I have an opportunity to get either a right or left hand tilting table saw.
I am right handed and the bulk of my cuts would be done on the right side of
the blade. I have heard that the left tilt would give me the advantage of a
better outside corner cut (because the point would be up). I am wondering
what comments everyone here has on the issue and what experience those that
have left tilting arbored saws?? I have done a variety of projects in the
past on my old Rockwell contractor saw - this would be a unisaw with the
intent of building the items for a cottage on the river (ie kitchen
cabinets - spirial stairway - rails - doors)
Thanks in advance for your commens
Wayne
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:12:19 -0400, "Wayne Cattanach"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have an opportunity to get either a right or left hand tilting table saw.
>I am right handed and the bulk of my cuts would be done on the right side of
>the blade. I have heard that the left tilt would give me the advantage of a
>better outside corner cut (because the point would be up). I am wondering
>what comments everyone here has on the issue and what experience those that
>have left tilting arbored saws?? I have done a variety of projects in the
>past on my old Rockwell contractor saw - this would be a unisaw with the
>intent of building the items for a cottage on the river (ie kitchen
>cabinets - spirial stairway - rails - doors)
>
>Thanks in advance for your commens
>
>Wayne
>
Tilting away from the fence is better than tilting toward it. Tilting
toward the fence makes it more prone to trapping wood and throwing it
back at the operator.
Good:
_____\_[]_____
Not so good:
_____/_[]_____
>
> I think the main advantage of a LT is that the motor acces door is to the
> left, leaving a lot of room under the right wing and extension table for
> cabinets. On a RT, the access door is on the right, so you need to leave
> 18" or so of clearance room under the wing and table to open up the door.
>
> -- Andy Barss
>
To me, Andy's observation is the most important/beneficial. I have the
RT Unisaw with the 52" fence and can only fit a cabinet with about 12"
of width under the extension table and still have plenty of room for the
mobile base lever and motor door opening. A LT would only need the few
inches required for the tilt crank.
-Bruce
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"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bob G. <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>> That said if you use a dado blade alot...go with a right tilt...
>
> Care to expand on your comment regarding the dado use?
Many saws have great rip fences that you can depend on when it comes to
repeatability on set up. Basically, you can depend on the rule to indicate
the distance from the blade. This is true until you change the width of the
blade on a left tilt saw.
On a right tilt saw the arbor flange that the blade slides up against will
always be at the same position on the right side of the blade. Adding a
dado blade with multiple chippers will make the cut wider but the right side
of the cut will always be in the same location. The blades stack to the
left.
On a left tilt blade that arbor flange is on the left side of the blade. If
you use a thicker kerf blade or stack dado blades for a wider cut, the right
side of the cut will move towards the fence. As a result the acuracy of the
rule on the fence will be gone. With a right tilt saw you can count on the
fence rule to always be accurate. With a left tilt the change in width of
cut will make the rule on the fence inacurate. In that case, use a tape
measure or ruler to set the fence.
.
>
>FWIW I had a MGB for eight years that had knock off nuts on wire wheels.
>One side of the car had right hand threads and the other left hand. There
>were arrows on the hub to remind you. I still found myself banging on those
>the wrong way. On my weedwacker, the line hub has left hand threads and,
>again, I forget and get MTH trying to get that thing off. Well ...my point
>is my left hand tilt has RIGHT hand threads on the arbor nut. That feature
>alone would be enough to convince me to buy a left tilt.
>
>Larry
>
==================================
Lol....
Larry I have a Mid year Corvette (64) that has a set of original
Kelsey Hays Knock Off Wheels...
And to be honest the last time I let anyone take off a wheel was 30+
years ago.... Kids (at tire dealers anyway) today do not know how to
read an arrow... !!!!! Plus they do notr know how to use the "lead"
hammer ...
I just put the car up on a lift and remove all the wheels toss them in
my truck and deliver them to the tire store and WATCH the kid mount
the new tires... come home and grab the hammer and install them
myself.
.
Bob
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:25:36 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Bob G. <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>> That said if you use a dado blade alot...go with a right tilt...
>>
>> Care to expand on your comment regarding the dado use?
>
>Many saws have great rip fences that you can depend on when it comes to
>repeatability on set up. Basically, you can depend on the rule to indicate
>the distance from the blade. This is true until you change the width of the
>blade on a left tilt saw.
>On a right tilt saw the arbor flange that the blade slides up against will
>always be at the same position on the right side of the blade. Adding a
>dado blade with multiple chippers will make the cut wider but the right side
>of the cut will always be in the same location. The blades stack to the
>left.
>On a left tilt blade that arbor flange is on the left side of the blade. If
>you use a thicker kerf blade or stack dado blades for a wider cut, the right
>side of the cut will move towards the fence. As a result the acuracy of the
>rule on the fence will be gone. With a right tilt saw you can count on the
>fence rule to always be accurate. With a left tilt the change in width of
>cut will make the rule on the fence inacurate. In that case, use a tape
>measure or ruler to set the fence.
