Has anybody else bought this thing? I just bought it yesterday and spent the
evening working on chisels I find the sharpening centre to be an extremely
poor design. Getting a consistent angle on the chisels is almost impossible
with the way the tool rest adjusts and unless I am extremely careful setting
up each steel or chisel the flat stone is not going to end up with ridges
that will be hard to flatten out.
At this point I would advise against spending the money on this but I am
going to try to get the Delta rep to demonstrate how to use it effectively.
My initial evaluation suggests it needs a sturdier tool rest with a firm
vertical guide so that you could use a micro adjustment to set your height
and a mounting jig so that steels or chisels could get fastened into the
traveller consistently. This would allow you to obtain a consistent angle
and always use the entire stone so that it wears evenly. The guide that
comes on the traveller is only good for steels so chisels have to be set
using a machinist square in an awkward position. If you don't do this you'll
get your chisels out of square real fast. All they had to do was mount the
guide on the other surface to fix this.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a woodworker who designed this thing. I spent $275
(CDN) and now my chisel angle range between 23 and 32 degrees and I have to
put my secondary bevels on using scary sharp. Is that money well spent?
Let me know if you've used this thing and how it went.
Norm
nedelmann atshawdot ca
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:32:09 -0500, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Save your money . Do NOT buy the Makita. It was truly the MOST
>frustrating tool I have ever owned and I own a lot. Do some
>research-you'll find out that most people say the same thing. And the
>planer blade jig is a JOKE. Not a worthwhile tool and I hate to say so
>since I love Makita tools normally.
>
I own three of them and use the hell out of them. I do all the chisels and plane
blades and such free hand. I have never used the planer jig but have heard it
works fine. don't know why it would not work fine it is a solid piece of
machinery.
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>I guess I'll stick with my original plan, then. The Makita is so much
>less expensive than the Tormek it's probably worth the gamble to see
>if I can make it work.
If you learn to sue it free hand you can do so much on it. I can take one of my
new irons that has a rough grind and flatten the back and flatten the bevel in
less then two minutes. then finish sharpening it in another 2 minutes. but the
makita and the tormek really will not fully sharpen a tool.
I use a lap to flatten the makita
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2186772061&category=4843
but you need a backer as it is too thin. You can buy lap plates and put psa
paper on the for grinding.
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if you checked the archives you would have seen plenty of bad press about it
long ago. Nothing new here.
dave
Norm Edelmann wrote:
> Has anybody else bought this thing? I just bought it yesterday and spent the
> evening working on chisels I find the sharpening centre to be an extremely
> poor design. Getting a consistent angle on the chisels is almost impossible
> with the way the tool rest adjusts and unless I am extremely careful setting
> up each steel or chisel the flat stone is not going to end up with ridges
> that will be hard to flatten out.
>
> At this point I would advise against spending the money on this but I am
> going to try to get the Delta rep to demonstrate how to use it effectively.
> My initial evaluation suggests it needs a sturdier tool rest with a firm
> vertical guide so that you could use a micro adjustment to set your height
> and a mounting jig so that steels or chisels could get fastened into the
> traveller consistently. This would allow you to obtain a consistent angle
> and always use the entire stone so that it wears evenly. The guide that
> comes on the traveller is only good for steels so chisels have to be set
> using a machinist square in an awkward position. If you don't do this you'll
> get your chisels out of square real fast. All they had to do was mount the
> guide on the other surface to fix this.
>
> I'm pretty sure it wasn't a woodworker who designed this thing. I spent $275
> (CDN) and now my chisel angle range between 23 and 32 degrees and I have to
> put my secondary bevels on using scary sharp. Is that money well spent?
>
> Let me know if you've used this thing and how it went.
>
> Norm
> nedelmann atshawdot ca
Is it returnable?
I have one and it was okay because I wasn't too fussy. But I also had
the optional knife sharpening attachment. I now use a more pricy thing.
John
Norm Edelmann wrote:
>Has anybody else bought this thing? I just bought it yesterday and spent the
>evening working on chisels I find the sharpening centre to be an extremely
>poor design. Getting a consistent angle on the chisels is almost impossible
>with the way the tool rest adjusts and unless I am extremely careful setting
>up each steel or chisel the flat stone is not going to end up with ridges
>that will be hard to flatten out.
>
>At this point I would advise against spending the money on this but I am
>going to try to get the Delta rep to demonstrate how to use it effectively.
>My initial evaluation suggests it needs a sturdier tool rest with a firm
>vertical guide so that you could use a micro adjustment to set your height
>and a mounting jig so that steels or chisels could get fastened into the
>traveller consistently. This would allow you to obtain a consistent angle
>and always use the entire stone so that it wears evenly. The guide that
>comes on the traveller is only good for steels so chisels have to be set
>using a machinist square in an awkward position. If you don't do this you'll
>get your chisels out of square real fast. All they had to do was mount the
>guide on the other surface to fix this.
>
>I'm pretty sure it wasn't a woodworker who designed this thing. I spent $275
>(CDN) and now my chisel angle range between 23 and 32 degrees and I have to
>put my secondary bevels on using scary sharp. Is that money well spent?
>
>Let me know if you've used this thing and how it went.
>
>Norm
>nedelmann atshawdot ca
>
>
>
>
Get a Tormek and you won't be disappointed. I had to EBay a bunch of stuff
before I could afford to buy it. I really enjoy working with it. I also
have a Makita sharpener. I tried it once on a chisel and also on my Tormek
which is a no brainer to use. I'm now thinking about putting the Makita on
EBay and saving up money now for the Akeda dovetail jig.
