24 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>
>>> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>>>
>>> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>>>
>>> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
>>
>> Well, I hope the Bakers' Union is happy with the outcome of their
>> strike.
>
>Actually, they are !
>
>"Bakers' union officials and their supporters say also that the demise of
>Hostess Brands Inc., which failed to convince striking workers to return to
>their jobs, is a warning sign for corporate investors seeking to squeeze
>more profits out of the working class."
>
>http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/16/business/maines-striking-hostess-workers-say-companys-collapse-a-strong-message-of-union-resolve/?ref=videos
>
It will be interesting to see how they feel a few months from now.
Philosophical wins can be very expensive. Who is going to pay for the
food stamps and medial costs? Wait, I think I know!
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:53:34 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>
>Hostess Brands is Closed.
>
>http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
Sales have been declining for years now. I'm sure the brand and
recipes will be sold and the bakeries will be downsized, but they will
re-open under the new company at 75% of former pay for employees.
>
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> The knee jerks will automatically blame it on the unions, but their
>> products are arguably outdated in a time when the results of empty
>> calories are becoming apparent.
That is part of it, but the company is an overall fiscal mess. CEO
salary triples, upper management salaries up 80%, yet the Teamsters
agree that a 10% worker cut is needed. Unfunded pension payments due
too
I'd not be surprised if the company is sold for fifty bucks and opens
under a new name. Need a job? I have openings for your old position
at 40% of your previous salary.
On 11/16/2012 2:53 PM, Bill wrote:
> Another American-Icon hits the dust:
>
> Hostess Brands is Closed.
>
> http://hostessbrands.com/Closing.aspx
I heard that it was coming last week and read that it happened today.
Oddly the union workers are going on strike as a result. Still
scratching my head on that one.