>
>
==============================================
Thank you for doing the EXPANSION on why I recommended a right tilt
saw IF the original poster did a lot of work with Dado blades...
Bob G.
"Charlie Mraz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some very good points to consider here, I'd just like to add that my
> DW746,
> a left-tilt saw, has the bevel crank on the left of the machine and the
> motor cover on the right.
Yeah, there will be exceptions to a lot of "hybrids" and a few other saws,
IIRC some General Or Powermatic cabinet saws have the motor door at the rear
and or front of the saw.
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:ccW3d.20954$wV.14867@attbi_s54:
<snip>
> Well ...my point is my left hand tilt has RIGHT hand
> threads on the arbor nut. That feature alone would be enough to
> convince me to buy a left tilt.
>
I hadn't thought about that. Blade changing is much easier for me, because
I don't tend to drop the arbor nut down the saw throat as much, right
handed.
Patriarch
Bob G. <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> That said if you use a dado blade alot...go with a right tilt...
Care to expand on your comment regarding the dado use?
Patriarch,
who's just curious...
"J" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Try standing on the outfeed side of the table next time. It really is
> easier.
>
Except for the outfeed table, and the splitter, and the way the light hits
it. And I bought the left tilt saw.
But, other than that, that's a good tip.
> Either wait for Leon's great analysis or google up "+ right +left +tilt"
>
> -Doug
What Doug Said!
I would add that I used a left tilt for 25 years or so. When time came to
upgrade to a cabinet saw, I agonized over the left - right tilt question and
decided to convert to right tilt. After using the saw for a week or two I
forgot about the difference.
>
>I would add that I used a left tilt for 25 years or so. When time came to
>upgrade to a cabinet saw, I agonized over the left - right tilt question and
>decided to convert to right tilt. After using the saw for a week or two I
>forgot about the difference.
>
=============================
I agree...6 of 1 half dozen of the other...in the end there is no
difference...
I own and still use both. and honestly for 99.5 percent of my usage
both saws are absolutely equal...
That said if you use a dado blade alot...go with a right tilt...if you
do a lot of beveled rip cuts they go left tilt... otherwise buy what
the store has in stock or flip a coin...
Bob Griffiths .
"Bob G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>I would add that I used a left tilt for 25 years or so. When time came to
>>upgrade to a cabinet saw, I agonized over the left - right tilt question
>>and
>>decided to convert to right tilt. After using the saw for a week or two I
>>forgot about the difference.
>>
> =============================
> I agree...6 of 1 half dozen of the other...in the end there is no
> difference...
FWIW I had a MGB for eight years that had knock off nuts on wire wheels.
One side of the car had right hand threads and the other left hand. There
were arrows on the hub to remind you. I still found myself banging on those
the wrong way. On my weedwacker, the line hub has left hand threads and,
again, I forget and get MTH trying to get that thing off. Well ...my point
is my left hand tilt has RIGHT hand threads on the arbor nut. That feature
alone would be enough to convince me to buy a left tilt.
Larry
Wayne Cattanach <[email protected]> wrote:
: I have an opportunity to get either a right or left hand tilting table saw.
: I am right handed and the bulk of my cuts would be done on the right side of
: the blade. I have heard that the left tilt would give me the advantage of a
: better outside corner cut (because the point would be up). I am wondering
: what comments everyone here has on the issue and what experience those that
: have left tilting arbored saws?? I have done a variety of projects in the
: past on my old Rockwell contractor saw - this would be a unisaw with the
: intent of building the items for a cottage on the river (ie kitchen
: cabinets - spirial stairway - rails - doors)
Left-tilt has a mild advantage for cutting bevels -- you leave the fence
to the right of the blade, and the waste strip doesn't get caught between
the blade and fence. On a RT, you need to pick the fence up and move it
to the left side of the fence for this, which takes a few seconds.
(Trapping the waste piece under the balde and between the blade and fgence
can cause kickback).
I think the main advantage of a LT is that the motor acces door is to the
left, leaving a lot of room under the right wing and extension table for
cabinets. On a RT, the access door is on the right, so you need to leave
18" or so of clearance room under the wing and table to open up the door.
-- Andy Barss
"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:ccW3d.20954$wV.14867@attbi_s54:
>
> <snip>
> > Well ...my point is my left hand tilt has RIGHT hand
> > threads on the arbor nut. That feature alone would be enough to
> > convince me to buy a left tilt.
> >
> I hadn't thought about that. Blade changing is much easier for me,
because
> I don't tend to drop the arbor nut down the saw throat as much, right
> handed.
>
> Patriarch
Try standing on the outfeed side of the table next time. It really is
easier.
-J
Some very good points to consider here, I'd just like to add that my DW746,
a left-tilt saw, has the bevel crank on the left of the machine and the
motor cover on the right.
Charlie
> 1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned
with
> your Right hand.
>
> 2. Left tilt can rip a narrow bevel with out having to move the fence to
the
> left side of the blade.
>
> 3. Left tilt allows the blade arbor nut to be removed with your right
hand.
