Ping Robert

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 1:39:08 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> Spencers Loggers Tape
>=20
> Have you seen one? Thought it might be useful on the job, if you still=
=20
> do this kind'a thing.
>=20
> http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/videos/the-best-tape-for-layout_c?utm_sour=
ce=3Dnewsletter&utm_content=3DVideo&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3DTOTT_=
061317%20(1)&he=3Dbec4d8d422980f163c46356739c05c6eecb92632

I have seen them on TV, most recently on the show "Ax Men", a show about lo=
ggers. Never seen one in person. When I have something large to measure o=
r layout, I have a steel bladed Milwaukee model I use that is in a steel fr=
ame with rubber corners as armor.

That's a true logger's tape, made to have the crap beat out of it all day l=
ong. Hopefully I wouldn't be the one using it....!

Robert

Jack <[email protected]> writes:

>Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
>definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
>marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
>12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
>I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)
>
>One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>inch line. What's up with that?
>
>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>
>Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
>all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
>useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
>for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
>finger when that thing retracts.

This seems like much ado about little, to me.

It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one that will
satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done the market
research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape - which is the
opposite of 'damn dumb'.

Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and leave the tape
measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or general measurement usage.

"Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when applied
to measurement devices.

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0
>
> Oh, no he di'in't!
>
>

Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?

Puckdropper
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On 6/21/2017 9:27 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
>>> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or
>>> 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>>
>> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape measures. You
>> want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16" increments on both sides
>> and reads left to right and right to left and labels each marking if you
>> are not proficient reading a tape measure.
>>
>> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112
>
> Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the 1/32"
> marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that shows the
> style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse" with nothing
> readable from the looks of it.

Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you wanted
a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.

Here is my FascCap Green measure.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/

Click on the picture to zoom in.





The Old Standby is advertised as large,
> readable letters, which is good, except for the first foot where the
> 1/32" lines are unreadable by my eyes, and never needed.
>
> You would think they would be common, particularly in short, cabinet
> shop tapes.

Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 6/14/2017 1:20 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
> >> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
> >> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
> >> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
> >> anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
> >
> > 12' (1/16" increments)
> > https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premium-Measure-Retrieval-SL2812/dp/B000BQ7WGI/
> > https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-212-12-Foot-PowerLock-Tape/dp/B00002X2GK/
> > http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-images/Stanley-30-810_1.jpg
>
> The Stanley's have 1/32" markings. The Komelon looks promising, but, it
> only has markings on one side of the tape. What's up with that? I'd
> like markings on both sides, like most all tapes have, but I want no
> 1/32 markings anywhere. Pretty sure my 25' and 30' tapes are like this,
> but not the short ones I use in my shop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e96MF_ldbqk

Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-16-ft-Premium-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-48-22-7116/207191753
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg

Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
http://www.internationaltool.com/milwaukee-48-22-6612-12ft-compact-tape-measure
https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.com/product/12ft-compact-tape-measure/
http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:08:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 6/24/2017 9:29 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
>>> thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.
>>
>> My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
>> shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.
>>
>> The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"
>>
>
>
>Some guy at the tennis shoe store tried to put me in a white pair of
>shoes, I was having nothing to do with that. LOL
>
>BUT the white tennis shoes are not for fashion like all the rest, they
>are made for a physical purpose, not to make you like Justin Beaver.

I have a pair of white tennies for the gym, an "identical" pair of
black that I wear for work, and another "identical" gray suede pair
that I wear on the weekend. My feet are a hard fit. ;-)

On 6/21/2017 11:50 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/21/17 11:20 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/21/2017 9:27 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet
>>>>> makers? Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL
>>>>> have the first foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I
>>>>> want the whole tape, especially the first foot or so in 1/16's.
>>>>> Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone
>>>>> knows of such let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape
>>>> measures. You want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16"
>>>> increments on both sides and reads left to right and right to
>>>> left and labels each marking if you are not proficient reading a
>>>> tape measure.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112
>>>
>>> Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the
>>> 1/32" marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that
>>> shows the style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse"
>>> with nothing readable from the looks of it.
>>
>> Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you
>> wanted a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.
>>
>> Here is my FascCap Green measure.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> Click on the picture to zoom in.
>>
>
> I had one of those and I only lasted about an hour with it.
> I "thought" the printed "1/8-1/4-3/8-etc" markings would be convenient,
> but man, it was just the opposite for me.
>
> The printing just confused the heck out of my brain. My mind has been
> trained for 35 years to know what the fraction is by recognizing the
> standard lines and heights of the different ones. So when I see that
> AND the printed fractions, it actually slowed me down. TOO much
> information. :-)
>
> I took it back.
>
>
I'm on my 4th. ;~0 I break them and Fastcap sends me a new one.

