[email protected] (Cindy Duncan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> in history?
Many historians MIGHT choose to describe him as an useful Ivy League
"educated" born again Christian idiot *puppetted* by an un-American
cabal into a launching an unjustified attack on a foreign nation based
on lies, unwavering help by the mainstream media, and fabricated
evidence. The attack appears to have been with the objective of
calming the paranoia of a body of foreign neocolonizers bent on
stealing the homelands of an extremely angry and helpless indigenous
Semitic population by means of violence, and any method of deception,
including playing perpetual victims.
I sure wish a party...any party, would run a candidate worth voting for
in his own right. Bush was just the least of two bad options, or so it
seemed. How about a GOOD, worthwhile, and possibly intelligent
candidate. Right now I'd settle for one, who could conjugate the verb
"to be" without prompting.
Phil
Shakeel Virk wrote:
> In soc.culture.usa Cindy Duncan <[email protected]> wrote:
> : It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> : leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> : If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> : in history?
>
> I think one word would be "failure".
>
>
>
On 28 Aug 2003 07:14:11 -0700, [email protected] (Ashkah) wrote:
>[email protected] (Cindy Duncan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
>> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>>
>> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
>> in history?
>
>So far it seems he'll be just above Johnson, and just below Ike.
Nah, IKE was OK and lashed out against the military industrial
complex, the only president with the guts to do it. Now we have a
president who looks at the war and just like Homer Simpson sits glassy
eyed and says "Waaaaar Profits!"
THOM
Cindy Duncan wrote:
> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be remember for
> in history?
I will remember him as the fuck-nuts that killed everything green. Finding
nothing left breathing... he changes the color of money next.
- Peace -
--
I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant,
and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these
teachers. - Khalil Gibran (1883-1931)
"King Pineapple" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Liberal Stepford Wife "Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> > in history?
>
> This is ALL that needs to be said on the matter:
>
> Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every level
> of government.
>
> 1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
> 2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
> 3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
> Representatives.(226R-209d)
> 4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
> states.(26R-24d)
> 5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50 states.
> (25R-22d)
And then we went into an apparently unjustified war, massively increased the
deficit, loosened pollution rules, handed out very rich no-bid contracts to
campaign contributors and old buddies, created steel tarrifs, created an
unneeded ethonal industry as a payoff to farm states, added in a huge farm
subsudy bill to mainly agri-corporations who give campaign contributions,
failed to catch the mastermind behind the 9/11 bombings, greatly increased
unemployment and doubtless many other things.
[email protected] (Cindy Duncan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> in history?
So far it seems he'll be just above Johnson, and just below Ike.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:02:18 GMT, "King Pineapple"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Liberal Stepford Wife "Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
>> in history?
>
>This is ALL that needs to be said on the matter:
Let's see here....ALL that needs to be said on the matter of the bush
administration are comments about the democratic party.
What a shame he couldn't accomplish something upon which you could
comment.
>
>Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every level
>of government.
>
>1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
>2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
>3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
>Representatives.(226R-209d)
>4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
>states.(26R-24d)
>5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50 states.
>(25R-22d)
"Wes J" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Truth is an elusive item. What a right winger hears as truth sounds like so
> much propaganda to others. Same with history. Yes the right has seized
> power. But to assert that it is thus superior is erroneous. I for one am
> sick of right wing sicko bashing of anything liberal.
Tough shit! I'm fed up with you Marxist pricks trying to convert this
country into a Godless, Communist hell hole. We may not win the coming
second civil war, but I'm personally going to enjoy shooting lots of you
Commie motherfucking perverts before you get me.
>
> "James Monroe" <[email protected]> wrote
> >Read again emotional one. What he wrote was not spewed hate, it was the
> > >truth. You don't have to like the truth.
> >
> > You seem to have missed the fact that the comments didn't address the
> > question.
Liberal Stepford Wife "Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> in history?
This is ALL that needs to be said on the matter:
Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every level
of government.
1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
Representatives.(226R-209d)
4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
states.(26R-24d)
5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50 states.
(25R-22d)
Besides Jesus, Jews, and photography, one of the most cross-posted
individuals ever mentioned on the internet! Keep it to yourself!
Damn!!!
Jums
"Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> in history?
