Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
the top and face area of the case.
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
and he may be right.
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
looks right though.
So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot
someone sent me of theirs.
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
Thanks for the help!
Scott--
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
> the top and face area of the case.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>
>
> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
> and he may be right.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>
>
> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
> looks right though.
>
> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>
> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>
> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot
> someone sent me of theirs.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>
>
> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>
> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Scott--
Scott;
The wood on the corners looks like crotch-figure black walnut to me.
But the wood with the vertically-aligned grain around the dial looks
like mahogany.
--Steve
Jim wrote:
> "Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
>> the top and face area of the case.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>>
>> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
>> and he may be right.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>>
>> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
>> looks right though.
>>
>> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>>
>> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>>
>> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot someone
>> sent me of theirs.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>>
>> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>>
>> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>> Scott--
> It looks to me like either walnut or mahogany. I doubt that RCA would have
> used mahogany though.
>
> Jim
>
>
Walnut doesn't typically have a red cast though does it? I've got some
walnut veneer to use but it's lacking any red, more of a base brown.
When I zoom the "close shot" it definately looks like mahogany. --dave
"Old guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NQayh.259634$aJ.176679@attbi_s21...
> But the problem is going to be to match its appearance, whatever wood it
> is.
>
> I'd vote for walnut, I have a nice old walnut dresser in my office here
> that my dad cleaned and refinished, and its color is about halfway between
> walnut and mahogany. And he didn't use any coloring on it, just varnish.
>
> I've read somewhere that the steam kilns drive the red color out of
> walnut, and give us a dingy brown, compared to air drying.
>
> If the grain comes close, the rest will be done with the magic of lightly
> tinted glazes, I'll bet.
>
> Old Guy
>
> "Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
>> the top and face area of the case.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>>
>> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
>> and he may be right.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>>
>> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
>> looks right though.
>>
>> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>>
>> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>>
>> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot someone
>> sent me of theirs.
>>
>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>>
>> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>>
>> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>> Scott--
>
>
Scott,
Two more pictures of why I say the wood is mahogany. First photo is
similar to the area around the dial.
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2rr1moo
Second photo is similar to the top. With walnut this type of pattern
usually has a more pronounced V shape. With mahogany the V shape is
usually more rounded like in this photo and on your radio.
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=4517g5v
Stewart
Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme] wrote:
> Walnut doesn't typically have a red cast though does it? I've got
> some walnut veneer to use but it's lacking any red, more of a base
> brown.
Depends. Freshly cut, raw walnut is a dark brown - almost purplish at
times - but as it ages it gets lighter and redder. Hard to tell from
your photos...
--
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"Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim wrote:
>> "Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
>>> the top and face area of the case.
>>>
>>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>>>
>>> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
>>> and he may be right.
>>>
>>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>>>
>>> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
>>> looks right though.
>>>
>>> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>>>
>>> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>>>
>>> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot
>>> someone sent me of theirs.
>>>
>>> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>>>
>>> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>>>
>>> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help!
>>> Scott--
>> It looks to me like either walnut or mahogany. I doubt that RCA would
>> have used mahogany though.
>>
>> Jim
>
> Walnut doesn't typically have a red cast though does it? I've got some
> walnut veneer to use but it's lacking any red, more of a base brown.
Sometimes the manufacturers use finishes that change the color ever so
slightly. Sometimes the sawmills bleach the raw wood to remove
imperfections in the color. It can be very difficult to decide what the
wood is even when you have it in front of you.
And, it might not be either one. It is not uncommon to find generic
hardwood stained to appear like some more expensive wood. I have used
walnut stains that left a reddish cast to the wood (when applied to either
oak or ash). There are products that do not leave much red, and there are
others that do.
Jim
In article <[email protected]>, Scott Hildenbrand <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote:
>Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
>the top and face area of the case.
>
>http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_ven
>eer_needing_repl.php
>
>My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
>and he may be right.
>
>http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.
>php
>
>But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
>looks right though.
