On 3/28/2013 2:42 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 27, 6:04 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Heck just last week I use the machine alone to unclog the ter'lit!
>
> LMAO!!!
>
> I guess that's OK as long as you realize that the dark brown chips
> floating around in there may not have actually been Dominoes....
>
> I am down building about 2 - 3 cabinets or fixtures a year now as
> almost all of my business is upgrades or repairs. Try as I might, I
> can't justify that machine. I still build my cabs the old way of
> carcass, rail and stile frame, attachment with a minimum amount of
> brads, glue on screen moldings (held with painter's tape until dry),
> half lap drawer joints with backs and bottoms mortised in, and screw
> on drawer faces on to finish after drawer installation.
>
> I make either simple lap joints on the doors (never had a full lap
> fail) at my router table for panel doors, or if I need a raised panel
> I go see Ruiz cabinets and he will make me paint grade doors and paint
> grade door faces for about what I would have in materials. Not to
> mention time...
>
> Since most of these are either display shelving for kitchens or dens,
> or odd shaped bath vanities, that's all the cabinet work I get. And
> being what they are and where they are going, they are almost always
> painted these days. So any of my brad holes disappear with a tiny bit
> of filler when primed and painted.
>
> I keep trying to squeeze that Domino machine in there, but no luck.
>
> At one time I was a huge fan of dowels. I had my eye on a "dual
> doweling" machine that was out for a long time. The machine was no
> more than a biscuit machine that drilled two holes at the same time
> instead of inletting for a biscuit. You set it up like a biscuit
> machine and it looked like one with the same arrangements and
> adjustments. The machines were quite solid, made somewhere in
> Europe. I saw it at one of those traveling woodworking shows that
> used to come around from time to time to demo and sell tools. The
> catch to this machine was that it only drilled 1/4" or 3/8" holes,
> from two to three inches apart. Of course, you could put as many
> dowels in a project as you liked, though. The accuracy and ability to
> mate holes on different pieces was really spot on, though.
>
> I saw them on closeout somewhere for about 200 bucks and didn't buy
> one. Wish I had now. Never seen one since.
>
> Robert
>
Yeah, the Domino's are better suited for the discriminating custom
furniture buyers.
I think Freud made that machine you mentioned. IIRC I first saw it
shortly after the Domino was introduced.
http://www.handyshardware.com/2523_page_442330.htm
On Mar 26, 5:57=A0pm, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> So what are you saying Robert, that Leon should win the Festool Domino
> user of the year award, and receive even more Dominos? =A0 But wouldn't
> Festool go under if they gave them to him for free?
>
> --
> Jeff
Actually, I haven't ever seen anyone, anywhere put the Domino to more
practical use. His drawers (no, not the ones his sits on...) are
still very unique and quite sturdy when assembled from Dominoes. I
don't know anyone that has even copied that method yet. So my comment
was made as a compliment as well.
But on the other hand, I am not sure Festool could actually affordt to
give him the Dominoes he uses for free. I have heard now that he uses
the machines for gardening, auto repair, and even made Sunday dinner
with it someway a few weeks ago.... ;^)
Robert
Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
it was designed on SketchUp!
Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
as many Dominoes as you have.
Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
Robert
On 3/30/2013 11:23 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> I mentioned the possibility of saw haulage because I'm considering
>> renting a trailer for the trip up to LR for that bath remodel.
>>
>
> Please get an inland marine policy on your tools that will be in the
> trailer. Try to park the back end up against a building or utility pole.
>
> Not a month goes by where I don't read on facebook about some band
> having their trailer stolen. Where talking a trailer with hardened steel
> hitch locks and those parking enforcement wheel boots that cities use to
> disable vehicles.
Yep. Being both a musician, with 50+ years of touring (via van, tour
bus, trailer, car and truck) under his belt, I'm well known, a thousand
times over, for walking into restaurants carrying my bass; and have even
been known to frequent a few construction sites ... so rest at ease. :)
Besides, I only rent "one-way" for these type jobs, it's only a 7 hour
drive, so no tools stored in trucks or trailers, ever.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On Mar 28, 8:12=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> I think Freud made that machine you mentioned. =A0IIRC I first saw it
> shortly after the Domino was introduced.
>
> http://www.handyshardware.com/2523_page_442330.htm
Wow, I did not know those were made anymore. I don't think I would
buy one now, though. I know they quit making them as they were going
to give the machine an overhaul, but I can't find any valid reviews on
the new model machine.
What I did find was some YouTube vids of guys using the machine.
Repeatability or not, the machine looks like a PITA to use as the
guys using it in the videos look like they are wrestling an
alligator. I don't know if that is them or the machine. If it is the
machine, there is no way that thing would be practical for more than a
few dowels here and there. No heavy duty all day work like the
Domino.
I never know what to think about the videos posted on different
machines. Since everyone with a credit card can temporarily purchase
a machine that owns a video camera is now an expert. Sadly, they
review tools without learning how to use them in many instances.
