I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
JP
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Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't know
if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
I see they have a yellow SL2912...
I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
tape is marked with fractions.
Either way, I think you'll find using this tape is much nicer than
others. I use a sharpie fine point red to mark my mark... Alcohol
cleans it off nicely.
On 10/30/2011 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 12:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 10/29/11 9:10 PM, m II wrote:
>>> Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
>>> expansion....LOL
>>>
>>> Are you serious? How much are they off?
>>>
>>
>> 16th to 3/8" at 4 feet.
>
> No shit! ... and folks wonder why their projects don't end up being
> square when they use multiple tape measures on the same project.
>
> As I'm sure you know, the best tape measure is NO tape measure.
>
> I never measure when I can _mark_.
>
On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't know
> if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
>
> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>
> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
> tape is marked with fractions.
This is the one I ordered:
http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B000CFJB08/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
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On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
In this case:
A 12' Stanley 33-212.
Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
get any better than that.
YMMV ...
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:47:42 -0500, Gramp's shop <[email protected]>
wrote:
>My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I guess
>says something about my shopkeeping habits.
I'll go you one better to that. My favourite tape measure is finding
the same tape measure I just used to take the previous measurement.
~ Eliminates subtle variations in the wood I'm marking.
On Nov 1, 1:25=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/1/11 12:00 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 12:33 am, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 10/31/11 9:27 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> >>> - Dual locking system
>
> >> What is this dual locking system? =A0 I can't find anything about it o=
n
> >> their site.
>
> >> BTW, a pet peeve..... I'm watching their videos.... if you're going to
> >> be a woodworker/carpenter/engineer, please for the love of all that is
> >> holy and just..... learn that there is no such word as, "heighth."
>
> > I understandeth thy umbrage. =A0;)
>
> > The dual locking thing is a temporary blade brake button on the bottom
> > (press and hold to engage), and the standard slide lock. =A0The first
> > one isn't really a 'lock', but I guess brake and a half doesn't sound
> > as good.
>
> Oooo, I like the sound of that. =A0Sort of like the Leverlock in reverse.
> =A0 I'd rather have it like the Leverlock: locked as a default and squeez=
e
> to unlock. =A0But my fingers are there anyway, I may as well be squeezing
> (that's what she said).
>
> I loved their tapes when I saw them at woodcraft, but have been looking
> for a Leverlock so I passed. =A0 Maybe I'll give them a fresh look.
I was in my local (unfortunately not that local) tool candy store
(Dewalt are the crappiest tools they carry!) a year or two ago and I
saw the Fastcap tapes. I played with a couple, noted the features,
glanced at the price, then stared at the price. Three tapes later I'm
walking out of the store.
They do have an autolock tape, and it's probably my favorite - the
PMS. Pull it out and it stays, push the button to retract. The PMS
has clear, large fractional markings to the sixteenth, 16" and 19.2"
OC markings, 'conversion' markings at each inch mark past one foot
(45" =3D 3F-9), and metric along the bottom edge of the tape with 32mm
markings. The belt loop has a 'trigger' to relieve the spring
pressure so you can slip it on your belt/pants without tearing them
up.
The warranty makes it a no-brainer for me.
R
On 10/30/2011 4:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
>> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
>> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
>> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
>> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
>> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
>> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
>
> I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
>
> AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
> Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
> as I was checking out.
>
> I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
> use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
> without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
>
> Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
> shipping, total cost zero!
>
> Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
>
IIRC Rockler has that brand tape measure too.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:57:36 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
>The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
>One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
>
>In this case:
>
>A 12' Stanley 33-212.
>
>Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
>consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
>therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
>the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
>
>It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
>get any better than that.
>
>YMMV ...
You REALLY need to see and use the "acuratape" Lighted magnified
"vernier". A bit of a rare item in Canada in that it is "imperial
only" Has a pencil clip for accurate marking - as well as a
retractable marking "pin". Also has magnetic tab.
see:
http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Tools/Hand-Tools/Carpenter/Measuring/Tape-Measures/TAPE-MEASURE-1X25-ACURA-SLF-MRKG/_/R-I1048330
"JayPique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
> JP
Lufkin QR 1312. Haven't let me down.....yet.
Max
Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
On 10/30/2011 1:33 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> By the way, I have a 30' Stanley 30-997, one of the older, discontinued,
> Leverlock models. Red. The newer yellow Leverlocks suck, by comparison.
> If I ever find any of these for sale, new old stock, I will buy half a
> dozen.
>
> This thing is a perfect tape measure. I also like that the tape takes a
> pencil or shaprie marker mark very well, but not so much that it can't
> be rubbed off.
>
>
On Oct 31, 9:40=A0pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> Yea, never saw that one. It appears to have a manual lock, not like the
> one I have...
> This is what I was referring to.http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-SL2812-Self=
-12-Foot-Power/dp/B000BQ7WGI...
>
> On 10/31/2011 1:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> >> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't kn=
ow
> >> if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
>
> >> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>
> >> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
> >> tape is marked with fractions.
>
> > This is the one I ordered:
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B...
That tape was only $6 at Lowe's today. I bought the 16 footer for
$5.88 plus tax. No 32nd marks, so far I love it.
JP
JayPique wrote:
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
> JP
My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I like very
much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I understand. It also has
marks at 19+ inches which turns out to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a
carpenter I don't know why you would want to divide an 8 foot panel
into fifths, unless it has something to do with roofing. Can anyone
enlighten me on this?
--
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of widths! --Steven Wright
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Trudeau was the only one that could make the Diefenbuck real.
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Another triumph of Canadian technology? Fortunately there's no
Diefanbaker to kill it.
I love that style of tape measure but the locks wear out after dragging on
the tape so often. I attempt to press the button a bit when withdrawing as
they are hard to find.
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I never heard of them either, but, I have an old Lufkin 12' tape that
has that auto lock feature that you push a button to retract. It's a
nice tape but I don't like that feature because I'm so used to the
Stanley lock. This one is old though, and it has some drag on it when
pulling it out, and I always think I have the lock partially on, as
would be the case if my lever locks felt that tight.
I'd be interested in your thoughts after some use, particularly
regarding any drag on opening.
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:11:42 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:57:36 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
>> >> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> >> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> >> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> >> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> >> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> >> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> >> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> >> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> >> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>> >
>> >The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
>> >One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
>> >
>> >In this case:
>> >
>> >A 12' Stanley 33-212.
>> >
>> >Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
>> >consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
>> >therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
>> >the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
>> >
>> >It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
>> >get any better than that.
>> >
>> >YMMV ...
>>
>> You REALLY need to see and use the "acuratape" Lighted magnified
>> "vernier". A bit of a rare item in Canada in that it is "imperial
>> only" Has a pencil clip for accurate marking - as well as a
>> retractable marking "pin". Also has magnetic tab.