But I mostly only use a tape measure to double check a previously laid
out mark.

On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
>>>>> the 1
>>>>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The magnetic end:
>>>> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
>>> I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
>>> PITA when you *don't* need it.
>>>
>>> The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
>>> one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
>>> depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
>>> relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
>>> screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)
>>>
>>> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
>>> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
>>> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
>>> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another
>> post, that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to
>> accept enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a
>> narrow tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.
>
> Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)
>
>

I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

In article <[email protected]>,
Puckdropper says...
>
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> > On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>
> >> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0
> >
> > Oh, no he di'in't!
> >
> >
>
> Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
> popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?
>
> Puckdropper

I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.

On 6/22/2017 1:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
>> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
>> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
>> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.
>
> Preach it!
> IMO it's the 'Hitachi Effect' (when they started making power tools
> that resemebled Transformers several years ago.)
> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/29/d0/28/29d028710646da7785d6da5412a2feee.jpg
> http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Hitachi-18V-Li-Ion-Drill-Driver.jpg

LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

On 6/23/2017 1:32 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 9:59 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-16-ft-Premium-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-48-22-7116/207191753
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
>>>> http://www.internationaltool.com/milwaukee-48-22-6612-12ft-compact-tape-measure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.com/product/12ft-compact-tape-measure/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL
>>>
>>> Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
>>> definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
>>> marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
>>> 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both
>>> sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)
>>>
>>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the
>>> 1 inch line. What's up with that?
>>
>> Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
>> quickly. ;~)
>
> LOL. You would think people posting pictures of a product would take
> pictures that show off the product. This goes for the above tape, but
> also the FastCap tape you mentioned that has a blurry photo of the tape
> you recommended to me.

You w o u l d think.


>
>> I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
>> in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.
>>
>> Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
>> the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
>> accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
>> least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.
>
> Yes, one of several reasons I prefer short tapes in my shop, one of
> course is smaller tape to lug around and handle, but also the longer the
> tape, the more curve so the tape doesn't buckle when extended. Handy for
> outside carpenters building houses and sheds, just a nuisance in my
> cabinet shop.
>

On the opposite end of the spectrum, the "white" FastCap tape measure.
Totally flat and pretty much worthless unless you are measuring the
surface of an arc or if you are measuring a horizontal surface.
It's stand off is about 1". ;-)

On 6/24/2017 9:29 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
>> thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.
>
> My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
> shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.
>
> The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"
>


Some guy at the tennis shoe store tried to put me in a white pair of
shoes, I was having nothing to do with that. LOL

BUT the white tennis shoes are not for fashion like all the rest, they
are made for a physical purpose, not to make you like Justin Beaver.

On 6/22/2017 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Puckdropper says...
>>
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0
>>>
>>> Oh, no he di'in't!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
>> popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
> is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.
>
>

Some people have a hard time focusing when they have heart burn. ;~)

On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>>
>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>
>>
>> The magnetic end:
>> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>>
>>
>> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
>>
>> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
>>
>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>
>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>
>>
>
> I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
> I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
> PITA when you *don't* need it.
>
> The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
> one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
> depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
> relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
> screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)
>
> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.
>
>

Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

Jack <[email protected]> writes:

>
>I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid.

That's a harsh value judgement, indeed. One might consider that
if one were to use every other mark on such measuring devices, one
could easily get precision to 1/16th of an inch.

On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-16-ft-Premium-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-48-22-7116/207191753
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>
>> Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
>> http://www.internationaltool.com/milwaukee-48-22-6612-12ft-compact-tape-measure
>>
>> https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.com/product/12ft-compact-tape-measure/
>> http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL
>
> Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
> definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
> marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
> 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
> I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)
>
> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
> inch line. What's up with that?

Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
quickly. ;~)

I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.

Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.



>
> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>
> Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
> all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
> useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
> for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
> finger when that thing retracts.
>

Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
> inch line. What's up with that?
>
> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg

The magnetic end:
http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg

The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg

Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
> anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.

12' (1/16" increments)
https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premium-Measure-Retrieval-SL2812/dp/B000BQ7WGI/
https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-212-12-Foot-PowerLock-Tape/dp/B00002X2GK/
http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-images/Stanley-30-810_1.jpg

HTH

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
> > Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
> > foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
> > especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
> > anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>
> 12' (1/16" increments)
> https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premium-Measure-Retrieval-SL2812/dp/B000BQ7WGI/
> https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-212-12-Foot-PowerLock-Tape/dp/B00002X2GK/
> http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-images/Stanley-30-810_1.jpg
>
> HTH

Nevermind :/

On 6/22/2017 7:36 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/21/2017 12:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/21/2017 9:27 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>>>>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>>>>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
>>>>> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or
>>>>> 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape measures. You
>>>> want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16" increments on both sides
>>>> and reads left to right and right to left and labels each marking if
>>>> you
>>>> are not proficient reading a tape measure.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112
>>>
>>> Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the 1/32"
>>> marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that shows
>>> the style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse" with
>>> nothing readable from the looks of it.
>>
>> Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you wanted
>> a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.
>>
>> Here is my FascCap Green measure.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> Click on the picture to zoom in.
>
> Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Couldn't see that from their web
> page. There, those measurements looked closer together (on my screen)
> than the Old Standby, but were too blurry to see. The old standby was
> clear as a bell in their photo.
>
> Thanks for that, I'll have to get me one of those. Not sure I want all
> the extra numbering and would love it in a 10 or 12' rule, but this
> should do just fine. Do you like all the extra numbering?
>

To tell you the truth I don't really notice the numbers. I only look at
the marks, much faster. IOW I don't find them to be in the way.

And FWIW I have had a few wear out over the years, an e-mail indicating
so and they ask for an address to send you a replacement. So far they
have not wanted the broken one back.

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.

Preach it!
IMO it's the 'Hitachi Effect' (when they started making power tools
that resemebled Transformers several years ago.)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/29/d0/28/29d028710646da7785d6da5412a2feee.jpg
http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Hitachi-18V-Li-Ion-Drill-Driver.jpg

Hell it's spilled over into toothbrush marketing, vintage holders are obsolete.
https://www.eclectic-ware.com/ac-products/ac-products-bf770-c1.jpg
http://www.lakewaycosmeticdentistry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/blue-toothbrush-min.jpg
https://www.defend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/DEFEND-toothbrushes-1.jpg

On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/13/2017 2:38 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> Spencers Loggers Tape
>>
>> Have you seen one? Thought it might be useful on the job, if you still
>> do this kind'a thing.
>>
>> http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/videos/the-best-tape-for-layout_c?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=Video&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TOTT_061317%20(1)&he=bec4d8d422980f163c46356739c05c6eecb92632
>>
>>
> Nice looking tape for builders. I'm not a builder, but I'd think if one
> were laying out a building of 1 or 200' or more, they would use a
> transit to measure, not a tape.
>
> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers? Lots
> of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first foot or
> so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape, especially
> the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's anywhere on
> the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.

Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape measures. You
want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16" increments on both sides
and reads left to right and right to left and labels each marking if you
are not proficient reading a tape measure.

http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112

On 6/13/17 1:38 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> Spencers Loggers Tape
>
> Have you seen one? Thought it might be useful on the job, if you still
> do this kind'a thing.
>
> http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/videos/the-best-tape-for-layout_c?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=Video&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TOTT_061317%20(1)&he=bec4d8d422980f163c46356739c05c6eecb92632
>

Now that is bad ASS!


--

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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 6/13/2017 2:38 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> Spencers Loggers Tape
>
> Have you seen one? Thought it might be useful on the job, if you still
> do this kind'a thing.
>
> http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/videos/the-best-tape-for-layout_c?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=Video&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TOTT_061317%20(1)&he=bec4d8d422980f163c46356739c05c6eecb92632
>
Nice looking tape for builders. I'm not a builder, but I'd think if one
were laying out a building of 1 or 200' or more, they would use a
transit to measure, not a tape.