Robert
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I think Freud made that machine you mentioned. IIRC I first saw it
> shortly after the Domino was introduced.
>
> http://www.handyshardware.com/2523_page_442330.htm
Wow, I did not know those were made anymore. I don't think I would
buy one now, though. I know they quit making them as they were going
to give the machine an overhaul, but I can't find any valid reviews on
the new model machine.
I never know what to think about the videos posted on different
machines. Since everyone with a credit card can temporarily purchase
a machine that owns a video camera is now an expert. Sadly, they
review tools without learning how to use them in many instances.
=====================================
Purely personal prejudice.
Freud does a great job on cutting devices, power tools, not so much.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5155c442$0$63573
[email protected]:
>
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>> I am investigating possibilities.
> =====================================
> So rent a freaking truck.
> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Forget the truck. 1500 mile round trip is bound to run in to some wet
weather, especially in spring. Use a minivan with the seats removed.
You may have to do some disassembly to get the saw in there, but there's
plenty of space once you get it in the door. (Sometimes I think they
start with a 4x8 sheet of plywood then build around it.)
I'd hate to be caught in a thunderstorm with the only thing protecting
the saw being a tarp.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Bill wrote:
>
> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
> I am investigating possibilities.
=====================================
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> So rent a freaking truck.
> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
------------------------------------------------
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> Forget the truck. 1500 mile round trip is bound to run in to some
> wet
> weather, especially in spring. Use a minivan with the seats
> removed.
> You may have to do some disassembly to get the saw in there, but
> there's
> plenty of space once you get it in the door. (Sometimes I think
> they
> start with a 4x8 sheet of plywood then build around it.)
>
> I'd hate to be caught in a thunderstorm with the only thing
> protecting
> the saw being a tarp.
---------------------------------------------------------
What kind are truck are you thinking about?
I'd want a lockable box van.
It's going to be a 3 day round trip.
No way do I want that load exposed to either the weather or
possible thieves.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:51562a80$0$33769
[email protected]:
>
>
> Bill wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>> I am investigating possibilities.
> =====================================
>
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> So rent a freaking truck.
>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
> ------------------------------------------------
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Forget the truck. 1500 mile round trip is bound to run in to some
>> wet
>> weather, especially in spring. Use a minivan with the seats
>> removed.
>> You may have to do some disassembly to get the saw in there, but
>> there's
>> plenty of space once you get it in the door. (Sometimes I think
>> they
>> start with a 4x8 sheet of plywood then build around it.)
>>
>> I'd hate to be caught in a thunderstorm with the only thing
>> protecting
>> the saw being a tarp.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> What kind are truck are you thinking about?
>
> I'd want a lockable box van.
>
> It's going to be a 3 day round trip.
>
> No way do I want that load exposed to either the weather or
> possible thieves.
>
>
> Lew
>
I'm thinking about the typical pickup. The box van would be a good way
to go. Probably easier to load than the minivan, and lots of room for a
detour through Springfield MO if Bill's thinking of getting any big iron
from Grizzly. (Oh and be sure to stop in Ozark or Sikeston, MO for
lunch/dinner. This time of year, the wait won't be too bad. Hey roll
guy!)
Puckdropper
--
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Bill wrote:
>> I visited Grizzly and attended the Ozark Old Time Musical Festival
>> while
>> in the area last summer.
>> I decided to replace a stud behind my drywall, so I'm still
>> configuring. After I do that, I'll finish my drywall, paint, and
>> hopefully
>> hang a few lamps in May and June. I've got a few small ww projects
>> I
>> might try while I'm playing around with that.
>> In the meantime, my TV Stand drawing could be redrawn. I should
>> probably re-examine Swingman's photographs to remind myself
>> what quality cabinetwork looks like! : )
===========================================
"woodchucker" wrote:
> Bill I have a full time job, run a volleyball program, work
> ridiculous hours on the weekends at times, and still if I replaced a
> stud, it would be closed up that day or within a few days.. (the
> first time I get free time).. not May or June..
>
> Stop spending so much time thinking. Spend more time DOING. Putting
> a patch of sheetrock takes a few minutes. Spread some mud, tape, let
> dry.
>
> Spread some more let dry.
> Damn Bill..
=============================================
"DOING" costs MONEY, "THINKING" does not.
Bill could have invited SWMBO to ride shotgun and turned
picking up a saw into a "quickie" vacation, but that isn't going to
happen.
It would cost MONEY.
Lew
Lew
Lew
"Swingman" wrote:
> And/or the self-employed ... don't think I've had but two days off
> this month, and will work both today and tomorrow to finish two
> projects this week, one a bath vanity replacement that I will haul
> to Little Rock the second week of April, but need to have it ready
> by tomorrow to put a couple of coats of BIN on it before that trip.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem for us.
<G>
You run the way you do because deep down, you allow yourself to
operate that way.
BTW, I used to be a type "A" like you, but a generous amount of time
spent sailing solved that problem.
