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"Todd the wood junkie"

13/04/2006 7:25 AM

Neighbor just lost thumb

Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
ahead anyway.

I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
because of your decision.


This topic has 42 replies

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 2:37 PM

Ironic, all those perfect cuts and the last one is the one that is tragic.

A good reminder that it can happen to any one at any time. Good advice to
remind us to take and use every precaution that we can.



"Todd the wood junkie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> ahead anyway.
>
> I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> because of your decision.
>

j

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 8:54 AM


Todd the wood junkie wrote:
> Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> ahead anyway.
>
> I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> because of your decision.

Do you have more details on what happened. Was the thumb actually under
the blade when making the cut, somehow drawn into the blade, was the
blade gaurd operational...?
With each of my tools I have always spent some time thinking of what
can go wrong when using them so I have a mental images of what not to
do. I have never come up with to many things for a CMS
Thanks
Joe

Br

"Bob"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 10:45 AM

This makes me ill. So did my
doctor's story ( he's a woodworker also) about a
patient who had cut off both thumbs a few years
apart on the same commercial shop table saw.
Seems to happen more often than I want to think
about.

Gg

"Genedoc"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 11:26 AM

Reminds me of when I was a high school lad, we had a neighbor who was a
retired surgon. Had the best woodworking shop I have seen, even though
he had severed the fingers of his left hand on a table saw driving him
into retirement. He was a very careful woodworker when I knew him.
Made a lasting impression on safety.
Someone on the rec. a number of years ago passed on their grandfathers
advice "where will it go if it slips" if you can't give a good answer
to that question, stop.

Work safe, David

bb

"brianlanning"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 12:09 PM

>Said she
>got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
>ahead anyway.

When I bought a new miter saw, I intentionally got one with a laser.
Partially for the neato factor and partially because I may acutally use
it instead of measuing, but mainly because it casts a bright red light
on my fingers whenever they're in the way.

brian

bb

"brianlanning"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 1:31 PM

>Leave a
>finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.

I agree. The miter saw (together with the table saw and jointer) have
a huge pucker factor for me. So I'm always ultra careful with those
machines (really all of them, but those machines moreso). The laser
just gives me one more reassurance that my parts aren't in the way.

brian

bb

"brianlanning"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 1:35 PM

>I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
>is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the light
>to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.

I have the PC cms. It has a separate switch for the laser. I was
equally annoyed by the saws where the laser was attached to the motor
switch.

So far, even with the laser, I've still been bringing the blade down
(with the motor off) to match up the blade and the cut line.

brian

tt

"tom"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 9:25 PM

Mr Clements wrote: the next question is, who takes off there rings when
using tools? <snip
I don't wear jewellry, but I will get a little careless with
shirtsleeves and the like. Okay, I'll be more careful. Sorry to hear
about your neighbor, Todd. Tom

rr

"redice"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 9:33 AM


Ba r r y wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:17 -0500, Frank Boettcher
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >I've taken to putting my safety glasses (prescription) in a place
> >where I have to bump into them the minute I walk in the shop.
>
> Me too, in the chest pocket of the apron.
>
> Prescription safety glasses are a godsend to glasses wearers. They
> also save wear and tear, as well as finish splashes, on the expensive
> "street" glasses.

I would second that I absolutely love my prescription safety glasses
the first thing I do when getting into the shop is take off my good
glasses and throw on the prescription safety glasses. Its like a bonus
being that there prescription and you dont want to scratch/dirty up
your day glasses you actualy remind yourself to change to the safety
glasses so you dont mess up your good glasses.

Untill a few years ago I never used safety glasses, a few years ago I
got my first pair of prescription glasses..... I will never have laser
surgery because I value my eyesight to much, glasses any kind of
glasses could save my eyesight on a daily bases im glad my eyesight got
a little worse will most likely have saved it in the longrun.

Bm

"Bugs"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 5:42 AM

Yeah, I learned to work 'scared' after my neighbor lopped off a finger
on his table saw. A cutting sled adds immeasurably to safety on a table
saw. I consider radials just plain dangerous and got rid of mine.
Bugs

ee

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 6:52 AM

"My only problem with the goggles is that when I wear a dust mask my
glasses
seem to fog up."
That was the main reason I bought a respirator. Not a really expensive
one but I can change the filters for dust or vapor, and the exhaust
vent is at the bottom so it never fogs up the glasses. Much easier to
breathe in it too.

I *look* like I'm handling Toxic Waste from Hell when I'm all dressed
up with the mask and the glasses, but I'm much more comfortable than I
was with that cloth mask.

