I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
time cutting and securing the cork...
1 - Is that a good solution?
2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
(I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
Thanks!
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> >>> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> >>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
> >>>
> >>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> >>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
> >>>
> >>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> >>> time cutting and securing the cork...
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> >>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> >>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
> >>>
> >>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> >>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
> >> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
> >> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
> >
> > Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>
> ;~(
>
> >
> > My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
> >
>
> Yeah... there is that. Any pad that will deform when "squshed" will
> likely break the bond loose too.
Yeah... There is that too ;-)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 2:09:44 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/31/2018 10:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the
>>>> rubber pads for my bar
>>>> clamps. I can't find anything that will
>>>> keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>>>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the
>>>> dumb end. Unless the
>>>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>>>>
>>>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent
>>>> solution. Before I spend the
>>>> time cutting and securing the cork...
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
>>>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>>>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>>>>
>>>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about
>>>> keeping the rubber pads on
>>>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the
>>> idea of a "round peg in
>>> square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
>>>
>>> http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
>>>
>> Are you using pads for aluminum bar clamps? I never used pads on that
>> style clamp at all, only on the cast iron pipe clamp ends. Food for
>> thought.
>
> How do you avoid damaging the wood? Metal clamped to wood tends to leave a
> mark, doesn't it?
>
> I'm talking about these.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ODq6WZv.jpg
Ok I'm sorry, I thought you might have been talking aluminum bar clamps.
Cast iron surfaces tend to be rough and very small clamping surfaces will
damage the wood.
Clamps with large, flat, and smooth surfaces normally are not an issue.
>
> The Bessey's came with pads and they stay on fine. My old Jorgensens came
> naked and those are the ones that are wearing me out, chasing the pads
> across the shop. None of the generic pads fit.
>
> I found links for Jorgensen 7437 pads but Amazon, Sears, B&H Photo, just
> about everyone that carried them say they are no longer available. The
> one place that claims they have them wants $4.31 for 4 pairs. Not bad,
> but get this: Shipping is $12.95 for one set, 21.95 for 2 sets and $29.95
> for 3 sets. WTF!
>
> https://www.hammerheadsupply.com/product/pony-tools-7437-8-pack-bar-clamp-pads
>
> I'll keep looking for another source because those seem like they should
> work.
>
>>
>> You will certainly need to insure that you clamping force is flat on the
>> wood surface.
>
> Those clamps would still dent softer woods, woodn't they? ;-)
>
>
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> > > clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> > > doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
> > >
> > > I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> > > pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
> > >
> > > I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> > > time cutting and securing the cork...
> > >
> > > 1 - Is that a good solution?
> > > 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> > > and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
> > >
> > > (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> > > so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
> >
> > That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
> > style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
> > Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>
> Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>
> My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
Amen to that.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
> square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
>
> http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
If you have a HF near by, might be worth a look.
https://www.harborfreight.com/9-pairs-c-clamp-jaw-pads-91952.html
On 1/30/2018 3:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/30/2018 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>>>>> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>>>>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>>>>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>>>>> time cutting and securing the cork...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
>>>>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>>>>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>>>>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
>>>> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
>>>> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>>>
>>> Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>>
>> ;~(
>>
>>>
>>> My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah... there is that. Any pad that will deform when "squshed" will
>> likely break the bond loose too.
>
> Yeah... There is that too ;-)
>
Thinking back.....I do recall someone using rare earth magnets to attach
a wooden pad to their bar clamps. It some how stuck on the side or back
so that the magnet would not be crushed. Something to think about.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> Thinking back.....I do recall someone using rare earth magnets to attach=
=20
> a wooden pad to their bar clamps. It some how stuck on the side or back=
=20
> so that the magnet would not be crushed. Something to think about.
