i watched some videos on cnc cutting and routing
anyone here have a cnc setup in their shop
i wonder how many tools could a cnc replace
seems to me you could replace a lot if you were just making cabinets
one video showed a diy guy making the cnc bed himself from square tubes
i did not see what kind of machine he mounted yet as this video was just
on the construction of the bed
one video i watched played music instead of the sound
it looked like they were doing the complete routing and drilling and cutting
of kitchen cabinets
for the cutting do they use vacuum to hold the pieces or something else
it seems a vacuum would be the best and simplest
On 12/1/2015 2:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> The thing with CNC is that it depends on what you want to do. For some
> processes, putting the burdeon of cutting and measuring on the machine is
> the way to go. For other processes, the manual way will still be much
> faster.
>
> It quickly becomes a matter of trade offs. CNC requires time to tell the
> machine what to do, but once having been told what to do can keep doing
> it all day. One offs like we build in our shops won't benefit much from
> CNC.
Yep, and it can also take the "man" out of craftsman if not used
judiciously.
Tom Plamann, one of the finest woodworkers that posted here in the past,
widely known for his astounding carved and ornate stair cases,
fireplaces, and boat and plane interiors for the 1%, was roundly taken
to task by a client when he started using cnc for some of his work.
IIRC, it ended up costing him some business.
The client's remark: I'm paying for your artistry and craftsmanship, not
something from a machine.
https://woodworkingweb.com/creations/471-fireplace-mantel
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replying to Electric Comet , Wadkin wrote:
> electric-comet wrote:
>
> i watched some videos on cnc cutting and routing
> anyone here have a cnc setup in their shop
> i wonder how many tools could a cnc replace
> seems to me you could replace a lot if you were just making cabinets
> one video showed a diy guy making the cnc bed himself from square tubes
> i did not see what kind of machine he mounted yet as this video was just
> on the construction of the bed
> one video i watched played music instead of the sound
> it looked like they were doing the complete routing and drilling and
cutting
> of kitchen cabinets
> for the cutting do they use vacuum to hold the pieces or something else
> it seems a vacuum would be the best and simplest
>
A CNC router can perform any operation at all ! The key is spec'ing it up
correctly for YOUR own needs.
you can mount to a Cnc router :
3 axis of movement
5 axis of movement
Lathe stock endless rotation clamps
Occilating or static knives
Tapping heads
Printing heads
Creasing heads
Drilling heads
Multi rip heads
Milling heads
Robotic loading
Vacuum panel lifters
Automatic loading and unloading of entire sheets
Router cutters
Saw blades
Aggregate head (to change angle of cut from vertical)
Automatic tool changers
Vacum clamps
Phneumatic clamps
Manual clamps
Vacuumed matrix beds
Dual table / loading zones
Sanding heads
Edge banding heads for internal/ external lipping
Automatic nesting software
Optimising software
Wireless controllers
The list goes on and on and on
With a correct setup you could replace every machine with one Cnc machine
but at least dramatically reduce the quality
For example on the one machine for cutting kitchen carcasses you would cut
the panels drill all pilot holes for assembly,dowel holes, hinge holes,
shelf pegs holes, grove for the back panel all at the same time while
saving waste due to maximising yield of panel with nesting
with finished quality from one machine no need to de burr or sand due to
high quality finish
For more info on cncs ranging from bench mounted cncs routers all the way
to 30m Giants have a look at www.daltonswadkin.com
The Technology is out there.... Let's use it
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On 12/3/2015 12:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> Robatoy used his a lot in his last few years as well, although mostly
> for signs, shelves and the like. I have a shelf he made for me on his
> CNC, got it just a couple months before he passed away.
Miss him.
Seeing Angela on FaceBook a few times a week keeps him in mind.
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Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> i watched some videos on cnc cutting and routing
>
> anyone here have a cnc setup in their shop
> i wonder how many tools could a cnc replace
> seems to me you could replace a lot if you were just making cabinets
>
> one video showed a diy guy making the cnc bed himself from square
> tubes
>
> i did not see what kind of machine he mounted yet as this video was
> just on the construction of the bed
>
> one video i watched played music instead of the sound
>
> it looked like they were doing the complete routing and drilling and
> cutting of kitchen cabinets
>
> for the cutting do they use vacuum to hold the pieces or something
> else
>
> it seems a vacuum would be the best and simplest
>
The thing with CNC is that it depends on what you want to do. For some
processes, putting the burdeon of cutting and measuring on the machine is
the way to go. For other processes, the manual way will still be much
faster.
It quickly becomes a matter of trade offs. CNC requires time to tell the
machine what to do, but once having been told what to do can keep doing
it all day. One offs like we build in our shops won't benefit much from
CNC.
There is no best way of holding all stock. That's why vises, clamps (of
many different styles) and vacuum tables all exist.
Puckdropper
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Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>i watched some videos on cnc cutting and routing
What makes you think anyone cares?
>
>anyone here have a cnc setup in their shop
>i wonder how many tools could a cnc replace
>seems to me you could replace a lot if you were just making cabinets
>
>one video showed a diy guy making the cnc bed himself from square tubes
>
>i did not see what kind of machine he mounted yet as this video was just
>on the construction of the bed
>
>one video i watched played music instead of the sound
>
>it looked like they were doing the complete routing and drilling and cutting
>of kitchen cabinets
>
>for the cutting do they use vacuum to hold the pieces or something else
>
>it seems a vacuum would be the best and simplest
I'm sure a simple search of the Laguna website would answer all
your questions. Concentrate specifically on the CNC machines.
