In message <[email protected]>, Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> writes
>willshak wrote:
>
>| Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
>| weapons ownership?
>
>Because it does (in the last fourteen words of what you've quoted
>below.)
>
>| Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
>| read it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>| "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>| state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>| infringed".
>
>That first clause is the rationale for what follows. If you don't
>understand the motivation, a review of colonial history will
>contribute to your appreciation of the principles involved. You might
>find a review of the grievances listed in the Declaration of
>Independence illuminating. The authors of the Constitution ensured
>that citizens would be empowered to say "No!" to tyranny - both from
>outside and from within our borders.
>
>If you want to rebut by pointing out that there is no tyranny, then I
>give you my very happiest smiley. :-)
>
One of our political comedians offered three thousand pounds ( the
proceeds from an article he wrote) to anyone who killed George Bush, and
as a true patriot, you should all be leaping at the chance
--
geoff
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:35:37 +0100, John Rumm
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Neil Larson wrote:
>
>> manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
>> much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
>> nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
>> good of the navy.
>
>Last thing you need is thick seamen all over the place.... ;-)
eeewwwwww!!!!
Gunner
"nick hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
Yeah, I've got to stop wearing those necklaces and neckties when I'm running
the lathe, too. And the charm bracelet...
--
Ed Huntress
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
><[email protected]> writes
>>On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>
>>>Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Free men own guns
>>>
>>>And dead people are the result
>>
>>
>>Dead bad people for the most part.
>>
>>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>
>Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
Of course it does. Nearly as bad as crashing through your windshield
on the highway.
Or falling off a ladder
Or drowning in a swimming pool
Or bleeding to death after misusing a power tool
Or choking to death on food
Etc
So you have no issues with banning motorcars, ladders, swimming pools,
power tools and food.
Correct?
Gunner
On Sep 8, 4:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
A very predictable accident:
Elderly man has free-standing scaffolding 10 feet high. Puts ladder on
scaffolding plank and leans it on the side of a house and climbs
ladder.
The base of the ladder pushes the scaffolding sideways. Elderly man
falls on to pile of bricks on ground where he put them.
He survived OK.
On Sep 8, 12:52?am, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
my old neighbor wanted to put in a new bathroom floor, finding loose
boards he accidently rain a nail thru a water line. bringing down his
kitchen cieling:(
so he decided car repairs would be better, removed the air cleaner,
gunned the engine, metal air cleaner assembly fell into fan went thru
radiator:( new fan, radiator, and air cleaner assembly his wife
decided he shouldnt fix anything.
he actually was relieved.
Ken wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
>
Not letting the router spin down before moving it smartly into my jeans
and JUST missing my femoral artery.
Lighting bonfire with petrol, from a distance if 15 feet on a hot still
day, intending to throw the ball of lit paper at the fire from a sfae
distance.
Petrol vapour travels a long way at ground level.
My then Irish neighbour who called the fire brigade and the ambulance,
claimed that HE knew of a man who picked up a small rotary lawnmower by
the cutting deck in order to use it as a hedge trimmer.. ;-)
John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My then Irish neighbour who called the fire brigade and the ambulance,
>> claimed that HE knew of a man who picked up a small rotary lawnmower by
>> the cutting deck in order to use it as a hedge trimmer.. ;-)
>
> When I was in school in the early 80's, I had a friend who had a
> job entering consumer product lawsuits into a database that was
> to be used as part of a research project.
I remeber protyping a medical databaase with test data.
I chose random numbers.
Imagine my surprise when one of my test injuries was a 'sprain' to area
'gentials' :-)
On Sep 8, 4:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Not letting the router spin down before moving it smartly into my jeans
> and JUST missing my femoral artery.
>
>
I've got a nice crescent-moon shaped scar on my thigh from sitting on
the deck of my boat, grinding some new fiberglass work with an angle
grinder, and forgetting the "spin-down" part before setting it
down...which is not an uncommon accident among boatyard workers. I've
met several other guys with similar interesting scars.
Most of us only do it once, though! And before somebody leaps in
yakking about guards, you can't use a guard on a grinder when flat-
grinding glasswork. It's impossible.
More than a few fall off ladders in boatyards, as well. Everybody
gets confident about their ability to climb one-handed (or no-handed)
while carrying heavy tools or awkward parts. Most of the time, it
works, too...
Bob
my best friend took my advice and those of his family and added a
railing to his porch steps. he welded pipe in place then stepped back
to admire hs job, feel off the steps and broke a rib while flatening
some new porch furniture.....
he noted this was the first time anyone had fallen on their steps.....
he finished the railings a month or two later.
On 8 Sep, 05:52, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
This one really shook me up.
I was using a Paslode (gas) nail gun on some decking. I had to hold a
small piece of timber against the side of joist, in order to nail it
with the gun. I was working kneeling downwards, a bit uncomfortable,
with the gun horizontal in a bit of a confined space. Basically doing
everything wrong.
I fired the gun, and the nail went in. But in a split second the gun
recoiled, and as I was pushing it against the timber it went forward
and across slightly and the tip squashed hard against my index
finger.
This happened so quickly that I really thought I had shot through my
finger.
The pain was intense, as was that feeling of sickness in my stomach
and light headedness at the thought of having no finger.
When Iooked, my finger tip was bloody and cut but in one piece.
But it was a lesson for me to have greater respect for tools.
dg
On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
December 4th 1994, I went on my roof to string Christmas lights and
clean the gutters. The weather ws OK, no snow, but by the time I was
done it had been snowing for about 20 minutes. The ladder was against
the eve gutter, only one story, and bottomn of ladder on the
driveway. When I put my weight on the ladder, ice had built up under
the ladder feet, I went down. My fall was broken mostly by my left
hand. As I pushed myself up off the driveway, I felt a burning
sensation on palm side of my wrist. I looked down and BOTH arm bones
were protruding from the wrist and the tendons had pulled my "no
longer attached" hand up my forearm a few inches. I was rushed to
hospital and the next day underwent a 12 hour reconstructive surgery
to reattach hand, reposition the nerves so they could grow again, and
tendons. It was paralized for about 4 months before the main nerves
began to talk again, and about 8 years to stop healing fully. Today I
have 85 percent of my normal range of motion.
The worst part is that I was a jass guitarist, and a damn good one. I
began playing guitar again in 2005 after 10 years, I've learned to
hold it differently to compensate, but now there is little time for
gigging as I have a family. I'm just grateful to play again.
On Sep 8, 7:27 pm, RickH <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> > unfortunately went wrong.
>
> December 4th 1994, I went on my roof to string Christmas lights and
> clean the gutters. The weather ws OK, no snow, but by the time I was
> done it had been snowing for about 20 minutes. The ladder was against
> the eve gutter, only one story, and bottomn of ladder on the
> driveway. When I put my weight on the ladder, ice had built up under
> the ladder feet, I went down. My fall was broken mostly by my left
> hand. As I pushed myself up off the driveway, I felt a burning
> sensation on palm side of my wrist. I looked down and BOTH arm bones
> were protruding from the wrist and the tendons had pulled my "no
> longer attached" hand up my forearm a few inches. I was rushed to
> hospital and the next day underwent a 12 hour reconstructive surgery
> to reattach hand, reposition the nerves so they could grow again, and
> tendons. It was paralized for about 4 months before the main nerves
> began to talk again, and about 8 years to stop healing fully. Today I
> have 85 percent of my normal range of motion.
>
> The worst part is that I was a jass guitarist, and a damn good one. I
> began playing guitar again in 2005 after 10 years, I've learned to
> hold it differently to compensate, but now there is little time for
> gigging as I have a family. I'm just grateful to play again.
Typo, I meant jazz guitarist (not jass).
On Sep 8, 12:52 am, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
20+ years ago I was putting the railing on my deck and I used a
couple
36" flat bar clamps to hold the railing to the posts temporarily. I
attached the clamps with the bars pointing out into the yard, not
back
over the deck. I stepped back a few feet for a visual and then
walked towards to railing to adjust it. My eyes were focused on the
railing, not on the clamps, so I never saw the end of the steel bar
until it hit my safety glasses. It knocked them off and put a rather
large gash in my forehead, just above my left eye.
After I bandaged myself up and retrieved my safety glasses, I found a
deep scratch that started dead center in the left lens and extended
up
to the frame. If not for the safety glasses deflecting the bar up
into my forehead, it would have gone straight into my left eye.
I still have a scar (and the railing) to remind me how important
safety glasses are.
On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
I did some copy work for a forensic engineer that was investigating an
accident where a carpenter, who had used Liquid Nails to secure a new
sub floor, had ignited the trapped Liquid Nails vapors between the old
floor and the new decking. The entire floor blew upward, propelling
the carpenter into the ceiling, breaking his neck and killing him. He
was using a nail gun that apparently struck another nail that created
a spark.
-Mike
J. Clarke wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>>... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
> A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
duty for life :-)
Owain
On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
One cannot run a 4"X4"X1/2" piece over an 8" jointer. I have a really
thin thumb to prove it. No finger print though.
Gene
On
> > More than a few fall off ladders in boatyards, as well. Everybody
> > gets confident about their ability to climb one-handed (or no-handed)
> > while carrying heavy tools or awkward parts. Most of the time, it
> > works, too...
>
> It only needs to not-work once though>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, you got that right. Ladders scare the hell out of me,
particularly when working alone. When I was in Basic I fell off the
top of one of those backward-inclined climibing obstacles on the
"confidence course" about 20 feet into the edge of the sand pit. My
hip has never been quite the same since, but I figure I was lucky as
it was -- could have missed the pit and then would have busted
something bad for sure.
Bob
On Sep 8, 7:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Serious, sobering stuff...
>
> http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
Hmmphhh, no pictures!
MBQ
On Sep 8, 9:00 pm, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Ken
> <[email protected]> writes>What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> >accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> >it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> >unfortunately went wrong.
>
> Tosser x-posted to numerous DIY related Ngroups
>
> He accidentally fell into the north sea with his feet encased in
> concrete
>
> How we did laff ...
Don't think that's fair. It was on-topic for all the groups; he cross-
posted rather than multi-posted; admittedly, he posted to five groups,
whereas I think the recommended maximum is four.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>short...
> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...
That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?
Owain
On Sep 8, 12:52 am, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Hi,
Was up a ladder fixing a leaking gutter with that black mastic stype
stuff. Got some on the white gutter so dabbed a paper towel in Mineral
Spirits and it cleaned right up. Put the paper towel in my back jean
pocket.
A while later feels like a bee stung me in the backside. Continue
working. Later that day I discover I have this large red painful rash
on my backside. I gess I must have been paint stripping by backside
LOL.
best, Mike.
A couple come to mind. Years ago Briggs and Stratton had a wind up
starter for rotary lawn mowers. You opened the handle, wound the
spring, and flipped the handle closed to trip it. Someone picked up a
lawnmower with the spring wound up and held the mower to his chest.
When the handle was pushed, the spring was released spinning the blade
removing his fingers.
Toro had something similar.
Screw type log splitters. These were attached to the rear wheel of
your truck. A customer was telling my dad about one of these screwing
into his leg...
Junior High school, Woodshop. We were all in a distant circle as the
teacher was explaning the dangers of the table saw. He takes a small
piece of wood and drops it onto the spinning blade. It breaks in
half, hits me in the head and another kid in the neck. "See, I told
you it was dangerous!" he said. Steve Relich was his name. Nickname
was "Vise" If you could beat him at checkers you got 10 points. This
was in Mentor OH in the early 70's
Bob
On Sep 7, 10:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
A college friend was helping a guy work on his house. Guy tries to
make a cut with a skillsaw in a sheet of paneling by bracing it
against his leg. As the cut nears completion, the sheet folds and he
takes a slice out of his thigh. He decides to clean up before going to
the emergency room. Goes into shock, passes out and bleeds to death in
the shower.
Charley wrote:
> ... He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away from
> where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up over the front
> of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from falling off his back roof
> , but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from her.
Oh, that's a corker, an absolute corker!
He's lucky it was a car - if he'd been working at the local airfield it
could have been even more amusing.
Owain
The perfect machinists clothing. No sleeves, no tie, not loose, only
comes in black and made in extra large. What more can you ask for?:
http://www.allaboutdance.com/s.nl/it.A/id.8767/.f;jsessionid=0a0004471f43683f0a09fad44467b0f8bd9be43fd4e7.e3iKaNePch4Re34Pa38Ta38OaNb0?sc=2&category=28
Karl
On Sep 10, 5:10 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> >>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> >>> short...
>
> >>> --
> >>> Ed Huntress
>
> >> Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
> >> had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
> >> one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
> >> him, "What happened to you?"
> >> The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>
> >> Yikes
>
> >> 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
> >> ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>
> >> Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>
> >Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
> >doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
>
> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>
> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
>
I so wish I had a ballot.
That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express them
as impotent.
It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
I peek over the fence and worry myself sick.
A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love to
have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
respectfully,
r
On Sep 12, 9:16 pm, [email protected] (Jerome Meekings)
wrote:
> 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
I do not know you, but I assure you that killing another human being,
either takes a 'flash' decision, or a calculated one.
If I need to keep the supply lines open to my brothers in the field,
I'd take out the opposition with a .50 caliber.
Even from 2000 yards. No need to be close-up and personal.
If I need to rid the neighbourhood from a low-life who raped my ( or
anybody's) 14-year-old daughter...I'd prefer to use my bare hands. I
wouldn't want a weapon. I'd want his last view of the world to be my
smile.
Killing is either strategic, or personal.
r
On Sep 12, 11:43 pm, Ralph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?
Because then we wouldn't have the pleasure of your intelligent input.
I forgot it also prevents pregnancy.
Karl
On Sep 12, 7:13 am, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:27:31 -0000, "[email protected]"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >The perfect machinists clothing. No sleeves, no tie, not loose, only
> >comes in black and made in extra large. What more can you ask for?:
> >http://www.allaboutdance.com/s.nl/it.A/id.8767/.f;jsessionid=0a000447...
> >Karl
>
> Crom but thats soooooo gay......geeze....
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 10, 5:10 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> >> >>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> >> >>> short...
>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Ed Huntress
>
> >> >> Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
> >> >> had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
> >> >> one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
> >> >> him, "What happened to you?"
> >> >> The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>
> >> >> Yikes
>
> >> >> 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
> >> >> ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>
> >> >> Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>
> >> >Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
> >> >doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
>
> >> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
> >> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>
> >> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
> >> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
> >> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
> >> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
>
> >> --
> >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bob Eager wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>>A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
>>I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".
> And in the reverse sense (UK to US): "I'm dying for a fag"
It's certainly annoying if a neighbour knocks you up to bum a fag off you.
Owain
On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.
Dave Gordon wrote:
>>Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
>>equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
>>of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
>>with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
>>cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
>>sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.
> Yow! Couldn't they just, kinda, lift him off? Gently.
NO. That would increase the risk of serious internal bleeding. Better to
leave the bar in, reduces the bleeding from the wounds, and he can be
x-rayed with it in situ to see how far up it's gone.
Owain
They have a blade with the stop jambed in it at the local Woodcraft
store signed by an ukulele maker who got to keep all his fingers, so
I'd say it works. I'd still be just as carefull as I would with any
other table saw.
Karl
On Sep 15, 10:06 am, Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:47:40 -0400, willshak wrote:
> > on 9/10/2007 2:11 PM Ed Huntress said the following:
> >> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
> >>>> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> >>>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> >>>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> >>>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> >>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
> >>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>
> >> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>
> >> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> >> short...
>
> > My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
> > The one tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared
> > of) is the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade
> > over the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
> > The others, I'm just merely careful.
>
> Would you trust one of these?http://www.sawstop.com/
>
> Cheers!
> Rich- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Sep 8, 6:53 pm, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:47:23 UTC, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> > > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> > > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> > > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> > > unfortunately went wrong.
>
> Don't really want to feed this journalist/'researcher' but..
>
> (a not uncommon scenario)
>
> I worked in a large garage for a couple of summers. Guy fiddling around
> under dashboard of car. Wearing watch with stainless steel bracelet.
> Yes...shorted heavy 12 volt cable to car body via bracelet. Lots of
> current and heat.
>
> I wear a loose, thin stainless steel chain on one wrist. Take it off
> when working inside PCs, on cars, near batteries, etc...
Traditional "grounding strap" when working on static sensitive
MOSFETs is a steel wristwatch band connected via a 1 meg
resistor to a wire connected to a grounded pipe.
Gunner Asch wrote:
> John Rumm wrote:
>>Neil Larson wrote:
>>>manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
>>>much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
>>>nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
>>>good of the navy.
>>Last thing you need is thick seamen all over the place.... ;-)
> eeewwwwww!!!!
Sounds like he was fairly comprehensively discharged at the time of the
incident, never mind after recovery.
At least they didn't actually need the corpseman.
Owain
On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Not exactly handman accident - but witnessed campfire surrounded by
half dozen folks, do-ggooder decides to stoke fire with coleman
lantern fuel by sloshing it out of gallon can. Can catches fire - he
drops can - then decides it might explode or something crazy - he
kicks the can away from the fire - he explodes into very pretty bluish
and orange flame. Quickly he is wrapped in sleeping bag by on-lookers
once able to catch him ...still 40% burned..took ambulance 45 minutes
to get there - a horrible 45 minutes to watch anyone endure.
"JP Sipponen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ken kirjoitti:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
A guy a few blocks over was painting the outside of his house from a ladder.
The ladder fell over while he was on it and he fell into a window. In the
process he nearly completely severed both arms... Moral of that story is
don't set up your ladder on uneven ground without a means to steadily level
it.
Years ago my wife's uncle was building his home. He was using a circular saw
to cut up a piece of plywood supported on saw horses. His young son was
playing and went under the plywood... took the saw blade in the head. Cut
through skull... fortunately not deeply. Left him with relatively minor
brain damage. Moral of that story is keep the kids away from you while you
are working.
John
Owain wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> ... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
>> A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
> One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
> duty for life :-)
>
> Owain
I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
youngster. :-)
...lew...
on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
On Sep 14, 3:44 pm, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
>
> | "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> |news:[email protected]...|| SteveB wrote:
>
> ||
> ||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
> ||
> || Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
> ||
> || :-)
> |
> | Well, I guess that would be the three where this inane discussion
> | is taking place, wouldn't it?
>
> Ok, since the conversation(s) have wandered a bit afield, I'm happy to
> help you out with this subthread by prepending "[OT]" to the subject
> so you can filter more conveniently for all three of this newsgroup.
>
> HTH
>
First of all, Morris, thank you for the response to my part of thread
some way back...(You know the one, and I don't give a rat's ass if
nobody else does.. =o)
Now, about the inanity of it all (If it isn't a word, maybe it is
now?)
Sometimes I like it when a thread wanders a bit. The discussion may
not be on topic, but it can still be informative. Then again,
sometimes the beak throttles up-side pocket.... if you catch my drift.
r
In message <I0VFi.1584$Z%[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
<[email protected]> writes
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
>
>Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
>going to be a bumpy ride...
>
Isn't poking rednecks fun ...
--
geoff
raden wrote:
>
> In message <I0VFi.1584$Z%[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> <[email protected]> writes
> >>
> >> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
> >
> >Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
> >going to be a bumpy ride...
> >
> Isn't poking rednecks fun ...
Yes it is, but tell us, Redneck, is it fun for you, too?
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Gunner wrote:
>
> Its not the Iranian people...its the fuctards that run their
> government.
>
> Germans are nice folks. Stick a Shicklegrubber at the top...and all
> bets are off.
>
> Unless the Iranians get the stones to remove the clerics and that evil
> cocksucking dwarf from power...they are going to wind up like the
> Germans did in 1945.
>
> And you can take that to the bank.
It looks like its getting closer to that day:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296642,00.html
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Robatoy wrote:
| Sometimes I like it when a thread wanders a bit. The discussion may
| not be on topic, but it can still be informative. Then again,
| sometimes the beak throttles up-side pocket.... if you catch my
| drift.
Y'know, I'd just been thinking that it'd been awhile since there'd
been a good venting on the wreck...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:45:10 +0100, "tim....."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
>>>>both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>>>>
>>>>Remember to cite your sources.
>>>
>>> Of course.
>>>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>>>
>>> Note that those are total murders by all methods
>>>
>>> Now lets look at those committed with firearms
>>>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>>>
>>> Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
>>> other than firearms.
>>>
>>> So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?
>>>
>>> Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its crime
>>> rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/05/ncrime05.xml&site=5&page=0
>>
>>And other countries don't do that?
>>
>>I betya they do.
>>
>>tim
>>
>>
> When you can provide cites from major media in those countries
> themselves admitting it, please bring it forth.
Aw come on.
Everyone knows that the press exagerate (in the UK
anyway) and you want me to bring you press reports
as *proof*!
tim
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:20:38 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>>
>>>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>>>
>>>
>>> United States Code 13
>>>
>>> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>>>
>>> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
>>> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
>>> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
>>> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
>>> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
>>> National Guard.
>>> (b) The classes of the militia are-
>>> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
>>> the Naval Militia; and
>>> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
>>> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
>>> Militia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>
>>311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
>>the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National
>>Guard'.
>>I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
>>National Guard, are not members of a militia.
>>That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
>>(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
>>
>> From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
>>
>>"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
>>interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
>>difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
>>their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
>>small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
>>and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
>>muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
>>younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
>>physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
>>Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
>>first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
>>
>>Bring on more insults.
>
> http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/1st2nd5882.jpg.html
>
>
> Since you wish to make claims regarding the 18th century....
>
> I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
> few public officials."
> - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
> Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
> Militia
>
> "The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,
> ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
> - "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either
> Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).
>
> "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
> we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall
> have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
> terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American
> ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the
> federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever
> remain, in the hands of the People."
> - Tench Coxe, 1788.
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/predict2_s.jpg
> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5320-2/freedom.jpg
>
>
> Oh..btw...the 45yr age restriction is unlawful, according to Federal
> ADA laws.
>
> In practice..the age restriction is ignored. Keep in mind that in
> 1778...45 yrs of age was close to the average life expectancy, so that
> was considered close to elderly.
>
>
>
>
> Oh..something else you should read...
>
> "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things
> have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to
> make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If
> during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in
> their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door
> and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had
> nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
> of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at
> hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
> officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed
> machine would have ground to a halt."
> - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag
> Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_gulag.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_monopoly.jpg
>
>
> Since you have difficulties with written word....perhaps pictures may
> be of assistance to you...
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_order.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_racist.jpg
>
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_colors3.jpg
>
> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5329-2/defender.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_how.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_rob.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_grenades.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_irs.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg
>
> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
going to be a bumpy ride...
--
Ed Huntress
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:51:04 +0100, Colin Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Uh, what does "the number of murders by gun crime" have to do with
>> "letting the mentally ill own firearms"? Are you suggesting that
>> committing murder is prima facie evidence that one is mentally ill?
>> If not then what are you suggesting?
>
>A normal level-headed person doesn't commit murder unless they're sick
>- or perhaps to use an old phrase, criminally insane.
Not true in the least.
Gunner
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:55:55 -0700, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
>>
>
>I so wish I had a ballot.
>That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express them
>as impotent.
>It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
>
>I peek over the fence and worry myself sick.
>
>A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
>networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love to
>have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
>
>Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
>
>respectfully,
>
>r
Its not the Iranian people...its the fuctards that run their
government.
Germans are nice folks. Stick a Shicklegrubber at the top...and all
bets are off.
Unless the Iranians get the stones to remove the clerics and that evil
cocksucking dwarf from power...they are going to wind up like the
Germans did in 1945.
And you can take that to the bank.
Gunner
>>||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
> Sometimes I like it when a thread wanders a bit. The discussion may
> not be on topic, but it can still be informative. Then again,
> sometimes the beak throttles up-side pocket.... if you catch my drift.
All newsgroup discussions are off topic by the 30th post ;-)
That's also about when the mud slinging and flaming takes
over and there are only a few posters left.
Sortta like being in a bar ;-)
But still much better than the spam bots and the idiots that
think cancel message is actually enabled on a public
newsgroup server.
-larry / dallas
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:20:38 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:
>on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>
>>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>>
>>
>> United States Code 13
>>
>> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>>
>> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
>> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
>> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
>> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
>> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
>> National Guard.
>> (b) The classes of the militia are
>> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
>> the Naval Militia; and
>> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
>> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
>> Militia.
>>
>>
>> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>
>311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
>the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National Guard'.
>I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
>National Guard, are not members of a militia.
>That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
>(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
>
> From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
>
>"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
>interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
>difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
>their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
>small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
>and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
>muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
>younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
>physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
>Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
>first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
>
>Bring on more insults.
http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/1st2nd5882.jpg.html
Since you wish to make claims regarding the 18th century....
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
few public officials."
George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
Militia
"The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,
... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
"Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either
Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall
have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American
... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the
federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever
remain, in the hands of the People."
Tench Coxe, 1788.
http://www.a-human-right.com/predict2_s.jpg
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5320-2/freedom.jpg
Oh..btw...the 45yr age restriction is unlawful, according to Federal
ADA laws.
In practice..the age restriction is ignored. Keep in mind that in
1778...45 yrs of age was close to the average life expectancy, so that
was considered close to elderly.
Oh..something else you should read...
"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things
have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to
make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If
during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in
their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door
and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had
nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at
hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed
machine would have ground to a halt."
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag
Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_gulag.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_monopoly.jpg
Since you have difficulties with written word....perhaps pictures may
be of assistance to you...
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_order.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_racist.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_colors3.jpg
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5329-2/defender.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_how.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_rob.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_grenades.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_irs.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:45:10 +0100, "tim....."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>>>> either.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
>>>both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>>>
>>>Remember to cite your sources.
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>>
>> Note that those are total murders by all methods
>>
>> Now lets look at those committed with firearms
>>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>>
>> Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
>> other than firearms.
>>
>> So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?
>>
>> Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its crime
>> rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/05/ncrime05.xml&site=5&page=0
>
>And other countries don't do that?
>
>I betya they do.
>
>tim
>
>
When you can provide cites from major media in those countries
themselves admitting it, please bring it forth.