I saw that on another site, somewhere. The poster took a drill and drilled=
the correct size to match his magnets and put a hole into the clamp faces =
just deep enough to hold his neodymium magnets in place with epoxy. Made a =
wood pad out of softwood, and simply pressed the magnet into the face side.=
The pads were about 3/8" to 1/2" thick and he used tiny magnets. Accordi=
ng to him it worked great. Don't see why it wouldn't.
You might try this for less fuss. Find it somewhere where you can return i=
t if it doesn't work. A lot of hardware stores carry the Household Goop. =
I have used it on other things and it can really hold well if the surfaces =
are pretty clean:
http://www.thistothat.com/cgi-bin/glue.cgi?lang=3Den&this=3DVinyl&that=3DMe=
tal
Since all my clamps have vinyl faces, I have looked for a solution myself. =
The vinyl gets old, stretched out, then lost. As it is, I look like a rea=
l pro out there with my clamp pads kept in place with duct tape.
Robert
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 03:55:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 12:01:29 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:40:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> >> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >> > I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>> >> > clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>> >> > doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>> >> > pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>> >> > time cutting and securing the cork...
>> >> >
>> >> > 1 - Is that a good solution?
>> >> > 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>> >> > and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>> >> >
>> >> > (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>> >> > so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
>> >> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
>> >> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>> >
>> >Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>> >
>> >My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
>>
>> Then, there is no ROI to figure into the picture. ;-)
>
>Well, SWMBO is a pretty good cook and fun to have around. The kids enjoy the
>beds, kitchen islands and cribbage boards I've made them. My son is getting into
>WW so we talk about stuff that we learned, tools, etc.
>
>I said that I don't make money, I didn't say that I don't get paid. ;-)
Oh, I was coming at it from the opposite direction. If there is no
income from a tool it doesn't matter what a tool costs, the ROI is the
same. So don't worry about cost. ;-) Seriously, it changes the
equation from one of "need" to one of "want".
That said, the kid has long been out of the house. It, and everything
else, is paid for. I make good money. I think we're good for
retirement (anything can happen) and toys are fun. SWMBO gives me the
faux-stinkeye from time to time but it's good. I'm actually on a
business trip to Californica this week. She texted me yesterday to
ask if I'd made it to the hotel yet. "Nope, only as far as
Woodcraft". She answered "Put the credit cards down!" To which I
answered, "no problem, I was going to use the debit card anyway.". I
fooled her, though. I used cash. ;-)
On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 7:02:51 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
> > square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
> >
> > http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
>
> If you have a HF near by, might be worth a look.
>
> https://www.harborfreight.com/9-pairs-c-clamp-jaw-pads-91952.html
Those are exactly what I have been chasing around the shop for the past
few years.
Notice the difference between those pads and the Rockler ones. It's
the wide open backs of the HF ones that cause them to fall off.
On 1/30/2018 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>
> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>
> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> time cutting and securing the cork...
>
> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>
> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>
> Thanks!
>
I have many clamps that have cork.. works great. I used carpet tape to
attach.
--
Jeff
On 1/30/2018 2:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
[snip]
>>>
>>> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
>>> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
>>> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>>
>> Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>
> ;~(
>
>>
>> My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
>>
>
> Yeah... there is that. Any pad that will deform when "squshed" will
> likely break the bond loose too.
Roughing up the mating surfaces (cork, rubber or?? and metal/plastic),
perhaps even drilling a TINY hole in the clamp face and then using
silicone sealant to join them? Even if the "squishing" breaks the main
bond, unless you pull at them the silicone that's migrated into the
holes drilled should keep them attached.
At one point I used some magnetic rubber strip material on the back of
smallish plywood squares to hold a protective (plywood) face in place.
Didn't work all that well but perhaps it would have if I'd drilled a
space for the clamp face to sit.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the
> rubber pads for my bar clamps. I can't find anything that will keep
> them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work, doubled sided tape
> doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>
> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the
> dumb end. Unless the pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly
> falls off.
>
> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent
> solution. Before I spend the time cutting and securing the cork...
