bb

"basilisk"

08/04/2010 10:52 AM

Table from hell, or just say no.

At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.

The table shows up a few days later, it is a roughly
mission style, with a white painted skirt, legs and frame,
a piney wood top coated to look like someones idea of maple.

Approximate new retail cost of about $20.

I would think if I ask someone to refinish a table pro bono,
that it wouldn't be too much trouble for it to arrive
clean, but it showed up with dirt, grime, cobwebs and all.
I removed the top, scrubbed the frame clean and noticed
that one of the bottom rails is cracked.

When I attempted to spread the crack a little to work some
glue in, I finished snapping it into, good, now I can glue it
properly, three bessie clamps later it is fairly straight
and well clamped.

Now for the top, it is only 16 x 30 and the finish appears
quite hard, so I'm planning to sand the finish off.
The stuff will clog up 80 grit paper almost instantly,
finally cleared about 2 square inches down to bare wood
after changing the paper in the palm sander 4 times.
This isn't working, I get out the heat gun and bring the
surface to near charring temp, the finish doesn't budge.

I don't have any of nailshooters high powered strippers
but I do have a can of kleenstrip, I apply it liberally
and it beads on the surface like water on a freshly
waxed car, it won't even stick to it, much less
dissolve the finish.

Time to quite fooling around, I get a cabinet scraper
and scrap the crap off, it is at this time, I see the
red blothes on the top and it occured to me that some
where in Taiwan there is a chemical coating engineer
that devised a finish that is impervious to all known
solvents, heat and abrasion that will freely pass
unknown red stuff to dye the surface underneath,
he is a genius.

Next day.

Remove clamps from broken rail and sand down joint,
the reason for the break becomes obvious, there is a knot
that takes up the entire piece, apparently asian
furniture companies never cull anything.

Not willing to let well enough alone, I decided that
putting a metal tie plate under the rail will
reinforce the joint and possibly prevent it breaking
again. I'm putting the last screw in the tie plate
and it pops a hunk out of the knot. I bondo the hole
and resand the break. Doesn't look too awful for
something that will be painted.

I turn my attention to the red spots thinking that
possibly they can be lifted with solvent.
Mineral spirits, lacquer thinner, denatured alcohol,
acetone, naptha, methly ethly ketone nor
1,1,1 trichloroethane have any noticable effect.
After exposing myself to most of the chemicals
known to the State of California to cause cancer, I
decide to stain the top a red mahoghany, hopefully
hiding the spots.

Top is finished both sides with 4 coats of rattle can
shellac, looks good, and you can't find the red spots
unless you hunt for them.

Frame is hit lightly with 240 grit and sprayed white.

SWMBO comes around and says that the tables intended
use is a kitchen roll around, I point out that said table
doesn't have castors and that shellac isn't the best
finish for kitchen use, my objections are dismissed,
family harmony is in doubt, I needed to go to the blue
borg anyway.

Cheap castors only come in three packs, marketing
brilliance at its best, I can't wait to make that
two legged, roll around stool, I always wanted.

Next day.

Put two coats of polyurethane on the top for durabilty.

Drill holes for castors in legs, while installing the
second castor a three inch long wedge of knot snaps off
the bottom of the leg, really the Asians cull nothing.

With the extra height of the castors, no one is going
to miss three inches off the legs, remove the first
castor and saw all the legs off three inches, redrill
holes.

Affixing the top and castors went without any more
surprises.

Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
cheaper.

basilisk



This topic has 20 replies

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

12/04/2010 7:54 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:39:53 -0500, the infamous [email protected]
>scrawled the following:
>
>>I'm interested in your statement
>>
>>"nailshooters high powered strippers"
>>
>>What high powered strippers are you refering to?
>
>MEK, baby!

That's Mandy, Evelyn, and Kristin, right?

m

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

09/04/2010 4:39 AM

I'm interested in your statement

"nailshooters high powered strippers"

What high powered strippers are you refering to?


On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:52:03 -0500, "basilisk" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>I don't have any of nailshooters high powered strippers
>but I do have a can of kleenstrip, I apply it liberally
>and it beads on the surface like water on a freshly
>waxed car, it won't even stick to it, much less
>dissolve the finish.
>

nn

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 9:24 AM

On Apr 8, 10:52=A0am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:

> At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
> for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
> it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.

Ahhhh.... the learning curve of refinishing. You sure got a full
dose. Unless it is a valuable hardwood, fine joinery, excellent
design, or just plain easy to get the finish off it is never a good
idea to refinish.

