Just our local Usenet troll that like to follow me around for the last six
or seven years.
Goes by hopper, Tazoar and a miriad of other names in different groups.
Prides himself in how many groups he can "bring to their knees"
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Bite Me
"Nale Bangha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>
> Nale
On 11/4/2010 1:16 PM, Leon wrote:
> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Nale Bangha"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Leon"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
>>>> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>>>>
>>>> Nale
>>>
>>> Bite Me
>>
>> Now Leon - that's just not like you...
>
>
> I know..... no misspelled workd or anything.
This is the digital age, dood ... that should be "Byte me"! :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 11/4/2010 5:32 PM, Bill wrote:
> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
>> together seamlessly.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Just add water?
No, it has to the natural byproduct of Shiner Beer, applied naturally ...
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Nov 4, 10:44=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>
> > All this stuff about being overpriced and unnecessary overlooks several
> > things. The first is that similar joints made by me in the past were
> > poorly done. Obviously, that's my fault because I hadn't learned the
> > proper procedures. Now with the Kerfmaker my joints are exceptional. Ma=
ybe
> > I might be criticised for spending my money and taking what some might
> > call a shortcut. But, now I have the confidence and ability to construc=
t
> > them well and will do so. Isn't that the most important thing in
> > woodworking, to build ever better constructed projects? Doesn't matter =
so
> > much as how you get there, just that you find a means to do so.
>
> It is an old maxim, but it is true. =A0You can tell how good a woodworker=
is
> by the quality of his joints.
Mine creak. At least my knees do.
R
"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
I'll agree with your assessment that the Kerfmaker is unnecessary, The joint
can be cut with a hand held circular saw with no real need for a TS which
will cost much more. I agree with your assessment that the Kerfmaker is
exorbitantly priced, all of Bridge City Tools are, yet I own several of
their tools.
If you actually cut half lap joints on a regular basis or avoid them because
they can be a lot of trouble to reproduce accurately over and over than, I
don't agree that the tool is overrated, it does exactly what it is designed
to do with VERY little effort and chance of error. If would be overrated if
it showed even a hint of not being able to do what it was designed to do,
perfectly. There is no flaw in the design and if the joint does not come
out correctly it is not the fault of the Kerfmaker.
Unless you have actually used one your assumption that it is overrated is
not valid. If you have used one and still feel that it is over rated you
really don't have the skill to do accurate work any way.
Now that is not to say that you are not a skilled woodworker, it is only to
indicate that this tool makes as much sense and works as dependably as an
electric on/off switch on a corded tool. You can stop and start an electric
power tool by simply plugging it in and unplugging the power cord but life
is soooo much easier if you don't have to do that every time you want to use
the tool.
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
> used.
Well, in this cas, my firm opinion is practical. I own a Kerfmaker Pro. Been
in my possession since the beginning of October. I've only used it twice,
but both times, the joints were flawless.
All this stuff about being overpriced and unnecessary overlooks several
things. The first is that similar joints made by me in the past were poorly
done. Obviously, that's my fault because I hadn't learned the proper
procedures. Now with the Kerfmaker my joints are exceptional. Maybe I might
be criticised for spending my money and taking what some might call a
shortcut. But, now I have the confidence and ability to construct them well
and will do so. Isn't that the most important thing in woodworking, to build
ever better constructed projects? Doesn't matter so much as how you get
there, just that you find a means to do so.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> All this stuff about being overpriced and unnecessary overlooks several
> things. The first is that similar joints made by me in the past were
> poorly done. Obviously, that's my fault because I hadn't learned the
> proper procedures. Now with the Kerfmaker my joints are exceptional. Maybe
> I might be criticised for spending my money and taking what some might
> call a shortcut. But, now I have the confidence and ability to construct
> them well and will do so. Isn't that the most important thing in
> woodworking, to build ever better constructed projects? Doesn't matter so
> much as how you get there, just that you find a means to do so.
>
>
It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a woodworker is
by the quality of his joints.
That means that you just became a much better woodworker.
Or...., a good facsimile thereof.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/4/10 4:48 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>> Even if it's really good glue? Even if Festool made glue and had a
>>>> Festool Psycron glue dispenser with metric gap filling settings?
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>
>>> You don't need glue with Festool saws.
>>> They leave behind a hook and loop surface that bonds, instantly, when
>>> the joint is put together.
>>
>> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
>> together seamlessly.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> That called a graft joint.
>
The glue reactivates the DNA so it grows until there is 25 lbs / sq inch of
pressure.