>>
>> see:
>> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Tools/Hand-Tools/Carpenter/Measuring/Tape-Measures/TAPE-MEASURE-1X25-ACURA-SLF-MRKG/_/R-I1048330
>
>Another triumph of Canadian technology?
Here's another triumph of Canadian technology, for those who don't
know whether to use metric or imperial:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=65359&cat=1,43513
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Funny metric system you have. Now tell the group how 19.2" relates to
metric.
Did you miss grade four arithmetic or are you always full of shit?
You sure cry lot when you get caught.
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On 10/30/11 10:38 PM, m II wrote:
> What planet do you live on?
>
> Tell me what sheet good these "Engineers" have put on 19.2" O.C.
> framing?
>
Just when I think you're staring to be a normal human being, you turn
your douchebag back on. The worst part is that even a complete moron
could google this and save himself the embarrassment of coming in here
and making such an ignorant statement.
Floor trusses and I-joists are commonly engineered/manufactured to be
laid out at that spacing. You get 5 per 8' sheet of subfloor instead
of
6, as in 16oc. My tape measure even has little diamonds every 19.2
inches to go along with the highlighted numbers every 16 inches.
Do you think that was an accident?
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:06 -0400, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
>expansion....LOL
>Are you serious? How much are they off?
>none of them will match up after 16 inches.
And again as usual, with remarkable clarity you demonstrate your
ignorance.
There can be a disparity among tape mesures and a visually noticeable
one too. When you're fitting some type of joint or assembling
cabinets, a disparity of 1/64" can make the construction more
difficult. Most of the woodworkers here have likely noticed it on
occasion. You? You wouldn't be able to discern a 2x4 if it clocked you
on the side of the head.
PS. I left one typo in this message just so your feeble mind would
have something to stimulate it.
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:24:28 -0400, aeroloose <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 10/30/2011 8:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>> JayPique wrote:
>>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but
>>> haven't found what
>>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus
>>> far seems to
>>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is
>>> probably why I
>>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get
>>> rid of the
>>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe
>>> it's my eyes,
>>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And
>>> who is
>>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting
>>> for 64th of an
>>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put
>>> in the
>>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>>
>>> JP
>>
>> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I
>> like very much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I
>> understand. It also has marks at 19+ inches which turns out
>> to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a carpenter I don't know why you
>> would want to divide an 8 foot panel into fifths, unless it
>> has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten me on
>> this?
>>
>Coincidence, perhaps, but 19+ inches is also 0.5 meter
>(depending on where your + is) :) Any other marking near 39
>3/8"?
>
>It's rare, but some tapes offer dual-measure. I have an old
>inch/metric Stanley, although it's arranged by side.
>
>Aero
The VAST majority of tape measures sold in Canada over the last 20+
years are dual scale. Which is why I said the Acuratape was "rare" in
Canada, being inch only.
On 10/30/2011 8:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but
>> haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus
>> far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is
>> probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get
>> rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe
>> it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And
>> who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting
>> for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put
>> in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>
>> JP
>
> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I
> like very much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I
> understand. It also has marks at 19+ inches which turns out
> to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a carpenter I don't know why you
> would want to divide an 8 foot panel into fifths, unless it
> has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten me on
> this?
>
Coincidence, perhaps, but 19+ inches is also 0.5 meter
(depending on where your + is) :) Any other marking near 39
3/8"?
It's rare, but some tapes offer dual-measure. I have an old
inch/metric Stanley, although it's arranged by side.
Aero
On 10/30/2011 3:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:24:28 -0400, aeroloose<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2011 8:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>>> JayPique wrote:
>>>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but
>>>> haven't found what
>>>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus
>>>> far seems to
>>>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is
>>>> probably why I
>>>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get
>>>> rid of the
>>>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe
>>>> it's my eyes,
>>>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And
>>>> who is
>>>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting
>>>> for 64th of an
>>>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put
>>>> in the
>>>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>>>
>>>> JP
>>>
>>> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I
>>> like very much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I
>>> understand. It also has marks at 19+ inches which turns out
>>> to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a carpenter I don't know why you
>>> would want to divide an 8 foot panel into fifths, unless it
>>> has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten me on
>>> this?
>>>
>> Coincidence, perhaps, but 19+ inches is also 0.5 meter
>> (depending on where your + is) :) Any other marking near 39
>> 3/8"?
>>
>> It's rare, but some tapes offer dual-measure. I have an old
>> inch/metric Stanley, although it's arranged by side.
>>
>> Aero
> The VAST majority of tape measures sold in Canada over the last 20+
> years are dual scale. Which is why I said the Acuratape was "rare" in
> Canada, being inch only.
Ah, well, it's reversed for me in the US. Dual is rare.
The Stanley website shows -one- dual amongst 30+ single
models to choose from.
Anyway, it was just a thought. The floor-joist answers seem
better.
On 10/29/2011 9:43 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:02:47 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have two of those, but from day one kept having problems with the hook
>> slipping off any edge. Basically, both of mine are useless for my
>> purposes, so they gather dust in a drawer.
>>
>> AAMOF, I even wrote to Rob about the problem years ago, so sounds they
>> might have fixed it by now?
>
> I've had these tapes since Ike hit us, so that was just over 3 years ago, if
> that helps you compare their age with your tapes. I gave the last of my
> originals (5-6 years old now) away right after Ike to one of my neighbors and
> ordered this batch.
Mine do have the three grooves. Where DO they differ from the Stanley's,
is that the two rivet heads, on the concentric (bottom) side that holds
the hook on, are visibly thicker than my Stanley's rivets ... the result
is the hook does not sit as far down on the piece being measured,
meaning their hold is not as secure.
A case where more robust is not necessarily better ... perhaps that has
been addressed in later versions. I wasn't going to spend the money to
find out.
Don't get me wrong, the LV's are the perfect size for shop use and I
love the 'right-handedness'. I just got tired of them slipping off the
work piece. Not every time mind you, but just about every time damn time
I was in a situation where I didn't have one to spare and another hand
would have been ideal, the hook would cant upwards throwing the
measurement off close to a 1/16".
I'm glad to see they work for you, I sure wish they did for me ... being
LV you would almost bet, and win, on the consistency of readings from
tape to tape.
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Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
expansion....LOL
Are you serious? How much are they off?
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I have one "master" tape measure.
It goes to the store as a reference any time I'm shopping for an linear
measuring device. Especially if that store happens to sell a lot of
Freight that come into Harbor. :-)
You can take one of each off their walls, tape, stick, square, etc.,
and
none of them will match up after 16 inches.