>
> 4. Left tilt allows your to remove the arbor nut and turn it in the
> direction that you would expect.
>
> 5. With a Left tilt, when both edges of a board are beveled, the sharp
point
> of the
> bevel is up on the fence when cutting the second bevel as opposed to the
> bottom of the fence where it might slip under.
>
> 6. RIGHT tilt if you are left handed. The bevel wheel is on the left side
of
> the saw.
>
> 7. RIGHT tilt if you "must" use the fence distance indicator when using a
> stacked dado blade set. The blades stack left, away from the fence. The
> indicator remains accurate. On the left tilt, the blades stack towards the
> fence and makes the indicator inaccurate. In this case use a tape measure
to
> set the fence distance.
>
> 8. RIGHT tilt allows you to remove the arbor nut with your left hand but
the
> nut must be turned clockwise to loosen. Bassackwards to normalcy.
>
> If considering a cabinet saw, with wide 50" rip capacity.
>
> The Left tilt will most often afford you the most storage room under the
> right table extension. The RIGHT tilt has an access door in that location
> that will demand room to open. The left tilt allows you to have access to
> the motor and or the insides of the cabinet from the more open left side
of
> the saw with out having to crawl under the right extension table. Very
nice
> if you ever happen to drop the arbor nut inside the cabinet. If you are
> considering getting a replacement saw and considering going to the
opposite
> tilt this time consider that the miter slots may not be the same distance
> from the blade when comparing a left to right tilt saw. This may or may
not
> be of concern but something to consider.
>
>
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:12:20 -0600, BruceR <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think the main advantage of a LT is that the motor acces door is to the
>> left, leaving a lot of room under the right wing and extension table for
>> cabinets. On a RT, the access door is on the right, so you need to leave
>> 18" or so of clearance room under the wing and table to open up the door.
>>
>> -- Andy Barss
>>
>
>To me, Andy's observation is the most important/beneficial. I have the
>RT Unisaw with the 52" fence and can only fit a cabinet with about 12"
>of width under the extension table and still have plenty of room for the
> mobile base lever and motor door opening. A LT would only need the few
>inches required for the tilt crank.
>
>
>-Bruce
>
>
and your hand to operate it, but yeah.
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:12:19 -0400, Wayne Cattanach wrote:
> I have an opportunity to get either a right or left hand tilting table
> saw. I am right handed and the bulk of my cuts would be done on the right
> side of the blade. I have heard that the left tilt would give me the
> advantage of a better outside corner cut (because the point would be up).
> I am wondering what comments everyone here has on the issue and what
> experience those that have left tilting arbored saws?? I have done a
> variety of projects in the past on my old Rockwell contractor saw - this
> would be a unisaw with the intent of building the items for a cottage on
> the river (ie kitchen cabinets - spirial stairway - rails - doors)
Either wait for Leon's great analysis or google up "+ right +left +tilt"
-Doug
PS: I'd go for the left tilt - but that's just a righty speaking.
--
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples
then you and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these
ideas,then each of us will have two ideas" George B. Shaw
Thank you Doug.. ;~)
;~) The single most asked question in this group that I paste this rubber
stamp answer to.
Both saws will make all the same cuts. Some easier on the left tilt, some
easier on the right tilt. Strictly personal preference. But if you need to
be steered one way or the other,
Advantages:
Are you right handed?
Get the left tilt.
1. Left tilt has the bevel wheel on the right side and is easily turned with
your Right hand.
2. Left tilt can rip a narrow bevel with out having to move the fence to the
left side of the blade.
3. Left tilt allows the blade arbor nut to be removed with your right hand.
4. Left tilt allows your to remove the arbor nut and turn it in the
direction that you would expect.
5. With a Left tilt, when both edges of a board are beveled, the sharp point
of the
bevel is up on the fence when cutting the second bevel as opposed to the
bottom of the fence where it might slip under.
6. RIGHT tilt if you are left handed. The bevel wheel is on the left side of
the saw.
7. RIGHT tilt if you "must" use the fence distance indicator when using a
stacked dado blade set. The blades stack left, away from the fence. The
indicator remains accurate. On the left tilt, the blades stack towards the
fence and makes the indicator inaccurate. In this case use a tape measure to
set the fence distance.
8. RIGHT tilt allows you to remove the arbor nut with your left hand but the
nut must be turned clockwise to loosen. Bassackwards to normalcy.
If considering a cabinet saw, with wide 50" rip capacity.
The Left tilt will most often afford you the most storage room under the
right table extension. The RIGHT tilt has an access door in that location
that will demand room to open. The left tilt allows you to have access to
the motor and or the insides of the cabinet from the more open left side of
the saw with out having to crawl under the right extension table. Very nice
if you ever happen to drop the arbor nut inside the cabinet. If you are
considering getting a replacement saw and considering going to the opposite
tilt this time consider that the miter slots may not be the same distance
from the blade when comparing a left to right tilt saw. This may or may not
be of concern but something to consider.