I have turned away a lot of work because folks "hear that I do that
kind of work" and see those idiots on cable shows refinish $35 garage
sale finds. They think it is really cheap and easy, and they feel
good because they "rescued" something.

How much time did you have in it? How much repair time did you use?
What was the cost of sandpaper, belts, stripper, rags, new respirator
filters, nitrile gloves, shellac and top coat?

You see the disbelief all over their face when you tell them $300 for
what you did. "But Robert... the TABLE only cost $35....
seriously..."

They think you are a thief. In my mind I wonder if $300 has it
covered if I wind up with what you found underneath the finish.

> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk

AMEN!! Great idea! And a cheap way to help ensure domestic
tranquility.

Well, if you don't mind, I would like to share that one with a couple
of my buddies. They will get a kick out of it. You said a lot really
ironic things (the three casters was priceless!) in a pretty damn
funny way. All true. Everyone that gets caught in any of those
"honey do" projects can relate, not just the refinishing ideas.

I love it when the project arrives, they go shopping, and come back
after a grueling day of hitting the sales with a cold late lunch for
you to see if you are finished....

Great post. Really enjoyed it.

Robert

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 12:40 PM


"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
> for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
> it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.
>
> The table shows up a few days later, it is a roughly
> mission style, with a white painted skirt, legs and frame,
> a piney wood top coated to look like someones idea of maple.
>
> Approximate new retail cost of about $20.
>
> I would think if I ask someone to refinish a table pro bono,
> that it wouldn't be too much trouble for it to arrive
> clean, but it showed up with dirt, grime, cobwebs and all.
> I removed the top, scrubbed the frame clean and noticed
> that one of the bottom rails is cracked.
>
> When I attempted to spread the crack a little to work some
> glue in, I finished snapping it into, good, now I can glue it
> properly, three bessie clamps later it is fairly straight
> and well clamped.
>
> Now for the top, it is only 16 x 30 and the finish appears
> quite hard, so I'm planning to sand the finish off.
> The stuff will clog up 80 grit paper almost instantly,
> finally cleared about 2 square inches down to bare wood
> after changing the paper in the palm sander 4 times.
> This isn't working, I get out the heat gun and bring the
> surface to near charring temp, the finish doesn't budge.
>
> I don't have any of nailshooters high powered strippers
> but I do have a can of kleenstrip, I apply it liberally
> and it beads on the surface like water on a freshly
> waxed car, it won't even stick to it, much less
> dissolve the finish.
>
> Time to quite fooling around, I get a cabinet scraper
> and scrap the crap off, it is at this time, I see the
> red blothes on the top and it occured to me that some
> where in Taiwan there is a chemical coating engineer
> that devised a finish that is impervious to all known
> solvents, heat and abrasion that will freely pass
> unknown red stuff to dye the surface underneath,
> he is a genius.
>
> Next day.
>
> Remove clamps from broken rail and sand down joint,
> the reason for the break becomes obvious, there is a knot
> that takes up the entire piece, apparently asian
> furniture companies never cull anything.
>
> Not willing to let well enough alone, I decided that
> putting a metal tie plate under the rail will
> reinforce the joint and possibly prevent it breaking
> again. I'm putting the last screw in the tie plate
> and it pops a hunk out of the knot. I bondo the hole
> and resand the break. Doesn't look too awful for
> something that will be painted.
>
> I turn my attention to the red spots thinking that
> possibly they can be lifted with solvent.
> Mineral spirits, lacquer thinner, denatured alcohol,
> acetone, naptha, methly ethly ketone nor
> 1,1,1 trichloroethane have any noticable effect.
> After exposing myself to most of the chemicals
> known to the State of California to cause cancer, I
> decide to stain the top a red mahoghany, hopefully
> hiding the spots.
>
> Top is finished both sides with 4 coats of rattle can
> shellac, looks good, and you can't find the red spots
> unless you hunt for them.
>
> Frame is hit lightly with 240 grit and sprayed white.
>
> SWMBO comes around and says that the tables intended
> use is a kitchen roll around, I point out that said table
> doesn't have castors and that shellac isn't the best
> finish for kitchen use, my objections are dismissed,
> family harmony is in doubt, I needed to go to the blue
> borg anyway.
>
> Cheap castors only come in three packs, marketing
> brilliance at its best, I can't wait to make that
> two legged, roll around stool, I always wanted.
>
> Next day.
>
> Put two coats of polyurethane on the top for durabilty.
>
> Drill holes for castors in legs, while installing the
> second castor a three inch long wedge of knot snaps off
> the bottom of the leg, really the Asians cull nothing.
>
> With the extra height of the castors, no one is going
> to miss three inches off the legs, remove the first
> castor and saw all the legs off three inches, redrill
> holes.
>
> Affixing the top and castors went without any more
> surprises.
>
> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk
>
Stop! Stop! I am getting flashbacks.