--
-MIKE-
These boys make some real nice tapes..
http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112&idcategory=0
On 10/27/2011 8:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
> JP
It isn't metric at all. Mike was just caught dishing out his usual bullshit
again and is trying to backpeddle.
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If it were a mis-measurement, sure, but in this case it isn't a mistake,
it's a deliberate compensation.
It's the _correct_ measurement for laying out so that the span will work
correctly for 8-ft sheets, a most common dimension for sheathing,
subflooring, etc., etc., etc.
If the truss/rafter/joist system is adequate on 19.67" centers, it's
certainly adequate on a _closer_ spacing since that shortens the
distance between them and thereby decreases the deflections, etc. from
what would be (a few percent at most so not enough to make any practical
difference, but it _is_ the conservative direction).
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On 10/31/2011 12:22 PM, Han wrote:
...
> A difference of .47" is more than 1 cm, the width of a pinky nail, and
> that
> is too much, even for carpenters.
Yea, never saw that one. It appears to have a manual lock, not like the
one I have...
This is what I was referring to.
http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-SL2812-Self-12-Foot-Power/dp/B000BQ7WGI/ref=sr_1_13?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320111547&sr=1-13
On 10/31/2011 1:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't know
>> if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
>>
>> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>>
>> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
>> tape is marked with fractions.
>
> This is the one I ordered:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B000CFJB08/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
>
>
I have an old lufkin that does the same thing. Black push button in the
middle of the side. This makes that look like you are pulling it locked.
The mechanism is sooo smooth. I wish I could get another in metric. I
prefer metric, but work both. Again, I mark on my tapes. I only use the
tape on the saw for rough cutting. If I take a measurement with my tape,
I move the tape to the wood, mark the wood, and align the TS to that
mark.... I don't transfer 2 different tapes for an accurate cut.. It
won't be. If I can I take the wood and mark it directly. But somethings
it's just too heavy, or cumbersome, or too delicate... so a tape is
handy. For small stuff I use a small steel rule in metric...
On 10/31/2011 12:47 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 5:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>>> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
>>> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
>>> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
>>> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
>>> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
>>> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
>>> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
>>
>> I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
>>
>> AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
>> Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
>> as I was checking out.
>>
>> I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
>> use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
>> without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
>>
>> Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
>> shipping, total cost zero!
>>
>> Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
>
> I never heard of them either, but, I have an old Lufkin 12' tape that
> has that auto lock feature that you push a button to retract. It's a
> nice tape but I don't like that feature because I'm so used to the
> Stanley lock. This one is old though, and it has some drag on it when
> pulling it out, and I always think I have the lock partially on, as
> would be the case if my lever locks felt that tight.
>
> I'd be interested in your thoughts after some use, particularly
> regarding any drag on opening.
>
>
Crikey!
That could explain a few things over the years. Sometimes you write the
measurement down, double check it, be really careful when cutting, twice
checked (reread) reaffirm the saw thickness and line-up with the laser line
and the damn things is still 1/16" too short. Should have fit like a
glove???
More research will be taking place on the tapes I have. I have about 5 or 6
different brands and a few the same brand. I just find this really hard to
believe! I can see the end stop gets off or is manufactured badly but then
some of my favourites are the cheapo units. A few Stanley's I have paid big
bucks for turned out to be garbage and bent within a month of usage.
I still can't use that excuse for the many cuts I have done tat were off by
1" over the years but.... I have a theory that the rivets on the end hook
that allow it to slide have been caught and they always seem to be an exact
1" from the end.
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By the way, I have a 30' Stanley 30-997, one of the older, discontinued,
Leverlock models. Red. The newer yellow Leverlocks suck, by comparison.
If I ever find any of these for sale, new old stock, I will buy half a
dozen.
This thing is a perfect tape measure. I also like that the tape takes a
pencil or shaprie marker mark very well, but not so much that it can't
be rubbed off.
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On 11/1/2011 10:15 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 1, 1:25 am, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/1/11 12:00 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>>
>
> I was in my local (unfortunately not that local) tool candy store
> (Dewalt are the crappiest tools they carry!) a year or two ago and I
> saw the Fastcap tapes. I played with a couple, noted the features,
> glanced at the price, then stared at the price. Three tapes later I'm
> walking out of the store.
>
> They do have an autolock tape, and it's probably my favorite - the
> PMS. Pull it out and it stays, push the button to retract. The PMS
> has clear, large fractional markings to the sixteenth, 16" and 19.2"
> OC markings, 'conversion' markings at each inch mark past one foot
> (45" = 3F-9), and metric along the bottom edge of the tape with 32mm
> markings. The belt loop has a 'trigger' to relieve the spring
> pressure so you can slip it on your belt/pants without tearing them
> up.
>
> The warranty makes it a no-brainer for me.
>
> R
I have 5 Fast Cap tape measures, I have had 2 replaced free of charge by
the manufacturer. No big deal and all handled through e-mail.
Love my Komelon 12 footer. I like the self locking feature that doesn't
require unlocking to pull out like my Stanley 30'. The 12' is so small
and light for woodworking.
On 10/30/2011 8:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>
>> JP
>
> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I like very
> much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I understand. It also has
> marks at 19+ inches which turns out to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a
> carpenter I don't know why you would want to divide an 8 foot panel into
> fifths, unless it has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten
> me on this?
>
On 10/28/2011 6:59 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:57:36 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> A 12' Stanley 33-212.
>> It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
>> get any better than that.
> You REALLY need to see and use the "acuratape" Lighted magnified
> "vernier". A bit of a rare item in Canada in that it is "imperial
> only" Has a pencil clip for accurate marking - as well as a
> retractable marking "pin". Also has magnetic tab.
>
> see:
> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Tools/Hand-Tools/Carpenter/Measuring/Tape-Measures/TAPE-MEASURE-1X25-ACURA-SLF-MRKG/_/R-I1048330
Cool ... looks like it could run apps like an iPhone! ;)
Won't be long before Siri is incorporated into tape measures.
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I'm glad your's has both inches and mm. Mine has just inches.
You let me know afterwards.
On 10/30/2011 5:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
>> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
>> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
>> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
>> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
>> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
>> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
>
> I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
>
> AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
> Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
> as I was checking out.
>
> I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
> use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
> without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
>
> Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
> shipping, total cost zero!
>
> Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
>
The stories just keep getting better! LOL
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50 cm divided by 2.54 (cm/inch) gives 19.68503937007874 inch, which is
apparently close enough to 19.2".
see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_(unit)
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> Funny metric system you have. Now tell the group how 19.2" relates to
> metric.
> Did you miss grade four arithmetic or are you always full of shit?
>
> You sure cry lot when you get caught.
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> engineers work in metric.
All but the ones that don't.
On 11/1/2011 5:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/1/2011 4:25 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> I have 5 Fast Cap tape measures, I have had 2 replaced free of charge by
>> the manufacturer. No big deal and all handled through e-mail.