Gunner
on 9/10/2007 2:11 PM Ed Huntress said the following:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>>>
>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>
> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
The one tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared
of) is the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade
over the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
The others, I'm just merely careful.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 9/10/2007 5:36 PM Owain said the following:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my
>>> hair cut
>>> short...
>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...
>
> That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
> hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?
>
> Owain
>
Mine are cordless.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Owain wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
>>> cut
>>> short...
>>
>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...
>
>
> That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
> hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?
>
> Owain
>
My uncle went to the hospital with 109 bruises and 16 contusions. What
happened, you ask? He hit a golf ball in a tile bathroom.
yuk
jo4hn
For some further clarification on "buzz cut" you can look here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_cut
"ameijers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
>>>>cut
>>>>short...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to
>>> have a handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an
>>> altercation with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair
>>> in a death grip and they could not pry her loose for several minutes.
>>> By that time, she had torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
>>>
>>> The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
>>> shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He
>>> had to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a
>>> half an inch long since.
>>>
>>> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow
>>> some hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will
>>> go with a buzz cut.
>>
>> I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of the
>> hair that can not be grabbed/held.
>>
> 'Buzz Cut' draws its name from the buzzing sound the clippers make as they
> ride along the scalp. Think electric dog clippers- basically the same
> thing. The buzz is 60hz, from the alternating line current, that is used
> to move the heads back and forth. In UK, it would be a 50hz buzz. You hear
> it right through your skull. I had buzz cuts as a kid, until I looked in
> the mirror one day around 4th or 5th grade. I had a pony tail as a
> teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The current buzz-cut fad,
> presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
>
> aem sends...
>
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> writes:
>>> You sound typical of many of the injured persons described on
>>> http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
>>> which was posted earlier in this thread.
>> OK, favourites?
>> Mine is the fishing line one near the bottom.
>
> Snap (or rather it didn't;-).
> And the kickback one which got him on the head of the penis.
You know its a bad day when you fall off a scaffold and "Carpenter fell
from a 2nd floor scaffold onto a running table saw, lost most of his hand."
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Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>> short...
>>
>> You SURE don't want to go into your shop without pants. ;-)
>
> Oh, jeez, did you have to say that? I'm not going anywhere near my lathe for
> a while now...
This is one of those occasions where the subtle difference in language
use between UK and US does rather change the implications!
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on 9/10/2007 7:57 PM aemeijers said the following:
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Lobster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Owain wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
>>>>> youngster. :-)
>>>>>
>>>> We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.
>>>>
>>> Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids
>>>
>> Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came in?
>>
>>
> You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our cereal,
> and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them. Nothing like
> wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the blood flowing....
>
> aem sends...
You had dirt to grow berries in?
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on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>
>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>> sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>> easy to style in the morning.
>>
> G'day Ed,
> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>
> regards
> John
Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was a
singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
know if that was by the Crew Cuts
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on 9/11/2007 7:36 AM John B > said the following:
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The message <[email protected]>
>>> from John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> contains these words:
>>>
>>>> While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
>>>> jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
>>>> instructors wore ties).
>>>> To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
>>>> displayed.
>>>> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring
>>>> and a
>>>> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
>>>> from a hand.
>>>> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
>>>> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
>>>
>>> That photo made a lasting impression on me as well (back in 1962 or
>>> 63).
>>> I was thinking about making a similar post myself when I found John had
>>> beaten me to it.
>>>
>>
>> Probably faked though as the tendon would only go till just after the
>> wrist where it attaches to the muscles that work the fingers.
>> About 6 inches I would estimate.
>> I always took my watch off after being told what happens if you
>> forget and reach between the battery bus bars and never have worn a
>> ring as they are naff and dangerous everywhere not just at work.
> G'day Roger,
> Could have been ?? May not have been a tendon, but that's the way I
> remember it.
> It still did the trick, even if they played around with it in the 60's
> and 70's.
> I won't let the War Office see this in case she takes your point of
> view and makes me hunt up the ring :)
>
> regards
> John
Between then and now, your recollection of the length of the tendon has
been growing longer with each telling. :-)
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Gunner wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>raden wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>> >
>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to
>>>> >defending ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the
>>>> >house, then I am all for it.
>>>> >
>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>>
>>>
>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>>state.
>>>
>>One of the more sensible laws we have
>
> True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
> either. Pity your nation is filled with such.
>
> Gunner
Seems there is a significant scandal in the UK right now regarding
ministers having cooked to books to under-report the number of, and
escalating amount of gun crimes in that safe, gun-free country.
Free men own guns, slaves don't.
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on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>
>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>
>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>>
>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>>
>>>
>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>
>
>
> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>
> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>
> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>
> Gunner
>
Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
ownership?
Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed".
How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
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Gunner wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> John
>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>
>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>
> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
"bog" being a UK slang expression for toilet ;-)
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on 9/12/2007 10:48 AM Sam E said the following:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>>> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>>
>>> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>>
>>> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>> ownership?
>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
>> it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>> infringed".
>> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>
>
> And where's the part of that which says a "well regulated militia" is
> the ONLY reason you can own a gun?
>
It is the section that gun proponents quote. If there is another section
that outlines gun ownership other than the 'militia, please cite it.
> I expect you don't know, and are just mindlessly repeating some
> nonsense you heard somewhere (from someone who doesn't know either).
>
I haven't insulted anyone over this issue. Why is it that you fell the
need to do so?
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on 9/12/2007 5:42 PM Dave said the following:
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> raden wrote:
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's
>>>>>> there was
>>>>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you septics claim to understand English ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> geoff
>>
>>
>>
>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>
> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
> ships to land and populate that land?
>
> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that
> we made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do
> not understand each other
>
> Dave
Now Dave, don't get your shorts all knotted up.
The main US language is still English. We both have idioms that the
other does not understand.
We also have a segment that is unintelligible even to us, like you and
your cockney, and that rhyming thing that no one understands.
Besides, you no longer talk like the Pilgrims either. And let's not
mention Beowulf and the Canterbury Tales.
They might as well have been written in German.
When it is important, we speak the same language.
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:17:35 +0100, John Rumm
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Gunner wrote:
>>> raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>> "bog" being a UK slang expression for toilet ;-)
>
> I seem to recall a similar shared "Whut the hell...?" between the UK
> term 'Bum Bag' = USA term 'Fanny Pack' Going either way it could be
> considered an insult if one was looking for a reason to be insulted.
My favourite (favorite!) story came from someone I knew who used to be
an instructor in the Royal Air Force. One job he quite enjoyed was when
he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
personnel into the pitfalls of our common language. His opening line was
always "Is there anyone called Randy, in the room?". He said you could
guarantee that a few hands would go up. His response of laughing out
loud and saying "you poor shits!" always seemed to raised some
indignation. He would then point out that the closest word in meaning
they would be familiar with would be "horny". He said you could see a
few faces drop as the implications sank in!
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on 9/13/2007 10:17 AM clifto said the following:
> willshak wrote:
>
>> on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>>
>>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>>>>
>>>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>>>> sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>>>> easy to style in the morning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> G'day Ed,
>>> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
>>> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>>>
>>>
>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.
>>
>
> Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
> hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
> than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.
>
>
>> Back in the 50's there was a
>> singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>> The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
>> know if that was by the Crew Cuts
>>
>
> "Sh-Boom"
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on 9/14/2007 6:52 PM clifto said the following:
> willshak wrote:
>
>> on 9/13/2007 10:17 AM clifto said the following:
>>
>>> willshak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>>>>>> sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>>>>>> easy to style in the morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> G'day Ed,
>>>>> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
>>>>> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
>>> hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
>>> than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Back in the 50's there was a
>>>> singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>> The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
>>>> know if that was by the Crew Cuts
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Sh-Boom"
>>>
>> Right!
>>
>
> Yadadadadadadadadadaaaaa
I even had the lyric wrong. It's "Life could be a dream".
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"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>
> How big would the manual have to be to tell that retard all the things he
> should not use his lawnmower for.
> "Do not cut your finger nails with this device"
> "Do not cut your hair with this device"
> "This is not an extractor fan"
>
I teach HS wood shop. While most of my kids are pretty good, some are
dumber than a bucket of rocks. A few years back (thank God it was in
another teacher's class, not mine) one boy, an emo, had long fingernails.
He thought it would be "cool" to cut a notch in his nail on his pointer
finger, right hand. Sort of like a snakes tongue. He decided to use the
big Powermatic band saw. He ended up splitting his finger right up to the
first joint. Dumb.
Last year I caught two who were doing something almost as dumb. Anothe kid
was turning a handle for a gavel out of walnut. The piece broke and he
through the parts in the scrap bucket and started over. Two of my more
"genius" kids saw the piece and thought it would make a pretty ornate hash
pipe. The waited until they thought I wasn't looking and the one was
holding the handle vertically in his hands while the other was preparing to
bore through it with the drill press. Fortunately I caught them before they
turned on the DP.
If you ever work in a HS shop, believe me, you will soon learn the meaning
of stupid!
Glen
on 9/15/2007 5:17 PM Rich Grise said the following:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> willshak wrote:
>>
>>> You had dirt to grow berries in?
>>>
>> i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
>> lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
>> it that way.
>>
>
> Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes! ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Rich
>
>
You had a belly button?
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on 9/16/2007 3:31 PM Gunner Asch said the following:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:02:36 GMT, Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:37:34 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> ameijers wrote:
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>>> pony tail as a teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The
>>>> current buzz-cut fad, presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
>>>>
>>> Doubt that it really has anything to do with war.
>>>
>> It has _everything_ to do with war. Militaries have regulated hair length
>> and beard length (or even a mandatory clean shave) for centuries, because
>> even the Phoenicians knew what a convenient hand-hold either one is.
>>
>
> Also to prevent major lice infestations.
>
>> I saw a guy in the NFL get pulled down by his hair, and it wasn't a foul,
>> because the defender hadn't grabbed his face mask, horse-collared him, or
>> clotheslined him, but pulled him down by his own body part, as if he'd had
>> his arm or something. It was the guy's hair, but the NFL ruled that if
>> he's stupid enough to leave it dangle out of his hat like that, that it's
>> fair game.
>>
>> I wear my hair long, but I go to great lengths (pun unintended, but noted)
>> to avoid altercations with drunks. :-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Rich
>>
>
> Cops used to wear uniform shirts with those nifty epaulets on the
> shoulders. Great hand holds for the bad guys.
>
> I cut mine loose and put velcro on the shirt and epaulets. First bad
> ass to grab one as he had so many before, stood there staring at it
> with a surprised and stupid look on his face, long enough for me to
> chop him down like an oak with my baton.
>
> Gunner
How times have changed. When I started, I wore a Sam Browne belt with
the leather shoulder strap over a dress blouse. It wasn't until the 70's
when the strap became a hazard, and we became pigs, that it was removed.
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Neil Larson wrote:
> manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
> much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
> nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
> good of the navy.
Last thing you need is thick seamen all over the place.... ;-)
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:34:12 -0500, "Neil Larson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>About 20 years ago, when I was in the US Navy, I was stationed on a LSD
>(Landing Ship Dock). We had a yound machinest that had a string of stupid
>mistake, and one too many.
>
>- He was trying to cut a wrag in half by pulling the knife towards him,
>knife went thru the rag and slipped into and through his right nostril. Nice
>fillet job.
>
>- Next, he used the same knife to attempt tochang a fuze to the power source
>for a piece of machinery he was trying to operate. He used it to pry out the
>440V 20A fuze and welded the knife and the fuze panel together.
>
>- Final and best was when he needed to drill a small hole in a short board.
>He didn't have a vise in the part of the shop he was in so he put the board
>on his lap. He was sitting on one of those old military cloth covered
>stools. He put his weight on the 1/2 " drive drill, and the bit went thru
>the board, his pants, his underwear, his scrotum, back out thru all of them
>then into the bottom of the stool. As any of you that have tried to drill
>thru cloth know, it likes to twist up on the bit. The Chief corpsman and I
>were walking by and heard him scream. After he analyzed the problem. the
>Chief corpsman gave me the choice, hold the mans scrotum in place or
>manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
>much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
>nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
>good of the navy.
>
"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by
legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being
stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the
sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out
automatically and without pity".
Robert A. Heinlein,
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:47:23 UTC, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> > unfortunately went wrong.
Don't really want to feed this journalist/'researcher' but..
(a not uncommon scenario)
I worked in a large garage for a couple of summers. Guy fiddling around
under dashboard of car. Wearing watch with stainless steel bracelet.
Yes...shorted heavy 12 volt cable to car body via bracelet. Lots of
current and heat.
I wear a loose, thin stainless steel chain on one wrist. Take it off
when working inside PCs, on cars, near batteries, etc...
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:15:14 UTC, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "John Rumm" wrote in message
>
> > he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
> > personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.
>
> A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
> I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".
And in the reverse sense (UK to US): "I'm dying for a fag"
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:20:52 UTC, Ferd Farkel <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sep 8, 6:53 pm, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:47:23 UTC, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> > > > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> > > > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> > > > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> > > > unfortunately went wrong.
> >
> > Don't really want to feed this journalist/'researcher' but..
> >
> > (a not uncommon scenario)
> >
> > I worked in a large garage for a couple of summers. Guy fiddling around
> > under dashboard of car. Wearing watch with stainless steel bracelet.
> > Yes...shorted heavy 12 volt cable to car body via bracelet. Lots of
> > current and heat.
> >
> > I wear a loose, thin stainless steel chain on one wrist. Take it off
> > when working inside PCs, on cars, near batteries, etc...
>
> Traditional "grounding strap" when working on static sensitive
> MOSFETs is a steel wristwatch band connected via a 1 meg
> resistor to a wire connected to a grounded pipe.
Pretty stupid idea unless the outside of the band is insulated, though.
Proper earthing straps are cheap.
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 04:52:53 UTC, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Let's guess...you're researching for another of these dumbed-down,
sensationalist TV programmes?
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:50:03 UTC, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
> Generally when working with static sensitive electronics your power is
> also limited toless than an amp. Generally you would blow the
> protection fuse before heating the bracelet up enough to do any
> damage.
That would include the 30A 5 volt supply, then.
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"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> writes:
> aemeijers wrote:
> | "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> | news:[email protected]...
> || Lobster wrote:
> ||
> ||| Owain wrote:
> |||
> |||| Lew Hartswick wrote:
> ||||
> ||||| I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
> ||||| youngster. :-)
> ||||
> |||| We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.
> |||
> ||| Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids
> ||
> || Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came
> || in?
> ||
> | You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our
> | cereal, and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them.
> | Nothing like wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the
> | blood flowing....
>
> ...and when the berries and paper bags had all been eaten, we boiled
> the dishrag to make broth and added icebox scrapings for our soup...
Dishrag? Icebox?
Rich Grise <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Uh, yeah, like, not fall off the scaffold in the first place? Acrophobia
> can be pretty handy sometimes. ;-)
>
> ("Yeah, you get me a cherry picker, and I'll go up there again. Oh, and
> let me double-check my harness...") ;-)
That's not acrophobia. Acrophobia is, "no." Trust me on this one.
nick hull <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
But what about the ones that were on your right hand?
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> writes:
> SteveB wrote:
>
> | You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
>
> Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
I think his point is valid for any of them.
Ken <[email protected]> writes:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
My dad always took the attitude that if you were careful, there was
really no need for things like blade guards on table saws, or using
pushers to feed the wood into the saw. Then he got distracted one day
while cutting some thin (maybe 1"?) strips for planter boxes, and the
saw hit a knot.
My first thought as he came up the stairs was that he was teasing me
with a red plastic snake. Then I saw that it was blood all over his
hand.
If you ever end up getting a finger (right index finger, in this
case -- and dad was right-handed, and he was an accountant, and this
was right before tax season) amputated, *don't* let the doctors
convince you that it'll be less noticeable if they go ahead and take
the knuckle along with it. They're right, but you really do want as
much of the hand as possible for stability.
John Rumm <[email protected]> writes:
> You know its a bad day when you fall off a scaffold and "Carpenter
> fell from a 2nd floor scaffold onto a running table saw, lost most of
> his hand."
If I fell from a second floor scaffold onto a running table saw and
the news said "lost most of his hand", I'd consider myself to have
gotten off very lucky.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
<snip>
This is simply another red herring for a yet another "gun grab."
The idea of armed and trained citizens united in well-regulated
and organized local militia units strikes terror in the hearts of
politicians and political functionaries everywhere.
In many states this is specifically prohibited unless they are
under the control of the political authorities as is our
so-called national guard.
As in most things, if the politicians and bureaucrats are against
it, it is the best thing for the people.
FWIW -- as soon as it became obvious that using national guard
troops to augment the border patrol / ICE was having very
positive effects on reducing illegal immigration, they were
removed from such duty. Why are national guard units on border
security duty a good thing in Iraq but a bad thing in Texas, New
Mexico, Arizona and California?
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
============
Merchants have no country.
The mere spot they stand on
does not constitute so strong an attachment
as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826),
U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814.
J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
> which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
> murder.
The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
1) the nutters can get them more easily.
2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
mistake much too often.
4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is that
with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the person you
injure/kill.
But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be easily
identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for their
use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could prove
that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable responsible
person.
Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where the
law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
However if it could be achieved the level of gun related crime/accidents
would drop at an amazing rate.
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[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> They have a blade with the stop jambed in it at the local Woodcraft
> store signed by an ukulele maker who got to keep all his fingers,
Jings that's a shame. I'm as devastated as the day that I heard the
local accordion factory had been saved from a fire.
Fri, Sep 7, 2007, 9:52pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (Ken) doth ask,
for some unexplained reason:
<snip> please elaborate on what unfortunately went wrong.
Friend of family; nicked thigh bone; advanced case of stupidity.
Another friend of family; lost three fingers; also advanced case of
stupidity.
You want elaborate, you provide an acceptable e=D7planation of
'why' you want to know.
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What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
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SteveB wrote:
> "Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>SteveB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it
>>>>>>>is generating more interest
>>>>>>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the
>>>>>>>First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your own rights
>>>>>>>rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>People screeching in this newsgroup on OT subjects have the credibility
>>>of anyone screeching from atop a step ladder on the corner in a major
>>>city.
>>>
>>
>>Perhaps so, but so what? As you point out, some posters consider much of
>>what is said idiotic. It does no need to cry about it, and those who do
>>any way are well on the road to becoming anal retentive.
>>Usenet is a forum for people to speak out. If they are speaking out on an
>>off-topic subject and you want to stay on-topic, just mark the whole
>>thread as "read" and get on with your life.
>
>
> NO, NO, NO. I killfile the idiots first. Most never have anything to say
> about the group they are responding to anyway. When I killfile some of
> these people, my list of posts sometimes lessen by 20%. They must need to
> get a life to get on with.
>
> Steve
>
When you skip an OT thread, you've saved yourself from having to see it. When
you killfile a poster, though, you not only eliminate the OT stuff, you also
prevent yourself from seeing any good on-topic stuff from his as well. As long
as you are OK with that, by all means killfile away.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>ownership?
It doesn't. It guarantees the Right to own a weapon. If you choose not
to exercise that right...you don't have to.
>Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
>it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>infringed".
>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
You seem to have missed that tiny little "comma" between the first and
second clauses in the verbiage as well as the third clause.
Is there some reason for your reading comprehension issues? Some form
of autism perhaps?
Gunner
>
>
The message <[email protected]>
from John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> contains these words:
> While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
> jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
> instructors wore ties).
> To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
> displayed.
> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
> from a hand.
> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
That photo made a lasting impression on me as well (back in 1962 or 63).
I was thinking about making a similar post myself when I found John had
beaten me to it.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:21:23 GMT, "ameijers" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
><clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>
>(((snip)
>> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
>> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>>
>> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
>> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
>> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
>> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
>>
>Well, being in high school, he probably hadn't reproduced yet. So this
>counts as interfering with natural selection?
>
>aem sends...
>
At 15 he had fathered at least 3. This is an "inner city" school. Stud
muffin.
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Ed Huntress wrote:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>>ownership?
>>Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read it,
>>completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>infringed".
>>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>
>
> It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
> It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
> Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of the
> clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be a
> dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
> necessary condition.
>
> Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it wouldn't
> be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally ambiguous.
> The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the anti-federalists to
> calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Gunner does identify the source of the idea of our 2nd Amendment as a
> "right," however, which is English common law.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
Ed;
The Founding Fathers may have been unnecessarily ambigous in the
phrasing of the Second Amendment but the Resolution of Congress that
became the 2ND Amendment upon ratification by the states was NUMBER ONE
on the list of Resolutions passed by Congress and sent to the states.
Dave
Everyone I know always pokes fun at me for my attention to detail and
safety. Stupid accidents will never happen to me.
That is until one night when I had a rush job, doing something I had done a
hundered times. I was too tired to be out in my shop and was too stressed
from a rough day at work. I was doing repetitive cuts on a project and I ran
my left hand over my table saw blade.
As I said I was too tired, I failed to reset the blade height and for the
first time that I can remember, I did not use a push stick.
I cut my middle finger just where it attached to my hand, severed my index
finger and my thumb right at the knuckle.
It was about a thirty minute ride to the emergency room, with my finger in a
bag of ice, and then another fourty five minute ambulance ride to St. Lukes
Hospital in Houston.
The finger and thumb were reattached and are mostly useable. They do serve
as constant reminders to never take any tools for granted.
Oh by the way, I do still jump a little when I hear my table saw start.
dg wrote:
> On 8 Sep, 05:52, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>unfortunately went wrong.
>
>
> This one really shook me up.
>
> I was using a Paslode (gas) nail gun on some decking. I had to hold a
> small piece of timber against the side of joist, in order to nail it
> with the gun. I was working kneeling downwards, a bit uncomfortable,
> with the gun horizontal in a bit of a confined space. Basically doing
> everything wrong.
>
> I fired the gun, and the nail went in. But in a split second the gun
> recoiled, and as I was pushing it against the timber it went forward
> and across slightly and the tip squashed hard against my index
> finger.
>
> This happened so quickly that I really thought I had shot through my
> finger.
>
> The pain was intense, as was that feeling of sickness in my stomach
> and light headedness at the thought of having no finger.
>
> When Iooked, my finger tip was bloody and cut but in one piece.
>
> But it was a lesson for me to have greater respect for tools.
>
> dg
>
I shot a staple through my finger once. That was bad enough. I think
I know the feeling you describe.
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Gunner wrote:
>
> Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
> staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
> unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it on
> ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
> it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed to
> reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
> debride the dead tissue.
>
> Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
> away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.
Isn't it amazing how well those maggots work? Nothing in "modern"
medicine that can match them.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Lobster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Distant cousin of SWMBO was found dead in his workshop a couple of years
> > ago, and police originally treated it as suspicious. However, it emerged
> > that he'd disabled a safety feature on his industrial-grade circular saw -
> > I don't know the details but I think he somehow got impaled on a length of
> > wood he was cutting and bled to death before being able to summon help.
>
> That bring sup another point. My workshop is in a detached garage. I
> usually work by myself, but I always take either the portable phone or my
> cell phone.
My shop is detached, but that doesn't make any difference since I'm
single. I pretty much always have my cell phone with me, but since I'm
always working alone, I pay that much more attention to safety details.
I still never use the silly guard on my table saw, but I always wear
safety glasses, stand to the side out of the path of any kickback, and
use a pusher stick.
Owain wrote:
>
> J. Clarke wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >>... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
> > A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
>
> One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
> duty for life :-)
>
> Owain
Making one pot of coffee with a little detegent in it excuses you of
having to EVER make coffee again. Have you ever seen a regular cup of
coffee with an inch of foam on the top? ;-)
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Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> >>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> >>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> >>> unfortunately went wrong.
> >
> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>
> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
You SURE don't want to go into your shop without pants. ;-)
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jo4hn wrote:
>
> Owain wrote:
> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> >
> >> "Ed Huntress" wrote
> >>
> >>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
> >>> cut
> >>> short...
> >>
> >> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...
> >
> >
> > That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
> > hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?
> >
> > Owain
> >
> My uncle went to the hospital with 109 bruises and 16 contusions. What
> happened, you ask? He hit a golf ball in a tile bathroom.
Then your aunt beat him with his golf clubs for breaking the mirror,
window and glass shower doors.
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Dave wrote:
>
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> > "Ed Huntress" wrote
> >
> >
> >>I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> >>short...
> >>
> >
> > Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have a
> > handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an altercation
> > with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair in a death grip
> > and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By that time, she had
> > torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
> >
> > The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
> > shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
> > to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half an
> > inch long since.
> >
> > He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
> > hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with a
> > buzz cut.
>
> I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of the
> hair that can not be grabbed/held.
>
> Most police officers in the UK have the same short cut, for the same
> reasons.
AKA a 'burr' haircut like you get when you enter basic training or
boot camp. About 1/8" long.
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willshak wrote:
>
> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
> The one tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared
> of) is the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade
> over the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
> The others, I'm just merely careful.
You are not supposed to that the 'arm saw' part literally.
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>,
> nick hull <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >Free men own guns
>
> And dead people are the result
Only if you're a good shot.
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
> <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
> >then I am all for it.
> >
> Do you understand nurfink?
I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
state.
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Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >
> >> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> >> short...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ed Huntress
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
> > had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
> > one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
> > him, "What happened to you?"
> > The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
> >
> > Yikes
> >
> > 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
> > ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
> >
> > Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>
> Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
> doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
They were smart enough to keep short hair back then, when common
sense, was still common.
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Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> Now, what if I am the caffeine junkie and nobody else at the shop is in
> a mood for coffee and the pot is empty? Looks like I gotta brew it then!
> (or guzle some Mountain Dew.)
I had worked doubles, seven days a week for over six months when my
idiot boss decided that I should make the first pot of coffee, along
with everything else I had to do. I told him I didn't drink coffee, and
didn't know how to make it. He grunted, "You'll make it, or you're
fired.". The next morning I decided the pot wasn't clean enough, and
scrubbed it till it shined. I smeared a fingertip full of Dawn inside
the pot, then filled the Mr. Coffee. He came in bleary eyed about 20
minutes later. He didn't even look at the pot. He just filled his cup
and was about to swallow when his eyes went wide and he spit it all over
the kitchenette. He dumped it out, followed by the rest of the pot. I
just smiled and said, "I told you that I didn't know how to make
coffee. Do you want me to try to make another pot?" He turned bright
red and started yelling, "Don't you EVER touch the coffee maker again!"