Ya know, Post Trumatic Honey Do Project Syndrome.

I can so totally relate, I do some welding so I got drawn into a number of
welding projects of a similar nature. As well as the home repair, furniture
repair, kitchen goodie build, etc.

After awhile, I just drew up a contract that stated very clearly what my
responsibilities were. I also will not buy anything to do these projects.
That really scares them off. When they have to actually buy your supples,
they freak out and back off rather quickly.

Funny story. I was asked to repair a go kart and motor scooter frame. I
knew it was going to be trouble. So I got a signed waiver. It turns out the
were built from water pipe! Hardly the best material to make any kind of
vehicle. I told them that the frame would probably melt and the weld may not
hold. That the best I could do was to weld a big patch of some kind on
there.

They said no to that, just "do the best I can". Well, I did. And I melted
through the water pipe frame. The best thing about that job was that they
never asked me to do anything ever again. Which was fine by me.




LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 10:15 AM


"basilisk" wrote:

<snip an entertaining tale of finishing woe>

> SWMBO comes around and says that the tables intended
> use is a kitchen roll around, I point out that said table
> doesn't have castors and that shellac isn't the best
> finish for kitchen use, my objections are dismissed,
> family harmony is in doubt, I needed to go to the blue
> borg anyway.
<More snippage>
-----------------------------------------
Is Cosco still in business?

Back in the days when I worked in a hardware store, we sold Cosco
utility tables that had wheels as well as high chairs, and card tables
complete with folding chairs.

Must have assembled at least 100 of those utility tables.

Back then those utility tables sold for under $20.

Lew


Nn

Nova

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 1:22 PM

basilisk wrote:


>
> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk
>
>
>

After about the third problem you encountered I think I would have built
a properly made new table of similar looks and thrown the old table out.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

09/04/2010 8:44 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm interested in your statement
>
> "nailshooters high powered strippers"
>
> What high powered strippers are you refering to?
>
>
One of their names is Bambi. The other's name is Crystal.


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

09/04/2010 3:42 PM

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in news:4bbf211e
[email protected]:

>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm interested in your statement
>>
>> "nailshooters high powered strippers"
>>
>> What high powered strippers are you refering to?
>>
>>
> One of their names is Bambi. The other's name is Crystal.
>
>
>
>

