On the subject of compressors...

On 12/04/2014 01:12 PM, Casper wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>
>> On 12/3/2014 3:23 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> "Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> On the subject of compressors...
>>>>
>>>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Critter...
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>>>
>>> According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct.
>>> Specifically, it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.
>>>
>>> According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @
>>> 90 psi.
>>>
>>> I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
>>> won't work for your Critter.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> BTW I would never spray at 90psi.
>> For most lacquer based, about 35psi it was with conventional binks gun.
>
> I am not familiar with most spray guns except airbrushes.
>
>> For oil based it depends but somewhere around 35-45. using hvlp
>> conversion gun
>> For shellac about 40 using hvlp conversion
>
> I will be using either an acrylic paint or some type of water based
> clear/sealant. I have tried (once) to stain my (tiny) deck with a
> handheld bug sprayer. I could not get the mix (water-based) to come
> out in any way that was useful. Either it didn't come out at all or it
> was so watery it simple ran and dried.
>
>> Too much pressure and most of it goes to the atmosphere. You want to
>> atomize it, but keep it flowing.
>>
>> If I want a dry coat, I'll put higher pressure and less material. But a
>> normal or gloss coat, requires less pressure and more material.
>>
>> It all depends on what you are doing.
>
> Basically, I am looking to paint a fence. Water-based, inexpensively,
> with the compressor I already have. I may (rarely) use it to spray a
> clear coat or other color acrylic coat.
>
> I have tried some Wagner products in the past. I have found them
> annoying. They clog, are a pain to get the mix right to spray and take
> forever to clean up. I once tried their paint roller. I let the other
> guy use it. He got one wall and a mess to clean up while I did three
> walls with a manual roller and was cleaned up in under ten minutes.
>
> If I were making furniture, custom built-ins, or other similar things,
> I would look into buying a better pro paint system. But I'm not doing
> those things, have no plans to, and have no room to store things I
> will only use once every 3-5 years or less.
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>

I'd rent a sprayer.


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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
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On 12/04/2014 08:04 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd rent a sprayer.
>
> My initial reaction was to disagree with Doug, but (thankfully...) before I
> did so, I thought about his comment. I think he's got a good point here.
>
> If you're not going to do a lot of painting then why invest in the proper
> tools? Whether you rent or purchase, you're still going to have to invest a
> bit of time in mastering the tool in your hand. Total investment in time is
> probably about the same. But - you don't have to buy and own that tool
> which you may never use again.
>
>
About 18 years ago, the subdivision I lived in decided to paint the main
street fence - stuccoed block about 6' high and 500' long. The idea was
to get together (about a dozen of us) early on a Saturday morning with
our rollers and brushes and get after it. Around noon and with about
50' done, I bit the bullet and went down to the rental place and picked
up a gas powered sprayer. Two guys manned the plywood overspray
preventers on the ground and at the top. We were done by 4PM and had
everything cleaned up and the sprayer returned in time for happy hour.
We might have used a couple of 5 gallon buckets more than we thought,
but sometimes trying to save a buck just ain't worth it!


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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 12/04/2014 08:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>>>
>> About 18 years ago, the subdivision I lived in decided to paint the
>> main street fence -
>
> What's a subdivision?...
>

It's a place that had about 70 1 acre lots with no HOA in Arizona. My
place was 2700 sq ' with a pool, spa, lighted tennis court, 8 citrus
trees and 2 two car garages - one with a shop. It was early April and
about 100 degrees when we had our fence exercise. Paint was almost dry
as soon as it hit the fence! Drove by a few years ago and the fence
still looks good :-)

About 6 months after I added the second 2 car garage and shop, we sold
and downsized. I miss the shop but not the maintenance. The shop now
is the 3rd bay in a 3 car garage.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 12/3/2014 12:54 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Casper wrote:
>> On the subject of compressors...
>>
>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>
> Don't know...
>
>
>>
>> Critter...
>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>
>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>>
>
> That is a meaningless requirement. SCFM is the only requirement you need to
> know,
>
>
>> I niether have the use or strage for a full HVLP system. I think the
>> Critter is going to do 90+% of what I need. I haven't read reviews yet
>> but it seems to have a decent rating. Any comments on this?
>
> Your statement above is somewhat meaningless. What is a "strage"? Why do
> you feel that the critter will do 90% of your needs? Perhaps it will - but
> you have provided no information for anyone here to really know that. You
> say you have not read read reviews yet but you believe it has a decent
> rating. Well - what in the hell does that mean? I think you need to do a
> lot more research before you post a question like you have. Really - what
> are you really asking?
>
>

That little compressor can handle an air brush, but nothing bigger. The
critter is basically a crappy air brush, but to do something more that
compressor won't do it. I have it as a take with me compressor. For 39
is was ok, didn't expect too much.