Tt

"Todd the wood junkie"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

17/04/2006 1:05 PM

My mistake, I just spoke with her husband today and learned that she
was cutting the piece of flooring with a circular saw, not a CMS. They
own a miter saw, I don't know what possessed here to not use it. She
put her left hand on top of the piece and held in on a table, no clamp.
With her right hand she held the saw. The piece slipped and her thumb
went under the blade.

CMS users can breathe a little easier.

ba

"bremen68"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

19/04/2006 10:10 AM

<<SNIP>>

> I think tied into that is for power tools and other toys like skis and
> motorcycles, when you lose your fear you get hurt..
> I'll admit in a heart beat that I'm scared of a spinning saw blade... and I
> think that fear/healthy respect/whatever keeps you safer..
> Mac
>


When the fear goes......so do the digits. I hope to never lose my
fear/respect of power tools.

Last night I was cleaning my mower deck with a stripper on my
drill....One of those with the sets of metal fingers on a disk......My
face shield was laying beside me as I was working and I thought...you
know, I just was reading yesterday on the "rec"....So I put it on...Not
two minutes later one of the metal fingers bounced off the
shield.......

I don't know if my glasses would have caught it or not, either way it
made me take a minute. What I do know is those things HURT coming off
there.

I always mutter to myself "10 in... 10 out" when I go into the shop, I
keep threatening to put a sign up with that on it.... A couple of
friends make fun occasionally because I use a shield, wear ear plugs,
gloves, and miscellaneous other protective stuff....I just smile and
tell them I have tender sissy office skin and it has to be taken care
of...Make as much fun as you like, I'm not fond of bleeding. :-)

ba

"bremen68"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

20/04/2006 8:48 AM

I just love the amusing and quaint qualities of a rant like this one.

Having the art of being "just" clear enough to know that you are indeed
ranting about the string you're posting in, but at the same time being
"just" vague enough to be completely confusing......

Kudos to you RM MS. 8-)

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 10:47 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Being a devote coward, I usually use a clamp on the CMS if I'm cutting
>> anywhere
>> near my hands..
>
>Thank you for putting yet another label on me, mac.
>Devote Coward. Yessireebob.. that'd be me.
>When it comes to whirling metal, words like Respect, Fear, Appreciation
>and many more have all been dragged to trash.
>I get weak knees when Wiley E Coyote catches the full brunt of his own
>sadistic ineptitude. (I realize he's a villain, and a nasty one at that,
>but an anvil??)
>I feel much better now that I know I'm chicken.

You're no chicken, you turkey! <grin>


pR

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

20/04/2006 6:45 AM

Now There is the most sensible thing I ever heard in this whining group
of wannabees. Stay calm, use your head, wait for the signs. THROW AWAY
THAT DARN KILLER TABLE SAW GUARD !!! Don't do shaky setups. Do
everything else. Some day you will be comfortable, but believe me, it
takes more than time, it takes DOING it every day for a long time AND
THEN YOU WILL SEE HOW IT ALL ROLLS TOGETHER.

md

mac davis

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 8:30 AM

On 13 Apr 2006 07:25:19 -0700, "Todd the wood junkie" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
>accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
>severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
>was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
>got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
>ahead anyway.
>
>I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
>extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
>whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
>to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
>doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
>not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
>because of your decision.

Sort of what happens when you lose that healthy fear of sharp, spinning metal
parts... usually in a case like you mentioned, where you're doing a lot of cuts
and start taking things for granted.. bites you in the ass and you say "I knew
better than to do that".. human nature, I guess.. BTDT..

Being a devote coward, I usually use a clamp on the CMS if I'm cutting anywhere
near my hands..
Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

FD

"Frank Drackman"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 6:22 PM


"Todd the wood junkie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> ahead anyway.
>
> I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> because of your decision.
>

Do you have any more information how it happened? Did something slip during
the cut or was it a simple "the thumb was in the way and I didn't think
about it"?

My stomach is sick thinking about it. I hope that she gets through it OK.

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 4:50 PM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:43 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>>
>> While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
>> to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
>> finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.
>>
>> As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
>> exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder.
>
>You are absolutely dead on. It's the people that think that they use all
>the safety precautions that end up in the ER. It's the people that know
>that it could happen and know that they do not know every possible scenario
>that probably have the least amount of accidents.

You're right. even those most cognizant of all the safety precautions
can have a momentary lapse or become overconfident and it's hard to
slow down and think about each action.

I've taken to putting my safety glasses (prescription) in a place
where I have to bump into them the minute I walk in the shop. Did
this after multiple times catching myself with them off.

Frank

Cs

"CW"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 5:17 AM

For that reason, I never wore dog tags in the military either. Kept them in
my pocket. Would have been rather exciting to get them into a 750 amp
generator.