:)
I preferred Mt. Dew, anyway. ;-)
> Meanwhile, decades ago at a much younger age, I did put Joy (or
> the like) regular dish detergent in a dishwasher. This was one of those
> dishwashers with a dual hose that went to a fitting that fits onto a
> kitchen sink faucet. This generated a few cubic yards of foam at a rate
> 2-3 orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which such foam can go
> down the drain, IIRC.
> Thankfully, the back door was at the kitchen and we had brooms. I don't
> remember whether or not the snow shovel was used.
>
> - Don Klipstein ([email protected])
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
> >
> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
> >
> >>
> >>Free men own guns
> >
> >And dead people are the result
>
> Dead bad people for the most part.
>
> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>
> Gunner
He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:42:02 -0400, Kurt Ullman <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second
>> Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies
>> I
>> EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And
>> read
>> my first post above again.
>
>Amendment II
>
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>infringed.
Yes, and where is the limiting parts?
Gunner
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:00:57 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> >
>>> > "700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
>>>
>>> You're crude. d8-)
>>
>>
>> You should hear me tell off telemarketers. ;-)
>>
>> I had one Heating A/C company call me 35 times in one week, insisting
>> that I needed their annual inspection service on a central air system.
>> (I didn't even have a window unit.) This was before the do not call
>> list.
>>
>> The last time they called I told them that I had hundreds of retired
>> friends in town, and if they called me one more time that these people
>> would take turns tying up all of the company's phone lines with stupid
>> questions, and calling to have the company send their sales people out
>> to give estimates, with no intention of spending a dime and promised her
>> that it would be damn near impossible for a legitimate customer to get
>> through on their phone lines. She yelled, "That's harassment!" I
>> laughed and told her, 'Now you know how I feel.'
>>
>> They never called back. Was it something I said?
>
>That's fun, but it takes a lot of time. I just say, "Excuse me a minute,
>I'll be right back." Then I put down the phone and read a book or something.
>Five minutes later I just hang up the phone.
>
>I was having fun with the young ladies from the NRA the other night, though.
>I just couldn't say no in the end. d8-)
I had one collection agency caller (10 calls between 7 AM and 7:45 AM)
taken off the case and calls stopped because of the harassment they
got when they called my number.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
"J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> Doubt that it really has anything to do with war. Circle goes
> around--when I was a little kid buzz cuts and crew cuts were popular.
> When I was a bit older styles got longer (I remember when the Beatles,
> as they appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, had scandalously long hair)
> and longer and longer and then shorter and shorter and shorter and now
> we're back to buzz cuts. In another 30 years or so it will be long
> again.
If you still have any hair. ;-)
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
> <[email protected]> writes
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>>> John
> >>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
> >>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
> >>
> >>
> >>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>geoff
> >
> >
> >why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
> >
> And you septics claim to understand English ?
>
> --
> geoff
We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:20:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> >> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
> >> >
> >> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Free men own guns
> >> >
> >> >And dead people are the result
> >>
> >> Dead bad people for the most part.
> >>
> >> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >
> >
> > He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>
> I wonder what his response will be if we bring up doctors, motor
> vehicles, food and power tools, not to mention ladders....brrrrrrrrr!
>
> Gunner
And distract him from the 24/7/365.25 Monty Python marathon on his
TV? Do you think he'd even notice?
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> >> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
> >> >
> >> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Free men own guns
> >> >
> >> >And dead people are the result
> >>
> >> Dead bad people for the most part.
> >>
> >> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >
> >
> > He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
> >
> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
God, are you dense. You don't DESREVE one, either. You let women
rule your country and they have done a wonderful job turning you into
one, too.
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
> ><[email protected]> writes
> >>Gunner wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> >>> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
> >>> >
> >>> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Free men own guns
> >>> >
> >>> >And dead people are the result
> >>>
> >>> Dead bad people for the most part.
> >>>
> >>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>> Gunner
> >>
> >>
> >> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
> >>
> >We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>
> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>
> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>
> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
Why should it? It matches his purse and his heels.
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raden wrote:
>
> One of our political comedians offered three thousand pounds ( the
> proceeds from an article he wrote) to anyone who killed George Bush, and
> as a true patriot, you should all be leaping at the chance
Why? Now of it was for anyone your sorry government thousands would
jump at it, even though most don't beleive in 'Mercy killing'. OTOH, it
is a nation of Queens, ruled by a bigger queen.
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
> ><[email protected]> writes
> >>On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> >>>>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
> >>>
> >>>Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Free men own guns
> >>>
> >>>And dead people are the result
> >>
> >>
> >>Dead bad people for the most part.
> >>
> >>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
> >>
> >Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
>
> Of course it does. Nearly as bad as crashing through your windshield
> on the highway.
>
> Or falling off a ladder
>
> Or drowning in a swimming pool
>
> Or bleeding to death after misusing a power tool
>
> Or choking to death on food
>
> Etc
>
> So you have no issues with banning motorcars, ladders, swimming pools,
> power tools and food.
>
> Correct?
>
> Gunner
I keep waiting and hoping they will ban idiots and cowards. That
should reduce the world's population by at least 90%. Of course, they
would have to figure out what to do with all the crap left behind. :(
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
> >>>Dead bad people for the most part.
> >>>
> >>>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
> >>>
> >>Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
> >
> >
> >Of course it does. Nearly as bad as crashing through your windshield
> >on the highway.
>
> Done that at 80 mph
>
> >
> >Or falling off a ladder
>
> That's for silly people
> >
> >Or drowning in a swimming pool
> >
> >Or bleeding to death after misusing a power tool
>
> You'll like this ...
>
> very gory - failed suicide bomber ...
>
> <http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1181884353/Disgusting_Results_of_a_Failed_
> Suicide_Bomber>
>
> >
> >Or choking to death on food
>
> Pretzel ? we wish
> >
> >Etc
> >
> >So you have no issues with banning motorcars, ladders, swimming pools,
> >power tools and food.
> >
> >Correct?
>
> No, these are all things designed for things other than killing people
>
> Sport aside, guns are there to kill
That's funny, some of mine drive staples, others solder. You don't
know the difference between 'Gun' and 'Weapon'. Typical 'britidiot'.
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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Yikes. Over this past weekend some guy was killed when his
> shirt became entangled with a stump grinder being operated by
> some tree company. No word on why the homeowner was
> hanging around so close to the activity that he could get his
> shirt caught.
>
> nancy
Yet no one demands they outlaw shirts. Its sad, really.
Of course, if they outlaw shirts, only outlaws will own shirts.
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Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > You SURE don't want to go into your shop without pants. ;-)
>
> Oh, jeez, did you have to say that? I'm not going anywhere near my lathe for
> a while now...
What can I say? My sense of humor has a hair trigger.
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willshak wrote:
>
> You had dirt to grow berries in?
i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
it that way.
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Charley wrote:
>
> Before my retirement from firefighting and rescue, about 30 years ago, I
> once responded directly to the scene to a dispatch call for "A Man Down".
> This means that someone has been reported hurt or requested an ambulance,
> but the dispatcher couldn't get any further information from the caller
> other than the location. When I pulled up to the scene I found that I was
> the first emergency help to arrive and observed a small crowd that had
> gathered around a guy who was lying in the street. As I approached, the
> crowd parted and let me go to work on the guy. He was really tore up. I
> quickly discovered that the only part of him that seemed to be still working
> OK was his mouth. All while I was working on him he kept cussing out a woman
> in the crowd, ( I found out later that she was his wife) and she kept
> apologizing and crying. I had to stop working on him several times to get
> him to calm down and lay still so I could bandage him and I was very glad
> when some additional squad members showed up to help me.
>
> While we were working to get his wounds patched and his leg and arm
> splinted, I discovered that there was a large rope tied around his waist
> that led out through the crowd to a car that was parked about 200' down the
> road. After the ambulance arrived and we had cut him loose from the rope,
> loaded him on the stretcher, and sent him off to the hospital, I managed to
> find out what had happened to him from some of his neighbors and from an
> investigation of his home and property.
>
> He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away from
> where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up over the front
> of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from falling off his back roof
> , but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from her. She
> decided to go shopping and went out, got in the car, and drove off. As she
> drove away the rope pulled him up over the peak of his house at such
> velocity that he didn't land until he reached some very large bushes near
> the end of his driveway. She then dragged him out through the bushes and
> down the street for almost 2 blocks before noticing that he was behind her.
> (Yes, she was a blonde...if that counts.) As best as we could tell he had 1
> broken leg and 1 broken arm, 3 or 4 broken ribs, a concussion, and some very
> severe road rash over his back, one side of his face, both legs and both
> arms. I heard later that he spent 2 days in the hospital, but I never heard
> any more about him.
>
> In my opinion it was his own fault for not telling his wife where he was
> working and for not taking her car keys away from her, but at the time of
> his accident he was very upset with her and blaming her for all of it. I
> have often wondered if they are still married.
>
> Let this be a lesson to all of you - If you have to use a rope to do your
> high maintenance repairs, make sure you tie it to something that isn't going
> to drive away.
Are you SURE she didn't see the rope?
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Bob Eager wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:15:14 UTC, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "John Rumm" wrote in message
> >
> > > he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
> > > personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.
> >
> > A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
> > I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".
>
> And in the reverse sense (UK to US): "I'm dying for a fag"
Thats where AIDS came from.
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Dave wrote:
> >
> >
> > We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>
> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
> ships to land and populate that land?
'British' = your slang.
> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
> made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
> understand each other
>
> Dave
Look at what the British have done to it in the last 250 years. Talk
about bastardizing! You're your own worst ennemy.
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Jerome Meekings wrote:
>
> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
> > which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
> > murder.
>
> The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
> 1) the nutters can get them more easily.
> 2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
> 3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
> mistake much too often.
> 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
>
> And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is that
> with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the person you
> injure/kill.
>
> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be easily
> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for their
> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could prove
> that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable responsible
> person.
> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where the
> law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related crime/accidents
> would drop at an amazing rate.
if you don't like it that Americans own handguns, start knocing on
doors and tell the homeowner to surrender all waepons. You might as
well start here in Florida, becasue there are plenty of hungry 'gators
who don't mind a little lead in their food.
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
> <[email protected]> writes
> >> >
> >> > He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
> >> >
> >> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
> >
> >
> > God, are you dense. You don't DESREVE one, either. You let women
> >rule your country
> >
> Better than the retard that runs yours
>
> OK rednecks, I'm bored with you now
You were boring from the moment you stuck your snout into RCM.
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raden wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>,
> nick hull <[email protected]> writes
> >In article <[email protected]>, raden <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Sport aside, guns are there to kill
> >
> >Funny thing, disregarding sports and target practice, most of my ammo
> >expended was for other purposes than killing. Probably have used a gun
> >as a drill more often than to kill something ;)
> >
> Right tool for the right job, eh ?
You're a 'tool' alright.
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Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> nick hull wrote:
>
> | Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF
> | THE ABOVE ;)
>
> I can't resist asking...
>
> How much have you actually done to get the qualified candidate of your
> choice onto the ballot?
Or worked to get a crooked politician out of office? (It was easy
after the lawsuit.)
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Just Wondering wrote:
>
> Dave Gordon wrote:
> > "Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is generating more interest
> >>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't
> >>like it? Then exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this
> >>thread.
> >>
> >>
> >>William Noble wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT subject degenerates into a
> >>>pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have something better with which to occupy your synapses?
> >>>"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment is
> >>>>an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
> >>>>militia.
> >>>
> > Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".
> >
>
> Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second
> Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies I
> EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And read
> my first post above again.
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES:
<http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_documents&docid=f:sd011.105.pdf>
The Bill of Rights:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/billofrights.html
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Dave Gordon wrote:
>
> "nick hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
> >
> > Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF THE
> > ABOVE ;)
>
> Nice protest, but what if it was? What if that choice got the most votes?
An empty office can't pass bad bills, so what's your problem?
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Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> SteveB wrote:
> | "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> | news:[email protected]...
> || SteveB wrote:
> ||
> ||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
> ||
> || Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
> ||
> || :-)
> |
> | Well, I guess that would be the three where this inane discussion
> | is taking place, wouldn't it?
>
> Ok, since the conversation(s) have wandered a bit afield, I'm happy to
> help you out with this subthread by prepending "[OT]" to the subject
> so you can filter more conveniently for all three of this newsgroup.
OT isn't allowed on RCM. Our resident net Nazi gets upset about OT
posts.
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willshak wrote:
>
> on 9/15/2007 5:17 PM Rich Grise said the following:
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> >> willshak wrote:
> >>
> >>> You had dirt to grow berries in?
> >>>
> >> i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
> >> lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
> >> it that way.
> >>
> >
> > Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes! ;-)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Rich
> >
> >
>
> You had a belly button?
He did, till he tried to grow a wacky weed in it.
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Neil Larson wrote:
>
> About 20 years ago, when I was in the US Navy, I was stationed on a LSD
> (Landing Ship Dock). We had a yound machinest that had a string of stupid
> mistake, and one too many.
>
> - He was trying to cut a wrag in half by pulling the knife towards him,
> knife went thru the rag and slipped into and through his right nostril. Nice
> fillet job.
>
> - Next, he used the same knife to attempt tochang a fuze to the power source
> for a piece of machinery he was trying to operate. He used it to pry out the
> 440V 20A fuze and welded the knife and the fuze panel together.
>
> - Final and best was when he needed to drill a small hole in a short board.
> He didn't have a vise in the part of the shop he was in so he put the board
> on his lap. He was sitting on one of those old military cloth covered
> stools. He put his weight on the 1/2 " drive drill, and the bit went thru
> the board, his pants, his underwear, his scrotum, back out thru all of them
> then into the bottom of the stool. As any of you that have tried to drill
> thru cloth know, it likes to twist up on the bit. The Chief corpsman and I
> were walking by and heard him scream. After he analyzed the problem. the
> Chief corpsman gave me the choice, hold the mans scrotum in place or
> manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
> much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
> nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
> good of the navy.
In his case, it sounds like a 'Self Lobotomy', because he certainly
didn't have any brains in his other head.
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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sep 8, 4:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Not letting the router spin down before moving it smartly into my jeans
>> and JUST missing my femoral artery.
>>
>>
> I've got a nice crescent-moon shaped scar on my thigh from sitting on
> the deck of my boat, grinding some new fiberglass work with an angle
> grinder, and forgetting the "spin-down" part before setting it
> down...which is not an uncommon accident among boatyard workers. I've
> met several other guys with similar interesting scars.
>
> Most of us only do it once, though! And before somebody leaps in
> yakking about guards, you can't use a guard on a grinder when flat-
> grinding glasswork. It's impossible.
>
> More than a few fall off ladders in boatyards, as well. Everybody
> gets confident about their ability to climb one-handed (or no-handed)
> while carrying heavy tools or awkward parts. Most of the time, it
> works, too...
It only needs to not-work once though.
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Wearing school uniform in the UK equivalent of Workshop 101. Got my tie wrapped round the lathe, and
it was too short for me to reach the kill switch.
After that we could take our ties off in the workshop.
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>
> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>>
>> Wearing school uniform in the UK equivalent of Workshop 101. Got my tie wrapped round the lathe,
>> and it was too short for me to reach the kill switch.
>> After that we could take our ties off in the workshop.
>
> In recent years it would be mandatory to remove a tie. Makes you wonder what they were thinking. Or
> they were not thinking.
>
It was the 1960s. The Elf n Safety Nazis didn't exist then, and the UK wasn't litigation-crazy like
now.
In the flaming roof department. There is an ammusement park not far from me,
that lost the hundred year old carousel (merry go round). Couple of roofers
decided to warm up the tar on the roof with a torch, and it caught fire.
They used an extinguisher or two, and the park is literally across the
street from the volunteer FD.
Not sure how true this is, but I've heard of a handyman who tried to heat up
his roof by pouring a light film of gasoline onto the shingles, and light
it. It got heated up, and just kept on burning.
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:
: The guy who owned the house two doors over from me was going to paint
: his house himself. He first decided to do a bang up A-number one job
: of stripping the old paint by blistering it with a torch and scrapping
: it to the bare wood.
:
: So I am sitting in my den with the windows open when this big cloud of
: thick smoke blows past, I go "wtf was that?", and step outside to
: see............ta da.......he has set his house on fire and the roof
: is fully engulfed.
: Dave
"Warning: Do not use lawn mower as a hedge trimmer. Do not use lawn mower
while intoxicated, asleep, or moronic."
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:
: When I was in school in the early 80's, I had a friend who had a
: job entering consumer product lawsuits into a database that was
: to be used as part of a research project. It was amazing reading
: some of these lawsuit summaries. Using a lawnmower as a hedge
: trimmer is actually a fairly common thing. A few beers beforehand
: always seems to make it look like a better idea. In the case
: that I read, the person got hurt badly. He sued the lawnmower
: manufacture and won some big money. The court ruled that the
: company was at fault because they didn't have any labels on the
: mower or any text in the owners manual that specifically said
: to not do that. That was said as if someone dumb enough to do
: such a thing would either read the manual or take the advice
: of a warning label.
:
: -john-
:
: --
:
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> "Warning: Do not use lawn mower as a hedge trimmer. Do not use lawn mower
> while intoxicated, asleep, or moronic."
>
> --
> .
> Christopher A. Young
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> "John A. Weeks III" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> :
> : When I was in school in the early 80's, I had a friend who had a
> : job entering consumer product lawsuits into a database that was
> : to be used as part of a research project. It was amazing reading
> : some of these lawsuit summaries. Using a lawnmower as a hedge
> : trimmer is actually a fairly common thing. A few beers beforehand
> : always seems to make it look like a better idea. In the case
> : that I read, the person got hurt badly. He sued the lawnmower
> : manufacture and won some big money. The court ruled that the
> : company was at fault because they didn't have any labels on the
> : mower or any text in the owners manual that specifically said
> : to not do that. That was said as if someone dumb enough to do
> : such a thing would either read the manual or take the advice
> : of a warning label.
> :
> : -john-
How big would the manual have to be to tell that retard all the things he should not use his lawnmower
for.
"Do not cut your finger nails with this device"
"Do not cut your hair with this device"
"This is not an extractor fan"
In article <[email protected]>,
Bill <[email protected]> writes:
> In message <[email protected]>, Edwin
> Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes
>
>>
>>That bring sup another point. My workshop is in a detached garage. I
>>usually work by myself, but I always take either the portable phone or my
>>cell phone.
> So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
> phone for help?
>
> May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
> i.e. if you don't reset it at a predetermined time it will alarm. The
> timing could depend on the severity of the expected injuries.
It would be relatively easy to program a zone on my alarm such
that no movement for a period (perhaps a minute) would trigger
an alarm. Could be 2-stage such that you get a reminder chime
first, and after another period the alarm is triggered. This
mode could be automatically entered when switching on the power
circuit feeding tools (and could switch circuit off when it
generates the alarm). This is similar to the programming for
"home safe" operation, i.e. generate alarm if kids haven't
arrived home from school by 6pm, or if an elderly resident
hasn't come out of their bedroom by 9am.
--
Andrew Gabriel
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Pete C." <[email protected]> writes:
> My shop is detached, but that doesn't make any difference since I'm
> single. I pretty much always have my cell phone with me, but since I'm
> always working alone, I pay that much more attention to safety details.
> I still never use the silly guard on my table saw, but I always wear
> safety glasses, stand to the side out of the path of any kickback, and
> use a pusher stick.
You sound typical of many of the injured persons described on
http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
which was posted earlier in this thread.
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"Andrew Gabriel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Pete C." <[email protected]> writes:
>> My shop is detached, but that doesn't make any difference since I'm
>> single. I pretty much always have my cell phone with me, but since I'm
>> always working alone, I pay that much more attention to safety details.
>> I still never use the silly guard on my table saw, but I always wear
>> safety glasses, stand to the side out of the path of any kickback, and
>> use a pusher stick.
>
> You sound typical of many of the injured persons described on
> http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
> which was posted earlier in this thread.
OK, favourites?
Mine is the fishing line one near the bottom.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Dave Gordon" <d@p> writes:
>> You sound typical of many of the injured persons described on
>> http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
>> which was posted earlier in this thread.
>
> OK, favourites?
> Mine is the fishing line one near the bottom.
Snap (or rather it didn't;-).
And the kickback one which got him on the head of the penis.
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aemeijers wrote:
| "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| news:[email protected]...
|| Lobster wrote:
||
||| Owain wrote:
|||
|||| Lew Hartswick wrote:
||||
||||| I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
||||| youngster. :-)
||||
|||| We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.
|||
||| Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids
||
|| Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came
|| in?
||
| You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our
| cereal, and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them.
| Nothing like wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the
| blood flowing....
...and when the berries and paper bags had all been eaten, we boiled
the dishrag to make broth and added icebox scrapings for our soup...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Before my retirement from firefighting and rescue, about 30 years ago, I
once responded directly to the scene to a dispatch call for "A Man Down".
This means that someone has been reported hurt or requested an ambulance,
but the dispatcher couldn't get any further information from the caller
other than the location. When I pulled up to the scene I found that I was
the first emergency help to arrive and observed a small crowd that had
gathered around a guy who was lying in the street. As I approached, the
crowd parted and let me go to work on the guy. He was really tore up. I
quickly discovered that the only part of him that seemed to be still working
OK was his mouth. All while I was working on him he kept cussing out a woman
in the crowd, ( I found out later that she was his wife) and she kept
apologizing and crying. I had to stop working on him several times to get
him to calm down and lay still so I could bandage him and I was very glad
when some additional squad members showed up to help me.
While we were working to get his wounds patched and his leg and arm
splinted, I discovered that there was a large rope tied around his waist
that led out through the crowd to a car that was parked about 200' down the
road. After the ambulance arrived and we had cut him loose from the rope,
loaded him on the stretcher, and sent him off to the hospital, I managed to
find out what had happened to him from some of his neighbors and from an
investigation of his home and property.
He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away from
where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up over the front
of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from falling off his back roof
, but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from her. She
decided to go shopping and went out, got in the car, and drove off. As she
drove away the rope pulled him up over the peak of his house at such
velocity that he didn't land until he reached some very large bushes near
the end of his driveway. She then dragged him out through the bushes and
down the street for almost 2 blocks before noticing that he was behind her.
(Yes, she was a blonde...if that counts.) As best as we could tell he had 1
broken leg and 1 broken arm, 3 or 4 broken ribs, a concussion, and some very
severe road rash over his back, one side of his face, both legs and both
arms. I heard later that he spent 2 days in the hospital, but I never heard
any more about him.
In my opinion it was his own fault for not telling his wife where he was
working and for not taking her car keys away from her, but at the time of
his accident he was very upset with her and blaming her for all of it. I
have often wondered if they are still married.
Let this be a lesson to all of you - If you have to use a rope to do your
high maintenance repairs, make sure you tie it to something that isn't going
to drive away.
Charley
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> On Sep 7, 10:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> > unfortunately went wrong.
>
> A college friend was helping a guy work on his house. Guy tries to
> make a cut with a skillsaw in a sheet of paneling by bracing it
> against his leg. As the cut nears completion, the sheet folds and he
> takes a slice out of his thigh. He decides to clean up before going to
> the emergency room. Goes into shock, passes out and bleeds to death in
> the shower.
>
willshak wrote:
| Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
| weapons ownership?
Because it does (in the last fourteen words of what you've quoted
below.)
| Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
| read it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
| "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
| state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
| infringed".
That first clause is the rationale for what follows. If you don't
understand the motivation, a review of colonial history will
contribute to your appreciation of the principles involved. You might
find a review of the grievances listed in the Declaration of
Independence illuminating. The authors of the Constitution ensured
that citizens would be empowered to say "No!" to tyranny - both from
outside and from within our borders.
If you want to rebut by pointing out that there is no tyranny, then I
give you my very happiest smiley. :-)
| How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
I, and a great many others here, have so belonged. I was a gun owner
before, during, and after so belonging - not much different from
millions of other Americans. Like those others I took an oath to
preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and I intend to keep
that oath. You might prefer that I do so with a pitchfork or club, but
the authors of the Constitution preferred otherwise and gave their
preference force of law.
My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
--
Morris Dovey
Declaration of Independence: www.iedu.com/mrd/07041776.html
Constitution: www.iedu.com/mrd/Constitution.html
doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
something better with which to occupy your synapses?
"
.
>>
> True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms
> in the Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right belonging to a
> "well regulated militia" or to members of a militia.
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Robatoy wrote:
| On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
|
| I so wish I had a ballot.
Y'know, I was thinking about that a while back. Not your (r's) ballot
specifically, but the notion that citizens of a country aren't the
only stakeholders in choosing that country's leaders.
It was just idle thinking, of course, because no one in any country
would be willing to give someone from another country a role in
choosing their country's leadership. Still, it's an interesting
thought - and I've wondered how things would play if the world outside
the USA could elect one senator and one representative to our
legislature...
| That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express
| them as impotent.
| It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
Absolutely true - that's the "keyboard' part of the arsenal. Discourse
/can/ bring about change when well-chosen words are spoken/written in
a suitable context.
Well, in a manner of speaking, we're all trees in the forest - even
though we'd each like to speak our own piece and be heard as
individuals.
It's being worth listening to that's the real challenge.
| I peek over the fence and worry myself sick.
I'll be the first to admit that you have noisy neighbors who (at least
sometimes) appear to be completely irrational. :-)
Observe - great. Worry yourself sick - please don't. As a constructive
friend, you're highly valued - and I would prefer you stay healthy.
FWIW, before you get into deep worry mode, it makes sense to ask:
"Hey, what's going on here? Do I need to worry about you?" There are a
couple of benefits to this: first, there may not be as much reason to
worry as you originally thought - and second, you've stimulated your
neighbor to focus (even if just a little) more on what you see as a
problem.
| A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
| networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love to
| have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
Fear and a certain amount of bigotry. Fear that Iran will develop
nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have and fear that they'll act
irresponsibly.
I worked (and socialized) with some Irani immigrants in San Jose. I
was pleased to give 'em all the furniture I'd built for my apartment
when I returned to Iowa, and I'd be still more pleased to have them
living next door here.
