caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
store and died while up there
no one noticed and they forgot he was there
apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days
if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them
i will check out so they know
On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 3:55:52 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a shit storm of=
pontificating bullshit.
>=20
> Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing.
>=20
> I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service gu=
ys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they stil=
l get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could ea=
sily be Chris King on any given day.
>=20
> I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites th=
at have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do=
estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repair=
s and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we=
just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man sh=
ow that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to comp=
letion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I =
realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to =
help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job wa=
s his undoing.
>=20
> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been m=
akes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for cryin=
g out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a b=
it) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the g=
uy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was =
there to help others.
>=20
> If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him o=
n how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the worl=
d, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. Wit=
h this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof.
>=20
> It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least =
10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days.
>=20
> Robert
+1
Nuff said.
How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a shit storm of p=
ontificating bullshit.
Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing.
I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys=
that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still =
get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easi=
ly be Chris King on any given day.
I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that=
have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do e=
stimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs =
and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we j=
ust email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show=
that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to comple=
tion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I re=
alize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to he=
lp. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was =
his undoing.
Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been mak=
es me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying =
out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit=
) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy=
that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was th=
ere to help others.
If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on =
how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world,=
letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With =
this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof.
It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10=
X the interest than any wood working thread do these days.
Robert
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/17/2017 12:29 AM, OFWW wrote:
>
>> Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to
>> leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event.
>>
>> As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were
>> doing or why unless it affected them directly.
>>
>> If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he
>> had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have
>> checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled
>> call.
>>
>> Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional
>> person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee
>> turnover.
>>
>
>Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so
>no service manager to look for him.
>
>Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general
>handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he
>was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for
>cheap. Sad way to go.
Thanks for the inside info. Makes sense.
Knew of an HVAC guy here who was working in a crawl space attic and
had a heart attack there, the customer heard him through the ceiling
and called fire rescue, and while I can't remember how they got him
out, I think it was through the ceiling. Fortunately the story
happened happily with full recovery.
>>
>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>
>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>
>
>Dead is dead.
>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>certified EMT? Just in case?
>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>awareness of on site personnel.
You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
nothing can be done .. Duh.
Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
especially any young workers who are too green to
challenge you.
1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
2. check-in / check-out daily or more
3. communication checks from job site
These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
the investigators to consider - and recommend
improvements.
John T.
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4, Dave in SoTex wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the
> > jest. He was not groomed for the position.
> >
> > Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~)
>
> Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable
> maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond.
> All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists.
>
> Dave in SoTex
If you had gone up on the roof of an Eckerds (now CVS) and died while you were up
there, would you have been left there for a couple of days or were procedures
in place to keep track of maintenance workers?
On 4/19/2017 3:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others.
> Robert
>
Thank you, Robert
I never met Chris but have known him from usenet for a few years now.
He led a simple life, lived alone in a modest trailer and helped a lot
of people. If there is a heaven, he is there.
It would be a better world if we were all as giving.
On 4/19/2017 2:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a shit
> storm of pontificating bullshit.
>
> Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing.
>
> I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have
> service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away,
> and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without
> prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day.
>
> I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial
> sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb
> on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on
> ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc.
> Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was
> strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible
> for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing
> that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize
> that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to
> help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that
> job was his undoing.
>
> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have
> been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is
> dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And
> apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just
> went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of
> life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others.
>
> If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around
> him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface
> with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal
> responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off
> the damn roof.
>
> It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at
> least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days.
>
> Robert
>
A lot of "Posers" here. A few here, and myself, as do you Robert, share
what we do. I do not give much notice to those that argue for the sake
of doing so. Few step up to actually show their work or to be helpful
in any way. Sad.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:50:38 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:47:18 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:38 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dead is dead.
>>>>>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>>>>>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>>>>>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>>>>>certified EMT? Just in case?
>>>>>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>>>>>awareness of on site personnel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
>>>>nothing can be done .. Duh.
>>>> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
>>>>especially any young workers who are too green to
>>>>challenge you.
>>>> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
>>>
>>>Not the customer's issue
>>
>>Actually, it can be. I wouldn't bet on the labour board totally
>>absolving you of responsibility
>
>Maybe in Cannuckistan. He didn't fall off the roof. He dropped dead
>of a heart attack. The customer had no liability whatsoever.
The USA is a lot more litigious than Canada. That said, in THIS case
there would not likely be any fallout -but there are many other
similar situations where liability could be assessed.- even in the
USA.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>
>caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
>store and died while up there
Ah yes, the stormin' moron. (aka chris young)
On 4/18/2017 12:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>> maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>
>>> not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>
>>
>> Dead is dead.
>> Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>> was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>> have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>> certified EMT? Just in case?
>> No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>> awareness of on site personnel.
>
>
> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
> nothing can be done .. Duh.
> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
> especially any young workers who are too green to
> challenge you.
> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
> 2. check-in / check-out daily or more
> 3. communication checks from job site
>
> These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
> the investigators to consider - and recommend
> improvements.
> John T.