--
Jeff

Casper wrote:
> woodchucker<[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>
>>On 12/3/2014 3:23 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> "Casper"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> On the subject of compressors...
>>>>
>>>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Critter...
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>>>
>>> According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct.
>>> Specifically, it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.
>>>
>>> According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @
>>> 90 psi.
>>>
>>> I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
>>> won't work for your Critter.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>BTW I would never spray at 90psi.
>>For most lacquer based, about 35psi it was with conventional binks gun.
>
> I am not familiar with most spray guns except airbrushes.
>
>>For oil based it depends but somewhere around 35-45. using hvlp
>>conversion gun
>>For shellac about 40 using hvlp conversion
>
> I will be using either an acrylic paint or some type of water based
> clear/sealant. I have tried (once) to stain my (tiny) deck with a
> handheld bug sprayer. I could not get the mix (water-based) to come
> out in any way that was useful. Either it didn't come out at all or it
> was so watery it simple ran and dried.
>
>>Too much pressure and most of it goes to the atmosphere. You want to
>>atomize it, but keep it flowing.
>>
>>If I want a dry coat, I'll put higher pressure and less material. But a
>>normal or gloss coat, requires less pressure and more material.
>>
>>It all depends on what you are doing.
>
> Basically, I am looking to paint a fence. Water-based, inexpensively,
> with the compressor I already have. I may (rarely) use it to spray a
> clear coat or other color acrylic coat.
>
8>< Snip

Not a regular painter myself, but with acrylic type paint I have used
a spray gun which has a pressurized pot and about 45 PSI works best.
I have tried a gravity feed hvlp but it did poorly. This is like the
one I use for this type of spraying.

http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-DH380000AV-Pressure-Feed-Spray/dp/B0018S8JC4/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1417726687&sr=1-4&keywords=paint+sprayer

--
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 Macho does not prove Mucho. 

On 12/3/2014 10:47 AM, Casper wrote:
> On the subject of compressors...
>
> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>
> Critter...
> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>
> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>
> I niether have the use or strage for a full HVLP system. I think the
> Critter is going to do 90+% of what I need. I haven't read reviews yet
> but it seems to have a decent rating. Any comments on this?
>
> I already have the HF compressor. A gift from my FiL a few years back.
> `Casper
>
The simple answer is compare the necessary requirements of the tool you
want to use to those of the compressor you want to use.

woodchucker <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:

>On 12/3/2014 3:23 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> On the subject of compressors...
>>>
>>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Critter...
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>>
>> According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct.
>> Specifically, it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.
>>
>> According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @
>> 90 psi.
>>
>> I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
>> won't work for your Critter.
>>
>>
>
>BTW I would never spray at 90psi.
>For most lacquer based, about 35psi it was with conventional binks gun.

I am not familiar with most spray guns except airbrushes.

>For oil based it depends but somewhere around 35-45. using hvlp
>conversion gun
>For shellac about 40 using hvlp conversion

I will be using either an acrylic paint or some type of water based
clear/sealant. I have tried (once) to stain my (tiny) deck with a
handheld bug sprayer. I could not get the mix (water-based) to come
out in any way that was useful. Either it didn't come out at all or it
was so watery it simple ran and dried.

>Too much pressure and most of it goes to the atmosphere. You want to
>atomize it, but keep it flowing.
>
>If I want a dry coat, I'll put higher pressure and less material. But a
>normal or gloss coat, requires less pressure and more material.
>
>It all depends on what you are doing.

Basically, I am looking to paint a fence. Water-based, inexpensively,
with the compressor I already have. I may (rarely) use it to spray a
clear coat or other color acrylic coat.

I have tried some Wagner products in the past. I have found them
annoying. They clog, are a pain to get the mix right to spray and take
forever to clean up. I once tried their paint roller. I let the other
guy use it. He got one wall and a mess to clean up while I did three
walls with a manual roller and was cleaned up in under ten minutes.

If I were making furniture, custom built-ins, or other similar things,
I would look into buying a better pro paint system. But I'm not doing
those things, have no plans to, and have no room to store things I
will only use once every 3-5 years or less.

Your input is appreciated.

Casper wrote:
> On the subject of compressors...
>
> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html

Don't know...


>
> Critter...
> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>
> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>

That is a meaningless requirement. SCFM is the only requirement you need to
know,


> I niether have the use or strage for a full HVLP system. I think the
> Critter is going to do 90+% of what I need. I haven't read reviews yet
> but it seems to have a decent rating. Any comments on this?

Your statement above is somewhat meaningless. What is a "strage"? Why do
you feel that the critter will do 90% of your needs? Perhaps it will - but
you have provided no information for anyone here to really know that. You
say you have not read read reviews yet but you believe it has a decent
rating. Well - what in the hell does that mean? I think you need to do a
lot more research before you post a question like you have. Really - what
are you really asking?