>
> Glad they work for you. I've got your 40% problem rate, but in my case
> it was 100%. The two I've had were problematic from the get go. The one
> I currently have, flat, flexible and great for measuring around curved
> parts, was extended to its legitimate length just once (not
> over-extended) and immediately thereafter will not retract all the way.
>
> Grrrrr ... too badm because I like the concept.
>
I had the same problem with a green one, I e-mailed them and they gladly
replaced it. Oddlyit started working again and no problems since. I
found that the first white flat one was not accurate. They replaced it
too. They have no yet want any of them back.
On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
as I was checking out.
I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
shipping, total cost zero!
Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:57:36 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
> >> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> >> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> >> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> >> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> >> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> >> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> >> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> >> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> >> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
> >
> >The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
> >One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
> >
> >In this case:
> >
> >A 12' Stanley 33-212.
> >
> >Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
> >consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
> >therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
> >the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
> >
> >It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
> >get any better than that.
> >
> >YMMV ...
>
> You REALLY need to see and use the "acuratape" Lighted magnified
> "vernier". A bit of a rare item in Canada in that it is "imperial
> only" Has a pencil clip for accurate marking - as well as a
> retractable marking "pin". Also has magnetic tab.
>
> see:
> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Tools/Hand-Tools/Carpenter/Measuring/Tape-Measures/TAPE-MEASURE-1X25-ACURA-SLF-MRKG/_/R-I1048330
Another triumph of Canadian technology? Fortunately there's no
Diefanbaker to kill it.
After buying a few and actually using them I avoid the dual scales like the
plague. They become one sided usage tapes and are a PITA.
Same with straight inches type tapes. Measure 5' 4" and then use the other
tape at the saw to cut 54". Had to throw a few out that didn't have feet and
inches after too many wood pieces ruined.
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The VAST majority of tape measures sold in Canada over the last 20+
years are dual scale. Which is why I said the Acuratape was "rare" in
Canada, being inch only.
I always tell the women, in mm., but tell them it's inches.
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I'm glad your's has both inches and mm. Mine has just inches.
You let me know afterwards.
Must have a self locking pull-out and both sides of tape the same
system for left and right measurements.
Most will do if they meet that criteria.
I am not sure I will buy Stanley again. The last two units haven't
lasted more than a few months even though I paid $20 for each. The
$3.95 units at the surplus stores last over a few years, usually.
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I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
JP
On 10/31/2011 8:40 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Yea, never saw that one. It appears to have a manual lock, not like the
> one I have...
> This is what I was referring to.
> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-SL2812-Self-12-Foot-Power/dp/B000BQ7WGI/ref=sr_1_13?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320111547&sr=1-13
>
>
> On 10/31/2011 1:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't know
>>> if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
>>>
>>> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>>>
>>> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
>>> tape is marked with fractions.
>>
>> This is the one I ordered:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B000CFJB08/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
UPS hit about an hour ago. The Komelon's are smooth operating; hooks
work well; nice size and weight for the shop apron; and just a shade off
my Stanley's at 73" (less than 1/128"), but that might be because the
line weight is lighter (which makes for better interpolation); parallax
with camera, HDR application on the cell phone which takes four shots,
not too steady hand; plus the edge of the table might have thrown things
off a bit:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/November12011?authkey=Gv1sRgCKL1u5qN0If_fQ#5670099690119697794
When measuring a piece of wood I noticed no discrepancy other than the
Komelon's line was finer which makes for more precision (and indecision
for the AR).
I do like the "mm" scale, which is basically what I bought these for. I
am concerned about the plastic case ... wondering if they will survive a
fall off an eight foot ladder?
I'd say that, for the price, and since they seem to fill my main
requirement of jiving with my table saw fence tape as well as having the
mm scale, they may get as much use as the Stanleys, particularly when
doing Festool work.
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"m II" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Funny metric system you have. Now tell the group how 19.2" relates to
> metric.
> Did you miss grade four arithmetic or are you always full of shit?
>
> You sure cry lot when you get caught.
50 cm divided by 2.54 (cm/inch) gives 19.68503937007874 inch, which is
apparently close enough to 19.2".
see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_(unit)
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"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> "-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>> engineers work in metric.
>
>
> All but the ones that don't.
For real engineering, where accuracy is important, I'd prefer SI units, but
hey, I'm a retired biochemist with initial education definitely outside US.
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
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> On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't
>> know if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be
>> SL2812
>>
>> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>>
>> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like
>> the tape is marked with fractions.
>
> This is the one I ordered:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B00
> 0CFJB08/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
Now I will have 2 25'imperial sort of tape measure, 1 pure metric one (from
Dad), and this new one to rule them all!!!
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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> It's aprox half a meter you ignorant jackass.
> Why don't you just google this $h!t and save yourself the
> embarrassment?
>
> .5meter = 19.67 inches, which doesn't space out equally on the 4' and
> 8' standard of sheet goods. Guess what does, and is close enough?
> 19.2 inches.
>
> I know it's close to the end of the month.... just give it another day
> and your mom will get your bi-polar meds refilled.
Wie de schoen past trekke hem aan.
Ask Robatoy what that means.
A difference of .47" is more than 1 cm, the width of a pinky nail, and that
is too much, even for carpenters.
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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but that point
> is completely moot. A difference of .47" spacing of a floor joist or
> truss is irrelevant to its structural integrity. A joist that is
> engineered to be spaced every half meter can be spaced a cm less (which
> would actually make it a tiny bit stronger in application) and make and
> even spacing across 4 or 8 feet.
I don't know whether I agree or not. A single offset of .47" is no big
deal, but if it accumulates over a 20' wall, where the spacing is supposed
to be 19.67" and the joist are placed just so, while the nailer goes 19.2"
between, that could be a problem. Not that it is likely, but ...
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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> The spacing *IS NOT* supposed to be 19.67. That's the point.
> It's supposed to be 19.2, because it divides equally into 8 feet.
>
> The joist/truss is engineered in metric. It was engineered for spacing
> at 50 centimeters. Spacing it a little less doesn't hurt its integrity
> but sure helps the carpenter.
>
> How am I not making this clear? I haven't even had a beer yet. :-)
OK, I was lazy. I thought the spacing should be at 50 cm, but that's wrong
if it has tocome to 8 feet, 96 inches or 243.84 cm, rather than 250 cm. So
the spacing should be 48.768 cm.
That's what you get when translating units between SI and imperial.
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On 10/30/2011 8:17 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 10/28/2011 10:57 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
>> One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
>>
>> In this case:
>>
>> A 12' Stanley 33-212.
>
> Ditto.
> Been using that sucker for years in my shop. Wait, mine is a 33-312, but
> I like it for all the same reasons you cite.
