We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
number. It ignores number blocking.
Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
had :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Depends. Used to be an 800 number could be had for a monthly fee or
>> pay as you go. I'd guess it's still the same.
>
>Leased, but never without a per call charge.
"not exactly". like with 'WATS' (packaged outgoing long-distance),
there was a 'fixed' monthly fee for the base service, which included a
certain allotment of time -- how much time was bundled in varied, depending
on the pice you were willing to pay. Minutes 'over' the bundled ones
were charged at a higher rate than the bundled ones. Very much the same
way many cell-phone rates work today.
There _was_ a 'top end' tier that was 'unmetered' usage. It cost a _lot_,
IIRC, and it's been a *LONG* time since I knew about those rates, you had
to be doing something like 15+ hours of calls per day, 7 days a week,
for every line, before the 'unmetered' rate was better than paying the
overage charges on the 'next to top' tier bundle.
*THESE*DAYS*, the 'fixed monthly fee' can be as low as a dollar or two,
mostly for 'having' the number, with 'zero' included minutes, and a per-
minute charge more-or-less in the $0.05 to $0.10 range. Not uncommon is
$0.02/minu53 higher than what you pay for outgoing calls. HOWEVER, you'll
get dinged $0.50 to $1.00 _additional_, regardless of call length, for each
call originating from a pay phone. $0.35, IIRC, of that goes directly to
the pay-phone owner. The remainder is a 'nuisance fee' charged by your
service provider for all the extra bookkeeping *they* have to do to pay
out that $0.35.
> 800 numbers are and always
>have been quite an expense for the owner.
They've gotten *incredibly* inexpensive, vs the 'old days'. In the 1970s,
the _minimum_ charge for having either 800 or WATS service (one line)
was several _hundred_ dollars. and included only something like 5-10
hours of talk time.e
Today, that service might cost $5 per month, with no bundled time, and
10 hours (600 minutes) is going to be under $100 of usage charges.
In 'constant dollar' terms the cost for such service today is _less_than_
FIVE PERCENT of what it cost in, say 1973.
Of course, even today, it's still cheaper for the business if the calling
party pays for the call. <grin>
In article <[email protected]>,
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
>>> calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
>>> of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
>>
>> Yes. The owner of the 800 number always pays for every call received.
>> It's one of the priviledges of owning an 800 number.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>>
>
>Even more fun when your 800 number is one digit different than Alaska
>Airline.
Don't fight it, just 'accept' the reservations -- you've *always* got
seats available. And 'unadvertised specials' for pricing. <evil grin>
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
>when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
>was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
>So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
>number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
>number. It ignores number blocking.
>
>Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
Nope. The owner of the 800 number is paying for the call. The only way
they can tell if they're paying the correct amount is if they know where
the call is coming from.
"CallerID blocking" blocks *only* callerid, not 800-numbe ANI.
If you don't want your number disclosed simply *DON'T*CALL*800* numbers.
As long as *YOU* pay for the call, your number won't be given out with
callerID blocking.
It's the 'golden rule' in action -- he who has the gold (and pays the bills)
gets to decide. ,grin>
>At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
>had :-).
You simply misunderstood _what_ you have. You have "CallerID blocking".
It works. It *DOES* do what it claims -- blocks delivery of CallerID
info - and **ONLY* 'CallerID' info. It does *NOT* block your info when
you call 911, as I'm sure you already knew, *if* you'd thought about it.
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my
> surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the
> call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called
> automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I
> thought I
> had :-).
---------------------------------------
Who ever pays the cost of 800 service automatically gets the caller
ID.
If you want to screw the pooch, get a Magic Jack Line.
Your Magic Jack number is meaningless except to Magic Jack.
Lew
Robatoy wrote:
>
> My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
> calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
> of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
Yes. The owner of the 800 number always pays for every call received. It's
one of the priviledges of owning an 800 number.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Depends. Used to be an 800 number could be had for a monthly fee or
> pay as you go. I'd guess it's still the same.