It's hard to get excited about much when you operate in the 5
mile/hour
world.
Lew
"Swingman" wrote:
>
> Painfully obvious that people don't pay you to make their dreams
> comes true.
----------------------------------------------------------------
My customers don't have dreams about their projects, but rather
lookimg
for ways to keep their rear ends employed by providing guaranteed
engineered solutions to solve process applications the first time.
Industrial market is a whole different world.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "DOING" costs MONEY, "THINKING" does not.
----------------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Bill could have invited SWMBO to ride shotgun and turned
>> picking up a saw into a "quickie" vacation, but that isn't going
>> to
>> happen.
>>
>> It would cost MONEY.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"Bill" wrote:
> Yes, TIME, MONEY, and a certain amount of risk. And, your point
> is?
------------------------------------------------------------
Come now, you need an explanation of the obvious?
Lew
On Monday, March 25, 2013 7:06:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=63gJAQm9fC0&NR=1
I bought the plans from this guy a couple of days before I got my steal on the real deal. Plans suffer a bit in translation, but the construction is well documented and the drawings are pretty complete.
Larry
On 3/28/2013 5:16 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> BTW, Know any one that might want to buy my Jet Cabinet saw?
>>
>>
>
> Me, but unless you know of someone already planning to drive to Indiana,
> the cost of shipping would probably be prohibitive. : (
> Location, location, location!
How far are you willing/able to drive? I will be starting a remodel in
Little Rock AR in the second week of April, almost 1/2 of the way to
Indianapolis from Houston. Indianapolis to LR is about 9 hour drive, IIRC.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 3/30/2013 2:13 AM, Bill wrote:
> I visited Grizzly and attended the Ozark Old Time Musical Festival while
> in the area last summer.
> I decided to replace a stud behind my drywall, so I'm still
> configuring. After I do that, I'll finish my drywall, paint, and hopefully
> hang a few lamps in May and June. I've got a few small ww projects I
> might try while I'm playing around with that.
> In the meantime, my TV Stand drawing could be redrawn. I should
> probably re-examine Swingman's photographs to remind myself
> what quality cabinetwork looks like! : )
>
> I think sometimes retired people forget what it's like to have to be
> somewhere because of a job! : )
> My dad used to say that about his dad. "Just come on out", his dad would
> say to him (so I was told).
>
> Bill
>
Bill I have a full time job, run a volleyball program, work ridiculous
hours on the weekends at times, and still if I replaced a stud, it would
be closed up that day or within a few days.. (the first time I get free
time).. not May or June..
Stop spending so much time thinking. Spend more time DOING. Putting a
patch of sheetrock takes a few minutes. Spread some mud, tape, let dry.
Spread some more let dry.
Damn Bill..
--
Jeff
'Leon[_7_ Wrote:
> ;3036714']On 3/26/2013 3:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:-
> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
> it was designed on SketchUp!
>
> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>
> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
> as many Dominoes as you have.
>
> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>
> Robert
> -
>
> There is another video of the tool, I'll see if I can post it. It is
> basically a point at the feature and demonstrate type video. It gets a
>
> bit monotonous but IIRC there was a reference to the drawing IIRC. It
> looked exactly like Sketchup at first glance.
>
> I was intrigued by the Russian build it your self version. It certainly
>
> has its limitations with size being the biggest draw back.
>
> Then again it looks like it could give the newer larger Domino a run for
>
> its money with its greater depth capacity.
>
> I went "Whew" a couple of days ago when I needed to fit the front
> handle/depth gauge portion of the fence into an opening 2`5/8" high to
> cut some mortises. I suppose I could have removed the actual knob and
> gotten into an even tighter spot. I was attaching the face frame to the
>
> cubby/in/out box on the desk top cabinet.
>
> I suspect many of the Domino owners would use the tool more if they were
>
> selling their work. Your home can only hold so much of your stuff.
> :~)
>
> I will say that the Domino has all but replaced the Kreg pocket holes
> that I used to use with reckless abandon.
Hi Leon,
This is my first post!
I was considering a Kreg pocket hole jig, mainly because, as I
understand it, the assembly method does not require cramping! Whereas,
using a 'domino' you would need to glue & cramp-up!
Is this the case?
TIA, Dave
--
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'Leon[_7_ Wrote:
> ;3037518']On 3/27/2013 1:46 PM, Daveboy777 wrote:-
> 'Leon[_7_ Wrote:-
> ;3036714']On 3/26/2013 3:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:-
> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
> it was designed on SketchUp!
>
> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>
> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
> as many Dominoes as you have.
>
> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>
> Robert
> -
>
> There is another video of the tool, I'll see if I can post it. It is
> basically a point at the feature and demonstrate type video. It gets
> a
>
> bit monotonous but IIRC there was a reference to the drawing IIRC. It
> looked exactly like Sketchup at first glance.
>
> I was intrigued by the Russian build it your self version. It
> certainly
>
> has its limitations with size being the biggest draw back.