I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.

BTW, last I checked my Stanley tapes all measured the same. Other tapes
were all over the place.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/14/2017 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>
>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid.
>
> That's a harsh value judgement, indeed. One might consider that
> if one were to use every other mark on such measuring devices, one
> could easily get precision to 1/16th of an inch.
>
Not near harsh enough. After using tapes for 60 years and never ever
once needing 1/32 markings I have zero need for having the marks gum up
the first foot or so of the tape. When I was young, my eyes had trouble
with those useless markings. Now that I'm old, they are really annoying.
I would need a magnifying glass to use every other mark as you suggest.

One thing for sure, I don't need you making harsh value judgements for me...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:

>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
>> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or
>> 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>
> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape measures. You
> want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16" increments on both sides
> and reads left to right and right to left and labels each marking if you
> are not proficient reading a tape measure.
>
> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112

Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the 1/32"
marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that shows the
style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse" with nothing
readable from the looks of it. The Old Standby is advertised as large,
readable letters, which is good, except for the first foot where the
1/32" lines are unreadable by my eyes, and never needed.

You would think they would be common, particularly in short, cabinet
shop tapes.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/14/2017 1:20 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
>> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's
>> anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>
> 12' (1/16" increments)
> https://www.amazon.com/Komelon-Premium-Measure-Retrieval-SL2812/dp/B000BQ7WGI/
> https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-33-212-12-Foot-PowerLock-Tape/dp/B00002X2GK/
> http://www.mytoolstore.com/product-images/Stanley-30-810_1.jpg

The Stanley's have 1/32" markings. The Komelon looks promising, but, it
only has markings on one side of the tape. What's up with that? I'd
like markings on both sides, like most all tapes have, but I want no
1/32 markings anywhere. Pretty sure my 25' and 30' tapes are like this,
but not the short ones I use in my shop.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/21/17 9:05 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 9:45 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Jack <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet
>>> makers? Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL
>>> have the first foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid.
>>
>> That's a harsh value judgement, indeed. One might consider that
>> if one were to use every other mark on such measuring devices, one
>> could easily get precision to 1/16th of an inch.
>>
> Not near harsh enough. After using tapes for 60 years and never ever
> once needing 1/32 markings I have zero need for having the marks gum
> up the first foot or so of the tape. When I was young, my eyes had
> trouble with those useless markings. Now that I'm old, they are
> really annoying. I would need a magnifying glass to use every other
> mark as you suggest.
>
> One thing for sure, I don't need you making harsh value judgements
> for me...

My eyes are getting to the point where it is very annoying, as well.

But there are other reasons those marks are pretty pointless on a
standard tape measure.
1. If you're doing work requiring that kind of precision (real
precision, not "Hey, I got lucky!" precision), then you need to be using
a rule with a stop, not a tape.

2. You can put a tick mark perfectly in the center of two 16th lines on
a tape just as easily as you can on a 32nd line.

3. There's at least a 32" of slop in the hook of the average tape
measure anyway. The hooks get bent in and out or twisted. The slots
get sloppy and don't always catch at the same place. If you are
measuring a decent distance and aren't perfectly perpendicular to the
edge, you add distance, or you end up on the bent side of the hook.
etc, etc, etc.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 6/21/17 11:20 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/21/2017 9:27 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet
>>>> makers? Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL
>>>> have the first foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I
>>>> want the whole tape, especially the first foot or so in 1/16's.
>>>> Don't want 1/64's or 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone
>>>> knows of such let me know.
>>>
>>> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape
>>> measures. You want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16"
>>> increments on both sides and reads left to right and right to
>>> left and labels each marking if you are not proficient reading a
>>> tape measure.
>>>
>>> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112
>>
>> Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the
>> 1/32" marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that
>> shows the style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse"
>> with nothing readable from the looks of it.
>
> Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you
> wanted a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.
>
> Here is my FascCap Green measure.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Click on the picture to zoom in.
>

I had one of those and I only lasted about an hour with it.
I "thought" the printed "1/8-1/4-3/8-etc" markings would be convenient,
but man, it was just the opposite for me.