In order to beat the war drums, it's necessary to /ignore/ the value
of individuals. I've concluded that "hawkishness" is inversely
proportional to the number of places from which one's friends come and
inverse-squared with one's appreciation for cultures other than one's
own.
| Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
That's not really a solution to the problems we've created for
ourselves - for a number of reasons. For instance: How would you feel
knowing the head of household next door had carelessly shot a
_friend_?
IMO, our stars never shone so brightly as when we focused our efforts
on sharing our best with others in need - and they never dimmed so
rapidly as when our politicians changed their focus from 'help' to
'control'.
They _still_ don't have 24-hour electricity in Baghdad.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
J. Clarke wrote:
| Morris Dovey wrote:
|| Robatoy wrote:
||| On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
|||
|||| My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
|||
||| I so wish I had a ballot.
||
|| Y'know, I was thinking about that a while back. Not your (r's)
|| ballot
|| specifically, but the notion that citizens of a country aren't the
|| only stakeholders in choosing that country's leaders.
||
|| It was just idle thinking, of course, because no one in any country
|| would be willing to give someone from another country a role in
|| choosing their country's leadership. Still, it's an interesting
|| thought - and I've wondered how things would play if the world
|| outside
|| the USA could elect one senator and one representative to our
|| legislature...
|
| Probably about like they play in Puerto Rico and like they played in
| the Phillippines.
Quite possibly. Still, because of their far wider constituancy
(assuming that the individuals /would/ actually attempt to represent
their constituants), it'd be interesting to see if they could do other
than vote "Nay" on all issues. :-)
||| That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express
||| them as impotent.
||| It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
||
|| Absolutely true - that's the "keyboard' part of the arsenal.
|| Discourse
|| /can/ bring about change when well-chosen words are spoken/written
|| in
|| a suitable context.
|
| But only if the people with power to effect change see the words.
That's a given. Are you feeling ignored?
|| Well, in a manner of speaking, we're all trees in the forest - even
|| though we'd each like to speak our own piece and be heard as
|| individuals.
||
|| It's being worth listening to that's the real challenge.
|
| Getting heard is harder than being worth listening to.
I haven't found that to be the case - but I may have some advantage
because of my location. I've been going to campaign "town hall"
meetings and have a different view.
||| A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
||| networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love
||| to have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
||
|| Fear and a certain amount of bigotry. Fear that Iran will develop
|| nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have and fear that they'll
|| act irresponsibly.
|
| Several of nations have nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have
| and are not a problem. I don't think that anyone in the US gives a
| damn if the Brits or the French have nuclear weapons of any degree
| of power. Iran though is run by Islamic fundamentalists, and while
| the ones running Iran have not done so recently, Islamic fundies
| seem to like to blow up anything they dislike and don't really seem
| to give much of a damn who, including themselves, gets hurt in the
| process. If it Iranians nuked a city somewhere and the whole
| country got paved as a result they'd be acclaimed as gloriout
| martyrs to the Jihad.
Posession of nukes imposes (IMO) a requirement for non-stop 100.000%
responsible behavior of which I see little evidence in any human
society - YMMV.
_Radical_ fundamentalists of _any_ persuasion are so labeled, at least
in part, because they deny cultural and social norms - and so their
ability to act responsibly in a wider context is diminished.
A world in which we have jihad, crusade, purge, ethnic cleansing, etc.
as operative concepts is not a good place in which to even store
nukes.
| That's why Iran having nuclear weapons is a bad thing. In fact
| Pakistan having them is a bit scary--the current regime there seems
| to be reasonable, but it doesn't even have the whole country under
| control--there are places in Pakistan that the cops don't go
| without a military escort, and there have been attempts to
| assassinate the current leader. If the fundies take over Pakistan
| then it's quite possible that Very Bad Things will follow.
I agree. It's already /possible/ - but the probability would likely
increase significantly.
|| I worked (and socialized) with some Irani immigrants in San Jose. I
|| was pleased to give 'em all the furniture I'd built for my
|| apartment when I returned to Iowa, and I'd be still more pleased
|| to have them living next door here.
|
| Every Japanese I've met has been a good guy. So has every German.
| That doesn't mean that Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust didn't happen.
|
| It's not the man in the street that starts wars, it's the
| government. In the late '30s and early '40s both countries had
| rather nasty governments that didn't much care who got hurt while
| they pursued their dreams of power and there was precious little
| that the man in the street could do about it. A lot of good,
| decent Japanese and Germans got killed either by or for those
| governments.
|
| Do you really trust the Iranian government? You don't seem to trust
| the US government and the US government is at least notionally
| answerable to the populace, so why is the Iranian government more
| trustworthy?
No, I don't - but neither do I have total confidence in /any/
government. I like to think that the US government - both as a whole
and as a collection of elected/appointed/hired individuals - is more
responsible, responsive, and answerable than most - but the news is
filled with evidence of irresponsible and unwise behaviors. However
good it is, it's not 100%.
|| In order to beat the war drums, it's necessary to /ignore/ the
|| value of individuals. I've concluded that "hawkishness" is
|| inversely proportional to the number of places from which one's
|| friends come and
|| inverse-squared with one's appreciation for cultures other than
|| one's own.
|
| So which would you rather? Some of those valuable individuals die
| sooner while the Iranian government is prevented from obtaining
| nuclear weapons that it doesn't need, or a lot more die later when
| that government uses those weapons?
I'd rather you extended my range of choices. :-)
| Why is the Iranian government so Hell-bent on nuclear weapons
| anyway? That money could be far better spent expanding the economy.
I don't /know/ why - but I'd guess that they're afraid and have
convinced themselves that they can live less in fear if they can wave
a bigger stick. I'd also guess that the primary sources of their fear
are the USA and Israel.
I agree that the resources could be used much more productively.
||| Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
||
|| That's not really a solution to the problems we've created for
|| ourselves - for a number of reasons. For instance: How would you
|| feel
|| knowing the head of household next door had carelessly shot a
|| _friend_?
|
| What does this have to do with impeachment? And how often does that
| particular scenario happen anyway? That's another statistic that
| you people pull up at the drop of the hat without understanding
| it--"shot someone you know" is not the same as "shot a friend".
Relatively seldom. I am not, by the way, "you people" any more than is
John Clarke. It was not a group of people who wrote the article to
which you responded. I'm making an effort to respond thoughtfully and
honestly to you as an individual - and I'd appreciate if you make that
same effort.
I maintain that a hunter is responsible for where his bullet/shot ends
up - absolutely and without exception. If the trajectory cannot be
known to be safe, the shot must not be fired. In my considered opinion
Cheney demonstrated his inclination to act irresponsibly at a very
fundamental level.
I not only would not hunt with the man - I would be loathe to allow
him to trade control of his shotgun for control of our nuclear
arsenal.
|| IMO, our stars never shone so brightly as when we focused our
|| efforts
|| on sharing our best with others in need - and they never dimmed so
|| rapidly as when our politicians changed their focus from 'help' to
|| 'control'.
||
|| They _still_ don't have 24-hour electricity in Baghdad.
|
| And they aren't going to until the Iraqis quit blowing each other to
| Kingdom Come.
|
| That's why the US is there right now, to try to keep the lid on
| until the government is strong and stable enough to do so without
| help. Now, I'm sure you're going to counter with the argument that
| everything will be peachy-keen in Iraq if the US leaves. And you're
| right, it will, if you define "peachy-keen" as "The Mahdi Army
| overthrows the government, establishes a Shiite dominated Islamic
| fundamentalist state, arrests and imprisons or executes anybody who
| dissents, lines up all the troublemakers and lots of other innocents
| who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and
| shoots them, establishes a new secret police, and Moqtada Al-Sadr is
| elected President for Life by a 110 percent majority".
No - I'm going to counter by reminding you that the US is there right
now because our President declared Iraq to be a "clear and present
danger" to the United States and directed his Secretary of Defense to
send our military forces there to remove the weapons of mass
destruction.
I understand that you're frustrated, as am I, but let's not lose sight
of facts nor allow ourselves (or others) to duck responsibility for
actions taken and not taken.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
> equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
> of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
> with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
> cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
> sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.
>
Yow! Couldn't they just, kinda, lift him off? Gently.
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>> ships to land and populate that land?
>
>
> 'British' = your slang.
>
>
>> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>> made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>> understand each other
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Look at what the British have done to it in the last 250 years. Talk
> about bastardizing! You're your own worst ennemy.
>
>
> --
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida
People, people.
It was Bill Brysons book about language that asserted, I don't know with what justification, that the
current US "drawl" is more like the accent used by Elizabethan English - i.e. when the Mayflower set
sail - than the current English accent that comes from a load of Germans, Dutch and Greeks that we
brought over 200 years ago to rule us.
So you guys are actually closer to original English than we, the English, are.
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is generating more interest
> then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't
> like it? Then exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this
> thread.
>
>
> William Noble wrote:
>
>> doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT subject degenerates into a
>> pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have something better with which to occupy your synapses?
>> "
>>
>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment is
>>>an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
>>>militia.
>>
Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".
I guess its only a matter of time before someone says "Because the good lord made it so", and we are
then allowed to let this thread die...
'alf a mo'. I just did say it. Can we stop now?
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> raden wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
>>>>> because?
>
I think his point is that guns can kill at a distance, which makes it easier to reach a state of mind
where shooting someone is desirable, and where it carries less consequences.
Yeah, I can relate to that. My given name is Randall. I lived in Spain
for a while and spent a good bit of time at the British Club in
Barcelona. It took @6 months for anyone to clue me in to why introducing
myself saying "Hi I'm Randy" brought smiles and smirks from my new
British acquaintances.
Jay Cups
John Rumm wrote:
> Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:17:35 +0100, John Rumm
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>> raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there
>>>>>> was a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>>
>>>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>
>>>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>>
>>> "bog" being a UK slang expression for toilet ;-)
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall a similar shared "Whut the hell...?" between the UK
>> term 'Bum Bag' = USA term 'Fanny Pack' Going either way it could be
>> considered an insult if one was looking for a reason to be insulted.
>
>
> My favourite (favorite!) story came from someone I knew who used to be
> an instructor in the Royal Air Force. One job he quite enjoyed was when
> he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
> personnel into the pitfalls of our common language. His opening line was
> always "Is there anyone called Randy, in the room?". He said you could
> guarantee that a few hands would go up. His response of laughing out
> loud and saying "you poor shits!" always seemed to raised some
> indignation. He would then point out that the closest word in meaning
> they would be familiar with would be "horny". He said you could see a
> few faces drop as the implications sank in!
>
Can you give us an example of severe gun control reducing violence? Look to
Washington DC, New York City, and Los Angeles as possible examples to prove
your point. Also, the United Kingdom and Australia may help make your
point.
--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
.
"Jerome Meekings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1i4dgdt.ty48biyj0i4fN%[email protected]...
: J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: > And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
: > which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
: > murder.
:
: The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
: 1) the nutters can get them more easily.
: 2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
: 3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
: mistake much too often.
: 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
:
: And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is that
: with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the person you
: injure/kill.
:
: But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be easily
: identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for their
: use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could prove
: that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable responsible
: person.
: Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where the
: law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
: However if it could be achieved the level of gun related crime/accidents
: would drop at an amazing rate.
:
:
:
"nick hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
>
> Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF THE
> ABOVE ;)
Nice protest, but what if it was? What if that choice got the most votes?
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave Gordon wrote:
>> "Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is generating more interest
>>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the First Amendment at work.
>>>Don't like it? Then exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring
>>>this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>William Noble wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT subject degenerates into a
>>>>pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have something better with which to occupy your synapses?
>>>>"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment
>>>>>is an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
>>>>>militia.
>>>>
>> Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".
>>
>
> Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second Amendment dozens of
> times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies I EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to
> "a well regulated militia." And read my first post above again.
Its right there, in the same sentence.
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> willshak wrote:
>> on 9/12/2007 5:42 PM Dave said the following:
>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> raden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>>>>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
(you do know he means the brush you clean the toilet with, don't you?)
SteveB wrote:
| "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| news:[email protected]...
|| SteveB wrote:
||
||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
||
|| Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
||
|| :-)
|
| Well, I guess that would be the three where this inane discussion
| is taking place, wouldn't it?
Ok, since the conversation(s) have wandered a bit afield, I'm happy to
help you out with this subthread by prepending "[OT]" to the subject
so you can filter more conveniently for all three of this newsgroup.
HTH
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
| "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> writes:
|
|| SteveB wrote:
||
||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
||
|| Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
|
| I think his point is valid for any of them.
But are you certain it's valid for _all_ of them? :-D
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
| Morris Dovey wrote:
||
|| SteveB wrote:
||| "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
||| news:[email protected]...
|||| SteveB wrote:
||||
||||| You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No?
||||| Sigh
||||
|||| Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
||||
|||| :-)
|||
||| Well, I guess that would be the three where this inane discussion
||| is taking place, wouldn't it?
||
|| Ok, since the conversation(s) have wandered a bit afield, I'm
|| happy to help you out with this subthread by prepending "[OT]" to
|| the subject so you can filter more conveniently for all three of
|| this newsgroup.
|
| OT isn't allowed on RCM. Our resident net Nazi gets upset about
| OT posts.
Bummer. You have my condolances. The folks here on rec.woodworking
have decided that putting up with net nannies/control freaks is worse
than the occasional off-topic thread - and one of our regulars
maintains a filtering package for those who'd prefer not to see the OT
threads (or the occasionally really nasty garbage posts) at all.
Normally (but obviously not always) we add "OT" to the subject to
facilitate filtering, and it works fairly well. RW (the "wreck") is a
fairly convivial group - and occasionally the people who've gotten to
know each other here do enjoy OT side discussions. The antisocial
types who pop in and object are generally held in low regard - the
wreck values right answers, but not people who're all about _being_
right.
I'll gladly trim RCM from my future responses. :-)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
[email protected] wrote:
| They have a blade with the stop jambed in it at the local Woodcraft
| store signed by an ukulele maker who got to keep all his fingers, so
| I'd say it works. I'd still be just as carefull as I would with any
| other table saw.
From _Systemantics_:
When a failsafe system fails, it fails by failing to fail /safe/.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Dave wrote:
| willshak wrote:
|| on 9/15/2007 5:17 PM Rich Grise said the following:
||
||| On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
|||
|||| willshak wrote:
||||
||||| You had dirt to grow berries in?
||||
|||| i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly
|||| button lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings,
|||| and you liked it that way.
|||
||| Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes!
||| ;-)
||
|| You had a belly button?
|
| Talking about belly buttons, what causes a woman's to protrude when
| they get pregnant?
<straight man>
I dunno, Mr Interlocutor, what makes her belly button protrude?
</straight man>
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
"Gunner Asch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:34:12 -0500, "Neil Larson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>- Final and best was when he needed to drill a small hole in a short board.
>>He didn't have a vise in the part of the shop he was in so he put the board
>>on his lap. He was sitting on one of those old military cloth covered
>>stools. He put his weight on the 1/2 " drive drill, and the bit went thru
>>the board, his pants, his underwear, his scrotum, back out thru all of them
>>then into the bottom of the stool. As any of you that have tried to drill
>>thru cloth know, it likes to twist up on the bit. The Chief corpsman and I
>>were walking by and heard him scream. After he analyzed the problem. the
>>Chief corpsman gave me the choice, hold the mans scrotum in place or
>>manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
>>much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
>>nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
>>good of the navy.
>>
>
> "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by
> legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being
> stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the
> sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out
> automatically and without pity".
> Robert A. Heinlein,
Yup. One of my favourites.
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobster wrote:
>
>> Owain wrote:
>>
>>> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
>>>> youngster. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.
>>
>>
>> Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids
>
> Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came in?
>
You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our cereal,
and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them. Nothing like
wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the blood flowing....
aem sends...
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>
>>
>>>I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>>short...
>>>
>>
>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to
>> have a handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an
>> altercation with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair
>> in a death grip and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By
>> that time, she had torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
>>
>> The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
>> shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He
>> had to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a
>> half an inch long since.
>>
>> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow
>> some hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will
>> go with a buzz cut.
>
> I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of the
> hair that can not be grabbed/held.
>
'Buzz Cut' draws its name from the buzzing sound the clippers make as they
ride along the scalp. Think electric dog clippers- basically the same thing.
The buzz is 60hz, from the alternating line current, that is used to move
the heads back and forth. In UK, it would be a 50hz buzz. You hear it right
through your skull. I had buzz cuts as a kid, until I looked in the mirror
one day around 4th or 5th grade. I had a pony tail as a teenager, but am
back to above-the collar now. The current buzz-cut fad, presumably
war-inspired, leaves me cold.
aem sends...
willshak wrote:
> on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>>
>>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>>> sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>>> easy to style in the morning.
>>>
>> G'day Ed,
>> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
>> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>>
> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.
Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.
> Back in the 50's there was a
> singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
> The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
> know if that was by the Crew Cuts
"Sh-Boom"
--
If you really believe carbon dioxide causes global warming,
you should stop exhaling.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:05:03 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
><[email protected]> writes
>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> John
>>>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>
>>>
>>>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>geoff
>>
>>
>>why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>
>And you septics claim to understand English ?
No such claims were ever made. We do however claim to understand
American.
Now Redbone, clatz the dog while ranching the skeeter.
Gunner
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Jane & David
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article <tPBEi.2171$Ot1.929@trnddc07>,
>> "newman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair, was
>>> behind
>>> guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around mechanism and
>>> partially tore out part of her scalp.
>>
>>
>>Whoa, that made my remaining hair stand up. Several years ago, I was
>>doing a long rip with a circular saw and noticed that a few long hairs
>>were bouncing off the blade. Only a few hairs had come untied and none
>>got caught by the blade, but it scared the shit out of me and so that
>>was the last day I ever had long hair (not that I could anyway lately).
>>
>>PDX David
>
>
> When I was running an alarm company..had a long haired installer
> running a bell hanger bit straight up through the ceiling of a church,
> from the top of a 12' ladder.
>
> If course it was a dull bit and he started hugging the drill motor to
> push up harder...
>
> Hair got spun around the drill bit. Rather than calling for
> help....he paniced and either jumped or fell off the top of the
> ladder.
>
> I got a call from his wife at the hospital telling me he was there
> being treated and would I please gather up his tool?
>
> Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
> staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
> unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it on
> ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
> it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed to
> reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
> debride the dead tissue.
>
> Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
> away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.
>
Considering what a general klutz I am, guess I should be grateful that my
father was always such a hardass about jobsite safety when I was a kid. I
had long hair back then, and he insisted that I keep it tied up with a
bandanna when working with power tools, or doing any high work. Having
started his career in the days before cheap easily available antibiotics, he
also would not tolerate scrap boards with nail points sticking out of them.
(Puncture wounds on a construction site are common.) Always check rigging,
tie off scaffolds, no confined-space work without a spotter, yada yada yada.
The lessons stuck, and I still have both eyes and all ten fingers and toes.
I did have accidents, of course, but they were all relatively minor. I can
relate to the post upstream about safety glasses- tagged myself just above
the left eye with a crowbar once, doing some minor demo work, when a rotted
piece of plywood shredded instead of coming off. Scalp cuts sure do bleed-
soaked right through a winter coat, from a superficial gash. A butterfly
bandage and a quart of orange juice, and I was back at work a couple hours
later.
Now that I am on the wrong side of fifty, and don't heal up near as fast as
I did as a kid, I am even more careful. Plan every move, double check
everything, take a break or knock off for the day when I start getting tired
enough or pissed off enough to start making stupid errors. The only
power-tool work I do these days is for myself, so deadline pressure isn't an
issue. As long as I can button things up enough so weather isn't a problem,
there is always tomorrow.
aem sends...
aem sends...
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:35:21 -0400, Kurt Ullman <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Imagine my surprise when one of my test injuries was a 'sprain' to area
>> 'gentials' :-)
>
> I have that happen a lot... (g)
Repetitive strain injury?
<G>
Gunner
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> raden wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>>>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>>>
>>>
>>>And you septics claim to understand English ?
>>>
>>>--
>>>geoff
>>
>>
>>
>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>
> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
> ships to land and populate that land?
Oh, hell, the French, the Spaniards, and the Dutch had been here for years
before the Mayflower. Except for the Dutch, they were here for nearly a
century before the English settlement at Jamestown, for that matter. The
English were come-latelies to North America.
>
> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
> made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
> understand each other
I don't think we have much trouble understanding you. As for the differences
in punctuation and spelling, your source of today's accepted standards is
the same as ours: typesetters of the 17th and 18th centuries. We just had
different typesetters. And we had Noah Webster. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is
generating more interest then anything else going on in this newsgroup right
now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your
own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.
William Noble wrote:
> doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
> subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
> something better with which to occupy your synapses?
> "
>
>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms
>>in the Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right belonging to a
>>"well regulated militia" or to members of a militia.
>
Kurt Ullman wrote:
> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Amendment II
>> >
>> > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>> > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>> > infringed.
>>
>>
>> That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms shall
>> not
>> be infringed.
>
> But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
> succinctly. You conveniently ignore that.
What you're ignoring is that the entire first part of that is commentary.
The actual meat of the amendment says simply and eloquently, "the right
of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in today's
world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a well-regulated
militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
--
If you really believe carbon dioxide causes global warming,
you should stop exhaling.
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:23:43 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
><[email protected]> writes
>>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:53 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:07:15 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>>>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>>>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> blah blah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>>>>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>Another stupid septic ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Another stupid turd heard from.
>>>>
>>>>Turd = Shit rhymes with Brit.
>>>>
>>>>Gunner
>>>>
>>>Not really good with words are you ?
>>
>>Im not particularly conversant with Cockney Rhyming Slang, but isnt
>>the term you twats use for the US..."septic" + tank rhymes with Yank?
>>
>>So you stupid Turds (I did get the connection correct, did I not?)
>>are now going to get all pissy and upset about it?
>>>
>>>now as I said
>>>
>>>"can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this"
>>
>>Intelligent enough, of course. On the other hand, pissing off arrogant
>>sniveling little Turds is fun.
>>
>>The DIY shall remain. In fact, I may subscribe to the group,
>
>DIGAF - I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
Really? I understand young boys are cheap there. Enjoy your
predilections. Just watch out for the "slims". With luck..the latest
ebola outbreak will catch you first.
>
>Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
>domesticated animals ?
I mentioned he liked beagles?
>
>I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
>they are just too stupid to survive
Im sure the Pakis agree with you.
Gunner
"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is
>> generating more interest then anything else going on in this newsgroup
>> right now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then
>> exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just
>> ignoring this thread.
>>
>>
>> William Noble wrote:
>>
>>> doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
>>> subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
>>> something better with which to occupy your synapses?
>>> "
>>>
>>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms
>>>>in the Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right belonging to
>>>>a "well regulated militia" or to members of a militia.
>>>
> Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated
> militia".
>
> I guess its only a matter of time before someone says "Because the good
> lord made it so", and we are then allowed to let this thread die...
> 'alf a mo'. I just did say it. Can we stop now?
Eh, the courts have NOT consistently held that it's an individual right.
Just the opposite, in fact.
However, the issue is up for grabs again. Within this decade two Circuit
Courts of Appeals have reached opposite conclusions on this issue, one that
supports the individual right (Fifth Circuit, United States v. Emerson, 270
F.3d 203) and one that denies it (Ninth Circuit, Silveira v. Lockyer, 312
F.3d 1052). This conflict puts pressure on the Supreme Court to finally
decide the issue, but don't count your chickens. It may be very difficult to
find a test case.
FWIW, the issue has been brewing in the highest reaches of legal theorizing
since the publication, in the Yale Law Review, of Sanford Levinson's
article, "The Embarrassing Second Amendment" (1989). The article is widely
available online for anyone who's interested.
Laurence Tribe (the most famous liberal legal scholar) caused a furor a few
years by swinging, to a large degree, to the individual-rights position. It
is an extremely hot issue in legal scholarship today, part of a broader
turmoil of re-thinking various rights issues.
--
Ed Huntress
Ken <[email protected]> wrote
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman
> or handywoman accidents that you've experienced so far
> (or someone you know, or saw it happen to, got to experience)
> and please elaborate on what unfortunately went wrong.
This has just happened in my town, to people known to me.
The first one was a classic agricultural accident, the individual
was wearing a coat that got caught in the tractor PTO shaft.
By himself, not much left except mangled remains.
Then at the wake, another was silly enough to climb the
TV tower because the antenna wasnt working properly.
The tower collapsed and he was killed in the process.
Bob Eager wrote:
>
> Let's guess...you're researching for another of these dumbed-down,
> sensationalist TV programmes?
>
Hmmm... Researcher of some kind ;-)
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author%3Alavrulr111%40hotmail.com>
Good topic, but which ones are the real DIY stories? ;-)
However, for those who haven't seen it before we must nonetheless
highlight the expanding foam story in this crosspost.
<http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/humour.html#foam>
--
Adrian C
Martin Bonner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 9:00 pm, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>,
>> Ken <[email protected]> writes>What have been the worst
>> (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or
>>> saw it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>> Tosser x-posted to numerous DIY related Ngroups
>>
>> He accidentally fell into the north sea with his feet encased in
>> concrete
>>
>> How we did laff ...
>
> Don't think that's fair. It was on-topic for all the groups; he
> cross- posted rather than multi-posted; admittedly, he posted to five
> groups, whereas I think the recommended maximum is four.
There is no 'recommended maximum'
"John Rumm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> writes:
>>>> You sound typical of many of the injured persons described on
>>>> http://www.amgron.clara.net/circularsawbenches/accidents.htm
>>>> which was posted earlier in this thread.
>>> OK, favourites?
>>> Mine is the fishing line one near the bottom.
>>
>> Snap (or rather it didn't;-).
>> And the kickback one which got him on the head of the penis.
>
> You know its a bad day when you fall off a scaffold and "Carpenter fell
> from a 2nd floor scaffold onto a running table saw, lost most of his
> hand."
He was bloody lucky that was all he lost.
tim
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>raden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to
>>>>> >defending ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in
>>>>> >the
>>>>> >house, then I am all for it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>>>state.
>>>>
>>>One of the more sensible laws we have
>>
>> True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>> either. Pity your nation is filled with such.