>
> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser
> for both the pad and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works
> for both materials?
>
> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about
> keeping the rubber pads on so I don't have to chase them around the
> shop anymore.)
>
> Thanks!
I've used leather pads, cut from old gloves, attached with contact cement
for many years on all my clamps. Never had a problem.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:p5a369$o98$1
@dont-email.me:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:22:31 -0800 (PST)
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser
>
> duct tape
contact cement
On 1/31/2018 10:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>>
>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>>
>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>> time cutting and securing the cork...
>>
>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>>
>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
> square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
>
> http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
>
Are you using pads for aluminum bar clamps? I never used pads on that
style clamp at all, only on the cast iron pipe clamp ends. Food for
thought.
You will certainly need to insure that you clamping force is flat on the
wood surface.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> > clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> > doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
> >
> > I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> > pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
> >
> > I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> > time cutting and securing the cork...
> >
> > 1 - Is that a good solution?
> > 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> > and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
> >
> > (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> > so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
>
> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:40:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>> > clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>> > doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>> >
>> > I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>> > pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>> >
>> > I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>> > time cutting and securing the cork...
>> >
>> > 1 - Is that a good solution?
>> > 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>> > and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>> >
>> > (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>> > so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>>
>>
>> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
>> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
>> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>
>Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
>
>My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
Then, there is no ROI to figure into the picture. ;-)
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>
> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>
> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> time cutting and securing the cork...
>
> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>
> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>
> Thanks!
I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 12:01:29 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:40:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> > I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> >> > clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> >> > doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
> >> >
> >> > I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> >> > pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
> >> >
> >> > I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> >> > time cutting and securing the cork...
> >> >
> >> > 1 - Is that a good solution?
> >> > 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> >> > and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
> >> >
> >> > (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> >> > so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
> >> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
> >> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
> >
> >Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
> >
> >My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
>
> Then, there is no ROI to figure into the picture. ;-)
Well, SWMBO is a pretty good cook and fun to have around. The kids enjoy the
beds, kitchen islands and cribbage boards I've made them. My son is getting into
WW so we talk about stuff that we learned, tools, etc.
I said that I don't make money, I didn't say that I don't get paid. ;-)
On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 2:09:44 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/31/2018 10:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> >> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> >> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
> >>
> >> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> >> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
> >>
> >> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> >> time cutting and securing the cork...
> >>
> >> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> >> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> >> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
> >>
> >> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> >> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >
> > I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
> > square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
> >
> > http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
> >
> Are you using pads for aluminum bar clamps? I never used pads on that
> style clamp at all, only on the cast iron pipe clamp ends. Food for
> thought.
How do you avoid damaging the wood? Metal clamped to wood tends to leave a
mark, doesn't it?
I'm talking about these.
https://i.imgur.com/ODq6WZv.jpg
The Bessey's came with pads and they stay on fine. My old Jorgensens came
naked and those are the ones that are wearing me out, chasing the pads
across the shop. None of the generic pads fit.
I found links for Jorgensen 7437 pads but Amazon, Sears, B&H Photo, just
about everyone that carried them say they are no longer available. The
one place that claims they have them wants $4.31 for 4 pairs. Not bad,
but get this: Shipping is $12.95 for one set, 21.95 for 2 sets and $29.95
for 3 sets. WTF!
https://www.hammerheadsupply.com/product/pony-tools-7437-8-pack-bar-clamp-pads
I'll keep looking for another source because those seem like they should
work.
>
> You will certainly need to insure that you clamping force is flat on the
> wood surface.
Those clamps would still dent softer woods, woodn't they? ;-)
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>=20
> > Thinking back.....I do recall someone using rare earth magnets to attac=
h=20
> > a wooden pad to their bar clamps. It some how stuck on the side or bac=
k=20
> > so that the magnet would not be crushed. Something to think about.