The printing just confused the heck out of my brain. My mind has been
trained for 35 years to know what the fraction is by recognizing the
standard lines and heights of the different ones. So when I see that
AND the printed fractions, it actually slowed me down. TOO much
information. :-)

I took it back.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 6/21/2017 12:20 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/21/2017 9:27 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 11:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 8:11 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>>> I'd like to find anyone that makes a nice tape for cabinet makers?
>>>> Lots of decent short tapes (12' or less) but they ALL have the first
>>>> foot or so marked in 32's which is stupid. I want the whole tape,
>>>> especially the first foot or so in 1/16's. Don't want 1/64's or
>>>> 1/32's anywhere on the tape. If anyone knows of such let me know.
>>>
>>> Have you heard of FastCap? They have several style tape measures. You
>>> want to look at the green one, it is on 1/16" increments on both sides
>>> and reads left to right and right to left and labels each marking if you
>>> are not proficient reading a tape measure.
>>>
>>> http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=112
>>
>> Not only heard of them, I own the old standby 16' but it has the 1/32"
>> marking on the first foot. I don't see any on their page that shows
>> the style I want, and the "Green one" is "standard reverse" with
>> nothing readable from the looks of it.
>
> Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you wanted
> a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.
>
> Here is my FascCap Green measure.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Click on the picture to zoom in.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Couldn't see that from their web
page. There, those measurements looked closer together (on my screen)
than the Old Standby, but were too blurry to see. The old standby was
clear as a bell in their photo.

Thanks for that, I'll have to get me one of those. Not sure I want all
the extra numbering and would love it in a 10 or 12' rule, but this
should do just fine. Do you like all the extra numbering?

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/21/2017 12:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/21/17 11:20 AM, Leon wrote:

>> Not sure what you are looking for I guess, you mentioned that you
>> wanted a tape measure that has a resolution of 1/16" and no higher.
>>
>> Here is my FascCap Green measure.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/35061581130/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> Click on the picture to zoom in.

> I had one of those and I only lasted about an hour with it.
> I "thought" the printed "1/8-1/4-3/8-etc" markings would be convenient,
> but man, it was just the opposite for me.
>
> The printing just confused the heck out of my brain. My mind has been
> trained for 35 years to know what the fraction is by recognizing the
> standard lines and heights of the different ones. So when I see that
> AND the printed fractions, it actually slowed me down. TOO much
> information. :-)

That's what I was thinking. You would think someone would just make a
simple (short) rule with just 1/16th measurements. How hard could that
be, and why on earth do tape makers not know this?

I sent an email to Stanley on this very subject. Lady sent an email
back pointing me to one of their tapes on their web page. The tape had
1/32 measurement you could see. Sent me to another, and it was a 25'
tape. This went back and fourth several times until she admitted they
didn't make such a thing.

I suggested they should as it would be popular with about all cabinet
makers as the 1/32 measurements were nothing but a PIA, and basically
useless. She (Charla) gave me an address for development or something
which I promptly sent a suggestion.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-16-ft-Premium-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-48-22-7116/207191753
> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>
> Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
> http://www.internationaltool.com/milwaukee-48-22-6612-12ft-compact-tape-measure
> https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.com/product/12ft-compact-tape-measure/
> http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL

Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)

One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
inch line. What's up with that?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg

Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
finger when that thing retracts.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>
> The magnetic end:
> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>
> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>

I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
PITA when you *don't* need it.

The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/17 10:23 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but
>> will definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual
>> fractions marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but
>> if they have a 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch
>> markings, on both sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant
>> collection:-)
>>
>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
>> the 1 inch line. What's up with that?
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>
>>
>>
Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
>> all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
>> useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too
>> long for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop
>> off a finger when that thing retracts.
>
> This seems like much ado about little, to me.
>
> It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one
> that will satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done
> the market research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape -
> which is the opposite of 'damn dumb'.
>

Except that Fastcap seems to be in the market of making many different,
specialty tapes for people with different, quirky needs. They seem to
like satisfying the most customers by producing the most, different tape
measures.


> Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and
> leave the tape measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or
> general measurement usage.
>
> "Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when
> applied to measurement devices.
>

It's also rhetorical hyperbole which is perfectly acceptable in casual
conversation between like-minded people sharing their opinions on
different subjects.... which is exactly what we're doing here.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>>>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>>>
>>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> The magnetic end:
>>> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
>>>
>>> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
>>>
>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
>> I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
>> PITA when you *don't* need it.
>>
>> The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
>> one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
>> depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
>> relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
>> screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)
>>
>> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
>> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
>> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't find
>> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.
>>
>>
>
> Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
> that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
> enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
> tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/22/17 11:24 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2017 10:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/17 9:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at
>>>>>> the 1
>>>>>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The magnetic end:
>>>>> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out
>>>> and
>>>> I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
>>>> PITA when you *don't* need it.
>>>>
>>>> The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
>>>> one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
>>>> depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
>>>> relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a
>>>> nut or
>>>> screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)
>>>>
>>>> One thing I don't like about all these new tapes, overall, is how fat
>>>> they are getting with all the superfluous trim on them. It's like
>>>> they're trying to make monster trucks out of tape measures. I can't
>>>> find
>>>> a one that will slip in and out of the tape holster on my tool belt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another
>>> post, that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to
>>> accept enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a
>>> narrow tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.
>>
>> Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)
>>
>>
>
> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Oh, no he di'in't!


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 6/22/2017 9:59 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 6/21/2017 3:41 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> Next time you're in HD check out the Milwaukee 16'
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-16-ft-Premium-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-48-22-7116/207191753
>>>
>>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Or take a chance on the more reasonably priced 12'
>>> http://www.internationaltool.com/milwaukee-48-22-6612-12ft-compact-tape-measure
>>>
>>> https://www.fasteninghouseatlantic.com/product/12ft-compact-tape-measure/
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/2sUNuZL
>>
>> Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
>> definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
>> marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
>> 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both
>> sides, I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)
>>
>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the
>> 1 inch line. What's up with that?
>
> Some people are really really really really really good at reading marks
> quickly. ;~)

LOL. You would think people posting pictures of a product would take
pictures that show off the product. This goes for the above tape, but
also the FastCap tape you mentioned that has a blurry photo of the tape
you recommended to me.

> I would be willing to bet the numbers are in the center. If the "1" was
> in the center it would be covered up by the magnetic hook.
>
> Something to watch out for, you probably already know this, the curve in
> the blade for the stand off tends to make it difficult to mark
> accurately and not tip the measure case or hook. I personally want the
> least stand off for building furniture and cabinets. It is a trade off.

Yes, one of several reasons I prefer short tapes in my shop, one of
course is smaller tape to lug around and handle, but also the longer the
tape, the more curve so the tape doesn't buckle when extended. Handy for
outside carpenters building houses and sheds, just a nuisance in my
cabinet shop.

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On 6/22/2017 10:33 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>
> The magnetic end:
> http://homefixated.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/milwaukee-tape-nylon-mesh.jpg
>
> The Klein 16' looks interesting as well:
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-16-ft-Double-Hook-Magnetic-Tape-Measure-86216/300766949
> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/tape-measures/16-double-hook-magnetic-tape-measure
> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
> http://www.kleintools.com/sites/all/product_assets/catalog_imagery/klein/86216.jpg
>
Sweet. I'm definitely going for the Klien with 1/8th inch markings. I
was going to say I'd like that, but considering the trouble I had (you
didn't) finding one without 1/32nd markings I'm thrilled. (Tingle
running up my leg, just like a liberal) Mike said he can easily judge
halfway between 1/16th marks, I think I can do it between 1/8th inch
marks. I could swear I looked at Kliens before with no luck, guess I
didn't.

Also liked the Milwaukee with the 1/16th markings...