>
I think he was commenting about the customers of the serviceman. They
are not in charge of monitoring work safety guidelines.
On 4/18/2017 11:31 AM, OFWW wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:36:28 -0700, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent
>>> so no service manager to look for him.
>>>
>>> Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general
>>> handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but
>>> he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors
>>> for cheap. Sad way to go.
>>
>> that is true and sounds too young
>>
>> after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to
>> determine
>>
>>
>> maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>
>> not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>
>
> Dead is dead.
> Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
> was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
> have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
> certified EMT? Just in case?
Agreed. You hire people to do this and it is up to those people to take
proper precautions.
>
> No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
> awareness of on site personnel.
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> >>
> >>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
> >>
> >>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
> >>
> >
> >Dead is dead.
> >Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
> >was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
> >have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
> >certified EMT? Just in case?
> >No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
> >awareness of on site personnel.
>
>
> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
> nothing can be done .. Duh.
> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
> especially any young workers who are too green to
> challenge you.
> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
> 2. check-in / check-out daily or more
> 3. communication checks from job site
>
> These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
> the investigators to consider - and recommend
> improvements.
> John T.
When did a store manager become the person in charge of the safety of
specialized contractors who are not store employees?
On 4/16/2017 11:29 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
>> store and died while up there
>>
>> no one noticed and they forgot he was there
>>
>> apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days
>>
>>
>> if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them
>> i will check out so they know
>>
>
> Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to
> leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event.
>
> As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were
> doing or why unless it affected them directly.
>
> If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he
> had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have
> checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled
> call.
>
> Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional
> person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee
> turnover.
>
Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the
jest. He was not groomed for the position.
Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~)
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>
>>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>
>>
>>Dead is dead.
>>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>>certified EMT? Just in case?
>>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>>awareness of on site personnel.
>
>
> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
>nothing can be done .. Duh.
> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
>especially any young workers who are too green to
>challenge you.
> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
Not the customer's issue.
> 2. check-in / check-out daily or more
That'll help a lot with a heart attack. So he's only dead a day
instead of three. So what?
> 3. communication checks from job site
Not the customer's issue.
>
>These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
>the investigators to consider - and recommend
>improvements.
None would have saved his life. Anything else is just a waste of
time.
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:24:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4, Dave in SoTex wrote:
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> > Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the
>> > jest. He was not groomed for the position.
>> >
>> > Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~)
>>
>> Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable
>> maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond.
>> All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists.
>>
>> Dave in SoTex
>
>If you had gone up on the roof of an Eckerds (now CVS) and died while you were up
>there, would you have been left there for a couple of days or were procedures
>in place to keep track of maintenance workers?
Since I did commercial and industrial HVAC, few retail stores ever
cared about checking, if any. There was never any routine for
checking, and unless you killed an A/C unit to service and it got hot
in the Pharmacy, they would care less, or the managers office. :)
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
>store and died while up there
>
>no one noticed and they forgot he was there
>
>apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days
>
>
>if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them
>i will check out so they know
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sadly it appears either Stormy did not make the arrangements, or the
Walgreens employees did not follow through. Although Stormey wasn't
always the sharpest pencil in the drawer, I'm betting on the Walgreens
staff totally missing the boat on this one. Might not have saved his
life, but would have meant the corpse wasn't up on the roof 3 or 4
days before being found.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>
>>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>
>>
>>Dead is dead.
>>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>>certified EMT? Just in case?
>>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>>awareness of on site personnel.
>
>
> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
>nothing can be done .. Duh.
Having worked in the industry I am fully aware of what goes on. Yes,
the ridiculous solutions were just that, and costly as well. Also I
have worked at sites who had roof top cameras for security reasons and
the guards monitored them.
> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
>especially any young workers who are too green to
>challenge you.
> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
> 2. check-in / check-out daily or more
> 3. communication checks from job site
>
Checking in/out is the workers responsibility, and they usually do so
that the customer is kept abreast of the work done or being done.
It is the managers responsibility for all the rest. I have worked on
stores just like what was described, and know their various shifts,
using part time workers, etc.
Workplace safety is high on my list, especially given the scenarios of
drug usage affecting work safety.
I'd guess that my personal experience in this area far outstrips
anything you have done or have experience with, and I know what works
and what doesn't. We are all responsible for our own safety and well
being. And yes, when working as the boss of others I am aware of
State, Federal, City, County and union requirements.
You would probably not fit in as an employee.
>These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
>the investigators to consider - and recommend
>improvements.
What investigators? This isn't the first case of its type. and you
don't know the half of it. Plus this guy was evidently an independent
working for himself, and more than likely cut a few corners of his own
in order to maximize his earnings.
> John T.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:21:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/19/2017 3:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others.
>
As much as the death may sadden us, there are things to learn from
this.
>>
>
>
>Thank you, Robert
>I never met Chris but have known him from usenet for a few years now.
>He led a simple life, lived alone in a modest trailer and helped a lot
>of people. If there is a heaven, he is there.
I didn't realize who we were talking about. I knew him from AHR, from
way back (but haven't been active there for several years).