All of what you say is true, however the W supporters only care that their
man is in power...no matter how he got there. To them power justifies any
means necessary to get it. And power equates to good. As someone who
enjoys photographing nature and the environment, I find the whole right wing
agenda obscene.
"Ashland Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "King Pineapple" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Liberal Stepford Wife "Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> > > in history?
> >
> > This is ALL that needs to be said on the matter:
> >
> > Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every
level
> > of government.
> >
> > 1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
> > 2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
> > 3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
> > Representatives.(226R-209d)
> > 4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
> > states.(26R-24d)
> > 5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50
states.
> > (25R-22d)
>
> And then we went into an apparently unjustified war, massively increased
the
> deficit, loosened pollution rules, handed out very rich no-bid contracts
to
> campaign contributors and old buddies, created steel tarrifs, created an
> unneeded ethonal industry as a payoff to farm states, added in a huge farm
> subsudy bill to mainly agri-corporations who give campaign contributions,
> failed to catch the mastermind behind the 9/11 bombings, greatly increased
> unemployment and doubtless many other things.
"jose soplar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Tough shit! I'm fed up with you Marxist pricks trying to convert this
> country into a Godless, Communist hell hole. We may not win the coming
> second civil war, but I'm personally going to enjoy shooting lots of you
> Commie motherfucking perverts before you get me.
>
Well reasoned and very well stated reply! So we are Marxists when we point
out shortcomings of the administration. Once again, the label spews from
another ditto head.
MG
Your words prove your wit...the complete lack of. What a complete dolt.
(You can look it up...ask someone to spell it.)
"jose soplar" <[email protected]> wrote
> Tough shit! I'm fed up with you Marxist pricks trying to convert this
> country into a Godless, Communist hell hole. We may not win the coming
> second civil war, but I'm personally going to enjoy shooting lots of you
> Commie motherfucking perverts before you get me.
> >"Wes J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Another of W's spinners. Right wing hate spewers are starting to get a
> >> little boring.
> >
> >Read again emotional one. What he wrote was not spewed hate, it was the
> >truth. You don't have to like the truth.
>
> You seem to have missed the fact that the comments didn't address the
> question.
> >> > Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every
> level
> >> > of government.
> >> >
> >> > 1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
> >> > 2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
> >> > 3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
> >> > Representatives.(226R-209d)
> >> > 4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
> >> > states.(26R-24d)
> >> > 5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50
> states.
> >> > (25R-22d)
> >> >
Neocons followers are usually autistic parrots : they have few ready
made believes and arguments and use them even if they're not related
to the questions...
Let's have a look (again) to what's been DONE obviously without the
aid of democrats :
FOREIGN POLICY...
Bush said we should pull our troops out of Haiti, but there are not a
lot of troops in Haiti--a scant 34 soldiers by the Pentagon's last
count. He called Nigeria an important "continent." And he may have
created a minor international incident by accusing former Russian
Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin of pocketing IMF loans, without any
solid evidence. Gore let it go, but Chernomyrdin didn't. He warned
that "Mr. Bush Jr. should be getting ready for a trial."
Source: Time, p. 62, "Double Standard" at Wake Forest debate Oct 19,
2000
Q: An agreement has been signed with Vietnam that, if approved by
Congress next year, will require that country to protect U.S.
intellectual property and open its markets. It makes no demands on
human rights. Do you support this deal?
A: I support the trade agreement with Vietnam. I believe expanded
trade with Vietnam will help the forces of economic and political
reform take root and grow. At the same time, we must make clear to the
Vietnamese government that we expect them to cooperate fully with our
efforts to obtain the fullest possible accounting of missing
servicemen in Vietnam. Like all Americans, I want to see improved
human rights, and living and working conditions worldwide. The best
way to address these issues is not through unilateral trade sanctions,
but through multilateral agreements. The primary goal of our trade
policy should be to open markets abroad because the better way to
raise living and working standards is to increase trade.
Source: Associated Press Oct 18, 2000
Obviously Saddam there was no way to make business anymore in Irak...
Q: Why not Africa? Why the Middle East? Why the Balkans but not
Africa?
BUSH: Africa's important. And we've got to do a lot of work in Africa
to promote democracy and trade. It's an important continent. But
there's got to be priorities. And the Middle East is a priority for a
lot of reasons as is Europe and the Far East, and our own hemisphere.