>>
>> Gunner
>
> Seems there is a significant scandal in the UK right now regarding
> ministers having cooked to books to under-report the number of, and
> escalating amount of gun crimes in that safe, gun-free country.
Where did you read this. There is no such scandal of that
type that I know. True gun ownership by 'gangs' is rife, by
no-one is out there "cooking the books"
tim
"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>> Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
>> equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
>> of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
>> with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
>> cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
>> sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.
>>
> Yow! Couldn't they just, kinda, lift him off? Gently.
First Aid 101- with penetrating wounds, you <DON'T> remove the foreign
object until the IV is going and the trauma team is right there suited up,
to repair the damage. Take out the cork, the victim tends to bleed out in
minutes.
I think the story is BS, just for the sake of the last line. The odds of
landing 'just so' like that are close to zero. It does raise a valid point,
though- never do high work without proper precautions, including making sure
the space below is clear of nasties. Like if you HAVE to work above exposed
rebar, put plywood or hay bales or SOMETHING over it.
aem sends...
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>>>
>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>>brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>>ships to land and populate that land?
>
>
>
> 'British' = your slang.
>
>
>
>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>>made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>>understand each other
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>
> Look at what the British have done to it in the last 250 years. Talk
> about bastardizing! You're your own worst ennemy.
I have to agree with you here, we have taken on far too many Americanisms.
Check out this
Go figure
I could go on, but it is getting late at the world's time line marker :-)
Dave
>
>
"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> F.3d 203) and one that denies it (Ninth Circuit, Silveira v. Lockyer, 312
>> F.3d 1052). This conflict puts pressure on the Supreme Court to finally
>> decide the issue, but don't count your chickens. It may be very difficult
>> to
>> find a test case.
>>
> Doesn't look as though the Dudes and Dudettes from the 9th are gonna
> lose their title of most overturned circuit any time soon.
However, keep in mind that the 5th, while it has fewer cases reviewed by the
USSC, had 100% of them overturned in a recent year. I think it was five
cases in one year.
There's no way anyone can anticipate how this one would come out. I'd put my
money on the individual-right interpretation prevailing, but I wouldn't bet
heavily.
--
Ed Huntress
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
><[email protected]> writes
>>raden wrote:
>>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>> >
>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
>>> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
>>> >then I am all for it.
>>> >
>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>
>>
>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>state.
>>
>One of the more sensible laws we have
True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
either. Pity your nation is filled with such.
Gunner
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:10:41 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
My Grandfather set a circular saw down on his leg after rigging the
guard to keep it from covering the blade. The injury required
significant sutures to close in the doctor's office.
Several years later, he was having a "routine" hernia repair when a
clot broke free from the saw injury lodged in his heart and killed
him.
This was some 30 years ago and the doctor in charge retired in the
face of malfeasance charges, but that didn't make my Grandfather any
less dead.
Be careful and DON'T ever bypass safety equipment
===========================================================================
Chris
--
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willshak wrote:
> on 9/12/2007 5:42 PM Dave said the following:
>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>> raden wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's
>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you septics claim to understand English ?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>>
>> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>> ships to land and populate that land?
>>
>> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that
>> we made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do
>> not understand each other
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Now Dave, don't get your shorts all knotted up.
> The main US language is still English. We both have idioms that the
> other does not understand.
> We also have a segment that is unintelligible even to us, like you and
> your cockney, and that rhyming thing that no one understands.
> Besides, you no longer talk like the Pilgrims either. And let's not
> mention Beowulf and the Canterbury Tales.
> They might as well have been written in German.
> When it is important, we speak the same language.
Just testing the waters :-)
Just don't take me serious.
Dave
"Ken" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
This happened to my boss some years ago ...
Ladder up against the house; leaned over too far and ladder slid; he fell.
Then the worst part ... he landed on a picket fence and drove a picket up
through his chin and out his mouth. He survived and was back at work
in a week or two, though his face looked pretty gruesome for quite awhile.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:40:47 -0400, "Charley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Let this be a lesson to all of you - If you have to use a rope to do your
>high maintenance repairs, make sure you tie it to something that isn't going
>to drive away.
>
>
>Charley
>
Same thing happened to the guy who had his cottage next to my
neighbour's cottage on Lake Huron. The cottage was down at the bottom
of a bank, parking up top, just about roof height.He was repairing the
roof, roped off to the car when his wife backed the car out to go play
cards with her friends down the road. She stopped when she saw him
come over the roof, and he ended up falling off the roof and broke his
leg. He gets home and is on the mend when his wife decided to do some
painting. She cleaned the brushes with turpentine or some other
flamable solvent and dumped it down the hole of the outhouse.
Poor guy goes in for a crap, sits down and lights his pipe, and drops
the (still burning) match down the hole. KABOOOM!!!
Now he's got his leg in a cast and second degree burns on his keester.
Both courtesy of his lovin' wife!!
--
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raden wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>,
> nick hull <[email protected]> writes
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>>> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>>>
>>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
>>> cut
>>> short...
>>
>>
>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>
>
> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>
>>
>> Free men own guns
>
>
> And dead people are the result
In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house, then
I am all for it.
Dave
willshak wrote:
> on 9/13/2007 10:17 AM clifto said the following:
>> willshak wrote:
>>
>>> on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>>>
>>>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>>>>> sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>>>>> easy to style in the morning.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> G'day Ed,
>>>> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
>>>> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.
>>>
>>
>> Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
>> hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
>> than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.
>>
>>
>>> Back in the 50's there was a
>>> singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>> The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
>>> know if that was by the Crew Cuts
>>>
>>
>> "Sh-Boom"
>
> Right!
Yadadadadadadadadadaaaaa
--
If you really believe carbon dioxide causes global warming,
you should stop exhaling.
"Joe Pfeiffer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Rumm <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> You know its a bad day when you fall off a scaffold and "Carpenter
>> fell from a 2nd floor scaffold onto a running table saw, lost most of
>> his hand."
>
> If I fell from a second floor scaffold onto a running table saw and
> the news said "lost most of his hand", I'd consider myself to have
> gotten off very lucky.
I somehow doubt that any of us would really feel lucky in such an event.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:17:35 +0100, John Rumm
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>>raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>> a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>
>>> We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>
>> why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>
>"bog" being a UK slang expression for toilet ;-)
I seem to recall a similar shared "Whut the hell...?" between the UK
term 'Bum Bag' = USA term 'Fanny Pack' Going either way it could be
considered an insult if one was looking for a reason to be insulted.
--<< Bruce >>--
Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second
>>Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies
>>I
>>EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And
>>read
>>my first post above again.
>
>
> Amendment II
>
> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
> infringed.
That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms shall not
be infringed.
"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>suggests
>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize
>>>>on
>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate
>>>>over
>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>
>>> blah blah
>>>
>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>
>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> geoff
>>
>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>
> Another stupid septic ...
Well, don't be too hard on yourself. I wouldn't say you're stupid, just
crude and unimaginative.
--
Ed Huntress
"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote
> This happened either just before I started orvery shortly afterwards
> in another local office (now closed). We had some work experience kids
> in with varying levels of handicap, and someone thought it would be
> safe to let one of these kids use the shredder. Not even the
> manufacturer believed you could get a whole hand in that far :-/
Yikes. Over this past weekend some guy was killed when his
shirt became entangled with a stump grinder being operated by
some tree company. No word on why the homeowner was
hanging around so close to the activity that he could get his
shirt caught.
nancy
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Amendment II
>>> >
>>> > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>> > infringed.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms
>>> shall
>>> not
>>> be infringed.
>>
>> But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
>> succinctly. You conveniently ignore that.
>
> What you're ignoring is that the entire first part of that is commentary.
> The actual meat of the amendment says simply and eloquently, "the right
> of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in today's
> world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a
> well-regulated
> militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
Not necessarily. Nominative absolute sentences are just as (un)common today
as they were in the latter part of the 18th century. Yes, I researched it,
around 20 years ago.
And the "because" is just one possible "in other words" for such a
nominative absolute. The accurate meaning of the others would produce an
awkward sentence -- which is why the nominative absolute is used from time
to time in literature. You will not see it used in legal documents today
because of the ambiguity.
I don't look this stuff up for fun, but if you doubt all this and want to
see some parallel examples, I'll dig out my grammar books. They have some
good ones.
--
Ed Huntress
"Lobster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Distant cousin of SWMBO was found dead in his workshop a couple of years
> ago, and police originally treated it as suspicious. However, it emerged
> that he'd disabled a safety feature on his industrial-grade circular saw -
> I don't know the details but I think he somehow got impaled on a length of
> wood he was cutting and bled to death before being able to summon help.
That bring sup another point. My workshop is in a detached garage. I
usually work by myself, but I always take either the portable phone or my
cell phone.
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
>> >> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> >>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or
>> >>> saw
>> >>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> >>> unfortunately went wrong.
>> >
>> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
>
> You SURE don't want to go into your shop without pants. ;-)
Oh, jeez, did you have to say that? I'm not going anywhere near my lathe for
a while now...
--
Ed Huntress
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>>Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>
>>>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>
>>Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
>
>
>Of course it does. Nearly as bad as crashing through your windshield
>on the highway.
Done that at 80 mph
>
>Or falling off a ladder
That's for silly people
>
>Or drowning in a swimming pool
>
>Or bleeding to death after misusing a power tool
You'll like this ...
very gory - failed suicide bomber ...
<http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1181884353/Disgusting_Results_of_a_Failed_
Suicide_Bomber>
>
>Or choking to death on food
Pretzel ? we wish
>
>Etc
>
>So you have no issues with banning motorcars, ladders, swimming pools,
>power tools and food.
>
>Correct?
No, these are all things designed for things other than killing people
Sport aside, guns are there to kill
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61##[email protected]> writes
>"Warning: Do not use lawn mower as a hedge trimmer. Do not use lawn mower
>while intoxicated, asleep, or moronic."
>
And learn how to post properly
--
geoff
John Rumm wrote:
> Neil Larson wrote:
>
>> manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe
>> how much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in
>> a scrotum nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was
>> discharged for the good of the navy.
>
>
> Last thing you need is thick seamen all over the place.... ;-)
>
After reading that, I am still persuading my nuts to come back down from
my neck :-(
Dave
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
#1
Neighbor was painting slipped off the ladder, fell about 10 feet, hit his
hips on a clothes dryer bounced off then hit almost head first onto a
concrete floor. He's back on his feet today but it took a while.
#2
Uncle was cutting plywood with a circular saw using his hand to support the
plywood. Lost his pinky.
#3
Brother-in-law using radial arm saw to cut a too short board. Took off tip
of thumb.
3a Same BiL was repairing barn roof. Using chainsaw to trim overhang. .
.while standing with one foot on roof, one foot on over hang and chainsaw
cutting between his legs. Think 3 Stooges. Nothing but bruised pride.
Ken kirjoitti:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
>
I have heard this one from a man who saw this happen in his yard in the
60´s.
A man had a homemade circle saw, (diam about 1,5 meters) with a
hydraulic table to move the log back and forth. He and his son run a
service to cut the timber of the customer so the machine was movable.
The father was operating the machine and the son was at the other end
piling up the ready cut timber.
The hydraulic table got stuck because of a piece of wood. The father
leaned over the table to remove the jammed piece. His hand touched the
lever switch that operated the table move. He fell over the sawtable,
was driven to the blade and was cut in two pieces. The bodypieces of
the father fell in front of the son who was shocked. An ampulance came
to pick up the son. The crew of the ambulance were also shocked and were
unable to do anything to the body of the father so my friend had to
collect the bodypieces in a plastic bag. He had been in WWII in the
russian front and seen all.
Later in the investigation was foud that the lockspring of the operating
lever had been broken and missing.
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
<[email protected]> writes
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>> >
>>>> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Free men own guns
>>>> >
>>>> >And dead people are the result
>>>>
>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>>
>>We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>
>
>Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>
>Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>
>Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>
I don't own a gun, nor do I want to
not owning one doesn't make me feel oppressed
Hey one - nill to England against Russia
--
geoff
JP Sipponen wrote:
> Ken kirjoitti:
>
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>
> I have heard this one from a man who saw this happen in his yard in the
> 60´s.
>
> A man had a homemade circle saw, (diam about 1,5 meters) with a
> hydraulic table to move the log back and forth. He and his son run a
> service to cut the timber of the customer so the machine was movable.
We have had two pretty messy farm equipment accidents in the
last decade in the St. Louis area. One was a teenager who was
home operating some kind of harvesting gear and it ripped both
his arms off. Luckily the arterys snapped back and didn't spurt
or he would have died in seconds. He got up, walked back to the
house, opened the door with his teeth, and called 911 by using a
pencil to dial the phone. The paramedics rushed him to the
hospital while a fire department team got his arms out of the
machinery. His arms were not severly damaged, and they were
reattached. The newspaper went back and interviewed him after a
while. He was still working on getting his arms usable, and was
making progress. I think this made the national news at the time.
Another one was an elderly gent who had a big saw that was
apparently powered by a tractor PTO. He somehow got caught,
maybe on a log, and was sawed in half from the groin to
mid-chest. Amazingly, unlike JP's story, he survived this and
was basically put back together. In the hospital, he asked his
wife what happened to the saw, and she said "It'll be at the
bottom of the lake by the time you get out of the hospital!"
Jon
In message <[email protected]>, willshak
<[email protected]> writes
>on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>>>
>>> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
>>>sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
>>>easy to style in the morning.
>>>
>> G'day Ed,
>> I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
>> In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
>>
>> regards
>> John
>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
--
geoff
raden wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> writes
>>willshak wrote:
>>
>>| Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
>>| weapons ownership?
>>
>>Because it does (in the last fourteen words of what you've quoted
>>below.)
>>
>>| Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
>>| read it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>| "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>| state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>| infringed".
>>
>>That first clause is the rationale for what follows. If you don't
>>understand the motivation, a review of colonial history will
>>contribute to your appreciation of the principles involved. You might
>>find a review of the grievances listed in the Declaration of
>>Independence illuminating. The authors of the Constitution ensured
>>that citizens would be empowered to say "No!" to tyranny - both from
>>outside and from within our borders.
>>
>>If you want to rebut by pointing out that there is no tyranny, then I
>>give you my very happiest smiley. :-)
>>
> One of our political comedians offered three thousand pounds ( the
> proceeds from an article he wrote) to anyone who killed George Bush, and
> as a true patriot, you should all be leaping at the chance
>
>
I can hear the sound of splintering wood and breaking glass now!
And the wan and pitiful sound of someone who is about to disappear forever
screaming that they have rights.
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
<[email protected]> writes
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>raden wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>> >
>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
>>>> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
>>>> >then I am all for it.
>>>> >
>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>>
>>>
>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>>state.
>>>
>>One of the more sensible laws we have
>
>True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>either.
So you're "gunner" in name only then ?
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>, RickH
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sep 8, 7:27 pm, RickH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> > unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>> December 4th 1994, I went on my roof to string Christmas lights and
>> clean the gutters. The weather ws OK, no snow, but by the time I was
>> done it had been snowing for about 20 minutes. The ladder was against
>> the eve gutter, only one story, and bottomn of ladder on the
>> driveway. When I put my weight on the ladder, ice had built up under
>> the ladder feet, I went down. My fall was broken mostly by my left
>> hand. As I pushed myself up off the driveway, I felt a burning
>> sensation on palm side of my wrist. I looked down and BOTH arm bones
>> were protruding from the wrist and the tendons had pulled my "no
>> longer attached" hand up my forearm a few inches. I was rushed to
>> hospital and the next day underwent a 12 hour reconstructive surgery
>> to reattach hand, reposition the nerves so they could grow again, and
>> tendons. It was paralized for about 4 months before the main nerves
>> began to talk again, and about 8 years to stop healing fully. Today I
>> have 85 percent of my normal range of motion.
>>
>> The worst part is that I was a jass guitarist, and a damn good one. I
>> began playing guitar again in 2005 after 10 years, I've learned to
>> hold it differently to compensate, but now there is little time for
>> gigging as I have a family. I'm just grateful to play again.
>
>Typo, I meant jazz guitarist (not jass).
>
No, really, you meant jizz
--
geoff
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From: "Charley" <[email protected]>
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> investigation of his home and property.
>
> He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away from
> where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up over the front
> of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from falling off his back
> roof
> , but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from her...
Uh-huh
http://www.snopes.com/autos/mishaps/roofman.asp
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the sides,
uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is easy to style in
the morning.
on 9/15/2007 5:21 AM Gunner said the following:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:46:28 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> "Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>
>>>> It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>>> that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
>>>
>> (...you'll be sorry if you ask about the other parts...)
>>
>
>
> German, Finn and Black Irish.
>
> Gunner
>
I have two of yours, but I don't know what Black Irish is.
Mine is N Ireland Catholic.
The other German.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:46:28 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>>>> grateful
>>>>
>>>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
>>
>>(...you'll be sorry if you ask about the other parts...)
>
>
> German, Finn and Black Irish.
Yeah, they used to set fire to the Irish around here, too. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
> I have two of yours, but I don't know what Black Irish is.
> Mine is N Ireland Catholic.
> The other German.
Seems to be some question as to what it is
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a930730.html
Many years ago my grandmother told me that her grandfather's ethnicity was
"Black Irish." Recently I've heard three different explanations concerning
the origin of the term:
(1) It refers to a mixture of Irish and Spanish blood dating from the time
of the Spanish Armada, when many shipwrecked Spanish sailors were washed up
on the Irish coastline and wound up staying.
(2) It refers to a mixture of Irish and eastern European blood.
(3) It refers to a mixture of Irish and Italian blood from the time of the
Roman Empire.
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:54:36 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> So it was the Spanish given smallpox infected blankets to the
>> Indians
>> and paying bounties on scalps?
>
>By the time anybody started giving "smallpox infected blankets" to the
>Indians the indigenous population had already been decimated.
Hardly so.
Gunner
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:46:28 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>>> grateful
>>>
>>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
>
>(...you'll be sorry if you ask about the other parts...)
German, Finn and Black Irish.
Gunner
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:49:55 +0100, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>
>"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Gunner wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>>>
>>>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers brought to your shore. Was it
>>>>the Mayflower that was one of the first ships to land and populate that land?
>>>>
>>>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we made to it over the years.
>>>>Hence we talk the same language, but do not understand each other
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery,
>
>Oh for goodness sake you gave us Lloyd Grossman. Lets call it even.
>
errrr.....whoops..sorry about that....but you did give us Twiggy....
Gunner
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:44:17 -0700, Gunner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>> grateful
>>
>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>
>Im partially Ojibwa indian.
Do the Ojibwa have any casinos?
I know the Pechangas are tossing people out of the tribe left and
right - even with impeccable lineage research that goes back a few
hundred years - just because they didn't vote the right way on casino
related tribal elections. Cutting off casino profit participation
checks, throwing them out of schools and hospitals, out of houses on
tribal land, canceling health insurance...
--<< Bruce >>--
Gunner wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:49:55 +0100, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>
>
>>"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>>>>
>>>>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers brought to your shore. Was it
>>>>>the Mayflower that was one of the first ships to land and populate that land?
>>>>>
>>>>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we made to it over the years.
>>>>>Hence we talk the same language, but do not understand each other
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery,
>>
>>Oh for goodness sake you gave us Lloyd Grossman. Lets call it even.
>>
>
> errrr.....whoops..sorry about that....but you did give us Twiggy....
Who has turned out to be an everlasting beauty and a glam gran to boot :-)
Dave
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61##[email protected]> wrote
> In the flaming roof department. There is an ammusement park not far from
> me,
> that lost the hundred year old carousel (merry go round). Couple of
> roofers
> decided to warm up the tar on the roof with a torch, and it caught fire.
> They used an extinguisher or two, and the park is literally across the
> street from the volunteer FD.
There is a park near me that had (notice: had) a historic mansion that
was used as the county park system headquarters. Beautiful. They were
in the final stages of restoring it when some construction worker decided
to ignore the rules laid down in the contract and use a torch in the attic.
If I knew who it was I'd find him and strangle him with my bare hands.
nancy
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
<[email protected]> writes
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> John
>>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>
>>
>>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>
>>
>>--
>>geoff
>
>
>why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>
And you septics claim to understand English ?
--
geoff
Ken wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
Distant cousin of SWMBO was found dead in his workshop a couple of years
ago, and police originally treated it as suspicious. However, it
emerged that he'd disabled a safety feature on his industrial-grade
circular saw - I don't know the details but I think he somehow got
impaled on a length of wood he was cutting and bled to death before
being able to summon help.
David
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>>
> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have
> a handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an
> altercation with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair
> in a death grip and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By
> that time, she had torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
>
> The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
> shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
> to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half
> an inch long since.
>
> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
> hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with
> a buzz cut.
'Sounds wise to me. When I hear these stories I have to wonder why some
do-gooder group hasn't done PSAs on television showing how your scalp can
get peeled off if your hair is long and it gets caught in something.
Spiro Agnew would have liked those.
--
Ed Huntress
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
> phone for help?
Not a perfect sytem, but bett than nothing.
>
> May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
Why would an employee of a finance or mortgage company need that?
"mlcorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> I did some copy work for a forensic engineer that was investigating an
> accident where a carpenter, who had used Liquid Nails to secure a new
> sub floor, had ignited the trapped Liquid Nails vapors between the old
> floor and the new decking. The entire floor blew upward, propelling
> the carpenter into the ceiling, breaking his neck and killing him. He
> was using a nail gun that apparently struck another nail that created
> a spark.
> -Mike
>
That must've had a deleterious effect on his day.
I'm practicing for an understatement tournament. Wanna sponsor me? :-)
"Richard The Dreaded Libertarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:51:03 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> In article <[email protected]>, clifto <[email protected]>
>>>> The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in
>>>> today's world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a
>>>> well-regulated
>>>> militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
>>
>> Pure guesswork. You can make no such assumption with a nominative
>> absolute
>> construction. You need to know the context, and there is no context.
>
> The way I read it is, "Since it is necessary that the militia be
> well-regulated, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
> infringed.
>
> What this means that it is the duty of the well-armed citizenry to
> keep the militia from turning itself into a police state. In other
> words, it's the duty of the citizens to do the actual regulating.
>
> For example, when the militia man shows up with his squad and
> says, "We're going to confiscate all of your guns and burn all of
> your subversive books", you can lock and load, aim, look him in
> the eye, and say, "Guess again, bucko!"
>
> Unfortunately, these days it seems that too many people are willing
> to throw away their Liberty in exchange for the illusion of security.
I suppose that's as good an interpretation as any. One of the beauties of
the 2nd, and of many such sentences, is that you can read into it what you
want -- and it's clear that people do just that.
Taking into account what the FFs were trying to accomplish with the Bill of
Rights, I firmly believe that the 2nd was intended to be ambiguous, while,
at the same time, drawing attention to what was then the most uniformly
agreed upon argument in favor of a right to bear arms. After the
Revolutionary War, no state legislature would argue the point, and that was
the desired result.
But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R suggests
that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
--
Ed Huntress
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:47:55 -0400, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:56:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:49 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>geoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DIGAF -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
>>>>drivel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> May you give a lion indigestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
>>>>> domesticated animals ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
>>>>olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
>>>>you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
>>>>good. :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
>>>>> they are just too stupid to survive
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
>>>>sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I shall miss you window lickers ...
>>
>>
>>Thats a new one. Whats it mean in Turdish?
>>
>>Gunner
>
>From the "Urban Dictionary":
>1. window licker
>
> A retard who sits in the back of the sunshine bus, licking the window
>whilst staring at you
>
>
>2. window licker
>
> A mentally challenged person riding on "the short bus".
>
>aka: Adams or Negative Waves
>
>The window lickers on the short bus have faces pressed against the
>window with their tongues hanging out.
>
>
>3. window licker
>
> (derogatory) ~ sl.: euphemism for a person of mentally challenged
>status. Etymology: C20 - Derived from the stereotyped behaviour of
>mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into
>prolongued contact with the external windows of public or private
>transport on which they are seated.
>
>It is offensive and wrong to name a person people who is mentally
>challenged a 'window licker' or a 'retard'.
>
>
Wow! A great new discription of American Liberals!
Added to my overflowing dictionary!
Thanks!
Humm...I didnt know the Urban Dictionary translated into Turdish.
Cool!
Gunner
In message <[email protected]>, dg
<[email protected]> writes
>This happened so quickly that I really thought I had shot through my
>finger.
>The pain was intense, as was that feeling of sickness in my stomach
>and light headedness at the thought of having no finger.
>When Iooked, my finger tip was bloody and cut but in one piece.
>But it was a lesson for me to have greater respect for tools.
>dg
Somewhat related, but not altogether DIY.
My mother had to call in the vet to put her horse down, he was about 20
years old, the horse not the vet and was not too well with no chance of
improvement. So as not to confuse him too much the act was going to be
performed in front of his stable which is at the end of a 100yd private
road way. The horse was being led down the drive by my mother and the
vet was walking along behind carrying the humane killer, a cartridge gun
that fires a captive bolt. Very similar to a nail gun and has the same
sort of safety lock, it has to be pressed against a surface before it
will fire.
BANG!!!!!!!!!!!
Mother and horse turn around to see the vet on his knees holding both,
bloody, hands to his chest and not looking at all well.
What he had done was to walk along swinging his arms from side to side
while holding the humane killer. At some point the end of the killer had
hit the free hand and some how he managed to pull the trigger as well
putting the bolt through his hand.
Not as bad as it first appeared but no doubt painful and embarrassing
all the same.
Allegedly the horse had a smile on his face, but not for long.
--
Bill
"no spam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
> That's a very good idea. . .uh. . .just tell me where you live and I'll
> take all those dangerous things away for you. No charge at all.
They're in a dark and dank basement where no civilized person has been for
20 years. Even the meter-reader asks me to go read the meter for him.
--
Ed Huntress
let me guess-Texas A&M?
"alvaradotx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Hired a college boy for the summer to help roof. Gave him a 100' tape
and told him to measure the ridgeline on a 2 story house. Next thing I
know he is laying in the bushes at the end of the house. He had hooked
the tape to the gable end and started walking backwards. You can guess
the rest....