>
>It would be a better world if we were all as giving.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent
> so no service manager to look for him.
>
> Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general
> handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but
> he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors
> for cheap. Sad way to go.
that is true and sounds too young
after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to
determine
maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
not exactly what you want your store to be known for
On 4/19/2017 3:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a shit storm of pontificating bullshit.
>
> Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing.
>
> I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day.
>
> I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was his undoing.
>
> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others.
>
> If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof.
>
> It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days.
>
> Robert
>
Well stated.
[email protected] wrote:
> How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become
> a shit
> storm of pontificating bullshit.
>
> Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this
> man's passing.
>
> I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that
> have
> service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or
> moved away,
> and yet they still get up every day and do something
> useful without
> prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given
> day.
>
> I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small
> commercial
> sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with,
> and I climb
> on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go
> high on
> ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports,
> etc.
> Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text.
> It was
> strange at first being a completely one man show that is
> responsible
> for every aspect of the work from estimating to
> completion. Doing
> that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it.
> I realize
> that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is
> no one to
> help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day,
> doing that
> job was his undoing.
>
> Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought
> to have
> been makes me glad I don't work that much with others.
> The guy is
> dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living.
> And
> apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived,
> he just
> went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much
> out of
> life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to
> help others.
>
> If only you guys had been there to advise him and the
> people around
> him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to
> interface
> with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and
> personal
> responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have
> jumped off
> the damn roof.
>
> It seems that these threads of bickering self
> righteousness get at
> least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do
> these days.
>
> Robert
+10
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
>store and died while up there
>
>no one noticed and they forgot he was there
>
>apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days
>
>
>if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them
>i will check out so they know
>
Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to
leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event.
As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were
doing or why unless it affected them directly.
If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he
had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have
checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled
call.
Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional
person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee
turnover.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:38 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>>
>>>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>>
>>>
>>>Dead is dead.
>>>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>>>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>>>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>>>certified EMT? Just in case?
>>>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>>>awareness of on site personnel.
>>
>>
>> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
>>nothing can be done .. Duh.
>> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
>>especially any young workers who are too green to
>>challenge you.
>> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
>
>Not the customer's issue
Actually, it can be. I wouldn't bet on the labour board totally
absolving you of responsibility
>
>> 2. check-in / check-out daily or more
>
>That'll help a lot with a heart attack. So he's only dead a day
>instead of three. So what?
>
>> 3. communication checks from job site
>
>Not the customer's issue.
>>
>>These are just a quick few topics of conversation for
>>the investigators to consider - and recommend
>>improvements.
>
>None would have saved his life. Anything else is just a waste of
>time.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 09:00:10 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 4/16/2017 11:29 PM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen
>>> store and died while up there
>>>
>>> no one noticed and they forgot he was there
>>>
>>> apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days
>>>
>>>
>>> if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them
>>> i will check out so they know
>>>
>>
>> Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to
>> leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event.
>>
>> As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were
>> doing or why unless it affected them directly.
>>
>> If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he
>> had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have
>> checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled
>> call.
>>
>> Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional
>> person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee
>> turnover.
>>
>
>
>Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the
>jest. He was not groomed for the position.
>
Point taken.
>Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~)
Yeah, didn't think of that, the HVAC intake should have picked up the
odor and spread it around.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:47:18 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:38 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>>>>>
>>>>>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dead is dead.
>>>>Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
>>>>was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
>>>>have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
>>>>certified EMT? Just in case?
>>>>No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
>>>>awareness of on site personnel.
>>>
>>>
>>> You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say
>>>nothing can be done .. Duh.
>>> Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety -
>>>especially any young workers who are too green to
>>>challenge you.
>>> 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location
>>
>>Not the customer's issue
>
>Actually, it can be. I wouldn't bet on the labour board totally
>absolving you of responsibility
Maybe in Cannuckistan. He didn't fall off the roof. He dropped dead
of a heart attack. The customer had no liability whatsoever.
On 4/17/2017 12:29 AM, OFWW wrote:
> Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to
> leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event.
>
> As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were
> doing or why unless it affected them directly.
>
> If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he
> had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have
> checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled
> call.
>
> Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional
> person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee
> turnover.
>
Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so
no service manager to look for him.
Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general
handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he
was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for
cheap. Sad way to go.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:36:28 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent
>> so no service manager to look for him.
>>
>> Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general
>> handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but
>> he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors
>> for cheap. Sad way to go.
>
>that is true and sounds too young
>
>after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to
>determine
>
>
>maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people
>
>not exactly what you want your store to be known for
>
Dead is dead.
Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he
was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then
have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a
certified EMT? Just in case?
No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers
awareness of on site personnel.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:55:47 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a shit storm of pontificating bullshit.
>
>Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing.
>
>I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day.
>
>I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was his undoing.
>
>Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others.
>
>If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof.
>
>It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days.
>
>Robert
I agree with you, back of my mind though was the sorrow for the guy
evidently had no one caring about him, or so it seemed.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the
> jest. He was not groomed for the position.
>
> Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~)
Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable
maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond.
All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists.
Dave in SoTex