Leased, but never without a per call charge. 800 numbers are and always
have been quite an expense for the owner.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:14:18 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robatoy wrote:
>
>>
>> My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
>> calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
>> of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
>
>Yes. The owner of the 800 number always pays for every call received. It's
>one of the priviledges of owning an 800 number.
I believe some of the VOIP phone providers are now providing InWatts
service (800 numbers) free of incoming charges with some of their
packages.
Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> You simply misunderstood _what_ you have. You have "CallerID
> blocking".
> It works. It *DOES* do what it claims -- blocks delivery of CallerID
> info - and **ONLY* 'CallerID' info. It does *NOT* block your info
> when
> you call 911, as I'm sure you already knew, *if* you'd thought about
> it.
Precisely. CallerID and ANI are not the same thing. CallerID is a feature
your phone company offers to you as a fee based service. ANI exists on
every call made. The phone company knows and transfers this information
throughout their network on all calls. Just because you block CallerID, or
do not subscribe to the service, does not in any way imply that the
telephone company network is not fully aware of your number. How else would
phone billing work?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
>
>>
>> My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
>> calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
>> of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
>
> Yes. The owner of the 800 number always pays for every call received.
> It's one of the priviledges of owning an 800 number.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
Even more fun when your 800 number is one digit different than Alaska
Airline.
In article <[email protected]>,
Joe AutoDrill <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
>> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
>> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>>
>> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
>> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
>> number. It ignores number blocking.
>>
>> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>>
>> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
>> had :-).
>
>As others have said, ANI is available to 800, 888, 877, 866 and any other
>toll free number protocol users that exist because they are paying for the
>call. There is no simple way to block ANI when calling an 800 number.
>
>Robort Bonomi - ANI absolutely does pre-date consumer caller ID by the
>way...
>
>However, it can be done contrary to what Artemus says. It just isn't as
>simple as paying a few pennies to block your number the same way you do for
>Caller ID.
>
>The "best" way to block your number is to spoof it with your own private
>PBX.
That fools CallerID, but _not_ ANI. If it did_, you could run up 'infinite'
LD charges on "somebody else's number". <grin>
>there are other ways by redirtecting your call through certain services or
>operators who re-route your call and thus strip your call of ANI information
>before it hits the 800 number...
Yup. if you go through certai kinds of 'forwarding' services -- that *you*
PAY FOR -- they'll take out your call information and insert their own.
> For now, just go down to the convenience store or Wally World or Worst Buy
> or wherever and shell out green money for a prepaid no-contract cell
> phone. A few states require that you show ID when paying cash for a
> prepaid cell phone and Schumer is trying to get it required nationally,
> but it's so far not required in most places. They can still track the
> phone but they can't trace it to you unless they catch you with it.
True... Good idea.
--
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On Jul 29, 1:05=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> > We have our number blocked on our land line phone. =A0Imagine my
> > surprise
> > when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the
> > call
> > was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> > So I did some investigating. =A0Seems there's a technique called
> > automatic
> > number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> > number. =A0It ignores number blocking.
>
> > Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> > At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I
> > thought I
> > had :-).
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Who ever pays the cost of 800 service automatically gets the caller
> ID.
>
> If you want to screw the pooch, get a Magic Jack Line.
>
> Your Magic Jack number is meaningless except to Magic Jack.
How does anyone call you? Or do you mean your outbound (reported)
number isn't the same as your (inbound) number?
Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>
>>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Depends. Used to be an 800 number could be had for a monthly fee or
>>> pay as you go. I'd guess it's still the same.
>>
>> Leased, but never without a per call charge.
>
> "not exactly". like with 'WATS' (packaged outgoing long-distance),
> there was a 'fixed' monthly fee for the base service, which included a
> certain allotment of time -- how much time was bundled in varied,
> depending on the pice you were willing to pay. Minutes 'over' the
> bundled ones
> were charged at a higher rate than the bundled ones. Very much the
> same way many cell-phone rates work today.
>
<snip Robert's explanation of the rate structure...
You're right Robert - and I took the short cut by simply stating there was a
per call fee. Your breakdown of plans is quite correct (or correct enough
for the discussion at hand), but within the plans there is a built in call
fee.