Who woulda thought...
John
Nale Bangha wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
>>> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>>>
>>> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit
>>> together due to swelling?)
>>
>>
>> If you are glueing up two panels edge to edge and clamp up that
>> union, how thick is that glue line? Naturally you would want to put
>> a minimal amount but complete coverage layer in the bottom of the
>> lap joints, but any more than enough to cover is too much.
>> Earlier this year as mentioned in another post on this thread I was
>> working on a project with 96 lap joints. These joints were 1/2"
>> wide and 3/64" deep for a combined thickness of 3/32". The joints
>> were tight enough to hold the assembly together with out glue as
>> proven by the test fit. Applying the proper amount of glue posed no
>> problem with fit.
>> Had there been any weak joints the 8 assemblies would have flown
>> apart during their 3-4 trips through the drum sander.
>>
> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>
> Nale
Welcome to the world of don't give a shit people, asshole. Real, honest
people like you will find here eaily dismiss idiots like yourself - and we
don't care a wit about doing so. Dickead, indead - that would be what is
commonly referred to as projection. So Dichead - how does that troll shit
taste in your mouth?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
>>
>>Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
>
> It is neat, but they cannot demonstrate any real need for the
> pricey tools they sell
> --
> The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
> with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
>
> Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
I have the "tool" and have used it more times in the last year than I
thought I would ever use it. In particular I needed to create muntons for
my tower bed project earlier this year. Basically I inserted fake window
frames in 8 openings in my head board and foot boards. The pieces were
3/32" thick and all joints were lap joints. Perfect fit for all 96 joints.
"Nale Bangha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>
> Nale
Bite Me
Where is the glue going to go?
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:51:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/4/2010 5:32 PM, Bill wrote:
>> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
>>> together seamlessly.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>> Just add water?
>
>No, it has to the natural byproduct of Shiner Beer, applied naturally ...
Thats filtered first... right?
Mark
The video demo link provided showed a tight fitting joint that encompassed
each piece of wood, not a lap joint or "edge to edge" where any amout of
adhesive would fit.
If you put wood glue on the insdie surfaces of one of these tight joint
"pockets" the wood would likely swell and the joint would no longer fit
together. I am sure most experienced wood workers have experiences this
trauma at some point after doing very precise machining and then gluing. A
mallet and prayer comes to mind in these cases...LOL
Agreed and point taken on the thinness of the glue in the joint, though.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If you are glueing up two panels edge to edge and clamp up that union, how
thick is that glue line? Naturally you would want to put a minimal amount
but complete coverage layer in the bottom of the lap joints, but any more
than enough to cover is too much.
Earlier this year as mentioned in another post on this thread I was working
on a project with 96 lap joints. These joints were 1/2" wide and 3/64" deep
for a combined thickness of 3/32". The joints were tight enough to hold the
assembly together with out glue as proven by the test fit. Applying the
proper amount of glue posed no problem with fit.
Had there been any weak joints the 8 assemblies would have flown apart
during their 3-4 trips through the drum sander.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>
> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
> to swelling?)
The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
to swelling?)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In the joint oc course. If some squeeses out that is perfectly fine. The
thinner the glue film the better.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where is the glue going to go?
>
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
>
> Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
>
>
Is there a motto for this stuff, yet?
"Give us some slack"
or
"For sloppy woodworkers"?
or
"Never blow a joint again"?
or
"When you like it tight"?
or
"No sloppy seconds for me"?
or
never mind...may be kids reading.
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
The glue reactivates the DNA so it grows until there is 25 lbs / sq inch of
pressure.
Who woulda thought...
John
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>
> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
> to swelling?)
My handcut dovetails genrally have zero clearance... but they stay together.
Leaving room for glue is overrated. ;~)
John
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where is the glue going to go?
>
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
>
> Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
>
>
In the joint oc course. If some squeeses out that is perfectly fine. The
thinner the glue film the better.
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b035c454-392e-49fc-a72b-d6580dad8962@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 8:52 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have the "tool" and have used it more times in the last year than I
> thought I would ever use it. In particular I needed to create muntons for
> my tower bed project earlier this year. Basically I inserted fake window
> frames in 8 openings in my head board and foot boards. The pieces were
> 3/32" thick and all joints were lap joints. Perfect fit for all 96 joints.