>=20
> I saw that on another site, somewhere. The poster took a drill and drill=
ed the correct size to match his magnets and put a hole into the clamp face=
s just deep enough to hold his neodymium magnets in place with epoxy. Made =
a wood pad out of softwood, and simply pressed the magnet into the face sid=
e. The pads were about 3/8" to 1/2" thick and he used tiny magnets. Accor=
ding to him it worked great. Don't see why it wouldn't.
>=20
> You might try this for less fuss. Find it somewhere where you can return=
it if it doesn't work. A lot of hardware stores carry the Household Goop.=
I have used it on other things and it can really hold well if the surface=
s are pretty clean:
>=20
> http://www.thistothat.com/cgi-bin/glue.cgi?lang=3Den&this=3DVinyl&that=3D=
Metal
>=20
> Since all my clamps have vinyl faces, I have looked for a solution myself=
. The vinyl gets old, stretched out, then lost. As it is, I look like a r=
eal pro out there with my clamp pads kept in place with duct tape.
>=20
> Robert
I have used Dow 732 Silicone Sealant as an adhesive for years. Might be=20
worth a shot. Thanks for the idea.
On 1/30/2018 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>>> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>>>
>>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>>>
>>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>>> time cutting and securing the cork...
>>>
>>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
>>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>>>
>>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>>
>> That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
>> style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
>> Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.
>
> Thanks, but replacing all of my clamps is not an option.
;~(
>
> My projects *cost* me money, not *make* me money.
>
Yeah... there is that. Any pad that will deform when "squshed" will
likely break the bond loose too.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
10:47:00 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:22:31 -0800 (PST)
>DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about
>> keeping the rubber pads on so I don't have to chase them around the
>> shop anymore.)
>
>3d print some that will clip on
Barge cement.
That stuff will hold just about everything.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On 1/31/18 10:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
>> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
>> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>>
>> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
>> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>>
>> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
>> time cutting and securing the cork...
>>
>> 1 - Is that a good solution?
>> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
>> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>>
>> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
>> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I just saw these in the latest Rockler catalog. I'm not sure I like the idea of a "round peg in
> square hole", so to speak, but they look like they would stay on.
>
> http://www.rockler.com/clamp-pads-for-piher-zmm-f-style-piston-clamps
>
If I were you, I'd try the epoxy/cork option.
Cut the cork oversized, then trim with a razor after cure.
You can do the same with plumbers' rubber. It comes in sheets and cuts
to size.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 1/30/2018 6:35 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> At one point I used some magnetic rubber strip material on the back of
> smallish plywood squares to hold a protective (plywood) face in place.
I did exactly the same thing with my pipe clamps. Main problem was the
magnetic strips weren't that strong. Have no idea where I got the
magnetic strips. Rare earth magnets should work better.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/1/2018 8:55 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 6:35 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>> At one point I used some magnetic rubber strip material on the back of
>> smallish plywood squares to hold a protective (plywood) face in place.
>
> I did exactly the same thing with my pipe clamps. Main problem was the
> magnetic strips weren't that strong. Have no idea where I got the
> magnetic strips. Rare earth magnets should work better.
>
Here>
https://www.allelectronics.com/index.php?page=seek&id%5Bm%5D=pattern&id%5Bq%5D=magnet
is a supplier I get electronic parts from and have bought very strong
magnets from. (While I am very satisfied with this place, I am not
trying to advertise, just giving an example.) The NEODYMIUM magnets are
really strong, hard to believe. (The rubber strip magnets are very much
weaker!) There are quite a few places selling them. But availability has
decreased since there are fears young kids will swallow them. If you get
two or more in your guts they can pull the tubing around and close it
off, which also shows how strong the magnets are. I have a friend who
had a pet die after swallowing some.