Ken wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
>
This from yesterday's "The Sunday Times Magazine" (London, UK), in an
article about clearing up the debris following the "Great Storm" of 1987:
"...In the hands of novices, chainsaws do not cream smoothly through
yielding timber~ they buck and twist like cats. The accidents were
horrific. Untrained men would hack at the upper branches of bent or
leaning trees, oblivious to the laws of physics. "There is a huge
tension when a tree falls," says Ray Hawes. "When people cut through
them and take the weight off the top, at a certain stage they will
spring back." The result is like a Roman ballista, except that the
missile catapulted 20 yards is not a rock but a human body with a
screaming chainsaw. In the worst case, recalled by Peter Creasey, the
Trusts head warden at Box Hill in Surrey, a man took the precaution of
harnessing himself to a bough. His tragedy was to choose the wrong tree
not the one he was sawing, but the one it was leaning against. The
ballista tore him apart."
David
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> I don't look this stuff up for fun, but if you doubt all this and want to
>> see some parallel examples, I'll dig out my grammar books. They have some
>> good ones.
>
> Actually, I'd love that. I saw these constructs so often in my early
> reading that they became ingrained; if I've missed something I wanna know.
>
> --
> If you really believe carbon dioxide causes global warming,
> you should stop exhaling.
Hokay. As I said, the construction is uncommon but you'll recognize these
familiar examples:
(From The American Heritage Book of English Usage, "Absolute Construction"):
"No other business arising, the meeting was adjourned."
"The paint now dry, we brought the furniture out on the deck."
"The truck finally loaded, they said goodbye to their neighbors and drove
off."
"The horse loped across the yard, her foal trailing behind her."
"The picnic is scheduled for Saturday, weather permitting."
"Barring bad weather, we plan to go to the beach tomorrow."
"All things considered, it's not a bad idea."
Note that in some of these, the ones about the horse and her foal and the
one about the picnic, the absolute phrase is almost, but not quite,
incidental. The foal did not restrict the horse from loping across the yard,
so far as we can tell. The weather may decide if we have the picnic, but it
doesn't change the fact that the picnic is scheduled for Saturday.
We brought the furniture out on the deck at least partly because the paint
was dry. We would not have done so if it wasn't, probably, so the dryness of
the paint in this case is logically (but not grammatically) restrictive. The
good idea is logically, but not grammatically, connected to the idea that we
have considered all things. It still would have been a good idea if we had
not considered all things, in all likelihood, but the sentence is ambiguous
on this point.
Is it clearing up? The nominative absolute allows a variety of logical
connections between the phrase and the clause.
(Here's one I picked up online):
"High heels clattering on the pavement, the angry women marched toward the
mayor's office."
The women were marching regardless of whether their heels were clattering.
I hope this is enough to satisfy what you're looking for. I should point out
that the nominative absolute is a slightly controversial issue to
grammarians, but it may appear that way because some don't like the fact
that it's derived from Latin, in which the parallel to the English
nominative absolute is the "ablative absolute," and it really works better
in Latin than in English.
In English, the construction has always been rare. Linguists say it started
when early literary writers tried to adopt Latin constructions. John Milton
used in heavily in _Paradise Lost_. But it has never, otherwise, been
common.
Why the FFs used it is a good question. It's a literary device whose meaning
depends on context. But the 2nd has no context. My guess, after years of
studying it, is that it was an intentional ambiguity.
You probably noticed that Gunner made a point of the commas, which many
writers have done over the years. The commas would be an issue if the
grammatical question was whether the phrase is restrictive or not. But
that's not the issue. Absolute constructions -- the nominative absolute, in
this case -- have no grammatical relationship to the rest of their
sentences. They have various logical connections but "absolute" means they
are grammatically self-contained, or not connected. Once it's absolute,
there is no "restrictive" or "unrestrictive."
The point is that the commas don't matter. If the sentence of the 2nd
Amendment were written today, we would not use the first comma, but the
meaning would be identical to the original. The use of such "ear-based"
commas has declined but the meaning remains the same.
I have some definitions of nominative absolute that may help but I hope the
examples clear it up.
--
Ed Huntress
> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
> from a hand.
Nice...
I've got two I can recount, but they're not strictly handyman
accidents.
When I was serving my apprenticeship, we did a bit of practical and a
bit of workshop - one of the lads in our year managed to lose a finger
while working on a lathe. I think he made the mistake of continuing to
use it while turning around to talk to someone...
The other was an office accident, and this might top them all (sadly)
This happened either just before I started orvery shortly afterwards
in another local office (now closed). We had some work experience kids
in with varying levels of handicap, and someone thought it would be
safe to let one of these kids use the shredder. Not even the
manufacturer believed you could get a whole hand in that far :-/
> Uh, what does "the number of murders by gun crime" have to do with
> "letting the mentally ill own firearms"? Are you suggesting that
> committing murder is prima facie evidence that one is mentally ill?
> If not then what are you suggesting?
A normal level-headed person doesn't commit murder unless they're sick
- or perhaps to use an old phrase, criminally insane.
Being "mentally ill" can come about in a variety of ways, such as
stress in work / being sacked (going postal), and maybe a little
mentally disturbed, i.e. finding your wife in bed with the neighbour -
having a gun available in these circumstances is likely to lead to a
more permanent ending than, say, a good punch up.
Most gun crime against kids in the UK is not perpetrated by other kids
(although the stats are getting worse) - whereas in the US it's pretty
much endemic.
> Funny thing, disregarding sports and target practice, most of my ammo
> expended was for other purposes than killing. Probably have used a gun
> as a drill more often than to kill something ;)
Sounds like you're even more of a botcher at DIY than me, and that
takes some doing !
PS: how the hell did this end up in so many groups ? - i'm restricting
any further replies from myself to uk.d-i-y
"dg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 8 Sep, 05:52, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> This one really shook me up.
>
> I was using a Paslode (gas) nail gun on some decking. I had to hold a
> small piece of timber against the side of joist, in order to nail it
> with the gun. I was working kneeling downwards, a bit uncomfortable,
> with the gun horizontal in a bit of a confined space. Basically doing
> everything wrong.
>
> I fired the gun, and the nail went in. But in a split second the gun
> recoiled, and as I was pushing it against the timber it went forward
> and across slightly and the tip squashed hard against my index
> finger.
>
> This happened so quickly that I really thought I had shot through my
> finger.
>
> The pain was intense, as was that feeling of sickness in my stomach
> and light headedness at the thought of having no finger.
>
> When Iooked, my finger tip was bloody and cut but in one piece.
>
> But it was a lesson for me to have greater respect for tools.
>
> dg
At first I didn't like this thread. But your last sentence sums up my
realization that it might help me to avoid an accident I never want to have.
Everybody here has probably said at some point, in hindsight, "gosh, that
(thing I did) was really stupid".
To safety---cheers!
Bill
In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
<[email protected]> writes
>
>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R suggests
>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>
blah blah
excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
--
geoff
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> nick hull wrote:
>>
>> | Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF
>> | THE ABOVE ;)
>>
>> I can't resist asking...
>>
>> How much have you actually done to get the qualified candidate of your
>> choice onto the ballot?
>>
> The <qualified> people Don't Want the job. The only way to get qualified
> people for most high government positions would be to draft them. Almost
> by definition, if you WANT the position of power, you probably can't be
> trusted not to abuse it.
As active as this thread is, could you take it to an appropriate group - or
at least change the subject line. Please?
J. Clarke wrote:
>
> It's not the man in the street that starts wars, it's the government.
>
Saddam Hussein was sitting in his office wondering who to invade next when his
telephone rang.
"Hallo! Mr. Hussein," a heavily accented voice said. "This is Paddy down in
County Cavan, Ireland. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially
declaring war on you."
"Well, Paddy," Saddam replied, "This is indeed important news. Tell me, how big
is your army?"
"At this moment in time," said Paddy after a moment's calculation, "there is
meself, my cousin Sean, my next door neighbour Gerry, and the entire dominoes
team from the pub -- that makes eight."
Saddam sighed. "I must tell you Paddy that I have one million men in my army
waiting to move on my command."
"Begorra!" said Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, the next day Paddy rang back. "Right Mr. Hussein, the war is still
on. We have managed to acquire some equipment."
"And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Saddam asked.
"Well, we have two combine harvesters, a bulldozer and Murphy's tractor from the
farm."
Once more Saddam sighed. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 16,000 tanks,
14,000 armoured personnel carriers, and my army has increased to one and a half
million since we last spoke."
"Really?" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back."
Paddy rang again the next day. "Right, Mr. Hussein, the war is still on. We have
managed to get ourselves airborne. We've modified Ted's ultra-light with a
couple of rifles in the cockpit, and the bridge team has joined us as well."
Saddam was silent for a minute, then sighed. "I must tell you Paddy that I have
10,000 bombers, 20,000 MiG-19 attack planes, my military complex is surrounded
by laser-guided surface-to-air missile sites, and since we last spoke, my army
has increased to two million men."
"Faith and begorra!" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back."
Sure enough, Paddy called again the next day. "Right, Mr. Hussein, I am sorry to
tell you that we have had to call off the war."
"I'm sorry to hear that," said Saddam. "Why the sudden change of heart?"
"Well," said Paddy, "We've all had a chat, and there's no way we can feed two
million prisoners."
"F. George McDuffee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> <snip>
>>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
> <snip>
>
> This is simply another red herring for a yet another "gun grab."
>
> The idea of armed and trained citizens united in well-regulated
> and organized local militia units strikes terror in the hearts of
> politicians and political functionaries everywhere.
Oh, I doubt that. Is there some historical support for that, say, in the
first years after our independence? There sure were plenty of armed citizens
around.
Say, George, have you gotten any surprise calls from the NRA lately? I got
one last evening, intended for my wife. How they got her on the list I'll
never know. It was either AARP or the NJ Education Association. <g>
Anyway, this sweet young thing named Angel asked if I had time to hear from
Wayne and I said sure, I hadn't talked to him in nearly 20 years and it
would be a pleasure. Wayne came on the phone and started talking but he
didn't let up when I talked back. He acted as if he didn't even hear me. I
guess we had a bad connection.
Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful. If I
heard him correctly it allows registered Democrats to slit my throat and
disembowel me if I'm caught with a gun, or something like that. Anyway,
Wayne was talking a mile a minute (the guy still has *some* energy) and then
he left. Another sweet young thing came back on and seemed surprised that I
was still there. She said she needed for me to take out a five-year
membership for the limited-time price of $100. I started to tell her about
why I had not renewed my NRA membership but it obviously didn't interest
her, so I changed the subject. I wanted to know how everybody at HQ was
doing, and how the gun-rights battle is going.
I don't think she was equipped to answer that but she filled in by offering
me something if I re-upped; it sounded like some kind of Swiss Army knife. I
haven't had one of those so I was intrigued. Then she threw in the real coup
de grace: a gen-you-wine, rosewood-handled NRA knife. This excited me. I
didn't even wait to hear if it was a sheath knife or a folding knife. I just
pictured myself whipping out a knife with "NRA" on the side at a client
meeting in NYC, cleaning my fingernails with it while discussing market
shares or something.
So I told her OK. This appeared to nearly knock her off her seat. I had my
choice of magazines (no Playboy, unfortunately, and they didn't offer
Harper's or Mother Jones), so I went for trusty old _American Rifleman_.
It's time for me to catch up on the new technology, especially those
1,000-yard woodchuck guns. I could sit on a hill near hear and cover half
the county with one of those, which may be just a fantasy but it's something
that definitely would be easier on my legs than walking all over hell. I
would have scoffed at those things 20 years ago but no more. I'm tired of
walking.
Before she hung up she asked if I wanted to contribute another $15
specifically to take out a political contract on Hillary. I told her don't
push it.
I wonder how long before I get the Swiss Army thingie and the real prize, my
NRA knife? I can't wait.
--
Ed Huntress
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>
>
>>I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>short...
>>
>
> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have a
> handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an altercation
> with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair in a death grip
> and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By that time, she had
> torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
>
> The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
> shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
> to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half an
> inch long since.
>
> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
> hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with a
> buzz cut.
I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of the
hair that can not be grabbed/held.
Most police officers in the UK have the same short cut, for the same
reasons.
Dave
Lobster wrote:
> Owain wrote:
>
>> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>>
>>> I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
>>> youngster. :-)
>>
>>
>> We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.
>
>
> Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids
Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came in?
Dave
About 20 years ago, when I was in the US Navy, I was stationed on a LSD
(Landing Ship Dock). We had a yound machinest that had a string of stupid
mistake, and one too many.
- He was trying to cut a wrag in half by pulling the knife towards him,
knife went thru the rag and slipped into and through his right nostril. Nice
fillet job.
- Next, he used the same knife to attempt tochang a fuze to the power source
for a piece of machinery he was trying to operate. He used it to pry out the
440V 20A fuze and welded the knife and the fuze panel together.
- Final and best was when he needed to drill a small hole in a short board.
He didn't have a vise in the part of the shop he was in so he put the board
on his lap. He was sitting on one of those old military cloth covered
stools. He put his weight on the 1/2 " drive drill, and the bit went thru
the board, his pants, his underwear, his scrotum, back out thru all of them
then into the bottom of the stool. As any of you that have tried to drill
thru cloth know, it likes to twist up on the bit. The Chief corpsman and I
were walking by and heard him scream. After he analyzed the problem. the
Chief corpsman gave me the choice, hold the mans scrotum in place or
manually back out the drill. I chose the drill. It is hard to believe how
much blood can come out of 2 small holes and a couple of tears in a scrotum
nor how much one person can scream. After recovery he was discharged for the
good of the navy.
"Ken" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
>
In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>suggests
>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>
>> blah blah
>>
>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>
>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>
Another stupid septic ...
--
geoff
"al" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I posted a question earlier about the feasibility of using two step
> ladders and a board for scaffolding... I think I've changed my mind
> about trying that ;)
I missed your question, but I've done that many times. I don't recommend it
unless you're really careful. On most surfaces you'll still want to either:
1) nail a brace to the wall you're working on, C-clamped or whatever to one
or both of the stepladders; or 2) prop the stepladders with a long 2 x 4
from behind. I put a stake in the ground, nail the 2 x 4 to it, and clamp
the 2 x 4 to the stepladder. I use two braces, one to each stepladder.
Using stepladders that way has long been a way to set up a low scaffold, but
you'd better have good balance and not try to get too high with it. It does
work, however. Using the braces slows the whole process down. It's a
question of how you feel about broken bones.
I've also built homemade scaffolds and it's a real PITA, in my opinion. I
use 2 x 4s for the verticals and 1" electrical conduit for diagonals. Never
count on those diagonals to handle compressive loads; use two, crossbraced,
so the load is always in tension.
The slickest solution I've used is two regular ladders with ladder hooks for
a scaffold plank. I'll go up about ten feet with that, but no higher. Again,
you want to nail a brace to the wall. Use a short plank or else make sure
you're using genuine scaffold plank, which is undressed and thicker than
framing planks.
--
Ed Huntress
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>raden wrote:
>>
>> In message <[email protected]>,
>> nick hull <[email protected]> writes
>> >
>> >Free men own guns
>>
>> And dead people are the result
>
>
> Only if you're a good shot.
>
Ah, that's why they are allowed in Septicstan
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>, Dave Gordon
<d@p.?.invalid> writes
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61##[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Warning: Do not use lawn mower as a hedge trimmer. Do not use lawn mower
>> while intoxicated, asleep, or moronic."
>>
>> --
>> .
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
>> http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
>> .
>> "John A. Weeks III" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> :
>> : When I was in school in the early 80's, I had a friend who had a
>> : job entering consumer product lawsuits into a database that was
>> : to be used as part of a research project. It was amazing reading
>> : some of these lawsuit summaries. Using a lawnmower as a hedge
>> : trimmer is actually a fairly common thing. A few beers beforehand
>> : always seems to make it look like a better idea. In the case
>> : that I read, the person got hurt badly. He sued the lawnmower
>> : manufacture and won some big money. The court ruled that the
>> : company was at fault because they didn't have any labels on the
>> : mower or any text in the owners manual that specifically said
>> : to not do that. That was said as if someone dumb enough to do
>> : such a thing would either read the manual or take the advice
>> : of a warning label.
>> :
>> : -john-
>
>How big would the manual have to be to tell that retard all the things
>he should not use his lawnmower
>for.
>"Do not cut your finger nails with this device"
>"Do not cut your hair with this device"
>"This is not an extractor fan"
>
His god will save him
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>,
nick hull <[email protected]> writes
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>
>Free men own guns
And dead people are the result
--
geoff
Gunner wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:56:31 +0100, Colin Wilson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
> >> >for guns keeping crime down...
> >> With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
> >> points.
> >
> >You really are a dumb gun fanatic looking for an excuse.
> >
> >The figures are per thousand people of population. This takes into
> >account the population difference.
>
> You left out "by other means"
>
> Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?
>
> Gunner
Sure! He's another liar, like Hawkie.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:29:36 +0100, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>>>
>>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment is
>>>>an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
>>>>militia.
>>>
>Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".
Define well regulated and militia in the terms of year it was laid on
paper.
Try the Oxford Dictionary of 1788
Gunner
Colin Wilson wrote:
>> You left out "by other means"
>> Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?
>
> I see no reason to bother continuing with your feeble arguments -
> your
> murder rate is three times higher despite your attempts to say gun
> ownership prevents crime.
And what would it be if guns in the US were banned? That's the point
you miss--you assume that if the US had laws similar to those in
whatever workers paradise you inhabit then the homicide rate would
also be similar. But you have no evidence to support that contention.
--
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:07:01 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:20:38 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> United States Code 13
>>>>
>>>> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>>>>
>>>> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
>>>> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
>>>> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
>>>> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
>>>> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
>>>> National Guard.
>>>> (b) The classes of the militia are-
>>>> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
>>>> the Naval Militia; and
>>>> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
>>>> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
>>>> Militia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
>>>the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National
>>>Guard'.
>>>I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
>>>National Guard, are not members of a militia.
>>>That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
>>>(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
>>>
>>> From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
>>>
>>>"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
>>>interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
>>>difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
>>>their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
>>>small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
>>>and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
>>>muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
>>>younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
>>>physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
>>>Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
>>>first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
>>>
>>>Bring on more insults.
>>
>> http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/1st2nd5882.jpg.html
>>
>>
>> Since you wish to make claims regarding the 18th century....
>>
>> I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
>> few public officials."
>> - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
>> Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
>> Militia
>>
>> "The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,
>> ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
>> - "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either
>> Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).
>>
>> "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
>> we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall
>> have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
>> terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American
>> ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the
>> federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever
>> remain, in the hands of the People."
>> - Tench Coxe, 1788.
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/predict2_s.jpg
>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5320-2/freedom.jpg
>>
>>
>> Oh..btw...the 45yr age restriction is unlawful, according to Federal
>> ADA laws.
>>
>> In practice..the age restriction is ignored. Keep in mind that in
>> 1778...45 yrs of age was close to the average life expectancy, so that
>> was considered close to elderly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh..something else you should read...
>>
>> "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things
>> have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to
>> make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If
>> during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in
>> their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door
>> and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had
>> nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
>> of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at
>> hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
>> officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed
>> machine would have ground to a halt."
>> - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag
>> Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_gulag.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_monopoly.jpg
>>
>>
>> Since you have difficulties with written word....perhaps pictures may
>> be of assistance to you...
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_order.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_racist.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_colors3.jpg
>>
>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5329-2/defender.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_how.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_rob.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_grenades.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_irs.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg
>>
>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
>
>Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
>going to be a bumpy ride...
So presenting verifyable data points to counter raw emotionalism from
my opponents is somehow a bad thing?
Gunner
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:56:31 +0100, Colin Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
>> >for guns keeping crime down...
>> With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
>> points.
>
>You really are a dumb gun fanatic looking for an excuse.
>
>The figures are per thousand people of population. This takes into
>account the population difference.
You left out "by other means"
Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?
Gunner
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:07:01 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:20:38 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> United States Code 13
>>>>>
>>>>> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
>>>>> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
>>>>> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
>>>>> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
>>>>> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
>>>>> National Guard.
>>>>> (b) The classes of the militia are-
>>>>> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
>>>>> the Naval Militia; and
>>>>> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
>>>>> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
>>>>> Militia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
>>>>the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National
>>>>Guard'.
>>>>I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
>>>>National Guard, are not members of a militia.
>>>>That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
>>>>(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
>>>>
>>>> From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
>>>>
>>>>"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
>>>>interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
>>>>difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
>>>>their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
>>>>small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
>>>>and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
>>>>muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
>>>>younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
>>>>physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
>>>>Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
>>>>first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
>>>>
>>>>Bring on more insults.
>>>
>>> http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/1st2nd5882.jpg.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you wish to make claims regarding the 18th century....
>>>
>>> I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
>>> few public officials."
>>> - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
>>> Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
>>> Militia
>>>
>>> "The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,
>>> ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
>>> - "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either
>>> Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).
>>>
>>> "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
>>> we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall
>>> have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
>>> terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American
>>> ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the
>>> federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever
>>> remain, in the hands of the People."
>>> - Tench Coxe, 1788.
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/predict2_s.jpg
>>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5320-2/freedom.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh..btw...the 45yr age restriction is unlawful, according to Federal
>>> ADA laws.
>>>
>>> In practice..the age restriction is ignored. Keep in mind that in
>>> 1778...45 yrs of age was close to the average life expectancy, so that
>>> was considered close to elderly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh..something else you should read...
>>>
>>> "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things
>>> have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to
>>> make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If
>>> during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in
>>> their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door
>>> and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had
>>> nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
>>> of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at
>>> hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
>>> officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed
>>> machine would have ground to a halt."
>>> - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag
>>> Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_gulag.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_monopoly.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you have difficulties with written word....perhaps pictures may
>>> be of assistance to you...
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_order.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_racist.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_colors3.jpg
>>>
>>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5329-2/defender.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_how.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_rob.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_grenades.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_irs.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
>>
>>Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
>>going to be a bumpy ride...
>
> So presenting verifyable data points to counter raw emotionalism from
> my opponents is somehow a bad thing?
That depends on whether you like your rides bumpy. d8-)
Don't get grumpy, Gunner. I just know what's coming, and it could be a
beaut. If it were me I'd list all the citations from US v Emerson, 5th
Circuit Court of Appeals, and expect responses in November or so. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>
(((snip)
> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>
> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
>
Well, being in high school, he probably hadn't reproduced yet. So this
counts as interfering with natural selection?
aem sends...
In message <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> writes
>>> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
>>> because?
>>>
>>>> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
>>>> easily
>>>> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
>>>> their
>>>> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could
>>>> prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
>>>> responsible person.
>>>> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country
>>>> where
>>>> the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
>>>> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
>>>> crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.
>>>
>>> Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all this
>>> "easy identification" that does not create another huge government
>>> beaurocracy.
>>>
>> Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?
>
>Hey, ask the stupid Brit that just couldn't resist stirring the
>anthill.
>
I'm sitting here with a beer having a good laugh at you
It's just so easy
Ha ha
YTC
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>,
nick hull <[email protected]> writes
>In article <[email protected]>, raden <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> Sport aside, guns are there to kill
>
>Funny thing, disregarding sports and target practice, most of my ammo
>expended was for other purposes than killing. Probably have used a gun
>as a drill more often than to kill something ;)
>
Right tool for the right job, eh ?
--
geoff
Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Kurt Ullman wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the
>>>>Second
>>>>Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the
>>>>copies
>>>>I
>>>>EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And
>>>>read
>>>>my first post above again.
>>>
>>>
>>>Amendment II
>>>
>>>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>>State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>>>infringed.
>>
>>
>>That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms shall
>>not
>>be infringed.
>
>
> But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
> succinctly. You conveniently ignore that. The right of the people to
> bear arms flows from the necessity of a well-regulated militia. There is
> a hierarchy here in the flow and ordering of the statements concerning
> how and why the rights are bestowed by the constitution.
The "militia" consisted of all able bodied men. It was not limited to a
government-sponsored military force.
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>raden wrote:
>>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>> <[email protected]> writes
>> >
>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
>> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
>> >then I am all for it.
>> >
>> Do you understand nurfink?
>
>
> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>state.
>
One of the more sensible laws we have
--
geoff
willshak wrote:
> on 9/14/2007 6:52 PM clifto said the following:
>
>> willshak wrote:
>>
>>> on 9/13/2007 10:17 AM clifto said the following:
>>>
>>>> willshak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B > said the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in the 50's there was a singing group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>> The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I
>>>>> don't know if that was by the Crew Cuts
>>>>
>>>> "Sh-Boom"
>>>
>>> Right!
>>
>> Yadadadadadadadadadaaaaa
>
> I even had the lyric wrong. It's "Life could be a dream".
>
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmEGEmUBJUI
You're welcome.
"Ken" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far
I've had small cuts on my fingers a few times. Otherwise, being careful has
worked for the best part of half a century since I started doing DIY.
Colin Bignell
"Ken" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
>
You don't need all sorts of high tech camping accessories to start a fire if
you run out of matches.
Brought home a new plunge router and decided to play with it on some scrap
wood in the garage. In the manual, I got as far as a page where it described
which direction the router should be moved for certain types of work.
Figured these were just fine points to be concerned with later.
Turns out a router in the hands of an amateur will toss burning bits of wood
for quite a distance. Some of those chips will be smart enough to land in
the kindling box, or on plastic web chairs. :-) Fortunately, the fire
extinguisher was just a few feet away.
"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>
>>
>
> Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
> had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
> one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
> him, "What happened to you?"
> The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>
> Yikes
>
> 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
> ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>
> Didn't have long hair very much after that.
Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>> > Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > Amendment II
>> >> >
>> >> > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>> >> > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
>> >> > infringed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms
>> >> shall
>> >> not
>> >> be infringed.
>> >
>> > But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
>> > succinctly. You conveniently ignore that.
>>
>> What you're ignoring is that the entire first part of that is commentary.
>> The actual meat of the amendment says simply and eloquently, "the right
>> of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> Nope. The first part of the amendment is a well regulated militia. It
> is mentioned first, not as an add on, not as an afterthought, but as the
> introductory clause of the piece.