My typo ... it is the same as yours. (I'd try to type it again, but with
a new laptop/keyboard I can barely get my name right)
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On 10/27/2011 10:47 PM, Roy wrote:
> I very rarely need a 25 foot tape for cabinet work. I use this one every day in
> the shop:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32562&cat=1,43513
>
> Measure with your off hand, write with the dominant. What a brilliant idea.
> Also a version for southpaws. This little LV tape is small and light. Price
> has gone up $2 since I first tried one of these.
I have two of those, but from day one kept having problems with the hook
slipping off any edge. Basically, both of mine are useless for my
purposes, so they gather dust in a drawer.
AAMOF, I even wrote to Rob about the problem years ago, so sounds they
might have fixed it by now?
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On Nov 1, 5:25=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
> I have 5 Fast Cap tape measures, I have had 2 replaced free of charge by
> the manufacturer. =A0No big deal and all handled through e-mail.
I've probably spent northwards of three hundred dollars on tapes over
the years. It's nice to have found a company that should largely
eliminate any further expenditures in that area. Except for gifts.
R
On Oct 28, 3:28=A0pm, Doug Miller <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 10/28/2011 2:47 PM, Gramp's shop wrote:
>
> > My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I gues=
s
> > says something about my shopkeeping habits. I have about six tape
> > measures, and most of them came with an undocumented feature -- tiny
> > legs that emerge when I set it down and a high speed motor that takes
> > zips it to an entirely different location.
>
> Damn, you buy the same brand I do!
You must have the "Dixon Ticonderoga" brand tape measures...
JP
On Nov 1, 1:21=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Think I'll be going back to woodcraft.
>
> But "PMS?" =A0Really?
I know. But you won't be forgetting that model designation. ;)
There used to be a Woodcraft on Long Island, 'only' about 25 miles
from me. Now the only one in NY is in Rochester, and the closest one
to me is in Allentown, PA. Not sure why they'd want to entirely give
up on an area that has a population of ~1/10 of the US, but, whatever.
R
On Oct 27, 8:07=A0pm, JayPique <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. =A0My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. =A0I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. =A0If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. =A0Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. =A0And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? =A0The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. =A0But overall, it's my favorite. =A0So far...
Fastcap ProCarpenter tapes. Good features, $8, lifetime warranty.
https://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/ProCarpenter-3p112.htm
I had one die the other day - one call and the replacement arrived 4
days later. No proof of purchase necessary, didn't require me to send
the dead one back.
The ProCarpenter Tape Measure is an incredibly innovative tape
measure. We have developed this special tape with many innovative
features:
- Lever action belt clip
- Pencil sharpener
- Dual locking system
- Erasable notepad
- Heavy-duty 1-inch blade
- High-contrast tape
- Rugged compact design.
Four blade styles available:
PMS - The PMS features Metric and standard measurements identifying
increments down to 1/16" and millimeter.
PSSP - The Story Pole features a blank edge of the blade for writing
your notes AND standard measurements on the other edge.
PS - The PS features Standard measurements that are readable when the
tape is extended from either the right or left hand.
PMMR - The Metric/Metric Reverse features metric measurements that are
readable when the tape is extended from either the right or left hand.
PSSR - The Standard/Standard Reverse features standard measurements
that are readable when the tape is extended from either the right or
left hand.
R
Those are the ones (one sided measure only) we find everywhere but are
slowly making their ways to the $0.99 bins.
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"aeroloose" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
It's rare, but some tapes offer dual-measure. I have an old
inch/metric Stanley, although it's arranged by side.
Aero
On Nov 1, 12:33=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/31/11 9:27 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > - Dual locking system
>
> What is this dual locking system? =A0 I can't find anything about it on
> their site.
>
> BTW, a pet peeve..... I'm watching their videos.... if you're going to
> be a woodworker/carpenter/engineer, please for the love of all that is
> holy and just..... learn that there is no such word as, "heighth."
I understandeth thy umbrage. ;)
The dual locking thing is a temporary blade brake button on the bottom
(press and hold to engage), and the standard slide lock. The first
one isn't really a 'lock', but I guess brake and a half doesn't sound
as good.
R
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:07:42 -0700 (PDT), JayPique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
>JP
I very rarely need a 25 foot tape for cabinet work. I use this one every day in
the shop:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32562&cat=1,43513
Measure with your off hand, write with the dominant. What a brilliant idea.
Also a version for southpaws. This little LV tape is small and light. Price
has gone up $2 since I first tried one of these.
OTOH, for carpentry, my old standby is a 25 foot Stanley leverlock. I don't use
anything this big very often.
I treat you exactly the same as you to me. Somebody needs to show you a
reflection of your arrogance.
In fact I have learned the attitude from you, sweetpants.
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Yet, dipshit Josepi never has any fact to back up his claims.
You sure have quite a hard-on for me, sugar.
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On 10/28/11 9:57 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
> consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
> therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
> the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
>
> It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
> get any better than that.
>
> YMMV ...
>
I have one "master" tape measure.
It goes to the store as a reference any time I'm shopping for an linear
measuring device. Especially if that store happens to sell a lot of
Freight that come into Harbor. :-)
You can take one of each off their walls, tape, stick, square, etc., and
none of them will match up after 16 inches.
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On 10/28/2011 2:47 PM, Gramp's shop wrote:
> My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I guess
> says something about my shopkeeping habits. I have about six tape
> measures, and most of them came with an undocumented feature -- tiny
> legs that emerge when I set it down and a high speed motor that takes
> zips it to an entirely different location.
Damn, you buy the same brand I do!
On 10/28/2011 4:09 PM, JayPique wrote:
> On Oct 28, 3:28 pm, Doug Miller<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On 10/28/2011 2:47 PM, Gramp's shop wrote:
>>
>>> My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I guess
>>> says something about my shopkeeping habits. I have about six tape
>>> measures, and most of them came with an undocumented feature -- tiny
>>> legs that emerge when I set it down and a high speed motor that takes
>>> zips it to an entirely different location.
>>
>> Damn, you buy the same brand I do!
>
> You must have the "Dixon Ticonderoga" brand tape measures...
SWMBO and the kids all have the bad habit of walking off with my
pencils. Finally, I bought another box and hid them. I'm 5" taller than
SWMBO; additionally, my arms are unusually long, and hers unusually
short, so it's not too hard to put things where I can reach them and she
can't. In this case, she can't even *see* them... The kids can, but
after I turned them on to turning pens and pencils on the lathe, they
kinda prefer using their own. Which is just fine with me.
On 10/29/11 9:10 PM, m II wrote:
> Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
> expansion....LOL
>
> Are you serious? How much are they off?
>
16th to 3/8" at 4 feet.