>
> Then again it looks like it could give the newer larger Domino a run
> for
>
> its money with its greater depth capacity.
>
> I went "Whew" a couple of days ago when I needed to fit the front
> handle/depth gauge portion of the fence into an opening 2`5/8" high to
> cut some mortises. I suppose I could have removed the actual knob and
> gotten into an even tighter spot. I was attaching the face frame to
> the
>
> cubby/in/out box on the desk top cabinet.
>
> I suspect many of the Domino owners would use the tool more if they
> were
>
> selling their work. Your home can only hold so much of your stuff.
> :~)
>
> I will say that the Domino has all but replaced the Kreg pocket holes
> that I used to use with reckless abandon.-
>
> Hi Leon,
> This is my first post!
> I was considering a Kreg pocket hole jig, mainly because, as I
> understand it, the assembly method does not require cramping! Whereas,
> using a 'domino' you would need to glue & cramp-up!
> Is this the case?
> TIA, Dave-
>
>
> Dave that is correct! The Kreg pocket hole jig is a very inexpensive
> way to join pieces of wood and provides a strong joint.
>
> But it does leave a rather large hole. But given that the Kreg brand
> screws are excellent screws and not badly priced especially in large
> quantities. FWIW I use the pocket hole screws for many other
> applications other than in pocket holes.
Thanks for your reply Leon.
I may have some Domino questions in the future!! Dave
--
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On 3/28/2013 12:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 28, 8:12 am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> I think Freud made that machine you mentioned. IIRC I first saw it
>> shortly after the Domino was introduced.
>>
>> http://www.handyshardware.com/2523_page_442330.htm
>
> Wow, I did not know those were made anymore. I don't think I would
> buy one now, though. I know they quit making them as they were going
> to give the machine an overhaul, but I can't find any valid reviews on
> the new model machine.
>
> What I did find was some YouTube vids of guys using the machine.
> Repeatability or not, the machine looks like a PITA to use as the
> guys using it in the videos look like they are wrestling an
> alligator. I don't know if that is them or the machine. If it is the
> machine, there is no way that thing would be practical for more than a
> few dowels here and there. No heavy duty all day work like the
> Domino.
>
> I never know what to think about the videos posted on different
> machines. Since everyone with a credit card can temporarily purchase
> a machine that owns a video camera is now an expert. Sadly, they
> review tools without learning how to use them in many instances.
>
> Robert
>
There are a bunch of clowns out there doing the youtube video thing.
I was searching for SawStop videos and the young guy appears to not know
what the heck he should buy. He has a barn with a several new machines
including an Industrial SawStop and his video was probably done with an
iPhone. Well he was blowing his whistle about his new SawStop which he
chose over a Powermatic. He liked the Powermatic because he had use one
before but bought the SawStop. A few weeks later he has a video which
he is now trying to sell the SawStop because her really needs a panel
cutting saw. Seems to me if you are going to drop money like that you
would do more research to start with to determine what you really need.
He is probably going in to the bird house business. ;~)
BTW, Know any one that might want to buy my Jet Cabinet saw?
On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
> it was designed on SketchUp!
>
> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>
> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
> as many Dominoes as you have.
>
> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>
> Robert
>
So what are you saying Robert, that Leon should win the Festool Domino
user of the year award, and receive even more Dominos? But wouldn't
Festool go under if they gave them to him for free?
--
Jeff
On 3/26/2013 3:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
> it was designed on SketchUp!
>
> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>
> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
> as many Dominoes as you have.
>
> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>
> Robert
>
There is another video of the tool, I'll see if I can post it. It is
basically a point at the feature and demonstrate type video. It gets a
bit monotonous but IIRC there was a reference to the drawing IIRC. It
looked exactly like Sketchup at first glance.
I was intrigued by the Russian build it your self version. It certainly
has its limitations with size being the biggest draw back.
Then again it looks like it could give the newer larger Domino a run for
its money with its greater depth capacity.
I went "Whew" a couple of days ago when I needed to fit the front
handle/depth gauge portion of the fence into an opening 2`5/8" high to
cut some mortises. I suppose I could have removed the actual knob and
gotten into an even tighter spot. I was attaching the face frame to the
cubby/in/out box on the desk top cabinet.
I suspect many of the Domino owners would use the tool more if they were
selling their work. Your home can only hold so much of your stuff. :~)
I will say that the Domino has all but replaced the Kreg pocket holes
that I used to use with reckless abandon.
dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>On 3/29/2013 11:41 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>>> I am investigating possibilities.
>> =====================================
>> So rent a freaking truck.
>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>
>Or a trailer's even cheaper for such a small load.
>
>Will need to have a way to arrange to make the swap, however...not sure
>just how heavy the Jetsaur is.
468 pounds.
Don't forget the $250 in gas for 1200 mile round-trip.
scott
On 3/27/2013 10:35 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 26, 5:57 pm, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So what are you saying Robert, that Leon should win the Festool Domino
>> user of the year award, and receive even more Dominos? But wouldn't
>> Festool go under if they gave them to him for free?