It's not a clause. No predicate. It's a nominative absolute phrase.
> It sets out HOW and WHY it must not be
> infringed.
See my message to clifto. You can make no such assumptions.
> The context of when infringement takes place. It sets limits.
It could just as well set a sufficient but not necessary condition, which,
after decades of studying it, is exactly what I think was intended.
> If you want to include the last part, you can't pretend that the first
> doesn't exist.
Neither can you draw any conclusions about what relationship it has to the
clause just from the sentence itself.
>
>>
>> The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in today's
>> world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a
>> well-regulated
>> militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
Pure guesswork. You can make no such assumption with a nominative absolute
construction. You need to know the context, and there is no context.
--
Ed Huntress
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:49 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
><[email protected]> writes
>>geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> DIGAF -
>>
>>
>> Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
>>drivel.
>>
>>
>>>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
>>
>>
>> May you give a lion indigestion.
>>
>>
>>> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
>>> domesticated animals ?
>>
>>
>> WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
>>olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
>>you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
>>good. :(
>>
>>
>>> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
>>> they are just too stupid to survive
>>>
>>> --
>>> geoff
>>
>>
>> That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
>>sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
>>
>>
>I shall miss you window lickers ...
Thats a new one. Whats it mean in Turdish?
Gunner
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:56:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:49 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>geoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DIGAF -
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
>>>drivel.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
>>>
>>>
>>> May you give a lion indigestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
>>>> domesticated animals ?
>>>
>>>
>>> WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
>>>olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
>>>you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
>>>good. :(
>>>
>>>
>>>> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
>>>> they are just too stupid to survive
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
>>>sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
>>>
>>>
>>I shall miss you window lickers ...
>
>
>Thats a new one. Whats it mean in Turdish?
>
>Gunner
From the "Urban Dictionary":
1. window licker
A retard who sits in the back of the sunshine bus, licking the window
whilst staring at you
2. window licker
A mentally challenged person riding on "the short bus".
aka: Adams or Negative Waves
The window lickers on the short bus have faces pressed against the
window with their tongues hanging out.
3. window licker
(derogatory) ~ sl.: euphemism for a person of mentally challenged
status. Etymology: C20 - Derived from the stereotyped behaviour of
mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into
prolongued contact with the external windows of public or private
transport on which they are seated.
It is offensive and wrong to name a person people who is mentally
challenged a 'window licker' or a 'retard'.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Adrian C wrote:
> Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>> Let's guess...you're researching for another of these dumbed-down,
>> sensationalist TV programmes?
>>
>
> Hmmm... Researcher of some kind ;-)
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author%3Alavrulr111%40hotmail.com>
>
> Good topic, but which ones are the real DIY stories? ;-)
>
> However, for those who haven't seen it before we must nonetheless
> highlight the expanding foam story in this crosspost.
>
> <http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/humour.html#foam>
That just has to be the funniest thing I've ever read :-)
--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
<[email protected]> writes
>On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>
>>Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>
>>>
>>>Free men own guns
>>
>>And dead people are the result
>
>
>Dead bad people for the most part.
>
>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>
Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
--
geoff
Gunner wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:52:31 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> "Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> This happened either just before I started orvery shortly afterwards
>>> in another local office (now closed). We had some work experience kids
>>> in with varying levels of handicap, and someone thought it would be
>>> safe to let one of these kids use the shredder. Not even the
>>> manufacturer believed you could get a whole hand in that far :-/
>> Yikes. Over this past weekend some guy was killed when his
>> shirt became entangled with a stump grinder being operated by
>> some tree company. No word on why the homeowner was
>> hanging around so close to the activity that he could get his
>> shirt caught.
>>
>
> I wonder if they still sent a bill to the house?
What, for cleaning the stump grinder, you mean?
David
"Ed Huntress" wrote
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
>
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have a
handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an altercation
with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair in a death grip
and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By that time, she had
torn much of his scalp loose from his head.
The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half an
inch long since.
He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with a
buzz cut.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> "Warning: Do not use lawn mower as a hedge trimmer. Do not use lawn mower
> while intoxicated, asleep, or moronic."
--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
Should that have read:
"...while intoxicated, asleep, or mormonic." ?
David
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:52:53 -0700, Ken <[email protected]>
wrote:
>What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>unfortunately went wrong.
The guy who owned the house two doors over from me was going to paint
his house himself. He first decided to do a bang up A-number one job
of stripping the old paint by blistering it with a torch and scrapping
it to the bare wood.
So I am sitting in my den with the windows open when this big cloud of
thick smoke blows past, I go "wtf was that?", and step outside to
see............ta da.......he has set his house on fire and the roof
is fully engulfed.
Dave
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:07:56 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>>ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>
>>Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>
>>Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>
>I don't own a gun, nor do I want to
Stockholm Syndrome at its worst.
>
>not owning one doesn't make me feel oppressed
And you lick the hand that binds you as well...
>
>Hey one - nill to England against Russia
Whatever that ment.
Gunner
>He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away from
>where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up over the front
>of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from falling off his back roof
>, but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from her. She
>decided to go shopping and went out, got in the car, and drove off. As she
>drove away the rope pulled him up over the peak of his house at such
>velocity that he didn't land until he reached some very large bushes near
>the end of his driveway. She then dragged him out through the bushes and
>down the street for almost 2 blocks before noticing that he was behind her.
>(Yes, she was a blonde...if that counts.) As best as we could tell he had 1
>broken leg and 1 broken arm, 3 or 4 broken ribs, a concussion, and some very
>severe road rash over his back, one side of his face, both legs and both
>arms. I heard later that he spent 2 days in the hospital, but I never heard
>any more about him.
>
>In my opinion it was his own fault for not telling his wife where he was
>working and for not taking her car keys away from her, but at the time of
>his accident he was very upset with her and blaming her for all of it. I
>have often wondered if they are still married.
>
>Let this be a lesson to all of you - If you have to use a rope to do your
>high maintenance repairs, make sure you tie it to something that isn't going
>to drive away.
>
Blimey!, you couldn't make that up!......
--
Tony Sayer
Dave Gordon wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>> Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
>> equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
>> of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
>> with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
>> cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
>> sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.
>>
> Yow! Couldn't they just, kinda, lift him off? Gently.
>
>
Just in case anyone ever is confronted with such a situation impaled
objects are never removed in the field. The are cut to a size that can
be transported with the patient and immobilized in place with a rather
massive dressing. The patient is then transported to the nearest trauma
center were the impaled object is surgically removed with very large
amounts of blood on hand. Removing an impaled object in the field will
do as much or more damage as the object did going in and can result in
catastrophic bleeding.
The only impaled objects that are not imobilized are those that have
penetrated the pericardium and are moving with each beat of the heart.
I have only seen one such case in twenty five years as an Emergency
Medical Technician.
--
Tom Horne
"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>>
>> How big would the manual have to be to tell that retard all the things he
>> should not use his lawnmower for.
>> "Do not cut your finger nails with this device"
>> "Do not cut your hair with this device"
>> "This is not an extractor fan"
>>
> I teach HS wood shop. While most of my kids are pretty good, some are
> dumber than a bucket of rocks. A few years back (thank God it was in
> another teacher's class, not mine) one boy, an emo, had long fingernails.
> He thought it would be "cool" to cut a notch in his nail on his pointer
> finger, right hand. Sort of like a snakes tongue. He decided to use the
> big Powermatic band saw. He ended up splitting his finger right up to the
> first joint. Dumb.
>
> Last year I caught two who were doing something almost as dumb. Anothe
> kid was turning a handle for a gavel out of walnut. The piece broke and
> he through the parts in the scrap bucket and started over. Two of my more
> "genius" kids saw the piece and thought it would make a pretty ornate hash
> pipe. The waited until they thought I wasn't looking and the one was
> holding the handle vertically in his hands while the other was preparing
> to bore through it with the drill press. Fortunately I caught them before
> they turned on the DP.
>
> If you ever work in a HS shop, believe me, you will soon learn the meaning
> of stupid!
>
It goes with youth. We were all there at some point - thought we knew
better, or thought we knew it all. It's a rite of passage thing. That's
why experienced people mentor inexperienced people. My only question is why
the experienced people talk about the inexperienced ones as if it's some
surprise, or as if it's something unique. You really expected something
different/smarter out of people at this stage of life?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Ed Huntress wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
>> >> cut
>> >> short...
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ed Huntress
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents
>> > and
>> > had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the
>> > store
>> > one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
>> > him, "What happened to you?"
>> > The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>> >
>> > Yikes
>> >
>> > 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't
>> > gonna
>> > ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>> >
>> > Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>>
>> Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
>> doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
>
>
> They were smart enough to keep short hair back then, when common
> sense, was still common.
Most of my machining books contain warnings about tucking your tie inside of
your dress shirt, and covering it all up with a shop coat.
--
Ed Huntress
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SteveB wrote:
>
> | You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
>
> Which of the three newsgroups you posted to is "this newsgroup"?
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>
Well, I guess that would be the three where this inane discussion is taking
place, wouldn't it?
Steve
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:00:16 GMT, CJT <[email protected]> wrote:
>dg wrote:
>
>> On 8 Sep, 05:52, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>>accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>>it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>>unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>I shot a staple through my finger once. That was bad enough. I think
>I know the feeling you describe.
Not entirely DIY, as I was a mechanic doing my job when it happened.
Had to rmove the pitman arm on an old Dodge van, and it was not
co-operating. I decided to use the air hammer to "persuade"it to come
off. I'm right handed, but needed to hold the air hammer in my left
hand to get it where it needed to be. Right hand up there to support
myself in that clumsy position. I learned never to use air hammers in
a clumsy position when the hammer slipped, and in a split second hit 3
fingers on my right hand. One Many times. One finger badly bruised,
one finger tip broken in 3 places, and one finger tip turned to bone
meal. I was off work completely for 8 weeks, and on light duty, with
the crushed finger in a "bird cage" for another 12 weeks. Finally got
a nail back on that finger about 2 years later. It reminds me of my
stupidity every time it gets cold.
Thankfully the joint was NOT damaged, on either finger. Everything
works fine 18 years or so later, with the one finger tip markedly
wider than all the others.
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"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>
> Wearing school uniform in the UK equivalent of Workshop 101. Got my tie
> wrapped round the lathe, and it was too short for me to reach the kill
> switch.
> After that we could take our ties off in the workshop.
In recent years it would be mandatory to remove a tie. Makes you wonder
what they were thinking. Or they were not thinking.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>> short...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
>> had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
>> one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
>> him, "What happened to you?"
>> The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>>
>> Yikes
>>
>> 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
>> ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>>
>> Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>
>Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
>doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
--
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Ed Huntress wrote:
> I don't look this stuff up for fun, but if you doubt all this and want to
> see some parallel examples, I'll dig out my grammar books. They have some
> good ones.
Actually, I'd love that. I saw these constructs so often in my early
reading that they became ingrained; if I've missed something I wanna know.
--
If you really believe carbon dioxide causes global warming,
you should stop exhaling.
In message <[email protected]>, Dave
<[email protected]> writes
>raden wrote:
>
>> In message <[email protected]>,
>>nick hull <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>>>> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>>>>
>>>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>>>
>>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my
>>>>hair cut
>>>> short...
>>>
>>>
>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>
>>>
>>> Free men own guns
>> And dead people are the result
>
>In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
>ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
>then I am all for it.
>
Do you understand nurfink?
--
geoff
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:16:07 +0900, [email protected]
(Jerome Meekings) wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
>> which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
>> murder.
>
>The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
>1) the nutters can get them more easily.
>2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
>3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
>mistake much too often.
>4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
>
>And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is that
>with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the person you
>injure/kill.
>
>But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be easily
>identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for their
>use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could prove
>that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable responsible
>person.
>Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where the
>law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
>However if it could be achieved the level of gun related crime/accidents
>would drop at an amazing rate.
Pray tell...how would you accomplish this?
There are a bit more than 300,000,000 firearms in the US.
Think our people will simply turn them in or register them?
Snicker..think again
Gunner
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:41:43 +0100, Colin Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> You left out "by other means"
>> Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?
>
>I see no reason to bother continuing with your feeble arguments - your
>murder rate is three times higher despite your attempts to say gun
>ownership prevents crime.
What you seem to be missing, laddyboyo..is that when gun ownership was
totally unrestricted in the UK and the US..the murder rate was even
lower in both countries.
London reported (1) firearms murder in 1890, when firearms were
readily available at any hardware store and any self respecting gent
or lady didnt leave home without one.
If one removes the gang murders between minority groups competing for
drug territory..the murder rate between the UK and the US falls to
just within a few points.
So if its not the availiblity of firearms that is the root cause of
the problem..and thats been demonstrated aptly by many nations,
including Switzerland..it has to be something else.
"Its the culture, stupid", or the culture of groups within the
society.
You can blither all you wish, but guns cause crime like flies cause
garbage.
Gunner
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
> work shed or pick up a tool!
I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...
--
Ed Huntress
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:05 +0100, Colin Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>
>So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
>for guns keeping crime down...
With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
points.
>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>
>Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
>murdered by a gun toting luntic
>
>27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
You left out the part about being murdered by other means, or raped or
robbed..
But then..I knew you would.
Gunner
Gunner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>>grateful
>>
>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>
>>Dave
>
>
> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/bigorrin/chippewa_kids.htm
>
> Glad to have been of help
>
> Gunner
Manny, many thanks for that.
Dave
Gunner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>>grateful
>>
>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>
>>Dave
>
>
> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/bigorrin/chippewa_kids.htm
>
> Glad to have been of help
>
> Gunner
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>> grateful
>>
>>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>>
>>Dave
>
> Im partially Ojibwa indian.
(...you'll be sorry if you ask about the other parts...)
--
Ed Huntress
> >So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
> >for guns keeping crime down...
> With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
> points.
You really are a dumb gun fanatic looking for an excuse.
The figures are per thousand people of population. This takes into
account the population difference.
I'd stop digging if I were you.
Gunner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:04:20 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox,
>>> syphillis
>>> and broken promises just to name a few...
>>
>> Actually that was the Spanish that started all that. By the time
>> the
>> British arrived small pox, syphilis, and broken promises were well
>> established. The slavery part the indigenous population had
>> already
>> figured out on their own.
>>
>
> So it was the Spanish given smallpox infected blankets to the
> Indians
> and paying bounties on scalps?
By the time anybody started giving "smallpox infected blankets" to the
Indians the indigenous population had already been decimated. Sad
fact, Native Americans, North and South, had no immunity--it spread
like crazy.
As for bounties on scalps, I'm not sure what your point is. Where the
Spanish arrived it wasn't scalps, it was hearts, and on a production
line basis.
>>> And you think thats a good thing?
>>>
>>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>>> grateful
>>
>> And the Spanish put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing.
>
> By baptizing the lot of them, then setting them on fire.
And how exactly are the English responsible for that?
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:48 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>> grateful
>
>It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
>that for an ignorant Brit please?
>
>Dave
Im partially Ojibwa indian.
http://www.geocities.com/bigorrin/chippewa_kids.htm
Glad to have been of help
Gunner
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:04:20 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox,
>> syphillis
>> and broken promises just to name a few...
>
>Actually that was the Spanish that started all that. By the time the
>British arrived small pox, syphilis, and broken promises were well
>established. The slavery part the indigenous population had already
>figured out on their own.
>
So it was the Spanish given smallpox infected blankets to the Indians
and paying bounties on scalps?
>> And you think thats a good thing?
>>
>> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
>> grateful
>
>And the Spanish put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing.
By baptizing the lot of them, then setting them on fire.
Gunner
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:47:58 GMT, M Q <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>>
>>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>>>brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>>>ships to land and populate that land?
>>>
>>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>>>made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>>>understand each other
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox, syphillis
>> and broken promises just to name a few...
>>
>...
>Actually, syphilis went from the Americas to Europe in 1493.
True indeed. I should have said "the pox" or Frenchman's Disease, or
Travelers Disease or...<G>
Gunner
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:02:36 GMT, Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:37:34 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>> ameijers wrote:
>...
>>> pony tail as a teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The
>>> current buzz-cut fad, presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
>>
>> Doubt that it really has anything to do with war.
>
>It has _everything_ to do with war. Militaries have regulated hair length
>and beard length (or even a mandatory clean shave) for centuries, because
>even the Phoenicians knew what a convenient hand-hold either one is.
Also to prevent major lice infestations.
>
>I saw a guy in the NFL get pulled down by his hair, and it wasn't a foul,
>because the defender hadn't grabbed his face mask, horse-collared him, or
>clotheslined him, but pulled him down by his own body part, as if he'd had
>his arm or something. It was the guy's hair, but the NFL ruled that if
>he's stupid enough to leave it dangle out of his hat like that, that it's
>fair game.
>
>I wear my hair long, but I go to great lengths (pun unintended, but noted)
>to avoid altercations with drunks. :-)
>
>Cheers!
>Rich
Cops used to wear uniform shirts with those nifty epaulets on the
shoulders. Great hand holds for the bad guys.
I cut mine loose and put velcro on the shirt and epaulets. First bad
ass to grab one as he had so many before, stood there staring at it
with a surprised and stupid look on his face, long enough for me to
chop him down like an oak with my baton.
Gunner
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>
>Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>
>>
>>Free men own guns
>
>And dead people are the result
Dead bad people for the most part.
You seem to think this is a bad thing?
Gunner
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>>Don't get grumpy, Gunner. I just know what's coming, and it could be a
>>beaut. If it were me I'd list all the citations from US v Emerson, 5th
>>Circuit Court of Appeals, and expect responses in November or so. <g>
>
>
> Those are at hand..waiting in the wings. Think of them as claymores
> for when the gomers human wave the wire...
>
> <G>
>
> Interesting and thought provoking pictures eh?
Yeah, they are. They look like print ads. Who produced them?
--
Ed Huntress
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:07:01 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:20:38 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States Code 13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
>>>>>> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
>>>>>> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
>>>>>> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
>>>>>> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
>>>>>> National Guard.
>>>>>> (b) The classes of the militia are-
>>>>>> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
>>>>>> the Naval Militia; and
>>>>>> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
>>>>>> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
>>>>>> Militia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
>>>>>the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National
>>>>>Guard'.
>>>>>I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
>>>>>National Guard, are not members of a militia.
>>>>>That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
>>>>>(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
>>>>>
>>>>> From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
>>>>>interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
>>>>>difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
>>>>>their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
>>>>>small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
>>>>>and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
>>>>>muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
>>>>>younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
>>>>>physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
>>>>>Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
>>>>>first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bring on more insults.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/1st2nd5882.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since you wish to make claims regarding the 18th century....
>>>>
>>>> I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
>>>> few public officials."
>>>> - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
>>>> Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
>>>> Militia
>>>>
>>>> "The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,
>>>> ... all men capable of bearing arms;..."
>>>> - "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788 (either
>>>> Richard Henry Lee or Melancton Smith).
>>>>
>>>> "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that
>>>> we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall
>>>> have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
>>>> terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American
>>>> ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the
>>>> federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever
>>>> remain, in the hands of the People."
>>>> - Tench Coxe, 1788.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/predict2_s.jpg
>>>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5320-2/freedom.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh..btw...the 45yr age restriction is unlawful, according to Federal
>>>> ADA laws.
>>>>
>>>> In practice..the age restriction is ignored. Keep in mind that in
>>>> 1778...45 yrs of age was close to the average life expectancy, so that
>>>> was considered close to elderly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh..something else you should read...
>>>>
>>>> "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things
>>>> have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to
>>>> make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If
>>>> during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in
>>>> their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door
>>>> and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had
>>>> nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
>>>> of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at
>>>> hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of
>>>> officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed
>>>> machine would have ground to a halt."
>>>> - Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag
>>>> Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_gulag.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_monopoly.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since you have difficulties with written word....perhaps pictures may
>>>> be of assistance to you...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_order.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_racist.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/history_s.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_colors3.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5329-2/defender.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_how.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_rob.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_grenades.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_irs.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_constitutional.jpg
>>>
>>>Here we go! Hang on, folks, it's the battle of the Gun Quotes, and it's
>>>going to be a bumpy ride...
>>
>> So presenting verifyable data points to counter raw emotionalism from
>> my opponents is somehow a bad thing?
>
>That depends on whether you like your rides bumpy. d8-)
>
>Don't get grumpy, Gunner. I just know what's coming, and it could be a
>beaut. If it were me I'd list all the citations from US v Emerson, 5th
>Circuit Court of Appeals, and expect responses in November or so. <g>
Those are at hand..waiting in the wings. Think of them as claymores
for when the gomers human wave the wire...
<G>
Interesting and thought provoking pictures eh?
Gunner
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sep 8, 12:52?am, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or
>> handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or
>> saw it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> my old neighbor wanted to put in a new bathroom floor, finding loose
> boards he accidently rain a nail thru a water line. bringing down
> his
> kitchen cieling:(
>
> so he decided car repairs would be better, removed the air cleaner,
> gunned the engine, metal air cleaner assembly fell into fan went
> thru
> radiator:( new fan, radiator, and air cleaner assembly his wife
> decided he shouldnt fix anything.
>
> he actually was relieved.
A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
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Gunner wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Jane & David
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <tPBEi.2171$Ot1.929@trnddc07>,
>> "newman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair,
>>> was
>>> behind guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around
>>> mechanism and partially tore out part of her scalp.
>>
>>
>> Whoa, that made my remaining hair stand up. Several years ago, I
>> was
>> doing a long rip with a circular saw and noticed that a few long
>> hairs were bouncing off the blade. Only a few hairs had come untied
>> and none got caught by the blade, but it scared the shit out of me
>> and so that was the last day I ever had long hair (not that I could
>> anyway lately).
>>
>> PDX David
>
>
> When I was running an alarm company..had a long haired installer
> running a bell hanger bit straight up through the ceiling of a
> church,
> from the top of a 12' ladder.
>
> If course it was a dull bit and he started hugging the drill motor
> to
> push up harder...
>
> Hair got spun around the drill bit. Rather than calling for
> help....he paniced and either jumped or fell off the top of the
> ladder.
>
> I got a call from his wife at the hospital telling me he was there
> being treated and would I please gather up his tool?
>
> Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
> staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
> unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it
> on
> ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
> it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed
> to
> reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
> debride the dead tissue.
>
> Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
> away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.
Speakin of hair, I was routing an edge the other day and felt a jerk,
and the router jumped out of my hands and (fortunately) stalled.
Turns out my hair (which I have since gotten trimmed much shorter) got
pulled not into the bit but into the motor--once enough hair was in
there it stopped, and now I can't turn it with a wrench it's so
packed.
Could have been tragic, instead, since I didn't get hurt, it's funny.
Was a very old router, had it for 40 years or so, I think it's the
first power tool I ever owned, from back when Black and Decker made
good stuff.
I'm just glad that it was that one and not the 3 horsepower job--that
one would have likely ripped my head off.
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According to Bill <[email protected]>:
> In message <[email protected]>, Edwin
> Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
[ ... ]
> >> May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
> >
> >Why would an employee of a finance or mortgage company need that?
>
> Bl**dy spell checkers, I really should look at what I type.
>
> Lone
A spelling checker would not make much difference there, both
are valid words.
Or did you do some kind of typo and you are stuck with a
spelling checker which auto-corrects your typos without asking you what
you really meant to say?
Enjoy,
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Ed Huntress wrote:
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
>
Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the
store one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa
asked him, "What happened to you?"
The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
Yikes
5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
Didn't have long hair very much after that.
nick hull wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>
> Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
G'day all,
While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
instructors wore ties).
To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
displayed.
One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
from a hand.
This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
My wedding ring was worn on my wedding day and has stayed in a box at
home ever since.
regards
John
According to John B <"">:
> nick hull wrote:
[ ... ]
> > Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
> > wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
[ ... ]
> G'day all,
[ ... ]
> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
> from a hand.
> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
Ouch!
> My wedding ring was worn on my wedding day and has stayed in a box at
> home ever since.
I simply have a fake carabiner clip hanging from my belt with my
keys on it. Whenever I step into the shop, my wedding ring and my watch
move to that clip and stay there until I exit the shop again. And none
of my machines have moving parts at the level of that carabiner, or I
would move *it* to a hook on the wall by the door. (It is a personal
hobby shop, so I don't have to worry about them growing legs while I'm
working. :-)
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
>
> Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the sides,
> uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is easy to style in
> the morning.
>
>
G'day Ed,
I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut :)
In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.
regards
John
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:10:28 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:49:55 +0100, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers brought to your shore. Was it
>>>>>>the Mayflower that was one of the first ships to land and populate that land?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we made to it over the years.
>>>>>>Hence we talk the same language, but do not understand each other
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery,
>>>
>>>Oh for goodness sake you gave us Lloyd Grossman. Lets call it even.
>>>
>>
>> errrr.....whoops..sorry about that....but you did give us Twiggy....
>
>Who has turned out to be an everlasting beauty and a glam gran to boot :-)
>
>Dave
Really? I thought she had fallen though a storm drain grill and had
washed out to sea?
Gunner
"Roger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The message <[email protected]>
> from John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> contains these words:
>
>> While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
>> jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
>> instructors wore ties).
>> To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
>> displayed.
>> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
>> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
>> from a hand.
>> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
>> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
>
> That photo made a lasting impression on me as well (back in 1962 or 63).
> I was thinking about making a similar post myself when I found John had
> beaten me to it.
>
Probably faked though as the tendon would only go till just after the wrist
where it attaches to the muscles that work the fingers.
About 6 inches I would estimate.
I always took my watch off after being told what happens if you forget and
reach between the battery bus bars and never have worn a ring as they are
naff and dangerous everywhere not just at work.
Roger wrote:
> The message <[email protected]>
> from John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> contains these words:
>
>> While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
>> jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
>> instructors wore ties).
>> To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
>> displayed.
>> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
>> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
>> from a hand.
>> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
>> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
>
> That photo made a lasting impression on me as well (back in 1962 or 63).
> I was thinking about making a similar post myself when I found John had
> beaten me to it.