I hear Bambi's a real deer.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

aa

allen476

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 12:11 PM

On Apr 8, 11:52=A0am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
> for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
> it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.
>
> The table shows up a few days later, it is a roughly
> mission style, with a white painted skirt, legs and frame,
> a piney wood top coated to look like someones idea of maple.
>
> Approximate new retail cost of about $20.
>
> I would think if I ask someone to refinish a table pro bono,
> that it wouldn't be too much trouble for it to arrive
> clean, but it showed up with dirt, grime, cobwebs and all.
> I removed the top, scrubbed the frame clean and noticed
> that one of the bottom rails is cracked.
>
> When I attempted to spread the crack a little to work some
> glue in, I finished snapping it into, good, now I can glue it
> properly, three bessie clamps later it is fairly straight
> and well clamped.
>
> Now for the top, it is only 16 x 30 and the finish appears
> quite hard, so I'm planning to sand the finish off.
> The stuff will clog up 80 grit paper almost instantly,
> finally cleared about 2 square inches down to bare wood
> after changing the paper in the palm sander 4 times.
> This isn't working, I get out the heat gun and bring the
> surface to near charring temp, the finish doesn't budge.
>
> I don't have any of nailshooters high powered strippers
> but I do have a can of kleenstrip, I apply it liberally
> and it beads on the surface like water on a freshly
> waxed car, it won't even stick to it, much less
> dissolve the finish.
>
> Time to quite fooling around, I get a cabinet scraper
> and scrap the crap off, it is at this time, I see the
> red blothes on the top and it occured to me that some
> where in Taiwan there is a chemical coating engineer
> that devised a finish that is impervious to all known
> solvents, heat and abrasion that will freely pass
> unknown red stuff to dye the surface underneath,
> he is a genius.
>
> Next day.
>
> Remove clamps from broken rail and sand down joint,
> the reason for the break becomes obvious, there is a knot
> that takes up the entire piece, apparently asian
> furniture companies never cull anything.
>
> Not willing to let well enough alone, I decided that
> putting a metal tie plate under the rail will
> reinforce the joint and possibly prevent it breaking
> again. I'm putting the last screw in the tie plate
> and it pops a hunk out of the knot. I bondo the hole
> and resand the break. Doesn't look too awful for
> something that will be painted.
>
> I turn my attention to the red spots thinking that
> possibly they can be lifted with solvent.
> Mineral spirits, lacquer thinner, denatured alcohol,
> acetone, naptha, methly ethly ketone nor
> 1,1,1 trichloroethane have any noticable effect.
> After exposing myself to most of the chemicals
> known to the State of California to cause cancer, I
> decide to stain the top a red mahoghany, hopefully
> hiding the spots.
>
> Top is finished both sides with 4 coats of rattle can
> shellac, looks good, and you can't find the red spots
> unless you hunt for them.
>
> Frame is hit lightly with 240 grit and sprayed white.
>
> SWMBO comes around and says that the tables intended
> use is a kitchen roll around, I point out that said table
> doesn't have castors and that shellac isn't the best
> finish for kitchen use, my objections are dismissed,
> family harmony is in doubt, I needed to go to the blue
> borg anyway.
>
> Cheap castors only come in three packs, marketing
> brilliance at its best, I can't wait to make that
> two legged, roll around stool, I always wanted.
>
> Next day.
>
> Put two coats of polyurethane on the top for durabilty.
>
> Drill holes for castors in legs, while installing the
> second castor a three inch long wedge of knot snaps off
> the bottom of the leg, really the Asians cull nothing.
>
> With the extra height of the castors, no one is going
> to miss three inches off the legs, remove the first
> castor and saw all the legs off three inches, redrill
> holes.
>
> Affixing the top and castors went without any more
> surprises.
>
> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk

I agree with Nova on this one. I had a similar situation when we
moved into our house. My wife found a vanity table in the attic that
she loved. It was really beat up. She wanted me to just "strip the
finish off and we could put a new finish on" I didn't do it for awhile
because I knew that it would be a pain. Then it came back to haunt me
as SWMBO wanted it to be a new desk for our daughter.

Well the top was shot. It was so soft that you could dent the it
with your breath. The stretchers weren't far behind. Well after some
soul searching and a few choice words, I decided that I would just
remake most of it because the only thing that was salvageable were the
legs. Luckily there wasn't any joinery on the original as it was held
together by clips and screws.

SWMBO didn't even notice the difference. It was my first attempt at
mortise and tenon joinery. A new top and drawer along with all new
wood all the way around. I cleaned up the legs with paint stripper and
jute. Painted the legs and put 4 coats of danish oil on the rest of
it. Came out nice.

So I feel your pain.

Allen

Sk

Swingman

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 2:39 PM

On 4/8/2010 2:11 PM, allen476 wrote:

> I agree with Nova on this one. I had a similar situation when we
> moved into our house. My wife found a vanity table in the attic that
> she loved. It was really beat up. She wanted me to just "strip the
> finish off and we could put a new finish on" I didn't do it for awhile
> because I knew that it would be a pain. Then it came back to haunt me
> as SWMBO wanted it to be a new desk for our daughter.

My problem with SWMBO is a bit more "weighty" ... she, being the
interior decorator the spec houses I build, purchases all the counter
top material, granite, marble, etc., therefore she is keenly aware of
each and every cutout, cutoff, and unused piece.

Thus, we have a store room full of future "table tops", some weighing as
much as 200 pounds, for which _we_ can build tables for the next couple
of lifetimes.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

nn

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 10:44 PM

On Apr 8, 5:19=A0pm, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > LMAO! Thanks for posting. Made my day.
>
> Someday I'll tell the story of the player piano, but
> it is too raw right now, it hasn't been but 9 years.

Oh, man.....

I gotta hear this one!