>>
>> --
>> Jeff
>
> Actually, I haven't ever seen anyone, anywhere put the Domino to more
> practical use. His drawers (no, not the ones his sits on...) are
> still very unique and quite sturdy when assembled from Dominoes. I
> don't know anyone that has even copied that method yet. So my comment
> was made as a compliment as well.
>
> But on the other hand, I am not sure Festool could actually affordt to
> give him the Dominoes he uses for free. I have heard now that he uses
> the machines for gardening, auto repair, and even made Sunday dinner
> with it someway a few weeks ago.... ;^)
>
> Robert
>
Heck just last week I use the machine alone to unclog the ter'lit!
On 3/29/2013 12:07 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 3/29/2013 11:41 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>>> I am investigating possibilities.
>> =====================================
>> So rent a freaking truck.
>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>
> Or a trailer's even cheaper for such a small load.
>
> Will need to have a way to arrange to make the swap, however...not sure
> just how heavy the Jetsaur is.
>
> --
With the mobile base and the storage platform and the 15 roller out feed
figure around 600 lbs.
On 3/26/2013 5:57 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
>> it was designed on SketchUp!
>>
>> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
>> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
>> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>>
>> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
>> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
>> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
>> as many Dominoes as you have.
>>
>> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>>
>> Robert
>>
> So what are you saying Robert, that Leon should win the Festool Domino
> user of the year award, and receive even more Dominos? But wouldn't
> Festool go under if they gave them to him for free?
>
Domino's are cheap. Actually the 5mm Domino's are about one penny each
more expensive than a #20 biscuit.
On Mar 29, 11:46=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Purely personal prejudice.
>
> Freud does a great job on cutting devices, power tools, not so much.
Not sure when Freud made the leap from second tier cutting instruments
to top tier, but I must have blinked and missed it.
About 10 or 12 years ago I started buying those thin red blades for
circular saws they sell. They are without doubt the best circular saw
blades I have ever used, and they can still be bought for 10 to 15
bucks depending on what you are buying.
I have my circular saws graded and have one for regular use, hard use,
and cabinet use. The Makita I use on cabinets will actually leave a
smooth finish on a board when used to rip material if I am using a
guide. Until that blade came out, I had never seen rip cuts from a
circular saw so smooth.
I have found that they don't last well when used by my ninja warriors,
but there are still plenty of utility value $5 blades out there for
them.
Robert
On Mar 27, 6:04=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> Heck just last week I use the machine alone to unclog the ter'lit!
LMAO!!!
I guess that's OK as long as you realize that the dark brown chips
floating around in there may not have actually been Dominoes....
I am down building about 2 - 3 cabinets or fixtures a year now as
almost all of my business is upgrades or repairs. Try as I might, I
can't justify that machine. I still build my cabs the old way of
carcass, rail and stile frame, attachment with a minimum amount of
brads, glue on screen moldings (held with painter's tape until dry),
half lap drawer joints with backs and bottoms mortised in, and screw
on drawer faces on to finish after drawer installation.
I make either simple lap joints on the doors (never had a full lap
fail) at my router table for panel doors, or if I need a raised panel
I go see Ruiz cabinets and he will make me paint grade doors and paint
grade door faces for about what I would have in materials. Not to
mention time...
Since most of these are either display shelving for kitchens or dens,
or odd shaped bath vanities, that's all the cabinet work I get. And
being what they are and where they are going, they are almost always
painted these days. So any of my brad holes disappear with a tiny bit
of filler when primed and painted.
I keep trying to squeeze that Domino machine in there, but no luck.
At one time I was a huge fan of dowels. I had my eye on a "dual
doweling" machine that was out for a long time. The machine was no
more than a biscuit machine that drilled two holes at the same time
instead of inletting for a biscuit. You set it up like a biscuit
machine and it looked like one with the same arrangements and
adjustments. The machines were quite solid, made somewhere in
Europe. I saw it at one of those traveling woodworking shows that
used to come around from time to time to demo and sell tools. The
catch to this machine was that it only drilled 1/4" or 3/8" holes,
from two to three inches apart. Of course, you could put as many
dowels in a project as you liked, though. The accuracy and ability to
mate holes on different pieces was really spot on, though.
I saw them on closeout somewhere for about 200 bucks and didn't buy
one. Wish I had now. Never seen one since.
Robert
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:51562a80$0$33769
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>>> I am investigating possibilities.
>> =====================================
>>
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> So rent a freaking truck.
>>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>>
>>> Forget the truck. 1500 mile round trip is bound to run in to some
>>> wet
>>> weather, especially in spring. Use a minivan with the seats
>>> removed.
>>> You may have to do some disassembly to get the saw in there, but
>>> there's
>>> plenty of space once you get it in the door. (Sometimes I think
>>> they
>>> start with a 4x8 sheet of plywood then build around it.)