Thanks, you da man, and made an old man happy (tingly)
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On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Thanks, will do that. Couldn't tell much from their photo's, but will
>> definitely check them out. I saw that one had the actual fractions
>> marked like the Fastcap tapes. Not sure I want that but if they have a
>> 12 footer with nothing smaller than 1/16th inch markings, on both sides,
>> I'm in for yet one more tape for my giant collection:-)
>>
>> One of the tapes pictured seemed to have no numbers other than at the 1
>> inch line. What's up with that?
>>
>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515OFzPO4RL._SL1000_.jpg
>>
>> Personally, I like my Stanley short tapes the best, for overall feel and
>> all that. Unfortunately, they seem too damn dumb to eliminate the
>> useless 1/32 crap. I like my Fastcap 16' except for it's a bit too long
>> for a cabinet shop, and the strong ass spring. Like to chop off a
>> finger when that thing retracts.
>
> This seems like much ado about little, to me.

That's just a value judgement by you, certainly not a universal one.

> It's clear that someone manufacturing tape measures will design one that will
> satisfy the most customers, and one may assume they've done the market
> research to justify inclusion of 1/32 marks on the tape - which is the
> opposite of 'damn dumb'.

Wrong again. Walt found two manufacturers that make the tapes I want,
albiet in 16' lengths rather than 10 or 12, so you can assume they did
the market research to justify elimination of the useless 1/32 marks.

> Personally, I use an icra or starrett rule for all my woodworking and leave the tape
> measures (four 25' stanleys) for construction or general measurement usage.

Personally I don't, but soon will be using a Klien with 1/8th in markings.

> "Useless 1/32 crap" is a value judgement that is not universal when applied
> to measurement devices.

Never once said it was "universal". It is _my_ value judgement based on
_my_ 60 years of experience. You are entitled to your own value
judgements, and you can be certain your value judgments are not
universal if that's what you're claiming.

Anyway, turns out my "value judgements" are popular enough that at least
two manufacturers make what I want, probably more.

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On 6/22/2017 12:24 PM, Leon wrote:

> Exactly, I do not like the fat cases and as I mentioned in another post,
> that is all to do with stand off. The tape has to be wider to accept
> enough bend to extend 16+feet with out support. If you want a narrow
> tape measure you have to look at 12' and under, typically.

And, they always seem to have 1/32 markings in the first foot. My 16
footers are ok, but a bit too big for my tastes. Seems all the tapes
mentioned here with no 1/32 markings are 16 footers. I think I'm going
with the Klien with 1/8th inch markings. Don't build much anymore, but
think I'll buy one just to reward them for knowing what cabinet makers
need.

BTW, you mentioned you only use tapes to check your measurements, or
something like that. What do you initially measure with if not a tape?

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On 6/22/2017 12:44 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 11:34 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

>> Pretty soon you'll need two hands to hold the thing. :-)

> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0

Damn, wish I would have said that.

Wish I could say that...
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On 6/22/2017 11:25 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

> I bought the combo pack of those Milwaukees when they first came out and
> I don't like them. While the magnetic tip is nice (strong!) it can be a
> PITA when you *don't* need it.
>
> The hook bends too easily and the two "bat ear" ones can end up being
> one forward and one back which can really screw up measurements
> depending on how the tape is oriented for each measurement. It's been
> relegated to being my "go to" metal object receiver when I drop a nut or
> screw and it bounces down under the bench or table saw. :-)

Thanks Mike, good to know. I've almost given up on finding anything I
drop on the floor. I once dropped a 10mm socket and after minutes,
hours, weeks and months of looking EVERYWHERE, it is gone. I kept
looking EVERYWHERE because it is impossible for something to disappear,
or so I thought. I figured it would eventually show up, but 2 years
later and so far, nada. Didn't fall into piles of rubble either, clean,
concrete floor.

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On 6/22/2017 3:15 PM, Leon wrote:

> LOL That's another good description of how Hitachi looked back then, I
> thought they looked like one of the fancy tennis shoes.

My son noticed me and my buddy were wearing the exact same white tennis
shoes. He said no one but old guys wear white tennies.

The little */&}er called them "Mall Walkers"

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On 6/22/2017 8:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Puckdropper says...
>>
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 6/22/17 11:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need two hands to hold my thing now. ;~0
>>>
>>> Oh, no he di'in't!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sometimes I need more stickout when going to measure something. Would
>> popping one of those "purple pills" into the tape measure help?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> I don't know why everybody calls it the "purple pill". The _purple_ pill
> is an antacid, the one that makes things woody is _blue_.

Real men are color blind?


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