--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On the subject of compressors...
>
> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>
> Critter...
> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>
> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.

According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct. Specifically,
it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.

According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @ 90
psi.

I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
won't work for your Critter.


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Casper wrote:
> On the subject of compressors...
>
> Critter...
> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>

It depends on what you are trying to paint. If you're looking at small spot
areas, or the likes of an air brush application, then it may work - but I'm
not expert in that recommendation. For more traditional applications of
finishes - less likely, unless you are willing to wait through the cycle
time to apply one simple coat. You just can't get something from nothing.
Do you really believe there is a miracle device out there that defies what
everyone else in the world has found to be useful? I do know that the
critter has found some amount of acceptance in the painting community, but
it is among those looking for small painting jobs. If that fits you needs -
great! I guess I'd recommed you look at youtube and other sources to see if
it really meets your needs. Only you can decide.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Casper wrote:

>
> Basically, I am looking to paint a fence. Water-based, inexpensively,
> with the compressor I already have. I may (rarely) use it to spray a
> clear coat or other color acrylic coat.

Hmmmmmm... if I were to be looking at painting a fence, I would consider
strongly just painting it by hand with a brush. Not sure that I see an
great advantage in trying to use a spray gun for that job. Control,
cleanup, and amount of paint coverage would come to my mind as I considered
these options. I'm a spray paint sort of guy, but to paint a fence - unless
I'm misunderstanding the type of fence you're interested in painting, I'd
probably lean towards a brush.

>
> I have tried some Wagner products in the past. I have found them
> annoying. They clog, are a pain to get the mix right to spray and take
> forever to clean up. I once tried their paint roller. I let the other
> guy use it. He got one wall and a mess to clean up while I did three
> walls with a manual roller and was cleaned up in under ten minutes.

That's one of the things about spraying - you do indeed have to buy into the
whole clean up thing. Sometimes it is not worth the trade off. Sometimes a
simple brush or roller is just a better approach. Not the same finish, but
then again it's not always necessary to get a new car finish on the project
at hand.

>
> If I were making furniture, custom built-ins, or other similar things,
> I would look into buying a better pro paint system. But I'm not doing
> those things, have no plans to, and have no room to store things I
> will only use once every 3-5 years or less.
>

Kind of funny - you're back to square one. You asked good questions right
up front, and we have responded - but... it leaves you right where you
started. Sorry for that.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Doug Winterburn wrote:

>
> I'd rent a sprayer.

My initial reaction was to disagree with Doug, but (thankfully...) before I
did so, I thought about his comment. I think he's got a good point here.

If you're not going to do a lot of painting then why invest in the proper
tools? Whether you rent or purchase, you're still going to have to invest a
bit of time in mastering the tool in your hand. Total investment in time is
probably about the same. But - you don't have to buy and own that tool
which you may never use again.


--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Doug Winterburn wrote:

>>
> About 18 years ago, the subdivision I lived in decided to paint the
> main street fence -

What's a subdivision?...

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-Mike-
[email protected]

On 12/3/2014 3:23 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> On the subject of compressors...
>>
>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>>
>>
>> Critter...
>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>
>>
>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>
> According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct.
> Specifically, it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.
>
> According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @
> 90 psi.
>
> I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
> won't work for your Critter.
>
>

BTW I would never spray at 90psi.
For most lacquer based, about 35psi it was with conventional binks gun.

For oil based it depends but somewhere around 35-45. using hvlp
conversion gun

For shellac about 40 using hvlp conversion

Too much pressure and most of it goes to the atmosphere. You want to
atomize it, but keep it flowing.

If I want a dry coat, I'll put higher pressure and less material. But a
normal or gloss coat, requires less pressure and more material.

It all depends on what you are doing.

--
Jeff

"dadiOH" <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:

>"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> On the subject of compressors...
>>
>> Is this one good enough to run the Critter spray gun?
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/3-gal-13-hp-100-psi-oilless-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
>>
>> Critter...
>> http://www.amazon.com/Critter-Spray-Products-22032-Siphon/dp/B00006FRPJ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417624982&sr=8-1&keywords=critter+spray+gun
>>
>> I've been told the Critter requires a 90PSI compressor to work.
>
>According to Critter the site you linked, you are correct. Specifically,
>it says the gun needs 3.0 CFM at 90 psi.

Yes. I missed the 3 CFM part initially. Sorry.

>According to the HF page you linked, the compressor delivers 0.6 CFM @ 90
>psi.

HF compressor manual ... 0.6 SCFM @ 90 PSI of 1 SCFM @ 40 PSI.

>I may be going way out on a limb here but I'm saying the HF compressor
>won't work for your Critter.

You may be right. I am still reading and gleaning info on the
compressor and critter specifically. I like the mason jar usage of the
critter, as paint storage (a.k.a 'strage') is very limited for me.

Thx