>>>
>>> I'd hate to be caught in a thunderstorm with the only thing
>>> protecting
>>> the saw being a tarp.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> What kind are truck are you thinking about?
>>
>> I'd want a lockable box van.
>>
>> It's going to be a 3 day round trip.
>>
>> No way do I want that load exposed to either the weather or
>> possible thieves.
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> I'm thinking about the typical pickup. The box van would be a good way
> to go. Probably easier to load than the minivan, and lots of room for a
> detour through Springfield MO if Bill's thinking of getting any big iron
> from Grizzly. (Oh and be sure to stop in Ozark or Sikeston, MO for
> lunch/dinner. This time of year, the wait won't be too bad. Hey roll
> guy!)
>
> Puckdropper
Swingman and I have moved both of our cabinet saws a few times, we used a
box van with a lift gate each time. Piece of cake. The saws are longer
than the lift gate so we rolled the saw into the gate and let the right end
of the table hang out over the back side of the gate. It is light enough
for one of us to control as it is lifted or lowered. Both of our saws are
on mobile bases.
Swingman wrote:
> On 3/28/2013 5:16 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> BTW, Know any one that might want to buy my Jet Cabinet saw?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Me, but unless you know of someone already planning to drive to Indiana,
>> the cost of shipping would probably be prohibitive. : (
>> Location, location, location!
>
> How far are you willing/able to drive? I will be starting a remodel in
> Little Rock AR in the second week of April, almost 1/2 of the way to
> Indianapolis from Houston. Indianapolis to LR is about 9 hour drive,
> IIRC.
>
Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600 miles
to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
I am investigating possibilities.
Bill
On 3/29/2013 11:41 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>> I am investigating possibilities.
> =====================================
> So rent a freaking truck.
> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
Or a trailer's even cheaper for such a small load.
Will need to have a way to arrange to make the swap, however...not sure
just how heavy the Jetsaur is.
--
On 3/29/2013 12:42 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> dpb<[email protected]> writes:
>> On 3/29/2013 11:41 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>>>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>>>> I am investigating possibilities.
>>> =====================================
>>> So rent a freaking truck.
>>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>>
>> Or a trailer's even cheaper for such a small load.
>>
>> Will need to have a way to arrange to make the swap, however...not sure
>> just how heavy the Jetsaur is.
>
> 468 pounds.
>
> Don't forget the $250 in gas for 1200 mile round-trip.
Well, it all figures into whether it's worth it or not, of course...as
does what Bill can find equivalent value for where he is that meets any
time frame he has on an acquisition.
I went from SW KS to S VA to pick up an old shaper a few years ago--of
course, in my case have kids in E TN and Raleigh, NC so got in a visit
to/fro as a side benefit...even counting the trip cost/time think was
worth it.
--
Puckdropper wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:51562a80$0$33769
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Thank you for offering to help. However, Mapquest says it is 600
>>> miles to Little Rock and I lack a truck.
>>> I am investigating possibilities.
>> =====================================
>>
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> So rent a freaking truck.
>>> 1,500 miles round trip isn't the end of the world.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>>
>>> Forget the truck. 1500 mile round trip is bound to run in to some
>>> wet
>>> weather, especially in spring. Use a minivan with the seats
>>> removed.
>>> You may have to do some disassembly to get the saw in there, but
>>> there's
>>> plenty of space once you get it in the door. (Sometimes I think
>>> they
>>> start with a 4x8 sheet of plywood then build around it.)
>>>
>>> I'd hate to be caught in a thunderstorm with the only thing
>>> protecting
>>> the saw being a tarp.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> What kind are truck are you thinking about?
>>
>> I'd want a lockable box van.
>>
>> It's going to be a 3 day round trip.
>>
>> No way do I want that load exposed to either the weather or
>> possible thieves.
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
> I'm thinking about the typical pickup. The box van would be a good way
> to go. Probably easier to load than the minivan, and lots of room for a
> detour through Springfield MO if Bill's thinking of getting any big iron
> from Grizzly. (Oh and be sure to stop in Ozark or Sikeston, MO for
> lunch/dinner. This time of year, the wait won't be too bad. Hey roll
> guy!)
>
> Puckdropper
I visited Grizzly and attended the Ozark Old Time Musical Festival while
in the area last summer.
I decided to replace a stud behind my drywall, so I'm still
configuring. After I do that, I'll finish my drywall, paint, and hopefully
hang a few lamps in May and June. I've got a few small ww projects I
might try while I'm playing around with that.
In the meantime, my TV Stand drawing could be redrawn. I should
probably re-examine Swingman's photographs to remind myself
what quality cabinetwork looks like! : )
I think sometimes retired people forget what it's like to have to be
somewhere because of a job! : )
My dad used to say that about his dad. "Just come on out", his dad would
say to him (so I was told).
Bill
> I mentioned the possibility of saw haulage because I'm considering
> renting a trailer for the trip up to LR for that bath remodel.
>
Please get an inland marine policy on your tools that will be in the
trailer. Try to park the back end up against a building or utility pole.