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On 10/30/2011 7:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>
>> JP
>
> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I like very
> much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I understand. It also has
> marks at 19+ inches which turns out to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a
> carpenter I don't know why you would want to divide an 8 foot panel into
> fifths, unless it has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten
> me on this?
>
Another centering system just like using 12, 16, 24.
To stud out an 8' sheet :
@ 12" - 9 studs/rafters/joists
@16" - 7 studs
@19.2- 6 studs
@24 - 5 studs
On 10/28/2011 10:57 AM, Swingman wrote:
> The most important characteristic of any tape measure for me:
> One that perfectly matches my table saw fence tape!
>
> In this case:
>
> A 12' Stanley 33-212.
Ditto.
Been using that sucker for years in my shop. Wait, mine is a 33-312,
but I like it for all the same reasons you cite.
> Small, fits nicely in the apron; the hook is accurate and doesn't slip;
> consistent/same reading accuracy from one tape measure to another;
> therefore I keep four on hand all the time - one in the truck, one in
> the tool bag, one in the shop apron, one in the shop drawer.
>
> It's like measuring with the same tape measure, time after time. Can't
> get any better than that.
>
> YMMV ...
>
--
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http://jbstein.com
On 10/30/11 7:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>
> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I like very
> much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I understand. It also has
> marks at 19+ inches which turns out to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a
> carpenter I don't know why you would want to divide an 8 foot panel into
> fifths, unless it has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten
> me on this?
>
Engineered lumber and metric.
Some engineered joists are spaced at 19.2" instead of 16". I'm guessing
it's because they are stronger and also because it's pretty close to
half a meter and engineers work in metric.
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On 10/30/11 12:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 12:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 10/29/11 9:10 PM, m II wrote:
>>> Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
>>> expansion....LOL
>>>
>>> Are you serious? How much are they off?
>>>
>>
>> 16th to 3/8" at 4 feet.
>
> No shit! ... and folks wonder why their projects don't end up being
> square when they use multiple tape measures on the same project.
>
> As I'm sure you know, the best tape measure is NO tape measure.
>
> I never measure when I can _mark_.
>
I'm glad to hear someone else say that!
I had another guy look at me like I was a nut case when I carried pieces
of trim around to mark, then to the saw to cut. He said, "why don't you
just use a tape measure?" I answered, "Because I only want to make one
cut."
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By the way, I have a 30' Stanley 30-997, one of the older, discontinued,
Leverlock models. Red. The newer yellow Leverlocks suck, by comparison.
If I ever find any of these for sale, new old stock, I will buy half a
dozen.
This thing is a perfect tape measure. I also like that the tape takes a
pencil or shaprie marker mark very well, but not so much that it can't
be rubbed off.
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On 10/30/11 4:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
>> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
>> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
>> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
>> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
>> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
>> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
>
> I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
>
> AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
> Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
> as I was checking out.
>
> I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
> use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
> without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
>
> Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
> shipping, total cost zero!
>
> Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
>
They had some at HD on sale pretty cheap. At the time I was looking for
a replacement to my tried and true Stanley Leverlock and was impressed
with the Komelon's self locking mechanism, albeit not as intuitive as
Stanley's. However, I was trying to buy made-in-the-USA, so I didn't get
it.
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On 10/30/11 10:38 PM, m II wrote:
> What planet do you live on?
>
> Tell me what sheet good these "Engineers" have put on 19.2" O.C. framing?
>
Just when I think you're staring to be a normal human being, you turn
your douchebag back on. The worst part is that even a complete moron
could google this and save himself the embarrassment of coming in here
and making such an ignorant statement.
Floor trusses and I-joists are commonly engineered/manufactured to be
laid out at that spacing. You get 5 per 8' sheet of subfloor instead of
6, as in 16oc. My tape measure even has little diamonds every 19.2
inches to go along with the highlighted numbers every 16 inches.
Do you think that was an accident?
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On 10/30/2011 5:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 3:57 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> Try the Komelon, I have the Stanley Lever Lock. The red. My little 12'
>> Komelon kills it. easy to pull out, ____light____, marks well, I use
>> alcohol to clean my marks off. Of course I use my 30' Lever Lock for
>> construction, but not wood working since I found the Komelon, and yes
>> guys I agree story sticks are nice. I prefer marking from one piece to
>> the next. I use a knife. But when I need it.. the Light and accurate
>> Komelon gets my use. So light I keep it on me always while working.
>
> I'm gonna take your word on this. Never heard of them until now.
>
> AAMOF, needed ten bucks to kick me to the free shipping category on an
> Amazon gift card so just added two of the 12' model Komelon to the cart
> as I was checking out.
>
> I was looking for something small that had both inches and mm so I could
> use it when setting the parallel guides with my Festool guide rails
> without having to pull out the calculator and do a conversion.
>
> Damn ... two of the 12' puppies for just over ten bucks, in lieu of
> shipping, total cost zero!
>
> Hope they're not as _cheap_ as the price reflects! :)
I never heard of them either, but, I have an old Lufkin 12' tape that
has that auto lock feature that you push a button to retract. It's a
nice tape but I don't like that feature because I'm so used to the
Stanley lock. This one is old though, and it has some drag on it when
pulling it out, and I always think I have the lock partially on, as
would be the case if my lever locks felt that tight.
I'd be interested in your thoughts after some use, particularly
regarding any drag on opening.
--
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On 10/30/2011 6:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> They had some at HD on sale pretty cheap. At the time I was looking for
> a replacement to my tried and true Stanley Leverlock and was impressed
> with the Komelon's self locking mechanism, albeit not as intuitive as
> Stanley's. However, I was trying to buy made-in-the-USA, so I didn't get
> it.
I have a Black & Decker I bought from an "on sale" barrel for like 99
cents. I bought it because it had metric and inches. It's a 16' with a
rubberized case. I like the feel, but I don't like the dual scales. It
is my only tape made in China. I don't do much metric, but if I did,
I'd get an all metric, not dual.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 10/30/11 11:40 PM, m II wrote:
> Funny metric system you have. Now tell the group how 19.2" relates to
> metric.
> Did you miss grade four arithmetic or are you always full of shit?
>
> You sure cry lot when you get caught.
>
It's aprox half a meter you ignorant jackass.
Why don't you just google this $h!t and save yourself the embarrassment?
.5meter = 19.67 inches, which doesn't space out equally on the 4' and 8'
standard of sheet goods. Guess what does, and is close enough? 19.2 inches.
I know it's close to the end of the month.... just give it another day
and your mom will get your bi-polar meds refilled.
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On 10/31/11 6:32 AM, Han wrote:
> "m II"<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Funny metric system you have. Now tell the group how 19.2" relates to
>> metric.
>> Did you miss grade four arithmetic or are you always full of shit?