>
>> 800 numbers are and
>> always have been quite an expense for the owner.
>
> They've gotten *incredibly* inexpensive, vs the 'old days'. In the
> 1970s, the _minimum_ charge for having either 800 or WATS service
> (one line)
> was several _hundred_ dollars. and included only something like 5-10
> hours of talk time.e
>
> Today, that service might cost $5 per month, with no bundled time, and
> 10 hours (600 minutes) is going to be under $100 of usage charges.
>
> In 'constant dollar' terms the cost for such service today is
> _less_than_ FIVE PERCENT of what it cost in, say 1973.
>
> Of course, even today, it's still cheaper for the business if the
> calling party pays for the call. <grin>
Yeah - it is cheaper today. One of the things that really did come about
with deregulation. I don't stay in touch with the actual rates. What I see
is that all things are relative. As rates across the board have dropped for
businesses, even the reduced rates available for 800 service today stand out
in the minds of the business paying the tab. Simply because they're seeing
it as an additional fee to their base rates.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:14:18 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
>>> calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
>>> of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
>>
>> Yes. The owner of the 800 number always pays for every call
>> received. It's one of the priviledges of owning an 800 number.
>
> I believe some of the VOIP phone providers are now providing InWatts
> service (800 numbers) free of incoming charges with some of their
> packages.
That could be. Was not aware of that.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:49:35 -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>>
>> Nope. The owner of the 800 number is paying for the call. The only way
>> they can tell if they're paying the correct amount is if they know where
>> the call is coming from.
>>
>
>I see the logic to that - no argument. I guess my complaint is that the
>phone company doesn't make that clear when someone opts for blocking.
They sell "CallerID", and "CallerID blocking".
CallerID blocking does _exactly_ wht it says it does. blocks the delivery
of _CallerID_ information.
Would you expect, if you have CallerID blocking on, that '911' would
_not_ get your phone number?
See, you _already_ knew that 'callerID blocking' doesn't block *all*
delivery of your phone number. <*BIG* grin>
You're just 'surprised' because there are *more* exceptions than you
_thought_ there were.
You 'jumped to a conclusion' without hard facts. The telco doesn't
tell you that 'callerID blocking' isn't effective when calling 911,
but you already -knew- that that was the case. The telco doesn't
tell you about other exceptions, and you _assumed_ that there weren't
any. with the usual result of 'ass-u-me'ing anything. :)
Toll-free number owners have _always_ gotten the "calling number", even
before either ANI or "CalleriD" *existed*. In the old days, they got
it, on paper, in the bill at the end of the billing cycle. ANI was a
'minor' enhancement, that simply provided the information in 'real time'.
I'd have to check, but I _believe_ that ANI _predates_ 'CallerID". In
it's traditional form, it was available *only* if you have full-blown
digital trunk lines (i.e., a "T-1" or above), delivering calls to
_your_ switchgear. There _used_ to be a few "CLECs" (competing local-
exchange carriers -- not the 'incumbant, the former 'ma bell' company)
who offered ANI delivered via callerID technology for folks with _small_
toll-fre operations. I don't know if anybody _still_ does that.
> In
>fact, I called the phone company to ask why my number wasn't blocked and
>was told they had no idea. Hopefully, that was because of a single
>employee's ignorance, not a company policy.
Did you explain you had 'callerID blocking' *AND* were calling a toll-free
number? If yes, you did get a poorly informed front-line service rep.
The telco's _are_ very careful as to what they say -- in their marketing,
etc. -- about callerID and callerID blocking. Part of it is what they
say, and part of it is what they _don't_ day. And they _are_ careful
to always say that 'callerID blocking" blocks the delivery of CallerID
info. That people who _have_callerID_ will not get your number.
Those who got your number in the past, *without* having callerID, can,
will, and *do* get your number _in_the_same_way_, today. Without
callerID.
'CallerID' blocking was implemented to provide the _same_ degree of 'privacy'
that was available *before* 'callerID' was available 'to the masses'.