Not a month goes by where I don't read on facebook about some band
having their trailer stolen. Where talking a trailer with hardened steel
hitch locks and those parking enforcement wheel boots that cities use to
disable vehicles.
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woodchucker wrote:
>
> Bill I have a full time job, run a volleyball program, work
ridiculous hours on the weekends at times, and still if I replaced a
stud, it would be closed up that day or within a few days.. (the first
time I get free time).. not May or June..
I agree it's basically a one day job, even after I pull the wires
running through the stud and reattach the insulation. I was hoping to do
that, complete my drywall, paint, electrical, and hang a few lamps by
June. It's hard to start anything big until school is out in May. In
the meantime, I'm trying make myself learn to sharpen. Maybe because,
it's new to me, I have found that difficult to start Doing! : ) I
have a lot of tools that are supposed to have sharp edges. It's nice
that we try to keep each other inspired! I should really redraw my TV
stand drawing now so I am ready to go on it when summer is here.
Have fun!
Bill
>
> Stop spending so much time thinking. Spend more time DOING. Putting
a patch of sheetrock takes a few minutes. Spread some mud, tape, let dry.
>
> Spread some more let dry.
> Damn Bill..
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "DOING" costs MONEY, "THINKING" does not.
>
> Bill could have invited SWMBO to ride shotgun and turned
> picking up a saw into a "quickie" vacation, but that isn't going to
> happen.
>
> It would cost MONEY.
Yes, TIME, MONEY, and a certain amount of risk. And, your point is?
Bill
>
> Lew
>
>
>
On 3/30/13 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 3/30/2013 11:23 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> I mentioned the possibility of saw haulage because I'm considering
>>> renting a trailer for the trip up to LR for that bath remodel.
>>>
>>
>> Please get an inland marine policy on your tools that will be in the
>> trailer. Try to park the back end up against a building or utility pole.
>>
>> Not a month goes by where I don't read on facebook about some band
>> having their trailer stolen. Where talking a trailer with hardened steel
>> hitch locks and those parking enforcement wheel boots that cities use to
>> disable vehicles.
>
> Yep. Being both a musician, with 50+ years of touring (via van, tour
> bus, trailer, car and truck) under his belt, I'm well known, a thousand
> times over, for walking into restaurants carrying my bass; and have even
> been known to frequent a few construction sites ... so rest at ease. :)
>
> Besides, I only rent "one-way" for these type jobs, it's only a 7 hour
> drive, so no tools stored in trucks or trailers, ever.
>
I figured, as a fellow seasoned musoid, you'd already have developed a
healthy paranoia for such thing. But I wanted to double check. :-)
Do you know what I have under the seat of my min-van? Various,
high-priced trailer hitch and door locks in the waiting. I can't tell
you how many times I've showed up for "bus call" on a sub gig or
mini-tour and found the artist's trailer locked with a 7 buck master
locker padlock... probably leftover from high school.
I always ask, "Hey, you don't mind if we use my pad lock for the trailer
this weekend, do you?" "No, sure, that's fine. Here's the key to my
lock." "That's ok, I don't need it." BAM! Lock removed with drum case. :-)
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>
>> "DOING" costs MONEY, "THINKING" does not.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>>> Bill could have invited SWMBO to ride shotgun and turned
>>> picking up a saw into a "quickie" vacation, but that isn't going
>>> to
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> It would cost MONEY.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> Yes, TIME, MONEY, and a certain amount of risk. And, your point
>> is?
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Come now, you need an explanation of the obvious?
>
> Lew
>
I'm Lazy?
>
woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/30/2013 2:13 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I visited Grizzly and attended the Ozark Old Time Musical Festival
>> while in the area last summer.
>> I decided to replace a stud behind my drywall, so I'm still
>> configuring. After I do that, I'll finish my drywall, paint, and
>> hopefully hang a few lamps in May and June. I've got a few small ww
>> projects I might try while I'm playing around with that.
>> In the meantime, my TV Stand drawing could be redrawn. I should
>> probably re-examine Swingman's photographs to remind myself
>> what quality cabinetwork looks like! : )
>>
>> I think sometimes retired people forget what it's like to have to be
>> somewhere because of a job! : )
>> My dad used to say that about his dad. "Just come on out", his dad
>> would say to him (so I was told).
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> Bill I have a full time job, run a volleyball program, work ridiculous
> hours on the weekends at times, and still if I replaced a stud, it
> would be closed up that day or within a few days.. (the first time I
> get free time).. not May or June..
>
> Stop spending so much time thinking. Spend more time DOING. Putting a
> patch of sheetrock takes a few minutes. Spread some mud, tape, let
> dry.
> Spread some more let dry.
> Damn Bill..
I agree - go for it Bill. It's a couple of hours worth of work if you take
some breaks throughout the job. You can do it...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill I have a full time job, run a volleyball program, work ridiculous
> hours on the weekends at times, and still if I replaced a stud, it
> would be closed up that day or within a few days.. (the first time I
> get free time).. not May or June..