We expect no less from you - perfect fits every time. BTW, with your
new 3 horse-drawn carriage shop we're going to expect better than
perfect. ;)
R
Better would be good.... but more breathing room for sure. LOL
On Nov 4, 4:35=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/4/10 3:31 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> > Leaving room for glue is overrated. ;~)
>
> It's an excuse for poor craftsmanship. =A0 :-)
Even if it's really good glue? Even if Festool made glue and had a
Festool Psycron glue dispenser with metric gap filling settings?
R
On Nov 4, 8:52=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have the "tool" and have used it more times in the last year than I
> thought I would ever use it. =A0In particular I needed to create muntons =
for
> my tower bed project earlier this year. =A0Basically I inserted fake wind=
ow
> frames in 8 openings in my head board and foot boards. =A0The pieces were
> 3/32" thick and all joints were lap joints. =A0Perfect fit for all 96 joi=
nts.
We expect no less from you - perfect fits every time. BTW, with your
new 3 horse-drawn carriage shop we're going to expect better than
perfect. ;)
R
On Nov 5, 12:06=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/4/10 10:08 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
> > On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> >> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
> >> dot net> wrote:
> >>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a
> >>> woodworker is
> >>> by the quality of his joints.
>
> >> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>
> > Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>
> You guys have it easy.
> Mine snap, crackle, and pop.
>
There are days when my right knee feels like it has razor blade
fragments in it.
The other morning, I couldn't lower my right arm after I combed my
hair...not without cringeworthy/tear-inducing bolts of blue neon pain.
Then a bit of a crunch and all is well for weeks and weeks. It all
depends on how I slept on it.
I blame the years of gruelling dirt-bike riding...and the fact that
the shoulder and knee are both on the same side, makes me think it
could have been that same tree that totalled my Husqvarna.
Leon wrote:
> "Nale Bangha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
>> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>>
>> Nale
>
> Bite Me
Now Leon - that's just not like you...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Nov 3, 8:15=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBExGi9HbLSM
>
> Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
Scratch that. Make that "The advantages of woodworking accuracy"
On Nov 4, 5:32=A0pm, [email protected] (Larry W) wrote:
> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going t=
o
> >use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
> >knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
> >those additional tools on hand.
>
> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
used. And cheaper.
R
-MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/4/10 10:08 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>>> dot net> wrote:
>>>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a
>>>> woodworker is
>>>> by the quality of his joints.
>>>
>>> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>>
>> Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>>
>
> You guys have it easy.
> Mine snap, crackle, and pop.
You can move yours?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Nov 4, 6:51=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 5:32 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> > John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> >> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
> >> together seamlessly.
>
> >> John
>
> > Just add water?
>
> No, it has to the natural byproduct of Shiner Beer, applied naturally ...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lew will insist on Gougeon Bros Single Malt with micro balloons.
On Nov 3, 9:52=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Where is the glue going to go?
Into the wood fibers. You sure you're not using adhesive caulk? :)
R
"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It is neat, but they cannot demonstrate any real need for the
> pricey tools they sell
Really? Just for information's sake, try asking Leon how often he uses his
Kerfmaker Pro? Or perhaps, ask Bridge City what the waiting period is for
one of their Jointmaker Pro tools? Most would consider them extremely pricey
and the waiting period is months and months. But, low and behold, there are
many people on the waiting list for one. That includes me.
Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
those additional tools on hand.
In article <ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
>
>Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
It is neat, but they cannot demonstrate any real need for the
pricey tools they sell
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 11/3/10 10:04 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<ac7a33c9-435a-44a0-bb35-47c922ecbfed@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> GarageWoodworks<[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
>>
>> Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
>
> It is neat, but they cannot demonstrate any real need for the
> pricey tools they sell
There are lots of tools we don't "need."
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
>> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>>
>> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
>> to swelling?)
>
>
>If you are glueing up two panels edge to edge and clamp up that union, how
>thick is that glue line? Naturally you would want to put a minimal amount
>but complete coverage layer in the bottom of the lap joints, but any more
>than enough to cover is too much.
>Earlier this year as mentioned in another post on this thread I was working
>on a project with 96 lap joints. These joints were 1/2" wide and 3/64" deep
>for a combined thickness of 3/32". The joints were tight enough to hold the
>assembly together with out glue as proven by the test fit. Applying the
>proper amount of glue posed no problem with fit.
>Had there been any weak joints the 8 assemblies would have flown apart
>during their 3-4 trips through the drum sander.
>
Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
Nale
On 11/4/10 9:18 AM, Josepi wrote:
> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
Myth.
> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>
No, did you watch the video?
> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
> to swelling?)