"Oleg Lego" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The CW entity posted thusly:
>
> >Been married for 24 years. Never had or would I wear a ring. Just
something
> >to remember to take off (and probably loose).
>
> A friend in the air force (RCAF) was working on a CF104 one day. I
> don't know exactly where he put his hand while trying to find some
> part or another, but his ring got between a 28 volt rail and something
> grounded. It melted about 3/8 of the circumference off the ring,
> charring his finger badly in the process. They saved his finger, but
> it never looked or worked quite right after that.
>
> The day that happened, I took my ring off, and never wore another one.
>

GB

"George Berlinger"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 4:16 PM

My miter-saw doesn,t have a light either. Pay attention to where your
hands are. I get nervous when I let go of the trigger n its still going
around, the electric brake wearing down. Figured that one out.....the blade
nut needed tightening....works better. Lil things that need adjusting should
be taking care of....



"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> but mainly because it casts a bright red light
>>> on my fingers whenever they're in the way.
>>
>>I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
>>is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the
>>light
>>to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.
>
> While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
> to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
> finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.
>
> As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
> exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.
>
> Thanks for the reminder.
>
> Greg Guarino

RC

Richard Clements

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 9:41 PM

the next question is, who takes off there rings when using tools?

my high school shop teacher had a picture of a student that didn't and it
got caught in the table saw, split his forarm like a gutted fish all the
way to the elbow where it pulled the ligaments out

Todd the wood junkie wrote:

> Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> ahead anyway.
>
> I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> because of your decision.


--
if corn oil comes from corn,
and olive oil comes from olives
where dose baby oil come from?

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

20/04/2006 9:30 PM


"RM MS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now There is the most sensible thing I ever heard in this whining group
> of wannabees. Stay calm, use your head, wait for the signs. THROW AWAY
> THAT DARN KILLER TABLE SAW GUARD !!! Don't do shaky setups. Do
> everything else. Some day you will be comfortable, but believe me, it
> takes more than time, it takes DOING it every day for a long time AND
> THEN YOU WILL SEE HOW IT ALL ROLLS TOGETHER.
>

Care to enlighten the rest of us about who and what you are replying to?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

OL

Oleg Lego

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 11:13 PM

The CW entity posted thusly:

>Been married for 24 years. Never had or would I wear a ring. Just something
>to remember to take off (and probably loose).

A friend in the air force (RCAF) was working on a CF104 one day. I
don't know exactly where he put his hand while trying to find some
part or another, but his ring got between a 28 volt rail and something
grounded. It melted about 3/8 of the circumference off the ring,
charring his finger badly in the process. They saved his finger, but
it never looked or worked quite right after that.

The day that happened, I took my ring off, and never wore another one.

TD

Tim Douglass

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

17/04/2006 6:10 PM

On 17 Apr 2006 13:05:01 -0700, "Todd the wood junkie"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>My mistake, I just spoke with her husband today and learned that she
>was cutting the piece of flooring with a circular saw, not a CMS. They
>own a miter saw, I don't know what possessed here to not use it. She
>put her left hand on top of the piece and held in on a table, no clamp.
> With her right hand she held the saw. The piece slipped and her thumb
>went under the blade.

I have come so close to doing that same thing. It is one of those "one
last cut" moments that you know better but do anyway.

--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Mm

Markem

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 1:48 AM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:41:29 -0600, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>the next question is, who takes off there rings when using tools?

Me for sure those might have been US Air Force safety pick you where
looking at.

Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 7:58 PM


"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
>>is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the
>>light
>>to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.
>
> I have the PC cms. It has a separate switch for the laser. I was
> equally annoyed by the saws where the laser was attached to the motor
> switch.
>
> So far, even with the laser, I've still been bringing the blade down
> (with the motor off) to match up the blade and the cut line.
>
Same here.

I draw a line on the board and position it roughly against the fence. Then I
bring the saw down to move the line to the saw blade. I then position my
other hand when the saw is down. I then lift the saw, turn it on and
complete the cut. My holding hand is stationary during the whole process.
The only hand that moves is the one that grabs the handle on top of the saw.

I like my hand and all its fingers. I take good care of them. I have been
known, since I was a kid, as a safety freak.



VB

"Vic Baron"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 4:27 PM


"Todd the wood junkie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> ahead anyway.
>
> I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> because of your decision.
>

I don't have a miter saw so, when I read of something like this I wonder HOW
something like that could happen? I've read of people having their hand in
the way of a radial arm saw, so I guess this is the same? Forgetting that
your fingers are in line with the blade? Can the fingers be pulled into the
blade if in close proximity? Just curious. Don't really have room for one
so I probably will avoid the problem BUT still nice to be aware. I've been
ww'ing for almost 50 years and still can play the piano with all 10.