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 19:44:02 +0000
Wadkin <[email protected]> wrote:
> The list goes on and on and on
that is amazing
now i understand why they are so prominent on lagunatools
>
> With a correct setup you could replace every machine with one Cnc
> machine but at least dramatically reduce the quality
not sure what you mean
are you saying that the quality will suffer with the cnc equivalent
of the conventional machine
> For example on the one machine for cutting kitchen carcasses you
> would cut the panels drill all pilot holes for assembly,dowel holes,
> hinge holes, shelf pegs holes, grove for the back panel all at the
> same time while saving waste due to maximising yield of panel with
> nesting with finished quality from one machine no need to de burr or
> sand due to high quality finish
one video was exactly this
> For more info on cncs ranging from bench mounted cncs routers all the
> way to 30m Giants have a look at www.daltonswadkin.com
looks good
> The Technology is out there.... Let's use it
cost is an issue for many i think but the diy guy built his own bed so maybe
he save some $$ that way
replying to Electric Comet , Wadkin wrote:
> electric-comet wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 19:44:02 +0000
> that is amazing
> now i understand why they are so prominent on lagunatools
> not sure what you mean
> are you saying that the quality will suffer with the cnc equivalent
> of the conventional machine
> one video was exactly this
> looks good
> cost is an issue for many i think but the diy guy built his own bed so
maybe
> he save some $$ that way
>
Auto correct mistake there mant to say quantity I.e amount of machines in
workshop.
The quality is more often better than traditional methods but this is all
down to the tooling and programming skill of operator in control
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 04:44:01 +0000
Wadkin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Auto correct mistake there mant to say quantity I.e amount of
> machines in workshop.
right that makes sense
if i was starting from scratch i would take a good hard look at a cnc
safer
better reproducibility
seems like dust control would be simpler and better
all around it would reduce shop complexity and in the long run would
be much cheaper
> The quality is more often better than traditional methods but this is
> all down to the tooling and programming skill of operator in control
from reading about them it seems there is some new knowledge that is
needed but once you get the machine calbirated for the tasks and you
know the critical settings you can get consistent results
On 2015-12-03 11:40 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/1/2015 2:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> The thing with CNC is that it depends on what you want to do. For some
>> processes, putting the burdeon of cutting and measuring on the machine is
>> the way to go. For other processes, the manual way will still be much
>> faster.
>>
>> It quickly becomes a matter of trade offs. CNC requires time to tell the
>> machine what to do, but once having been told what to do can keep doing
>> it all day. One offs like we build in our shops won't benefit much from
>> CNC.
>
> Yep, and it can also take the "man" out of craftsman if not used
> judiciously.
>
> Tom Plamann, one of the finest woodworkers that posted here in the past,
> widely known for his astounding carved and ornate stair cases,
> fireplaces, and boat and plane interiors for the 1%, was roundly taken
> to task by a client when he started using cnc for some of his work.
> IIRC, it ended up costing him some business.
>
> The client's remark: I'm paying for your artistry and craftsmanship, not
> something from a machine.
>
> https://woodworkingweb.com/creations/471-fireplace-mantel
>
Robatoy used his a lot in his last few years as well, although mostly
for signs, shelves and the like. I have a shelf he made for me on his
CNC, got it just a couple months before he passed away.
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On 2015-12-03 3:12 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/3/2015 12:17 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>
>> Robatoy used his a lot in his last few years as well, although mostly
>> for signs, shelves and the like. I have a shelf he made for me on his
>> CNC, got it just a couple months before he passed away.
>
> Miss him.
> Seeing Angela on FaceBook a few times a week keeps him in mind.
>
I think of him every time I go in the kitchen and use it. It may be the
last thing he made, or very close to it.
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On 01 Dec 2015 20:59:05 GMT
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> machine is the way to go. For other processes, the manual way will
> still be much faster.
in a video a cnc cabinet mill advertises 24 to 48 hours from order to delivery
they showed the cnc stuff plus the custom stuff
so yes even they keep some conventional tools around despite being mostly
a cnc factory
> It quickly becomes a matter of trade offs. CNC requires time to tell
> the machine what to do, but once having been told what to do can keep
> doing it all day. One offs like we build in our shops won't benefit
> much from CNC.
if i was setting up a new shop i would strongly consider a cnc but
they are not cheap but i see a lot of upside
safety
reproducability
simplicity as some tools would not be needed
precision and accuracy
completely new possibilities
downsides are expense
new thinking required so a bit of some time to learn new things
computers become involved
> There is no best way of holding all stock. That's why vises, clamps
> (of many different styles) and vacuum tables all exist.
depends on the work piece i guess
the diy guy had a vertical face on his cnc base which is a good idea
this way he can clamp legs or corbels etc
On 12/3/2015 11:40 AM, Swingman wrote:
> The client's remark: I'm paying for your artistry and craftsmanship, not
> something from a machine.
Exactly. Machines make everything perfect, every time, all the time.
People not so much. When you want something custom made, you should
expect two things, imperfections, and expensive.
The more handmade something is, the more imperfections you can expect,
and the more money you can expect to spend, and of course, the more
unique the piece will be.
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:40:04 -0600
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Plamann, one of the finest woodworkers that posted here in the
> past, widely known for his astounding carved and ornate stair cases,
> fireplaces, and boat and plane interiors for the 1%, was roundly
cnc for airplane/boat interiors makes sense
they are a lot different than a 2x4 structure
i notice he no longer works for the airplane company but does church
projects
no doubt much more enjoyable
his fireplace corbels are real nice