>
The joint fits. The strength is in the joint, due in part to the
tightness of the fit.
The glue is simply holding the two pieces together.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Nale Bangha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
>> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>>
>> Nale
>
>Bite Me
>
Too late for a meal. You are rabid.
The top dog had first chomp. Dickhead!
Not a good feeling being shown as
the weakest link, huh? Troll feeder.
Nale
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just our local Usenet troll that like to follow me around for the last six
>or seven years.
>
>Goes by hopper, Tazoar and a miriad of other names in different groups.
>Prides himself in how many groups he can "bring to their knees"
>
Paranoia much?
The colonial guy sure has you doing loops.
I am watching. Comical how he has set you up
in your own noose. Comical in how you walked
right into it.
No, look at your bowel, Janice.
My dear departed wife spent months in agony
before passing away. All down to you with your
crank posts on glutens.
Whilst it took me time to find you, I do have
you now.
Nailed.
I have little to do in the evenings now.
Your legacy haunts you, now.
Nale
On 11/4/10 3:31 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> Leaving room for glue is overrated. ;~)
>
It's an excuse for poor craftsmanship. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> It is neat, but they cannot demonstrate any real need for the
>> pricey tools they sell
>
>Really? Just for information's sake, try asking Leon how often he uses his
>Kerfmaker Pro? Or perhaps, ask Bridge City what the waiting period is for
>one of their Jointmaker Pro tools? Most would consider them extremely pricey
>and the waiting period is months and months. But, low and behold, there are
>many people on the waiting list for one. That includes me.
>
>Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
>use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
>knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
>those additional tools on hand.
>
>
Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 11/4/10 4:36 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 4, 4:35 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/4/10 3:31 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> Leaving room for glue is overrated. ;~)
>>
>> It's an excuse for poor craftsmanship. :-)
>
> Even if it's really good glue? Even if Festool made glue and had a
> Festool Psycron glue dispenser with metric gap filling settings?
>
> R
You don't need glue with Festool saws.
They leave behind a hook and loop surface that bonds, instantly, when
the joint is put together.
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In article <d3b76250-fbda-4a92-9a1a-858020747a81@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, [email protected] (Larry W) wrote:
>> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
>> >use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
>> >knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
>> >those additional tools on hand.
>>
>> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
>> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
>> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
>> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
>> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
>> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
>> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
>
>It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
>used. And cheaper.
>
>R
Indeed it is, I must admit when I first saw the B&D adjustable wrench with
a battery powered motor to do the adjusting, I reached a similar opinion
even more quickly. On the other hand, I really like my old Delta cast iron
tenoning jig, and there are plenty here on the rec that will tell me I'm a
fool for having one. :)
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with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
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On 11/4/10 4:48 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>> Even if it's really good glue? Even if Festool made glue and had a
>>> Festool Psycron glue dispenser with metric gap filling settings?
>>>
>>> R
>>
>> You don't need glue with Festool saws.
>> They leave behind a hook and loop surface that bonds, instantly, when
>> the joint is put together.
>
> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
> together seamlessly.
>
> John
>
That called a graft joint.
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On 11/4/2010 4:46 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<d3b76250-fbda-4a92-9a1a-858020747a81@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, [email protected] (Larry W) wrote:
>>> Upscale<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
>>>> use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
>>>> knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
>>>> those additional tools on hand.
>>>
>>> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
>>> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
>>> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
>>> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
>>> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
>>> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
>>> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
>>
>> It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
>> used. And cheaper.
>>
>> R
>
> Indeed it is, I must admit when I first saw the B&D adjustable wrench with
> a battery powered motor to do the adjusting, I reached a similar opinion
> even more quickly. On the other hand, I really like my old Delta cast iron
> tenoning jig, and there are plenty here on the rec that will tell me I'm a
> fool for having one. :)
Wanna sell it? I have a more modern Delta tenoning jig and it's great (WHO
says a tenoning jig isn't as useful as a pocket on a shirt?) but if you have
the one I think you do then I'm jealous.
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On 11/4/2010 4:34 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, [email protected] (Larry W) wrote:
>> Upscale<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
>>> use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
>>> knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
>>> those additional tools on hand.
>>
>> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
>> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
>> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
>> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
>> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
>> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
>> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
>
> It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
> used. And cheaper.
I recall a similar recent conversation about the Grr-Ripper.
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On 11/4/2010 5:51 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 5:32 PM, Bill wrote:
>> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
>>> together seamlessly.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>> Just add water?