"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Save your money . Do NOT buy the Makita. It was truly the MOST
> frustrating tool I have ever owned and I own a lot. Do some
> research-you'll find out that most people say the same thing. And the
> planer blade jig is a JOKE. Not a worthwhile tool and I hate to say so
> since I love Makita tools normally.
>
> On 6 Aug 2003 00:11:15 -0700, [email protected] (Brett A. Thomas) wrote:
>
> >"Eric Lund" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >> Condolences.
> >>
> >> Absolute Junk. Delta didn't even bring one to the big AWFS show here
in
> >> Anaheim. I guess that indicates how proud they are of it. Mine
gathers
> >> dust. I replaced it with a Tormek. Easy, accurate. Not as fast as
Steve
> >> Knight needs for his work, but works great for me. A bit pricey, but
even
> >> my kithen knives have never been so sharp.
> >>
> >> Hope you can return it.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Eric
> >
> >I don't have any "hands on" experience with any of these machines, but
> >my Googling of RW led me to plan to buy the Makita 9820-2 sharpener,
> >which I didn't even know existed before said Googling.
> >
> >From what I've read previously, the stones from the Makita unit will
> >work unmodified with the Delta unit (assuming you're talking about a
> >23-710, not a 23-700) and significantly improve it. If you're unable
> >to return yours, you might want to consider buying a Makita stone.
> >
> >If you're starting new, since a Makita comes with a Makita stone and
> >costs about as much as a 23-710 + Makita stone, why not reward Makita
> >with all your money for making a product which doesn't suck? Besides
> >which, I beleive the Makita comes with a planer-knife sharpening jig
> >which you have to pay extra for on the Delta (although you should
> >verify that before you purchase, since it's been a week since I looked
> >into all this).
> >
> >The reason I decided to go with the Makita instead of the Tormek is,
> >from what I've read, the Makita is an 8, the Tormek is a 9 and
> >hand-sharpening is a 10. Since I want a 10, it follows that I'm only
> >going to use my slow grinder for initial stages and finish up by hand,
> >so I figure I'll spend $240 for a Makita and rather than $700 for a
> >Tormek plus all the attachments I'd want, since I'm still going to
> >finish up by hand, anyhow.
> >
> >-BAT
>
Tried it, dumped it .... before I found the usefulness of dejavuing (google
now) the wrec archives a few years back. Its gotten very few positive
reviews, and many that consider it a POS.
Preponderance of the opinion appears to be of the latter ilk, and I agree.
Try it yourself:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Delta%20sharpening%20center&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=lang_en&num=100&hl=en
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"Norm Edelmann" wrote in message
> Has anybody else bought this thing? I just bought it yesterday and spent
the
> evening working on chisels
"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Get a Tormek and you won't be disappointed.
>
> "Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Save your money . Do NOT buy the Makita.
Wow. I stand corrected. Most of the articles I was reading said the
Makita was a lot better than the Delta, but I guess it's all relative.
Sorry for the misinformation.
-BAT
Steve Knight <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:32:09 -0500, Lawrence A. Ramsey
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Save your money . Do NOT buy the Makita. It was truly the MOST
> >frustrating tool I have ever owned and I own a lot.
>
> I own three of them and use the hell out of them. I do all the chisels and plane
> blades and such free hand. I have never used the planer jig but have heard it
> works fine. don't know why it would not work fine it is a solid piece of
> machinery.
Well, I'm glad we were all able to come to a consensus on whether or
not one should purchase a Makita sharpener ;).
I guess I'll stick with my original plan, then. The Makita is so much
less expensive than the Tormek it's probably worth the gamble to see
if I can make it work.
-BAT
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:42:55 GMT, "Norm Edelmann" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Has anybody else bought this thing? I just bought it yesterday and spent the
>evening working on chisels I find the sharpening centre to be an extremely
>poor design. Getting a consistent angle on the chisels is almost impossible
>with the way the tool rest adjusts and unless I am extremely careful setting
>up each steel or chisel the flat stone is not going to end up with ridges
>that will be hard to flatten out.
>
totally worthless machine. if you can learn to free hand sharpen and buy a
makita stone for it is usable but not worth it really.
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>Wow. I stand corrected. Most of the articles I was reading said the
>Makita was a lot better than the Delta, but I guess it's all relative.
the makita is a good tool.
Plus You can set it up to use the tormek jigs. plus you can make and buy
platters so you can change grits fast. I have one platter with 80 grit zircona
discs on it for grinding one with a diamond lap to flatten the regular wheel.
check this out
http://www.davidreedsmith.com/Articles/Sharpening/sharpening.htm
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/pictures/newshop11.jpg
I use the hell out of them thousands of plane blades and tools later.
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"Brett A. Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Get a Tormek and you won't be disappointed.
> >
> > "Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Save your money . Do NOT buy the Makita.
>
> Wow. I stand corrected. Most of the articles I was reading said the
> Makita was a lot better than the Delta, but I guess it's all relative.
>
> Sorry for the misinformation.
>
> -BAT
There's no question about it, Makita is far superior to the Delta. I just
love my Tormek and I have both.
Condolences.
Absolute Junk. Delta didn't even bring one to the big AWFS show here in
Anaheim. I guess that indicates how proud they are of it. Mine gathers
dust. I replaced it with a Tormek. Easy, accurate. Not as fast as Steve
Knight needs for his work, but works great for me. A bit pricey, but even
my kithen knives have never been so sharp.
Hope you can return it.
Cheers,
Eric