It does -not- provide *complete* privacy/anonymity, and you won't find
anything in the telco literature promising that it does. -- if you *that*
is what you want, use a pay phone. :)
On Jul 29, 2:05=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> > We have our number blocked on our land line phone. =A0Imagine my
> > surprise
> > when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the
> > call
> > was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> > So I did some investigating. =A0Seems there's a technique called
> > automatic
> > number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> > number. =A0It ignores number blocking.
>
> > Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> > At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I
> > thought I
> > had :-).
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Who ever pays the cost of 800 service automatically gets the caller
> ID.
>
> If you want to screw the pooch, get a Magic Jack Line.
>
> Your Magic Jack number is meaningless except to Magic Jack.
>
> Lew
My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
In article <[email protected]>,
Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:e4ad5166-e25f-41ad-ac8c-93a53099df91@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 29, 2:05 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Larry Blanchard" wrote:
>> > We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my
>> > surprise
>> > when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the
>> > call
>> > was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>>
>> > So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called
>> > automatic
>> > number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
>> > number. It ignores number blocking.
>>
>> > Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>>
>> > At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I
>> > thought I
>> > had :-).
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Who ever pays the cost of 800 service automatically gets the caller
>> ID.
>>
>> If you want to screw the pooch, get a Magic Jack Line.
>>
>> Your Magic Jack number is meaningless except to Magic Jack.
>>
>> Lew
>
>My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
>calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
>of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
Yes, you _do_. Even a 'local' call to an 800 number costs the 800 number
owner. Calls from a 'pay phone' are _much_more_expensive_ to the 800
number operator -- which is why some 800 numbers disallow incoming calls
from pay phones.
With most toll-free numbers today, the rates are 'distance independent'.
it costs the number owner the same if you're calling from the other side
of the street, or the other side of the continent.
On 7/28/10 11:12 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
> had :-).
>
It is a perk they get to avoid abuse of the 800 number, after all they
are paying for the call.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
> had :-).
IIRC, if you do business with a company ("order") they can call you.
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
> had :-).
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
ANI is a separate system from caller ID and uses different technology.
It was developed long before caller ID and is used by the phone
companies for routing and billing. No caller can block ANI when
making a call but any commercial customer, not just those with an 8xx
numbers, can pay a premium to the phone company so they can receive
the ANI information on every call. 911 emergency call centers all use
ANI to identify who is calling them.
Art
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e4ad5166-e25f-41ad-ac8c-93a53099df91@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 29, 2:05 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> > We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my
> > surprise
> > when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the
> > call
> > was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> > So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called
> > automatic
> > number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> > number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> > Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> > At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I
> > thought I
> > had :-).
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Who ever pays the cost of 800 service automatically gets the caller
> ID.
>
> If you want to screw the pooch, get a Magic Jack Line.
>
> Your Magic Jack number is meaningless except to Magic Jack.
>
> Lew
My house phone is multiplexed on my internet and digital cable. Free
calls all across the US and Canuckistan. I wonder if I make a friend
of mine pay when I call his 800 number. Curious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends. Used to be an 800 number could be had for a monthly fee or pay as
you go. I'd guess it's still the same.
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:49:35 -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> Nope. The owner of the 800 number is paying for the call. The only way
> they can tell if they're paying the correct amount is if they know where
> the call is coming from.
>
I see the logic to that - no argument. I guess my complaint is that the
phone company doesn't make that clear when someone opts for blocking. In
fact, I called the phone company to ask why my number wasn't blocked and
was told they had no idea. Hopefully, that was because of a single
employee's ignorance, not a company policy.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:49:35 -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>>
>> Nope. The owner of the 800 number is paying for the call. The only way
>> they can tell if they're paying the correct amount is if they know where
>> the call is coming from.
>>
>
> I see the logic to that - no argument. I guess my complaint is that the
> phone company doesn't make that clear when someone opts for blocking. In
> fact, I called the phone company to ask why my number wasn't blocked and
> was told they had no idea. Hopefully, that was because of a single
> employee's ignorance, not a company policy.