>
> No, it has to the natural byproduct of Shiner Beer, applied naturally ...
Did somebody mention Shiner? Hot dang, I'm off to the fridge... :-)
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In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/4/2010 4:46 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<d3b76250-fbda-4a92-9a1a-858020747a81@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, [email protected] (Larry W) wrote:
>>>> Upscale<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Need and price are most certainly relative to the person that is going to
>>>>> use the tool. When you get down to it, few of us need more than a pocket
>>>>> knife to build our projects, but it sure is nice and convenient to have
>>>>> those additional tools on hand.
>>>>
>>>> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
>>>> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
>>>> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
>>>> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
>>>> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
>>>> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
>>>> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
>>>
>>> It's so much quicker to have firm opinions on tools you've never
>>> used. And cheaper.
>>>
>>> R
>>
>> Indeed it is, I must admit when I first saw the B&D adjustable wrench with
>> a battery powered motor to do the adjusting, I reached a similar opinion
>> even more quickly. On the other hand, I really like my old Delta cast iron
>> tenoning jig, and there are plenty here on the rec that will tell me I'm a
>> fool for having one. :)
>
>Wanna sell it? I have a more modern Delta tenoning jig and it's great (WHO
>says a tenoning jig isn't as useful as a pocket on a shirt?) but if you have
>the one I think you do then I'm jealous.
<...snipped...>
We probably have the same one, mine isn't _that_ old. It's a 34-183.
About the same as the current 34-184:
http://www.amazon.com/DELTA-34-184-Universal-Deluxe-Tenoning-Jig/dp/B00006S7C7/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1288917308&sr=8-1
I've seen the older model you're probably thinking of, I don't know if I
could even lift it! The 1172 model:
http://www.owwm.com/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=5457
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On 11/4/2010 7:40 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Steve Turner<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/4/2010 4:46 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> Indeed it is, I must admit when I first saw the B&D adjustable wrench with
>>> a battery powered motor to do the adjusting, I reached a similar opinion
>>> even more quickly. On the other hand, I really like my old Delta cast iron
>>> tenoning jig, and there are plenty here on the rec that will tell me I'm a
>>> fool for having one. :)
>>
>> Wanna sell it? I have a more modern Delta tenoning jig and it's great (WHO
>> says a tenoning jig isn't as useful as a pocket on a shirt?) but if you have
>> the one I think you do then I'm jealous.
> <...snipped...>
>
> We probably have the same one, mine isn't _that_ old. It's a 34-183.
Yes, we do. Mine is also the 34-183. I've use mine a LOT, and it's a very
useful tool.
> I've seen the older model you're probably thinking of, I don't know if I
> could even lift it! The 1172 model:
> http://www.owwm.com/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=5457
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of, or at least some variation thereof. No
doubt our modern versions have more features and are probably more useful, but
I'd still like to have one of those old jobbies if I could find one.
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GarageWoodworks <[email protected]> wrote:
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExGi9HbLSM
: Neat demonstration of the need for woodworking accuracy.
How much is that piece of wood going to contract and expand across its width
with humidity (and temperature) changes?
I don't have Hoadley's book, but I vaguely recall when I built a bookcase with both maple
and sycamore, looking up the rates of expansion (to make sure they matched), and it
was something like 1/8 or 1/4" across the depth of the bookcase. That gives something like .006"
per inch, a bigger gap than any of the loose joints the BCTW video shows.
-- Andy Barss
On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
> dot net> wrote:
>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a woodworker is
>> by the quality of his joints.
>
> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
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On 11/4/10 10:08 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>> dot net> wrote:
>>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a
>>> woodworker is
>>> by the quality of his joints.
>>
>> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>
> Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>
You guys have it easy.
Mine snap, crackle, and pop.
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On 11/05/10 3:44 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 5, 12:06 am, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/4/10 10:08 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>>> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>>>> dot net> wrote:
>>>>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a
>>>>> woodworker is
>>>>> by the quality of his joints.
>>
>>>> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>>
>>> Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>>
>> You guys have it easy.
>> Mine snap, crackle, and pop.
>>
>
> There are days when my right knee feels like it has razor blade
> fragments in it.
> The other morning, I couldn't lower my right arm after I combed my
> hair...not without cringeworthy/tear-inducing bolts of blue neon pain.
> Then a bit of a crunch and all is well for weeks and weeks. It all
> depends on how I slept on it.
> I blame the years of gruelling dirt-bike riding...and the fact that
> the shoulder and knee are both on the same side, makes me think it
> could have been that same tree that totalled my Husqvarna.