>>
>> You sure cry lot when you get caught.
>
> 50 cm divided by 2.54 (cm/inch) gives 19.68503937007874 inch, which is
> apparently close enough to 19.2".
> see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_(unit)
>
You don't expect him to actually look and see if there's dog crap on the
bottom of his foot, before he sticks it in his mouth, do you? :-)
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On 10/31/11 1:22 PM, Han wrote:
> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> It's aprox half a meter you ignorant jackass.
>> Why don't you just google this $h!t and save yourself the
>> embarrassment?
>>
>> .5meter = 19.67 inches, which doesn't space out equally on the 4' and
>> 8' standard of sheet goods. Guess what does, and is close enough?
>> 19.2 inches.
>>
>> I know it's close to the end of the month.... just give it another day
>> and your mom will get your bi-polar meds refilled.
>
> Wie de schoen past trekke hem aan.
> Ask Robatoy what that means.
>
> A difference of .47" is more than 1 cm, the width of a pinky nail, and that
> is too much, even for carpenters.
>
I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but that point
is completely moot. A difference of .47" spacing of a floor joist or
truss is irrelevant to its structural integrity. A joist that is
engineered to be spaced every half meter can be spaced a cm less (which
would actually make it a tiny bit stronger in application) and make and
even spacing across 4 or 8 feet.
Or perhaps, that *is* the point you are making. :-)
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On 10/31/11 2:36 PM, Han wrote:
> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but that point
>> is completely moot. A difference of .47" spacing of a floor joist or
>> truss is irrelevant to its structural integrity. A joist that is
>> engineered to be spaced every half meter can be spaced a cm less (which
>> would actually make it a tiny bit stronger in application) and make and
>> even spacing across 4 or 8 feet.
>
> I don't know whether I agree or not. A single offset of .47" is no big
> deal, but if it accumulates over a 20' wall, where the spacing is supposed
> to be 19.67" and the joist are placed just so, while the nailer goes 19.2"
> between, that could be a problem. Not that it is likely, but ...
>
The spacing *IS NOT* supposed to be 19.67. That's the point.
It's supposed to be 19.2, because it divides equally into 8 feet.
The joist/truss is engineered in metric. It was engineered for spacing
at 50 centimeters. Spacing it a little less doesn't hurt its integrity
but sure helps the carpenter.
How am I not making this clear? I haven't even had a beer yet. :-)
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On 10/31/2011 12:22 PM, Han wrote:
...
> A difference of .47" is more than 1 cm, the width of a pinky nail, and that
> is too much, even for carpenters.
If it were a mis-measurement, sure, but in this case it isn't a mistake,
it's a deliberate compensation.
It's the _correct_ measurement for laying out so that the span will work
correctly for 8-ft sheets, a most common dimension for sheathing,
subflooring, etc., etc., etc.
If the truss/rafter/joist system is adequate on 19.67" centers, it's
certainly adequate on a _closer_ spacing since that shortens the
distance between them and thereby decreases the deflections, etc. from
what would be (a few percent at most so not enough to make any practical
difference, but it _is_ the conservative direction).
--
On 10/31/11 9:27 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> - Dual locking system
>
What is this dual locking system? I can't find anything about it on
their site.
BTW, a pet peeve..... I'm watching their videos.... if you're going to
be a woodworker/carpenter/engineer, please for the love of all that is
holy and just..... learn that there is no such word as, "heighth."
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On 11/1/11 12:00 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 1, 12:33 am, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/31/11 9:27 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>
>>> - Dual locking system
>>
>> What is this dual locking system? I can't find anything about it on
>> their site.
>>
>> BTW, a pet peeve..... I'm watching their videos.... if you're going to
>> be a woodworker/carpenter/engineer, please for the love of all that is
>> holy and just..... learn that there is no such word as, "heighth."
>
> I understandeth thy umbrage. ;)
>
> The dual locking thing is a temporary blade brake button on the bottom
> (press and hold to engage), and the standard slide lock. The first
> one isn't really a 'lock', but I guess brake and a half doesn't sound
> as good.
>
> R
Oooo, I like the sound of that. Sort of like the Leverlock in reverse.
I'd rather have it like the Leverlock: locked as a default and squeeze
to unlock. But my fingers are there anyway, I may as well be squeezing
(that's what she said).
I loved their tapes when I saw them at woodcraft, but have been looking
for a Leverlock so I passed. Maybe I'll give them a fresh look.
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On 11/1/11 10:15 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> They do have an autolock tape, and it's probably my favorite - the
> PMS. Pull it out and it stays, push the button to retract. The PMS
> has clear, large fractional markings to the sixteenth, 16" and 19.2"
> OC markings, 'conversion' markings at each inch mark past one foot
> (45" = 3F-9), and metric along the bottom edge of the tape with 32mm
> markings. The belt loop has a 'trigger' to relieve the spring
> pressure so you can slip it on your belt/pants without tearing them
> up.
>
> The warranty makes it a no-brainer for me.
>
> R
Think I'll be going back to woodcraft.
But "PMS?" Really?
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On 11/1/11 4:27 PM, Josepi wrote:
> It isn't metric at all. Mike was just caught dishing out his usual
> bullshit again and is trying to backpeddle.
>
>
Yet, dipshit Josepi never has any fact to back up his claims.
You sure have quite a hard-on for me, sugar.
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On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>
> JP
My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I guess
says something about my shopkeeping habits. I have about six tape
measures, and most of them came with an undocumented feature -- tiny
legs that emerge when I set it down and a high speed motor that takes
zips it to an entirely different location.
Larry
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:05:09 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/30/2011 12:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 10/29/11 9:10 PM, m II wrote:
>>> Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
>>> expansion....LOL
>>>
>>> Are you serious? How much are they off?
>>>
>>
>> 16th to 3/8" at 4 feet.
>
>No shit! ... and folks wonder why their projects don't end up being
>square when they use multiple tape measures on the same project.
>
>As I'm sure you know, the best tape measure is NO tape measure.
>
>I never measure when I can _mark_.
I finally figured that one out a couple years ago, too. What a
difference! No more being 1" off (always short, right?) on a
measurement with a tape, even if I wrote it down at the time of
measurement... <sigh>
Story sticks are _happenin'!_
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:47:42 -0500, Gramp's shop <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 10/27/2011 7:07 PM, JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>
>> JP
>
>My favorite is the one I can find at the moment I need it, which I guess
>says something about my shopkeeping habits. I have about six tape
>measures, and most of them came with an undocumented feature -- tiny
>legs that emerge when I set it down and a high speed motor that takes
>zips it to an entirely different location.