Robert

aa

allen476

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 2:40 PM

On Apr 8, 3:39=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/8/2010 2:11 PM, allen476 wrote:
>
> > =A0 =A0I agree with Nova on this one. I had a similar situation when we
> > moved into our house. My wife found a vanity table in the attic that
> > she loved. It was really beat up. She wanted me to just "strip the
> > finish off and we could put a new finish on" I didn't do it for awhile
> > because I knew that it would be a pain. Then it came back to haunt me
> > as SWMBO wanted it to be a new desk for our daughter.
>
> My problem with SWMBO is a bit more "weighty" ... she, being the
> interior decorator the spec houses I build, purchases all the counter
> top material, granite, marble, etc., therefore she is keenly aware of
> each and every cutout, cutoff, and unused piece.
>
> Thus, we have a store room full of future "table tops", some weighing as
> much as 200 pounds, for which _we_ can build tables for the next couple
> of lifetimes.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Well when you want help cleaning out that store room,let me
know.......Just have to remember to bring my tape measure.....I mean
gloves.....

Allen

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 9:13 AM

On Apr 8, 11:52=A0am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
> for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
> it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.
>
> The table shows up a few days later, it is a roughly
> mission style, with a white painted skirt, legs and frame,
> a piney wood top coated to look like someones idea of maple.
>
> Approximate new retail cost of about $20.
>
> I would think if I ask someone to refinish a table pro bono,
> that it wouldn't be too much trouble for it to arrive
> clean, but it showed up with dirt, grime, cobwebs and all.
> I removed the top, scrubbed the frame clean and noticed
> that one of the bottom rails is cracked.
>
> When I attempted to spread the crack a little to work some
> glue in, I finished snapping it into, good, now I can glue it
> properly, three bessie clamps later it is fairly straight
> and well clamped.
>
> Now for the top, it is only 16 x 30 and the finish appears
> quite hard, so I'm planning to sand the finish off.
> The stuff will clog up 80 grit paper almost instantly,
> finally cleared about 2 square inches down to bare wood
> after changing the paper in the palm sander 4 times.
> This isn't working, I get out the heat gun and bring the
> surface to near charring temp, the finish doesn't budge.
>
> I don't have any of nailshooters high powered strippers
> but I do have a can of kleenstrip, I apply it liberally
> and it beads on the surface like water on a freshly
> waxed car, it won't even stick to it, much less
> dissolve the finish.
>
> Time to quite fooling around, I get a cabinet scraper
> and scrap the crap off, it is at this time, I see the
> red blothes on the top and it occured to me that some
> where in Taiwan there is a chemical coating engineer
> that devised a finish that is impervious to all known
> solvents, heat and abrasion that will freely pass
> unknown red stuff to dye the surface underneath,
> he is a genius.
>
> Next day.
>
> Remove clamps from broken rail and sand down joint,
> the reason for the break becomes obvious, there is a knot
> that takes up the entire piece, apparently asian
> furniture companies never cull anything.
>
> Not willing to let well enough alone, I decided that
> putting a metal tie plate under the rail will
> reinforce the joint and possibly prevent it breaking
> again. I'm putting the last screw in the tie plate
> and it pops a hunk out of the knot. I bondo the hole
> and resand the break. Doesn't look too awful for
> something that will be painted.
>
> I turn my attention to the red spots thinking that
> possibly they can be lifted with solvent.
> Mineral spirits, lacquer thinner, denatured alcohol,
> acetone, naptha, methly ethly ketone nor
> 1,1,1 trichloroethane have any noticable effect.
> After exposing myself to most of the chemicals
> known to the State of California to cause cancer, I
> decide to stain the top a red mahoghany, hopefully
> hiding the spots.
>
> Top is finished both sides with 4 coats of rattle can
> shellac, looks good, and you can't find the red spots
> unless you hunt for them.
>
> Frame is hit lightly with 240 grit and sprayed white.
>
> SWMBO comes around and says that the tables intended
> use is a kitchen roll around, I point out that said table
> doesn't have castors and that shellac isn't the best
> finish for kitchen use, my objections are dismissed,
> family harmony is in doubt, I needed to go to the blue
> borg anyway.
>
> Cheap castors only come in three packs, marketing
> brilliance at its best, I can't wait to make that
> two legged, roll around stool, I always wanted.
>
> Next day.
>
> Put two coats of polyurethane on the top for durabilty.
>
> Drill holes for castors in legs, while installing the
> second castor a three inch long wedge of knot snaps off
> the bottom of the leg, really the Asians cull nothing.
>
> With the extra height of the castors, no one is going
> to miss three inches off the legs, remove the first
> castor and saw all the legs off three inches, redrill
> holes.
>
> Affixing the top and castors went without any more
> surprises.
>
> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk

Very entertaining story, a few laughs, a few cringes and a LOT of
similar experiences. I think we've all been caught up in projects like
this.
A good one for the back of FWW, I think.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

12/04/2010 8:44 PM

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:14 -0500, the infamous
[email protected] (Robert Bonomi) scrawled the following:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:39:53 -0500, the infamous [email protected]
>>scrawled the following:
>>
>>>I'm interested in your statement
>>>
>>>"nailshooters high powered strippers"
>>>
>>>What high powered strippers are you refering to?
>>
>>MEK, baby!
>
>That's Mandy, Evelyn, and Kristin, right?

Close, but different sisters. Methyl, Ethyl, and Ketone.
Strippers extraordinaire!

--
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir

kk

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

10/04/2010 7:13 PM

On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:39:53 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>I'm interested in your statement
>
>"nailshooters high powered strippers"
>
>What high powered strippers are you refering to?

Ones that can take the chrome off a brass pole?
<...>

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 10:00 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
>for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
>it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.
[long tale of woe elided]
>Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
>I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
>with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
>table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
>cheaper.

LMAO! Thanks for posting. Made my day.

bb

"basilisk"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 11:34 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1fdd2cac-fd85-46a5-b709-c9ac5bbde0b8@k33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 10:52 am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:

> At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
> for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
> it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.

Ahhhh.... the learning curve of refinishing. You sure got a full
dose. Unless it is a valuable hardwood, fine joinery, excellent
design, or just plain easy to get the finish off it is never a good
idea to refinish.

I have turned away a lot of work because folks "hear that I do that
kind of work" and see those idiots on cable shows refinish $35 garage
sale finds. They think it is really cheap and easy, and they feel
good because they "rescued" something.

How much time did you have in it? How much repair time did you use?
What was the cost of sandpaper, belts, stripper, rags, new respirator
filters, nitrile gloves, shellac and top coat?

You see the disbelief all over their face when you tell them $300 for
what you did. "But Robert... the TABLE only cost $35....
seriously..."

They think you are a thief. In my mind I wonder if $300 has it
covered if I wind up with what you found underneath the finish.

> Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
> I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
> with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
> table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
> cheaper.
>
> basilisk

AMEN!! Great idea! And a cheap way to help ensure domestic
tranquility.

Well, if you don't mind, I would like to share that one with a couple
of my buddies. They will get a kick out of it. You said a lot really
ironic things (the three casters was priceless!) in a pretty damn
funny way. All true. Everyone that gets caught in any of those
"honey do" projects can relate, not just the refinishing ideas.

I love it when the project arrives, they go shopping, and come back
after a grueling day of hitting the sales with a cold late lunch for
you to see if you are finished....

Great post. Really enjoyed it.

Robert

Thanks, and share away,
Usually I keep up with how much time and
money go into this sort of stuff, even when it is just
for me, but I chickened out on this one.
I don't even want to know.

basilisk

bb

"basilisk"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 5:19 PM


"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>At the urging of SWMBO, I agreed to refinish a small table
>>for a friend of hers, with the caveat that I wouldn't touch
>>it if it contained any plastic, MDF or particle board.
> [long tale of woe elided]
>>Happy wife, happy friend of wife, I think in the future
>>I will suggest throwing table away, going out to eat
>>with a stop at wally world to purchase any kind of
>>table they would like. Easier, less stressful and
>>cheaper.
>
> LMAO! Thanks for posting. Made my day.

Someday I'll tell the story of the player piano, but
it is too raw right now, it hasn't been but 9 years.

basilisk

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

09/04/2010 6:42 PM

On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 04:39:53 -0500, the infamous [email protected]
scrawled the following:

>I'm interested in your statement
>
>"nailshooters high powered strippers"
>
>What high powered strippers are you refering to?

MEK, baby!

--
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir

bb

"basilisk"

in reply to "basilisk" on 08/04/2010 10:52 AM

08/04/2010 12:52 PM


"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
<snip>
> They said no to that, just "do the best I can". Well, I did. And I melted
> through the water pipe frame. The best thing about that job was that they
> never asked me to do anything ever again. Which was fine by me.
>
It's not just welding or refinishing, people don't seem to be able to
grasp what hand work cost and when they say do the best you can
they really want first class work on items that started out at best third
class.

basilisk


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