>
I'm getting tired of the noises, only I can hear, when I turn my head.
Coming from the base of my neck, it seems to resonate through the bones,
one of these days when I am driving and check over my right shoulder it
may get interesting.....
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>> dot net> wrote:
>>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a woodworker is
>>> by the quality of his joints.
>>
>> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>
>Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
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In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Well of course it really comes down to opinion and individual preference
>> in this instance. For my own needs and preferences, I stand by my
>> statement of opinion that the Kerfmaker is an unnecessary, exorbitantly
>> priced, and overrated tool. I'll stick with the old method, accurate,
>> tried and true in my experience, and described in the past on the rec,
>> of cutting any old piece of scrap as a guide. YMMV and your opinion
>> may be different. That's what makes the world and usenet go round.
>
>
>
>I'll agree with your assessment that the Kerfmaker is unnecessary, The joint
>can be cut with a hand held circular saw with no real need for a TS which
>will cost much more. I agree with your assessment that the Kerfmaker is
>exorbitantly priced, all of Bridge City Tools are, yet I own several of
>their tools.
>
>If you actually cut half lap joints on a regular basis or avoid them because
>they can be a lot of trouble to reproduce accurately over and over than, I
>don't agree that the tool is overrated, it does exactly what it is designed
>to do with VERY little effort and chance of error. If would be overrated if
>it showed even a hint of not being able to do what it was designed to do,
>perfectly. There is no flaw in the design and if the joint does not come
>out correctly it is not the fault of the Kerfmaker.
>
>Unless you have actually used one your assumption that it is overrated is
>not valid. If you have used one and still feel that it is over rated you
>really don't have the skill to do accurate work any way.
>
>Now that is not to say that you are not a skilled woodworker, it is only to
>indicate that this tool makes as much sense and works as dependably as an
>electric on/off switch on a corded tool. You can stop and start an electric
>power tool by simply plugging it in and unplugging the power cord but life
>is soooo much easier if you don't have to do that every time you want to use
>the tool.
>
>
I concede your point about the tool not being overrated. I am sure it does
work very well for its intended purpose and I do like the design and
implementation. I still would call it unnecessary, as it takes less than
a minute to cut a piece of stock that will do precisely the same thing.
And that method doesn't anything to be recalibrated if you change blades.
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "Nale Bangha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Enjoying being trolled. Dickhead!
>>> Wake up to the environment and smell the troll shit.
>>>
>>> Nale
>>
>> Bite Me
>
> Now Leon - that's just not like you...
I know..... no misspelled workd or anything.
In news:[email protected],
-MIKE- <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> On 11/4/10 10:08 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/4/2010 10:02 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 10:44 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>>> dot net> wrote:
>>>> It is an old maxim, but it is true. You can tell how good a
>>>> woodworker is
>>>> by the quality of his joints.
>>>
>>> Mine creak. At least my knees do.
>>
>> Mine probably do too, except I can't hear 'em. :-)
>>
>
> You guys have it easy.
> Mine snap, crackle, and pop.
Mine always get a "run" in them, or keep going out<g>
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/4/10 4:36 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 4:35 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 11/4/10 3:31 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leaving room for glue is overrated. ;~)
>>>
>>> It's an excuse for poor craftsmanship. :-)
>>
>> Even if it's really good glue? Even if Festool made glue and had a
>> Festool Psycron glue dispenser with metric gap filling settings?
>>
>> R
>
> You don't need glue with Festool saws.
> They leave behind a hook and loop surface that bonds, instantly, when the
> joint is put together.
I hear the new L-N glue will allow the various pieces of wood to grow
together seamlessly.
John
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The joint, promoted, has no space for glue.
> How about 0 thickness? Would that be the strongest?
>
> I guess there would be some absoption (or would the joint fit together due
> to swelling?)
If you are glueing up two panels edge to edge and clamp up that union, how
thick is that glue line? Naturally you would want to put a minimal amount
but complete coverage layer in the bottom of the lap joints, but any more
than enough to cover is too much.
Earlier this year as mentioned in another post on this thread I was working
on a project with 96 lap joints. These joints were 1/2" wide and 3/64" deep
for a combined thickness of 3/32". The joints were tight enough to hold the
assembly together with out glue as proven by the test fit. Applying the
proper amount of glue posed no problem with fit.
Had there been any weak joints the 8 assemblies would have flown apart
during their 3-4 trips through the drum sander.