Vic

ER

Enoch Root

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

17/04/2006 9:05 PM

Todd the wood junkie wrote:
> My mistake, I just spoke with her husband today and learned that she
> was cutting the piece of flooring with a circular saw, not a CMS. They
> own a miter saw, I don't know what possessed here to not use it. She
> put her left hand on top of the piece and held in on a table, no clamp.
> With her right hand she held the saw. The piece slipped and her thumb
> went under the blade.

Why, O why! is the imagination so much more graphic when someone
recounts such a tale, than when one is prepping for a cut?

Hmm, seems like a good tool.

er
--
email not valid

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 8:16 PM


"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>
> While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
> to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
> finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.
>
> As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
> exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.
>
> Thanks for the reminder.

You are absolutely dead on. It's the people that think that they use all
the safety precautions that end up in the ER. It's the people that know
that it could happen and know that they do not know every possible scenario
that probably have the least amount of accidents.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 8:07 PM


"Genedoc" wrote

> Someone on the rec. a number of years ago passed on their grandfathers
> advice "where will it go if it slips" if you can't give a good answer
> to that question, stop.
>

Yep, that is a good rule. I had a couple of good shop teachers who lived by
that rule. One guy was a fanatic about it. He would walk around and give
demerits for safety violations. Enough demerits, you got kicked out of the
class.

His explanation was simple and a bit dramatic. Get set up on the saw (or
other shop equipment). Get your stock in place and be ready to turn on the
saw. Now position yourself so if you were to have a heart attack, you would
fall AWAY from the rapidly turning part with teeth. He went so far as to
put some padding down and have us fall into the padding.

To this day, I position myself at a table saw to fall away from the blade. I
have to put my feet a little wide to do this. I also have to lean away. It
may seem extreme to some. But my fingers and other body parts have
benefited from this perpetual safety exercise.


Cs

"CW"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 12:11 AM

Been married for 24 years. Never had or would I wear a ring. Just something
to remember to take off (and probably loose).

"Richard Clements" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> the next question is, who takes off there rings when using tools?
>
> my high school shop teacher had a picture of a student that didn't and it
> got caught in the table saw, split his forarm like a gutted fish all the
> way to the elbow where it pulled the ligaments out
>
> Todd the wood junkie wrote:
>
> > Last friday, my next door neighbor lost her thumb in a miter saw
> > accident. They couldn't find the thumb (disintegrated), and it was
> > severed below the first segment. She was laying hardwood flooring, and
> > was cutting the very last piece that would go in a closet. Said she
> > got a bad feeling the way she was holding the wood in the saw, but went
> > ahead anyway.
> >
> > I watched her 3 girls for a little while before her husband and
> > extended family arrived. Her 10 year old (oldest) daughter saw the
> > whole thing. The shell shocked look in the childrens faces was enough
> > to make me ALWAYS listen to that voice or funny feeling I get when I am
> > doing something risky. Take the extra hour or two to make a jig, if
> > not for your own good for those who may never explore this craft
> > because of your decision.
>
>
> --
> if corn oil comes from corn,
> and olive oil comes from olives
> where dose baby oil come from?

Br

Ba r r y

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 10:52 AM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:17 -0500, Frank Boettcher
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I've taken to putting my safety glasses (prescription) in a place
>where I have to bump into them the minute I walk in the shop.

Me too, in the chest pocket of the apron.

Prescription safety glasses are a godsend to glasses wearers. They
also save wear and tear, as well as finish splashes, on the expensive
"street" glasses.

md

mac davis

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

18/04/2006 9:20 AM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:50:12 GMT, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> but mainly because it casts a bright red light
>>> on my fingers whenever they're in the way.
>>
>>I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
>>is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the light
>>to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.
>
>While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
>to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
>finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.
>
>As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
>exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.
>
>Thanks for the reminder.
>
>Greg Guarino

From what I've read here, most bad things that happen on a CMS aren't because
you had a body part in the way of the blade, but that either the piece was too
short to be hand held or not secured well, and the blade twisted the work and
carried the hand into the blade..

I've got a $15 toggle clamp on my CMS and I think of it as a very good
investment.. I let the clamp hold the work..
Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 11:19 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

> Being a devote coward, I usually use a clamp on the CMS if I'm cutting
> anywhere
> near my hands..