Those are my four top priorities should I be the president. It's not
to say we won't be engaged [in Africa], and working hard to get other
nations to come together to prevent atrocity [like in Rwanda]. I
thought the best example of handling a [genocide] situation was East
Timor when we provided logistical support to the Australians; support
that only we can provide. I thought that was a good model. But we
can't be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about
over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious
in its use. I don't think nation-building missions are worthwhile.
Source: Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University Oct 11, 2000
You've just read : "I don't think nation-building missions are
worthwhile."
Q: Should we appropriate $300 million out of the surplus to help fight
AIDS in Africa?
A: Oftentimes we're well-intended when it comes to foreign help. but
the money never makes it to the people that we're trying to help. And
so I think before we spend a dime, we want to make sure that the
people we're trying to help receive the help necessary. But this is a
compassionate land. And we need to rally the people of compassion in
the world to help when there's terrible tragedy like this in Africa.
Source: GOP Debate in Michigan Jan 10, 2000
Let's not spend a dime but ask other bums to do so...
Q: What is the role of the U.S. in the world?
BUSH: I'm not sure the role of the United States is to go around the
world and say this is the way it's got to be. I want to empower
people. I want to help people help themselves, not have government
tell people what to do. I just don't think it's the role of the United
States to walk into a country and say, we do it this way, so should
you. We went into Russia, we said here's some IMF money. It ended up
in Chernomyrdin's pocket. And yet we played like there was reform. The
only people who are going to reform Russia are Russians. I'm not sure
where the vice president's coming from, but I think one way for us to
end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the
world saying, we do it this way, so should you. I think the United
States must be humble and must be proud and confident of our values,
but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart
their own course.
Source: Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University Oct 11, 2000
You've just read : "The only people who are going to reform Russia
are Russians. I'm not sure where the vice president's coming from, but
I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is
for us to go around the world saying, we do it this way, so should
you"
What about iraqis? and French (end up being viewed as the ugly
American is for us to go around the world saying, we do it this way,
so should you)
Q: How would you decide when it was in the national interest to use US
force? BUSH: Well, if it's in our vital national interests. And that
means:
Whether our territory is threatened, our people could be harmed,
whether or not our defense alliances are threatened, whether or not
our friends in the Middle East are threatened.
Whether or not the mission was clear, whether or not it was a clear
understanding as to what the mission would be.
Whether or not we were prepared and trained to win, whether or not our
forces were of high morale and high standing and well-equipped.
And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy.
I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my
approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in the
world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops.
The vice president believes in nation-building. I would be very
careful about using our troops as nation builders.
Source: Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000
Again : "I would be very careful about using our troops as nation
builders."
Bush said he would never allow US troops to come under United Nations
command, then added then he views the UN "as an opportunity for people
to vent."
"I say that not facetiously," Bush continued. "I mean, it's a chance
for the world to come together and discuss and to dialogue."
Source: Mike Allen, Washington Post, p. A8 Oct 1, 2000
Bedtime for UN?
THE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY :
Bush blocked implementation of a tighter limit on the amount of
arsenic in water, suspended new cleanup requirements for mining
companies, abandoned US participation in the Kyoto global warming
treaty and renounced a campaign promise to restrict carbon dioxide
emissions.
Source: Howard Kurtz, Washington Post Apr 18, 2001
In a new tally of smog around the country, Texas had more than twice
as many industrial plants violating clean air rules than any other
state. EPA data showed that 93 plants in the smoggiest areas of Texas
did not comply recently with regulations to control volatile organic
compounds - among the main ingredients in smog. Next on the list is
Illinois, with 38 plants out of compliance in areas with persistent
smog.
A Bush spokesman questioned the validity of the report (An EPA
official confirmed that the study had used accurate data). But the
spokesman said that if the numbers were accurate, they could be read
another way to show that Texas has a higher percentage of compliance
than many other states simply because it has so many industrial
facilities. The percentage of volatile organic compounds fell by over
43% from 1995-1997, more than twice the national average, the spoesman
said, adding that a new smog proposed plan will cut pollutants by
another 90 percent.
Source: Bill Lambrecht, St. Louis Post-Dispatch Oct 16, 2000
Responding to President Bush's decision not to support regulating
carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, US and European
environmentalists said yesterday that one of his main arguments has
been debunked. Bush said he would not seek to regulate so-called
greenhouse gas because, in part, the Clean Air Act does not consider
carbon dioxide a pollutant.