>
>Larry
The next time I'm at my neighbor's I'll look for your tape. That's
where mine always go.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
On 10/30/2011 12:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 10/29/11 9:10 PM, m II wrote:
>> Maybe need to take a thermometer to insure the same tape metal
>> expansion....LOL
>>
>> Are you serious? How much are they off?
>>
>
> 16th to 3/8" at 4 feet.
No shit! ... and folks wonder why their projects don't end up being
square when they use multiple tape measures on the same project.
As I'm sure you know, the best tape measure is NO tape measure.
I never measure when I can _mark_.
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What planet do you live on?
Tell me what sheet good these "Engineers" have put on 19.2" O.C.
framing?
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Engineered lumber and metric.
Some engineered joists are spaced at 19.2" instead of 16". I'm
guessing
it's because they are stronger and also because it's pretty close to
half a meter and engineers work in metric.
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:02:47 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/27/2011 10:47 PM, Roy wrote:
>
>> I very rarely need a 25 foot tape for cabinet work. I use this one every day in
>> the shop:
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32562&cat=1,43513
>>
>> Measure with your off hand, write with the dominant. What a brilliant idea.
>> Also a version for southpaws. This little LV tape is small and light. Price
>> has gone up $2 since I first tried one of these.
>
>I have two of those, but from day one kept having problems with the hook
>slipping off any edge. Basically, both of mine are useless for my
>purposes, so they gather dust in a drawer.
>
>AAMOF, I even wrote to Rob about the problem years ago, so sounds they
>might have fixed it by now?
I've had these tapes since Ike hit us, so that was just over 3 years ago, if
that helps you compare their age with your tapes. I gave the last of my
originals (5-6 years old now) away right after Ike to one of my neighbors and
ordered this batch.
I don't remember the previous set having obvious hook slipping problems so can't
say if these three are better or worse than the previous ones. There are three
shallow grooves on the back of the hook I presume to reduce slippage. If yours
don't have the grooves, then Rob must have listened to you and tried to fix the
problem.
I don't think these hook quite as well as the bigger tapes, but they are only
1/2 inch wide so not as rigid nor do they have as big a hook as a 3/4 or 1"
tape. Having said that, I don't find these difficult or inconvenient to use for
cabinet work, but it is pretty rare I need to measure anything much over 4-5
feet. A wider tape is a big advantage when measuring 6 feet or more just
because they are self supporting.
Now, having typed that, I had to go out to the garashop to experiment. The
little LV tapes are self supporting to 3'9". My little 5' Zippo that lives in
my pocket collapses at 21 inches. I tested a brand new Jorgensen, my old
standby Stanley and a Kobolt. Each one of these is 1" wide, 25' long and each
one of them was self supporting to within a few inches either side of 8' even.
I don't know what in the hell that has to do with your original question, but
there ya go.
On 10/30/2011 7:06 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> JayPique wrote:
>> I've owned quite a few different tape measures, but haven't found what
>> I deem to be "the one" for woodworking. My favorite thus far seems to
>> be the Stanley 33-116. I love the size of it, which is probably why I
>> keep buying them. If I could change it though, I would get rid of the
>> 32nd marks over the first 12 inches of the tape. Maybe it's my eyes,
>> but those little lines just all sort of blur together. And who is
>> going to use a tape measure at all if they are shooting for 64th of an
>> inch accuracy? The only other thing that I might do is put in the
>> eighth-inch labels. But overall, it's my favorite. So far...
>>
>> JP
>
> My brother gave me a Komelon 16 footer, self-locking which I like very
> much. It has the usual marks at 16", which I understand. It also has
> marks at 19+ inches which turns out to be 1/5 of 8'. Not being a
> carpenter I don't know why you would want to divide an 8 foot panel into
> fifths, unless it has something to do with roofing. Can anyone enlighten
> me on this?
>
the marking are what we call the 19-2 layout (19 and 2/10ths inches).
used more with floor trusses. the floor trusses are strong enough to be
spaced just over 19 inches apart and a sheet of floor decking still
works being half on the truss at eight feet. floor trusses are made of
2x4's and steel plates.
Read more:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_black_diamond_markings_on_a_tape_measure#ixzz1cGzOtNXG
Swingman wrote:
> On 10/31/2011 8:40 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Yea, never saw that one. It appears to have a manual lock, not like the
>> one I have...
>> This is what I was referring to.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-SL2812-Self-12-Foot-Power/dp/B000BQ7WGI/ref=sr_1_13?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320111547&sr=1-13
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2011 1:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2011 7:43 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>> Swingman, which 12 footer did you get. I have the green one I don't know
>>>> if my number matches. but on Amazon it looks like it might be SL2812
>>>>
>>>> I see they have a yellow SL2912...
>>>>
>>>> I didn't see where either said MM...Although the SL2912 looks like the
>>>> tape is marked with fractions.
>>>
>>> This is the one I ordered:
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Komelon-4912IM-Professional-12-Foot-Metric/dp/B000CFJB08/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
>
> UPS hit about an hour ago. The Komelon's are smooth operating; hooks
> work well; nice size and weight for the shop apron; and just a shade off
> my Stanley's at 73" (less than 1/128"), but that might be because the
> line weight is lighter (which makes for better interpolation); parallax
> with camera, HDR application on the cell phone which takes four shots,
> not too steady hand; plus the edge of the table might have thrown things
> off a bit:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/November12011?authkey=Gv1sRgCKL1u5qN0If_fQ#5670099690119697794
>
> When measuring a piece of wood I noticed no discrepancy other than the
> Komelon's line was finer which makes for more precision (and indecision
> for the AR).
>
> I do like the "mm" scale, which is basically what I bought these for. I
> am concerned about the plastic case ... wondering if they will survive a
> fall off an eight foot ladder?
>
> I'd say that, for the price, and since they seem to fill my main
> requirement of jiving with my table saw fence tape as well as having the
> mm scale, they may get as much use as the Stanleys, particularly when
> doing Festool work.
>
I compared the hook on my Kamelon with a Stanley and a Lee Valley. The
last two have a nearly right angle with grooves across the inside.
The K has a incurve at the edge which might help preventing a
slip-off. I have not used it enough to tell. Also the hook has a
reinforcement on the underside of the tape. This should make the end
of the tape more rigid. The last Stanley I had to fail split at the end.
--
Gerald Ross
Afraid of heights? Not me, I'm afraid
of widths! --Steven Wright
On 11/1/2011 4:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> I have 5 Fast Cap tape measures, I have had 2 replaced free of charge by
> the manufacturer. No big deal and all handled through e-mail.
Glad they work for you. I've got your 40% problem rate, but in my case
it was 100%. The two I've had were problematic from the get go. The one
I currently have, flat, flexible and great for measuring around curved
parts, was extended to its legitimate length just once (not
over-extended) and immediately thereafter will not retract all the way.
Grrrrr ... too badm because I like the concept.
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