Thank you for putting yet another label on me, mac.
Devote Coward. Yessireebob.. that'd be me.
When it comes to whirling metal, words like Respect, Fear, Appreciation
and many more have all been dragged to trash.
I get weak knees when Wiley E Coyote catches the full brunt of his own
sadistic ineptitude. (I realize he's a villain, and a nasty one at that,
but an anvil??)
I feel much better now that I know I'm chicken.


r

BB

Bruce Barnett

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 8:08 PM

"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:

> Ironic, all those perfect cuts and the last one is the one that is tragic.
>
> A good reminder that it can happen to any one at any time. Good advice to
> remind us to take and use every precaution that we can.

And don't rush to finish. Especially when you are tired!

--
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md

mac davis

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

18/04/2006 9:23 AM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:43 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>>
>> While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
>> to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
>> finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.
>>
>> As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
>> exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder.
>
>You are absolutely dead on. It's the people that think that they use all
>the safety precautions that end up in the ER. It's the people that know
>that it could happen and know that they do not know every possible scenario
>that probably have the least amount of accidents.
>

I think tied into that is for power tools and other toys like skis and
motorcycles, when you lose your fear you get hurt..
I'll admit in a heart beat that I'm scared of a spinning saw blade... and I
think that fear/healthy respect/whatever keeps you safer..
Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 7:50 PM

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:33 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> but mainly because it casts a bright red light
>> on my fingers whenever they're in the way.
>
>I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
>is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the light
>to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.

While reading this thread I was thinking, that couldn't really happen
to me. It could only happen to a really careless person. Leave a
finger in the path of a mitre saw??? Geez.

As I read more of the posts it occurred to me that that is probably
exactly the attitude that got those people hurt.

Thanks for the reminder.

Greg Guarino

OL

"Owen Lawrence"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

14/04/2006 6:54 PM


"redice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ba r r y wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:50:17 -0500, Frank Boettcher
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I've taken to putting my safety glasses (prescription) in a place
>> >where I have to bump into them the minute I walk in the shop.
>>
>> Me too, in the chest pocket of the apron.
>>
>> Prescription safety glasses are a godsend to glasses wearers. They
>> also save wear and tear, as well as finish splashes, on the expensive
>> "street" glasses.
>
> I would second that I absolutely love my prescription safety glasses
> the first thing I do when getting into the shop is take off my good
> glasses and throw on the prescription safety glasses. Its like a bonus
> being that there prescription and you dont want to scratch/dirty up
> your day glasses you actualy remind yourself to change to the safety
> glasses so you dont mess up your good glasses.
>
> Untill a few years ago I never used safety glasses, a few years ago I
> got my first pair of prescription glasses..... I will never have laser
> surgery because I value my eyesight to much, glasses any kind of
> glasses could save my eyesight on a daily bases im glad my eyesight got
> a little worse will most likely have saved it in the longrun.

I always try to get my prescription glasses so the lens won't shatter shards
into my eye if anything makes it through my goggles. I always wear goggles,
and whenever I catch myself wanting to make a simple bandsaw cut or drill a
small hole without putting them on, I hear myself thinking, "Zero
tolerance!" and on go the goggles.

I have never understood why people think safety glasses alone are safe. The
top part of my cheeks (just under my eyes) seems like a little deflection
ramp, perfectly angled to ricochet any incoming matter directly into my eye.

My only problem with the goggles is that when I wear a dust mask my glasses
seem to fog up.

- Owen -

Mk

"MikeMac"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 2:48 PM

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"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

13/04/2006 7:29 PM


"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> but mainly because it casts a bright red light
> on my fingers whenever they're in the way.

I still like to bring the blade down to see where it is and where my hand
is. I don't like the models that must have the blade running for the light
to come on. That seems too dangerous to me.

Aa

"Al"

in reply to "Todd the wood junkie" on 13/04/2006 7:25 AM

15/04/2006 5:27 AM

That would definately charge your batteries.

Al

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2m%%[email protected]...
> For that reason, I never wore dog tags in the military either. Kept them
> in
> my pocket. Would have been rather exciting to get them into a 750 amp
> generator.
>
> "Oleg Lego" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The CW entity posted thusly:
>>
>> >Been married for 24 years. Never had or would I wear a ring. Just
> something
>> >to remember to take off (and probably loose).
>>
>> A friend in the air force (RCAF) was working on a CF104 one day. I
>> don't know exactly where he put his hand while trying to find some
>> part or another, but his ring got between a 28 volt rail and something
>> grounded. It melted about 3/8 of the circumference off the ring,
>> charring his finger badly in the process. They saved his finger, but
>> it never looked or worked quite right after that.
>>
>> The day that happened, I took my ring off, and never wore another one.
>>
>
>


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