Environmentalists said Bush had ignored a finding by more than 3,000
international scientists who concurred that the gas is one of the main
causes of global warming. Last week, satellite data showed evidence
that greenhouse gases were indeed building up in the Earth's
atmosphere.
In New England, Bush's abandonment of the campaign pledge to propose
regulating carbon dioxide emissions probably will have limited impact,
because the region is less dependent than elsewhere on power plants
fired by coal or oil. Administration officials said Bush had made a
mistake in the campaign by promising to regulate carbon dioxide.
Source: Beth Daley & Robert Schlesinger, Boston Globe, p. 3 Mar 15,
2001
I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80% of the world from
compliance, and would cause serious harm to the US economy. The
Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the
Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global
climate change concerns.
I support a comprehensive and balanced national energy policy. I do
not believe, however, that the government should impose on power
plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not
a "pollutant" under the Clean Air Act. Including caps on carbon
dioxide emissions as part of a multiple emissions strategy would lead
to an even more dramatic shift from coal to natural gas for electric
power generation and significantly higher electricity prices. This is
especially true given the incomplete state of scientific knowledge of
the causes of, and solutions to, global climate change and the lack of
commercially available technologies for removing and storing carbon
dioxide.
Source: Press Release, "Letter to Senators Hagel, Helms, et al." Feb
13, 2001
"Gore says he would rather protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
than gain the energy [from drilling for oil there]," Bush said. "But
this is a false choice. We can do both-taking out energy, and leaving
only footprints. Critics of increased exploration and production
ignore the remarkable technological advances in the last 10 years that
have dramatically decreased the environmental impact of oil and gas
exploration."
Source: Mike Allen, Washington Post, p. A7 Oct 1, 2000
Only footprints?
Bush opposes an agreement signed in Kyoto, Japan, that establishes
emission targets for industrial nations. In the past he has criticized
federal regulation, particularly when he regards it as too intrusive.
In his 1994 campaign for governor, he lashed out against the
Endangered Species Act as overly intrusive on landowners.
Source: New York Times, p. A20 Nov 9, 1999
And some guys in the "french" soc.culture group make ugly jokes about
the death toll of french heat wave?
lAST INTERESTING STATEMENT :
KARL ROVE, Bush's long-time political guru and White House advisor:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...
...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
In soc.culture.usa Cindy Duncan <[email protected]> wrote:
: It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
: leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
: If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
: in history?
I think one word would be "failure".
"Cindy Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
> If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> in history?
Having his "presidency" ending after only three years
HYUK
I would think he would be remembered as being smarter than you!
What the hell does this have to do with woodworking?
On 27 Aug 2003 14:25:21 -0700, [email protected] (Cindy Duncan)
wrote:
>It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
>leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
>
>If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
>in history?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:39:04 GMT, "Wes J" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I for one am
>sick of right wing sicko bashing of anything liberal.
And vice-versa?
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Professional Shop Rat: 14,083 days in a GM plant.
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"Wes J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another of W's spinners. Right wing hate spewers are starting to get a
> little boring.
Read again emotional one. What he wrote was not spewed hate, it was the
truth. You don't have to like the truth.
>
> "King Pineapple" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Today's democrat party is disconnected from leadership power at every
> level
> > of government.
> >
> > 1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)
> > 2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(51R-48d-1)
> > 3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of
> > Representatives.(226R-209d)
> > 4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50
> > states.(26R-24d)
> > 5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50
> states.
> > (25R-22d)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Cindy Duncan wrote:
> > It is very difficult to predict the historical implications of a world
> > leader while he is still alive....let alone still in office.
> >
> > If the GW Bush presidency ended today, what would he be rembember for
> > in history?
>
> Lies.
>
> Death.
>
> A continuation and expansion of the apalling foreign policy arrogance
> 9and secrecy) that earned America the 9/11 attacks in the first place.
>
> Osama Bin laden was trained - in the US - by the CIA to be a terrorist
> to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
>
> Had he and people like him never been trained, 9/11 would never have
> happened.
>
> The Islamic extremists would not see the enemy they now see in the US.
> They would attack their own regimes......and not us.
View right here the way the libby goes into an irrational, emotional rant.
The coorelations that you are supposed to follow right along with are
hilarious.