>
> Stop spending so much time thinking. Spend more time DOING. Putting a
> patch of sheetrock takes a few minutes. Spread some mud, tape, let
> dry.
> Spread some more let dry.
> Damn Bill..
> I agree - go for it Bill. It's a couple of hours worth of work if you take
> some breaks throughout the job. You can do it...
Gosh, where's Larry J.? He usually has has just the motivational tip I
need, when I need it, too!
My wife and I spend some of the evening digging up "aspiring trees" and
related things.
I hope you are all being industrious!
Bill
>
On 3/30/2013 12:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> And/or the self-employed ... don't think I've had but two days off
>> this month, and will work both today and tomorrow to finish two
>> projects this week, one a bath vanity replacement that I will haul
>> to Little Rock the second week of April, but need to have it ready
>> by tomorrow to put a couple of coats of BIN on it before that trip.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lack of planning on your part does not constitute a problem for us.
> <G>
>
> You run the way you do because deep down, you allow yourself to
> operate that way.
>
> BTW, I used to be a type "A" like you, but a generous amount of time
> spent sailing solved that problem.
>
> It's hard to get excited about much when you operate in the 5
> mile/hour
> world.
Painfully obvious that people don't pay you to make their dreams comes true.
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On 3/25/2013 8:06 PM, Leon wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=63gJAQm9fC0&NR=1
Yep this was floating around 3 weeks ago. We were all watching it while
you were building your hutch :-)
It's actually pretty cool design. Although I wonder how accurate it will
stay. Seems well thought out.
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On 3/27/2013 1:46 PM, Daveboy777 wrote:
> 'Leon[_7_ Wrote:
>> ;3036714']On 3/26/2013 3:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:-
>> Leon... it has to have some credibility. After all, the designer says
>> it was designed on SketchUp!
>>
>> Seriously, it looks like it could be a fun tool for occasional use.
>> Certainly wouldn't last under your work load. I have told many how
>> much you use your Domino and they are shocked.
>>
>> There is a woodworking club here that is sponsored by WoodCraft. They
>> are mainly Festool collectors, and honestly Leon, I would bet a bucket
>> of cash that between all the Domino owners they haven't cut and placed
>> as many Dominoes as you have.
>>
>> Most are delighted to use theirs to install a few per project.
>>
>> Robert
>> -
>>
>> There is another video of the tool, I'll see if I can post it. It is
>> basically a point at the feature and demonstrate type video. It gets a
>>
>> bit monotonous but IIRC there was a reference to the drawing IIRC. It
>> looked exactly like Sketchup at first glance.
>>
>> I was intrigued by the Russian build it your self version. It certainly
>>
>> has its limitations with size being the biggest draw back.
>>
>> Then again it looks like it could give the newer larger Domino a run for
>>
>> its money with its greater depth capacity.
>>
>> I went "Whew" a couple of days ago when I needed to fit the front
>> handle/depth gauge portion of the fence into an opening 2`5/8" high to
>> cut some mortises. I suppose I could have removed the actual knob and
>> gotten into an even tighter spot. I was attaching the face frame to the
>>
>> cubby/in/out box on the desk top cabinet.
>>
>> I suspect many of the Domino owners would use the tool more if they were
>>
>> selling their work. Your home can only hold so much of your stuff.
>> :~)
>>
>> I will say that the Domino has all but replaced the Kreg pocket holes
>> that I used to use with reckless abandon.
>
> Hi Leon,
> This is my first post!
> I was considering a Kreg pocket hole jig, mainly because, as I
> understand it, the assembly method does not require cramping! Whereas,
> using a 'domino' you would need to glue & cramp-up!
> Is this the case?
> TIA, Dave
Dave that is correct! The Kreg pocket hole jig is a very inexpensive
way to join pieces of wood and provides a strong joint.
But it does leave a rather large hole. But given that the Kreg brand
screws are excellent screws and not badly priced especially in large
quantities. FWIW I use the pocket hole screws for many other
applications other than in pocket holes.
On 3/30/2013 1:13 AM, Bill wrote:
> I think sometimes retired people forget what it's like to have to be
> somewhere because of a job! : )
And/or the self-employed ... don't think I've had but two days off this
month, and will work both today and tomorrow to finish two projects this
week, one a bath vanity replacement that I will haul to Little Rock the
second week of April, but need to have it ready by tomorrow to put a
couple of coats of BIN on it before that trip.
I did make a quick two day visit to to your neck of the woods for a
funeral earlier this month, flew to Indianapolis on Friday morning, flew
back on the redeye Sunday morning, and was back in the shop by 9AM that
same day.
First time I've visited Indiana, nice area (cold, though). I did contact
Doug about the remote possibility of meeting with you two, but was
simply too rushed, and had to get back to finish a project for a client
to pick up on that Monday morning.
I mentioned the possibility of saw haulage because I'm considering
renting a trailer for the trip up to LR for that bath remodel.
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