Which phone company? Could very well be top to bottom ignorance.
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 8/2/2010 8:20 AM, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>>> The "best" way to block your number is to spoof it with your own private
>>> PBX.
>>
>> That fools CallerID, but _not_ ANI. If it did_, you could run up
>> 'infinite'
>> LD charges on "somebody else's number".<grin>
>
> You are correct. My error.
>
>>> there are other ways by redirtecting your call through certain services or
>>> operators who re-route your call and thus strip your call of ANI
>>> information
>>> before it hits the 800 number...
>>
>> Yup. if you go through certai kinds of 'forwarding' services -- that *you*
>> PAY FOR -- they'll take out your call information and insert their own.
>
> There are some free ways to do it also... But they are few and far between
> these days and probably pseudo-legal or at least pseudo-moral. I'd just use
> a pay phone... Oh wait, they are all gone for the most part.
For now, just go down to the convenience store or Wally World or Worst
Buy or wherever and shell out green money for a prepaid no-contract cell
phone. A few states require that you show ID when paying cash for a
prepaid cell phone and Schumer is trying to get it required nationally,
but it's so far not required in most places. They can still track the
phone but they can't trace it to you unless they catch you with it.
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
> had :-).
>
800 (and other toll-free) number owners are toting the tab for your call;
therefore, they want to know who is calling them. It avoids abuse.
--
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Rob Leatham
>>The "best" way to block your number is to spoof it with your own private
>>PBX.
>
> That fools CallerID, but _not_ ANI. If it did_, you could run up
> 'infinite'
> LD charges on "somebody else's number". <grin>
You are correct. My error.
>>there are other ways by redirtecting your call through certain services or
>>operators who re-route your call and thus strip your call of ANI
>>information
>>before it hits the 800 number...
>
> Yup. if you go through certai kinds of 'forwarding' services -- that *you*
> PAY FOR -- they'll take out your call information and insert their own.
There are some free ways to do it also... But they are few and far between
these days and probably pseudo-legal or at least pseudo-moral. I'd just use
a pay phone... Oh wait, they are all gone for the most part.
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Try signing up at the following web site:
http://www.spoofcard.com
For toll free numbers, it forwards spoofcard's phone number when you make
the call.
For typical (non-800# type) calls, it forwards the numbr you request that it
send.
The price is a bit high if you look at the per minute charges... but if you
want the privacy, then it's important and worthwhile.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
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"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We have our number blocked on our land line phone. Imagine my surprise
> when I called a merchants 800 number this morning and as soon as the call
> was answered a computer voice informed me of the status of my order.
>
> So I did some investigating. Seems there's a technique called automatic
> number identification that's available to any owner of an 800 etc.
> number. It ignores number blocking.
>
> Sort of destroys the whole purpose, doesn't it?
>
> At least the phone company isn't charging me for the blocking I thought I
> had :-).
As others have said, ANI is available to 800, 888, 877, 866 and any other
toll free number protocol users that exist because they are paying for the
call. There is no simple way to block ANI when calling an 800 number.
Robort Bonomi - ANI absolutely does pre-date consumer caller ID by the
way...
However, it can be done contrary to what Artemus says. It just isn't as
simple as paying a few pennies to block your number the same way you do for
Caller ID.
The "best" way to block your number is to spoof it with your own private
PBX.
there are other ways by redirtecting your call through certain services or
operators who re-route your call and thus strip your call of ANI information
before it hits the 800 number...
So many details. I suggest searching Google for "ANI blocking", "Spoofing
my ANI", "Hiding ANI info", etc.
...And if you are really interested, subscribe to the magazine offered at
www.2600.com and learn lots about this and other technology stuff. There
are books written on this subject - some of which are available through
"vendors" listed in the back pages of 2600 magazines. Their magazines are
often found in Borders in the technology magazine section. They are smaller
than the rest of the offerings there.
Whatever you do, keep it moral. Teach others. Become a leader of the
ignorant, not their enemy. Knowledge is power.
(Soap box broke... Gotta go.)
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
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