Some are as thin as 0.2 inches, in that ad. There might be thinner ones
elsewhere. But even for thicker ones you could put the magnets in the
clamps, where you can use more depth without having to use thick pads,
then a thin piece of sheet steel on the back of the pads. Before
drilling you could test picking up some of whatever sheet steel you have
with one magnet, two, etc., to see what is needed to achieve strength
you want. I think one would probably do it, even for the very small
magnets, but it would be better to test before drilling holes in your
clamps. Don't make holes in a clamp that a magnet will just barely fit
into, though, if the surrounding metal is iron or steel! The surrounding
ferrous metal will "short circuit" the magnetic field. But if you make a
hole somewhat larger, say 3/8 inch for a 1/4 inch magnet, and fill the
space around the magnet with something like epoxy glue, then the
combination of the magnet itself and the surrounding metal as a
pole-piece will actually make the attraction even stronger.
I have Bessey clamps that I mostly use for nice glue-ups, but I also
have a number of other clamps this might be good for. (I have just been
putting in wooden shims as pads when necessary.) And I already have some
of those magnets, so I think I will give it a try. (I also have chronic
pains that sap most of my energy so it could be a long time before that
happens!)
Bob Wilson
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:22:31 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser
duct tape
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:22:31 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about
> keeping the rubber pads on so I don't have to chase them around the
> shop anymore.)
3d print some that will clip on
or ditch them and use a scrap of wood and make it fit the clamp
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:22:31 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser
drum roll please as this is the ultimate solution
shrink tubing
ta da
well it depends on the shape of the pad and clamp there
one benefit is that you can cut off the shrink tubing and put on new
ones
not sure why i never thought of this before but i will try it
for a couple of slipping pads
if you get the tubing for underground cabling is has extra gunk so it
might work instead without the pads at all
could get on the work though
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm talking about these.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ODq6WZv.jpg
>
> The Bessey's came with pads and they stay on fine. My old Jorgensens came
> naked and those are the ones that are wearing me out, chasing the pads
> across the shop. None of the generic pads fit.
>
> I found links for Jorgensen 7437 pads but Amazon, Sears, B&H Photo, just
> about everyone that carried them say they are no longer available. The
> one place that claims they have them wants $4.31 for 4 pairs. Not bad,
> but get this: Shipping is $12.95 for one set, 21.95 for 2 sets and $29.95
> for 3 sets. WTF!
>
> https://www.hammerheadsupply.com/product/pony-tools-7437-8-pack-bar-clamp-pads
>
> I'll keep looking for another source because those seem like they should
> work.
You will probably need an adhesive with ANY replacemnet pad...
https://www.andersonplywood.com/pony-tools-pipe-and-bar-clamp-pads-pony-tools-7437/
https://www.amazon.com/Bessey-3101392-Plastic-Replacement-TGJ2-5/dp/B0057PU9KE/
https://www.amazon.com/Bessey-3101396-Tgk4-5-Tg5-5-Clamps/dp/B005PJQU1O
https://www.amazon.com/Tools-QUICK-GRIP-Replacement-One-Handed-1826578/dp/B008CCLV8S
On 1/30/2018 9:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I'm getting way too much exercise from bending over to pick up the rubber pads for my bar
> clamps. I can't find anything that will keep them secured to the clamp. Hot glue doesn't work,
> doubled sided tape doesn't work, a loop of Gorilla tape doesn't work.
>
> I've got round "caps" for the smart ends and U shaped slip ons for the dumb end. Unless the
> pad actually clips onto the clamp, it constantly falls off.
>
> I've read about using adhesive backed cork as a more permanent solution. Before I spend the
> time cutting and securing the cork...
>
> 1 - Is that a good solution?
> 2 - Is there a way to keep the rubber pads on? Some kind of degreaser for both the pad
> and clamp and then some type of adhesive that works for both materials?
>
> (I use wooden cauls/pads when appropriate. I'm just asking about keeping the rubber pads on
> so I don't have to chase them around the shop anymore.)
>
> Thanks!
>
That is one of the exact reasons that I went with the parallel K-body
style clamps. The plastic covers do not come off. Be careful with the
Jet style, their plastic heads are a bit hard.