>
>So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
Your FIL nailed it, IMO. Walnut gets lighter with exposure to light and air,
and that has the look of old walnut.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
> the top and face area of the case.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>
> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
> and he may be right.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>
> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
> looks right though.
>
> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>
> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>
> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot someone
> sent me of theirs.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>
> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>
> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Scott--
It looks to me like either walnut or mahogany. I doubt that RCA would have
used mahogany though.
Jim
But the problem is going to be to match its appearance, whatever wood it is.
I'd vote for walnut, I have a nice old walnut dresser in my office here that
my dad cleaned and refinished, and its color is about halfway between walnut
and mahogany. And he didn't use any coloring on it, just varnish.
I've read somewhere that the steam kilns drive the red color out of walnut,
and give us a dingy brown, compared to air drying.
If the grain comes close, the rest will be done with the magic of lightly
tinted glazes, I'll bet.
Old Guy
"Scott Hildenbrand" <"scott[dunspamme]"@fuzzywolf.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
> the top and face area of the case.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>
> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
> and he may be right.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>
> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
> looks right though.
>
> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>
> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>
> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot someone
> sent me of theirs.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>
> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>
> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Scott--
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
> Ok.. I need to know is what kind of wood the veneer is. Specifically on
> the top and face area of the case.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/right_side_veneer_needing_repl.php
>
>
> My father in-law said that he thought it was walnut. A look at the front
> and he may be right.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/more_and_more.php
>
>
> But the woods got a red cast to it, not like walnut at all. The grain
> looks right though.
>
> So my question is, what is the veneer used? Anyone at all have a clue?
>
> And no, I don't have any places near by to take a sample to and match.
>
> For a closeup of what it should look like finished. Here's a shot
> someone sent me of theirs.
>
> http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/rca-811k-restoration/gallery/close_shot_not_my_811k.php
>
>
> Just hit the ZOOM icon for a big closeup (huge pic)..
>
> BTW, It's an RCA 811k radio I'm restoring.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Scott--
Scott,
When I ignore color and look at only the grain pattern, I see mahogany.
This is particularly true for the areas beside and below the dial. This
area is more of a straight grain and has a distinctive mahogany look.
However, the pattern is different from the top and I can't tell from the
pictures , but I am assuming that the center top and the area around the
dial are two pieces of veneer. Is this correct?
The sides and the front corners look to me like what most people would
call a figured mahogany. See this photo;
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=30ruon7
What I can't tell from your photos is the grain pattern on the two
pieces on each side of the top. Do they have a noticeable figure to them
or are they more of a straight grain? Figured mahogany will probably
be harder to find, and more expensive.
Whatever you use for those two areas, I think the grain pattern should
be as strong in contrast to the basic wood color as the pattern is on
the rest of the cabinet.
Of all the woods in the world, I think mahogany has the biggest variety
of grain patterns. You can see them all at this site;
http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/index.htm
One more thing. When you have re-veneered the cabinet and are ready to
stain, I would start with a very, very thinned stain over the entire
cabinet so you can see how the new veneer is taking the stain compared
to the rest of the cabinet. If there is a difference between the two
areas, make adjustments with weak stain where it is needed.
This will be time consuming, but necessary if you are to bring the final
cabinet color into the unified whole you want.
Good luck Scott, maybe another time I'll see you on RAR+P.
Stewart
"Old guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NQayh.259634$aJ.176679@attbi_s21...
> But the problem is going to be to match its appearance, whatever wood it
> is.
>
> I'd vote for walnut, I have a nice old walnut dresser in my office here
> that my dad cleaned and refinished, and its color is about halfway between
> walnut and mahogany. And he didn't use any coloring on it, just varnish.
>
> I've read somewhere that the steam kilns drive the red color out of
> walnut, and give us a dingy brown, compared to air drying.
Yes air dired can have a purplish cast. A mill that I buy from kiln dries
walnut because the customers like the more uniform brown that results.