>
G'day Roger,
They sure didn't believe in getting rid of a good thing in those days :)
I remember it from '71 or '72.
regards
John
dennis@home wrote:
>
> "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The message <[email protected]>
>> from John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> contains these words:
>>
>>> While at Tech, doing my apprenticeship we where warned never to wear
>>> jewellery, including rings in the work shop. (Although some of the
>>> instructors wore ties).
>>> To drive home the message several large posters of photographs were
>>> displayed.
>>> One that I've never forgotten was of a finger with a wedding ring and a
>>> long piece of string like stuff protruding from where it had been torn
>>> from a hand.
>>> This was a tendon that had stayed attached and pulled out from the
>>> shoulder. No use or very little left in the blokes arm.
>>
>> That photo made a lasting impression on me as well (back in 1962 or 63).
>> I was thinking about making a similar post myself when I found John had
>> beaten me to it.
>>
>
> Probably faked though as the tendon would only go till just after the
> wrist where it attaches to the muscles that work the fingers.
> About 6 inches I would estimate.
> I always took my watch off after being told what happens if you forget
> and reach between the battery bus bars and never have worn a ring as
> they are naff and dangerous everywhere not just at work.
G'day Roger,
Could have been ?? May not have been a tendon, but that's the way I
remember it.
It still did the trick, even if they played around with it in the 60's
and 70's.
I won't let the War Office see this in case she takes your point of view
and makes me hunt up the ring :)
regards
John
Colin Wilson wrote:
>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>> either.
>
> Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
> both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>
> Remember to cite your sources.
Uh, what does "the number of murders by gun crime" have to do with
"letting the mentally ill own firearms"? Are you suggesting that
committing murder is prima facie evidence that one is mentally ill?
If not then what are you suggesting?
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ameijers wrote:
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my
>>>> hair cut short...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used
>>> to have a handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved
>>> in an altercation with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She
>>> grabbed his hair in a death grip and they could not pry her loose
>>> for several minutes. By that time, she had torn much of his scalp
>>> loose from his head.
>>>
>>> The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal.
>>> They shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his
>>> scalp. He had to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never
>>> been more than a half an inch long since.
>>>
>>> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might
>>> grow some hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement
>>> officer, he will go with a buzz cut.
>>
>> I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of
>> the hair that can not be grabbed/held.
>>
> 'Buzz Cut' draws its name from the buzzing sound the clippers make
> as
> they ride along the scalp. Think electric dog clippers- basically
> the
> same thing. The buzz is 60hz, from the alternating line current,
> that
> is used to move the heads back and forth. In UK, it would be a 50hz
> buzz. You hear it right through your skull. I had buzz cuts as a
> kid,
> until I looked in the mirror one day around 4th or 5th grade. I had
> a
> pony tail as a teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The
> current buzz-cut fad, presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
Doubt that it really has anything to do with war. Circle goes
around--when I was a little kid buzz cuts and crew cuts were popular.
When I was a bit older styles got longer (I remember when the Beatles,
as they appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, had scandalously long hair)
and longer and longer and then shorter and shorter and shorter and now
we're back to buzz cuts. In another 30 years or so it will be long
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willshak wrote:
> on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment
>>>> cult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>
>> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>
>> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
> weapons ownership?
> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
> read
> it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed".
> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
It seems that the United States Court of Appeals for the District of
Columbia Circuit disagrees with your intepretation.
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willshak wrote:
> on 9/12/2007 10:48 AM Sam E said the following:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties,
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment
>>>>>> cult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>>>> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>>>
>>>> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>>>
>>>> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
>>> weapons ownership?
>>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
>>> read it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>> infringed".
>>> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>>
>>
>> And where's the part of that which says a "well regulated militia"
>> is
>> the ONLY reason you can own a gun?
>>
>
> It is the section that gun proponents quote. If there is another
> section that outlines gun ownership other than the 'militia, please
> cite it.
If there is another section that defines "the people" as "members of a
well-regulated militia" then please cite it.
In any case, by law all males between the ages of 18 and 45 who are
citizens of the US are members of the militia.
>> I expect you don't know, and are just mindlessly repeating some
>> nonsense you heard somewhere (from someone who doesn't know
>> either).
>>
> I haven't insulted anyone over this issue. Why is it that you fell
> the
> need to do so?
His suggestion that you are parroting something that was told to you
is no more insulting than your suggestion that he had not read the
Amendment in it entirety.
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Dan wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charley" <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups:
> rec.woodworking,alt.home.repair,misc.consumers,rec.crafts.metalworking,uk.d-i-y
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: What have been the worst home handyman accidents you've
> had,or seen so far ?
>
>
>> investigation of his home and property.
>>
>> He had been working on the roof of his house (almost 2 blocks away
>> from where I found him) and he had tied the rope from his car up
>> over the front of the roof of his house to his waist to keep from
>> falling off his back roof
>> , but he hadn't bothered to take his wife's car keys away from
>> her...
>
>
> Uh-huh
>
> http://www.snopes.com/autos/mishaps/roofman.asp
Note that Snopes doesn't say it never happened. Fact is a car is a
very convenient portable anchor and force applicator, with the
disadvantage being that someone can at an inopportune moment de-anchor
it and drive off with whatever it was supporting still attached. I
don't see such an incident as being at all improbable and it's
probably occurred more than once.
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raden wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> writes
>> willshak wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
>>> weapons ownership?
>>
>> Because it does (in the last fourteen words of what you've quoted
>> below.)
>>
>>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
>>> read it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
>>> free
>>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>> infringed".
>>
>> That first clause is the rationale for what follows. If you don't
>> understand the motivation, a review of colonial history will
>> contribute to your appreciation of the principles involved. You
>> might
>> find a review of the grievances listed in the Declaration of
>> Independence illuminating. The authors of the Constitution ensured
>> that citizens would be empowered to say "No!" to tyranny - both
>> from
>> outside and from within our borders.
>>
>> If you want to rebut by pointing out that there is no tyranny, then
>> I
>> give you my very happiest smiley. :-)
>>
> One of our political comedians offered three thousand pounds ( the
> proceeds from an article he wrote) to anyone who killed George Bush,
> and as a true patriot, you should all be leaping at the chance
Uh, that would mean Cheney gets to be President.
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Jerome Meekings wrote:
> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm
>> by
>> which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
>> murder.
>
> The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
> 1) the nutters can get them more easily.
> 2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
> 3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
> mistake much too often.
> 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
Have any statistics to support any of those contentions?
> And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is
> that with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the
> person you injure/kill.
Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
because?
> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
> easily
> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
> their
> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could
> prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
> responsible person.
> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where
> the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
> crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.
Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all this
"easy identification" that does not create another huge government
beaurocracy.
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Morris Dovey wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
>>
>> I so wish I had a ballot.
>
> Y'know, I was thinking about that a while back. Not your (r's)
> ballot
> specifically, but the notion that citizens of a country aren't the
> only stakeholders in choosing that country's leaders.
>
> It was just idle thinking, of course, because no one in any country
> would be willing to give someone from another country a role in
> choosing their country's leadership. Still, it's an interesting
> thought - and I've wondered how things would play if the world
> outside
> the USA could elect one senator and one representative to our
> legislature...
Probably about like they play in Puerto Rico and like they played in
the Phillippines.
>> That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express
>> them as impotent.
>> It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
>
> Absolutely true - that's the "keyboard' part of the arsenal.
> Discourse
> /can/ bring about change when well-chosen words are spoken/written
> in
> a suitable context.
But only if the people with power to effect change see the words.
> Well, in a manner of speaking, we're all trees in the forest - even
> though we'd each like to speak our own piece and be heard as
> individuals.
>
> It's being worth listening to that's the real challenge.
Getting heard is harder than being worth listening to.
>> I peek over the fence and worry myself sick.
>
> I'll be the first to admit that you have noisy neighbors who (at
> least
> sometimes) appear to be completely irrational. :-)
>
> Observe - great. Worry yourself sick - please don't. As a
> constructive
> friend, you're highly valued - and I would prefer you stay healthy.
>
> FWIW, before you get into deep worry mode, it makes sense to ask:
> "Hey, what's going on here? Do I need to worry about you?" There are
> a
> couple of benefits to this: first, there may not be as much reason
> to
> worry as you originally thought - and second, you've stimulated your
> neighbor to focus (even if just a little) more on what you see as a
> problem.
>
>> A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
>> networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love to
>> have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
>
> Fear and a certain amount of bigotry. Fear that Iran will develop
> nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have and fear that they'll
> act
> irresponsibly.
Several of nations have nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have
and are not a problem. I don't think that anyone in the US gives a
damn if the Brits or the French have nuclear weapons of any degree of
power. Iran though is run by Islamic fundamentalists, and while the
ones running Iran have not done so recently, Islamic fundies seem to
like to blow up anything they dislike and don't really seem to give
much of a damn who, including themselves, gets hurt in the process.
If it Iranians nuked a city somewhere and the whole country got paved
as a result they'd be acclaimed as gloriout martyrs to the Jihad.
That's why Iran having nuclear weapons is a bad thing. In fact
Pakistan having them is a bit scary--the current regime there seems to
be reasonable, but it doesn't even have the whole country under
control--there are places in Pakistan that the cops don't go without a
military escort, and there have been attempts to assassinate the
current leader. If the fundies take over Pakistan then it's quite
possible that Very Bad Things will follow.
> I worked (and socialized) with some Irani immigrants in San Jose. I
> was pleased to give 'em all the furniture I'd built for my apartment
> when I returned to Iowa, and I'd be still more pleased to have them
> living next door here.
Every Japanese I've met has been a good guy. So has every German.
That doesn't mean that Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust didn't happen.
It's not the man in the street that starts wars, it's the government.
In the late '30s and early '40s both countries had rather nasty
governments that didn't much care who got hurt while they pursued
their dreams of power and there was precious little that the man in
the street could do about it. A lot of good, decent Japanese and
Germans got killed either by or for those governments.
Do you really trust the Iranian government? You don't seem to trust
the US government and the US government is at least notionally
answerable to the populace, so why is the Iranian government more
trustworthy?
> In order to beat the war drums, it's necessary to /ignore/ the value
> of individuals. I've concluded that "hawkishness" is inversely
> proportional to the number of places from which one's friends come
> and
> inverse-squared with one's appreciation for cultures other than
> one's
> own.
So which would you rather? Some of those valuable individuals die
sooner while the Iranian government is prevented from obtaining
nuclear weapons that it doesn't need, or a lot more die later when
that government uses those weapons?
Why is the Iranian government so Hell-bent on nuclear weapons anyway?
That money could be far better spent expanding the economy.
>> Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
>
> That's not really a solution to the problems we've created for
> ourselves - for a number of reasons. For instance: How would you
> feel
> knowing the head of household next door had carelessly shot a
> _friend_?
What does this have to do with impeachment? And how often does that
particular scenario happen anyway? That's another statistic that you
people pull up at the drop of the hat without understanding it--"shot
someone you know" is not the same as "shot a friend".
> IMO, our stars never shone so brightly as when we focused our
> efforts
> on sharing our best with others in need - and they never dimmed so
> rapidly as when our politicians changed their focus from 'help' to
> 'control'.
>
> They _still_ don't have 24-hour electricity in Baghdad.
And they aren't going to until the Iraqis quit blowing each other to
Kingdom Come.
That's why the US is there right now, to try to keep the lid on until
the government is strong and stable enough to do so without help.
Now, I'm sure you're going to counter with the argument that
everything will be peachy-keen in Iraq if the US leaves. And you're
right, it will, if you define "peachy-keen" as "The Mahdi Army
overthrows the government, establishes a Shiite dominated Islamic
fundamentalist state, arrests and imprisons or executes anybody who
dissents, lines up all the troublemakers and lots of other innocents
who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and
shoots them, establishes a new secret police, and Moqtada Al-Sadr is
elected President for Life by a 110 percent majority".
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Ralph wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> Jerome Meekings wrote:
>>> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of
>>>> firearm
>>>> by
>>>> which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits
>>>> the
>>>> murder.
>>> The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
>>> 1) the nutters can get them more easily.
>>> 2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
>>> 3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others
>>> by
>>> mistake much too often.
>>> 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
>>
>> Have any statistics to support any of those contentions?
>>
>>> And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is
>>> that with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the
>>> person you injure/kill.
>>
>> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
>> because?
>>
>>> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
>>> easily
>>> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
>>> their
>>> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could
>>> prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
>>> responsible person.
>>> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country
>>> where
>>> the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
>>> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
>>> crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.
>>
>> Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all this
>> "easy identification" that does not create another huge government
>> beaurocracy.
>>
> Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?
Hey, ask the stupid Brit that just couldn't resist stirring the
anthill.
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raden wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
> <[email protected]> writes
>>>> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
>>>> because?
>>>>
>>>>> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
>>>>> easily
>>>>> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
>>>>> their
>>>>> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner
>>>>> could
>>>>> prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
>>>>> responsible person.
>>>>> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country
>>>>> where
>>>>> the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
>>>>> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
>>>>> crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.
>>>>
>>>> Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all
>>>> this
>>>> "easy identification" that does not create another huge
>>>> government
>>>> beaurocracy.
>>>>
>>> Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?
>>
>> Hey, ask the stupid Brit that just couldn't resist stirring the
>> anthill.
>>
> I'm sitting here with a beer having a good laugh at you
>
> It's just so easy
So your purpose was to start a debate for your own amusement?
<plonk>
May as well plonk the newsgroup you rode in on. Hell, I think I'll
plonk the whole uk. heirarchy while I'm about it.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:20:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>> >
>> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Free men own guns
>> >
>> >And dead people are the result
>>
>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>
>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
I wonder what his response will be if we bring up doctors, motor
vehicles, food and power tools, not to mention ladders....brrrrrrrrr!
Gunner
J. Clarke wrote:
> willshak wrote:
>
>>on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>>>>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Free men own guns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And dead people are the result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunner
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment
>>>>>cult.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>>>ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>>
>>>Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>>
>>>Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>>
>>
>>Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees
>>weapons ownership?
>>Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have
>>read
>>it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>infringed".
>>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>
>
> It seems that the United States Court of Appeals for the District of
> Columbia Circuit disagrees with your intepretation.
>
True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the
Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well
regulated militia" or to members of a militia.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
><[email protected]> writes
>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>> >
>>> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>Free men own guns
>>> >
>>> >And dead people are the result
>>>
>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>
>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>
>We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
ownership, until you used it for bumwad
Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
Gunner
>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>
> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
That's a very good idea. . .uh. . .just tell me where you live and I'll take
all those dangerous things away for you. No charge at all.
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:18:23 -0400, Shawn Hirn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>On one job that consisted of adding a deck onto a kitchen in a modest
>row house, my dad had to remove a window air conditioner in order to
>knock down the kitchen's exterior wall.
>
>My dad declined my offer to help and he said it was just a light air
>conditioner and he could handle it himself. He opened the window to
>release the air conditioner and it dropped out to the ground below. The
>man who owned the home and I were both watching as this happened and the
>look on my dad's face was priceless.
>
>As it happened, the customer was behind in paying my dad, but my dad
>liked the guy so he didn't make a big deal of it. After the crashing
>sound ended, my dad just said in a smug face to the customer that he
>could deduct the price of a new AC off the money he owed my dad.
>
>Fortunately, the customer was nice about the situation, but the look on
>his and my dad's faces just cracked me up. I was literarily on the floor
>laughing! The look on my dad's face as he snarled at me to stop laughing
>only made me laugh more.
Working out of town, I was staying in a rather cheap but handy
downtown hotel in mid November. On checking in on Monday, I was
assigned a ninth floor room for the week. Late in the evening I
noticed a draft coming through the makeshift card stock filler beside
the window A/C so attempted to adjust it to seal better - yep there
goes the electric cord out the window! when I called the desk to tell
them what hat happened, they offered to send someone up with another
A/C, but I said that I only wanted to explain that thump above the
dinning room ceiling. It was still there when the job finished three
weeks latter.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
In message <[email protected]>, Ken
<[email protected]> writes
>What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>unfortunately went wrong.
>
Tosser x-posted to numerous DIY related Ngroups
He accidentally fell into the north sea with his feet encased in
concrete
How we did laff ...
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In article <tPBEi.2171$Ot1.929@trnddc07>,
"newman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair, was behind
> guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around mechanism and
> partially tore out part of her scalp.
Whoa, that made my remaining hair stand up. Several years ago, I was
doing a long rip with a circular saw and noticed that a few long hairs
were bouncing off the blade. Only a few hairs had come untied and none
got caught by the blade, but it scared the shit out of me and so that
was the last day I ever had long hair (not that I could anyway lately).
PDX David
In article <[email protected]>,
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
> My then Irish neighbour who called the fire brigade and the ambulance,
> claimed that HE knew of a man who picked up a small rotary lawnmower by
> the cutting deck in order to use it as a hedge trimmer.. ;-)
When I was in school in the early 80's, I had a friend who had a
job entering consumer product lawsuits into a database that was
to be used as part of a research project. It was amazing reading
some of these lawsuit summaries. Using a lawnmower as a hedge
trimmer is actually a fairly common thing. A few beers beforehand
always seems to make it look like a better idea. In the case
that I read, the person got hurt badly. He sued the lawnmower
manufacture and won some big money. The court ruled that the
company was at fault because they didn't have any labels on the
mower or any text in the owners manual that specifically said
to not do that. That was said as if someone dumb enough to do
such a thing would either read the manual or take the advice
of a warning label.
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Dave Gordon wrote:
> "Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is generating more interest
>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't
>>like it? Then exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this
>>thread.
>>
>>
>>William Noble wrote:
>>
>>
>>>doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT subject degenerates into a
>>>pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have something better with which to occupy your synapses?
>>>"
>>>
>>>
>>>>True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment is
>>>>an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
>>>>militia.
>>>
> Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".
>
Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second
Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies I
EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And read
my first post above again.
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> willshak wrote:
>> on 9/15/2007 5:17 PM Rich Grise said the following:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> willshak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You had dirt to grow berries in?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
>>>> lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
>>>> it that way.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes! ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You had a belly button?
>
> Talking about belly buttons, what causes a woman's to protrude when they
> get pregnant?
>
The same thing that makes them have to pee every five minutes- lack of room.
Anything that can get shoved out of the way or compressed, does.
aem sends...
"John Rumm" wrote in message
> he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
> personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.
A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:36:10 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>>>>Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>
>>>>You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>Spoils your day a bit if you're not a baddie, though
>>
>>
>>Of course it does. Nearly as bad as crashing through your windshield
>>on the highway.
>
>Done that at 80 mph
>
>>
>>Or falling off a ladder
>
>That's for silly people
>>
>>Or drowning in a swimming pool
>>
>>Or bleeding to death after misusing a power tool
>
>You'll like this ...
>
>very gory - failed suicide bomber ...
>
><http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1181884353/Disgusting_Results_of_a_Failed_
>Suicide_Bomber>
>
>>
>>Or choking to death on food
>
>Pretzel ? we wish
>>
>>Etc
>>
>>So you have no issues with banning motorcars, ladders, swimming pools,
>>power tools and food.
>>
>>Correct?
>
>No, these are all things designed for things other than killing people
>
>Sport aside, guns are there to kill
Sport aside...thats mighty white of you.
Odd..Ive 60 some firearms..and only a few have taken a life. And those
being surplus military arms of other countries.
Least..that I care to discuss here.
Gunner
In article <[email protected]>,
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]> wrote:
> Imagine my surprise when one of my test injuries was a 'sprain' to area
> 'gentials' :-)
I have that happen a lot... (g)
In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
> > Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Amendment II
> >> >
> >> > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> >> > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
> >> > infringed.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms shall
> >> not
> >> be infringed.
> >
> > But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
> > succinctly. You conveniently ignore that.
>
> What you're ignoring is that the entire first part of that is commentary.
> The actual meat of the amendment says simply and eloquently, "the right
> of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Nope. The first part of the amendment is a well regulated militia. It
is mentioned first, not as an add on, not as an afterthought, but as the
introductory clause of the piece. It sets out HOW and WHY it must not be
infringed. The context of when infringement takes place. It sets limits.
If you want to include the last part, you can't pretend that the first
doesn't exist.
>
> The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in today's
> world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a well-regulated
> militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:55:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gunner
You could stay with one email address. Or do you need to bypass kill
files cause you need to be heard?
The question is rhetorical.
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
In article
<[email protected]>,
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I think the story is BS, just for the sake of the last line. The odds of
> landing 'just so' like that are close to zero. It does raise a valid point,
> though- never do high work without proper precautions, including making sure
> the space below is clear of nasties. Like if you HAVE to work above exposed
> rebar, put plywood or hay bales or SOMETHING over it.
>
I remember a couple of Emergency's where Gage and DeSoto did similar
stuff. Of course on primetime TV in the 70 it wasn't the same area that
was impaled.
In article <[email protected]>,
"William Noble" <[email protected]> wrote:
> doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
> subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
> something better with which to occupy your synapses?
> "
>
You have True Believer against True Believer. This may take
awhile to sort out.
In article
<[email protected]>,
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> The <qualified> people Don't Want the job. The only way to get qualified
> people for most high government positions would be to draft them. Almost by
> definition, if you WANT the position of power, you probably can't be trusted
> not to abuse it.
>
> aem sends...
So you are a proponent of the Douglas Adams School of Politics, too.
"To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most WANT
to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to it. Anyone who is
capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be
allowed to do the job."
-Doug Adams _The Restaurant at The End of The Universe_
In article <[email protected]>,
"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> "nick hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
> >
> > Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF THE
> > ABOVE ;)
>
> Nice protest, but what if it was? What if that choice got the most votes?
Neither wins and are not allowed to run again that round. Do another
election in that area until they get it right. I am thinking this would
happen once at most and then people would tire of playing head games
with politicians and just vote in whoever.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
> F.3d 203) and one that denies it (Ninth Circuit, Silveira v. Lockyer, 312
> F.3d 1052). This conflict puts pressure on the Supreme Court to finally
> decide the issue, but don't count your chickens. It may be very difficult to
> find a test case.
>
Doesn't look as though the Dudes and Dudettes from the 9th are gonna
lose their title of most overturned circuit any time soon.
In article <[email protected]>,
Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the Second
> Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the copies
> I
> EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And
> read
> my first post above again.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:07:15 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
><[email protected]> writes
>>
>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>suggests
>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>
>>> blah blah
>>>
>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>
>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> geoff
>>
>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>
>Another stupid septic ...
Another stupid turd heard from.
Turd = Shit rhymes with Brit.
Gunner
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:07:15 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>>suggests
>>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>>
>>>> blah blah
>>>>
>>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>>
>>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>>
>>Another stupid septic ...
>
>
>Another stupid turd heard from.
>
>Turd = Shit rhymes with Brit.
>
>Gunner
>
Not really good with words are you ?
now as I said
"can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this"
--
geoff
In article <[email protected]>,
Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Where did you get your copy of the Constitution? 'Cause I've read the
> >>Second
> >>Amendment dozens of times from dozens of sources, and and NONE of the
> >>copies
> >>I
> >>EVER saw limit the right to bear arms to "a well regulated militia." And
> >>read
> >>my first post above again.
> >
> >
> > Amendment II
> >
> > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> > State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
> > infringed.
>
>
> That's right, the right of THE PEOPLE (not the militia) to keep arms shall
> not
> be infringed.
But the need for a well-regulated militia is what is stated first and
succinctly. You conveniently ignore that. The right of the people to
bear arms flows from the necessity of a well-regulated militia. There is
a hierarchy here in the flow and ordering of the statements concerning
how and why the rights are bestowed by the constitution.
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>geoff wrote:
>>
>>
>> DIGAF -
>
>
> Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
>drivel.
>
>
>>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
>
>
> May you give a lion indigestion.
>
>
>> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
>> domesticated animals ?
>
>
> WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
>olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
>you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
>good. :(
>
>
>> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
>> they are just too stupid to survive
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>
> That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
>sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
>
>
I shall miss you window lickers ...
--
geoff
In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:53 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
>><[email protected]> writes
>>>On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:07:15 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> blah blah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>>>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>>>>
>>>>Another stupid septic ...
>>>
>>>
>>>Another stupid turd heard from.
>>>
>>>Turd = Shit rhymes with Brit.
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>>
>>Not really good with words are you ?
>
>Im not particularly conversant with Cockney Rhyming Slang, but isnt
>the term you twats use for the US..."septic" + tank rhymes with Yank?
>
>So you stupid Turds (I did get the connection correct, did I not?)
>are now going to get all pissy and upset about it?
>>
>>now as I said
>>
>>"can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this"
>
>Intelligent enough, of course. On the other hand, pissing off arrogant
>sniveling little Turds is fun.
>
>The DIY shall remain. In fact, I may subscribe to the group,
DIGAF - I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
domesticated animals ?
I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
they are just too stupid to survive
--
geoff
geoff wrote:
>
>
> DIGAF -
Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
drivel.
>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
May you give a lion indigestion.
> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
> domesticated animals ?
WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
good. :(
> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
> they are just too stupid to survive
>
> --
> geoff
That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
geoff wrote:
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
> <[email protected]> writes
> >geoff wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> DIGAF -
> >
> >
> > Yes, you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have posted your pathetic
> >drivel.
> >
> >
> >>I'm off to Africa the day after tomorrow,
> >
> >
> > May you give a lion indigestion.
> >
> >
> >> Why do you insist on displaying your father's predeliction for
> >> domesticated animals ?
> >
> >
> > WHy can't you faggots say what you mean, instead of using a six year
> >olds innuendo? Do they castrate all of you at six years old? Or all of
> >you so bad at D.I.Y. that it's self inflicted? You make the French look
> >good. :(
> >
> >
> >> I used to feel sorry for Indians, now I realise that, like the Dodo,
> >> they are just too stupid to survive
> >>
> >> --
> >> geoff
> >
> >
> > That's what we think about all of you stupid "Eurosheep'. It's really
> >sad though, that 99.9% of you make the rest look bad. :(
> >
> >
> I shall miss you window lickers ...
So, you missed the bus, AGAIN? They need a stronger leash for you
retards.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:38:53 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch
><[email protected]> writes
>>On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:07:15 GMT, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>
>>>>"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>>>>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>>>>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>>>>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> blah blah
>>>>>
>>>>> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>>>>dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>>>
>>>Another stupid septic ...
>>
>>
>>Another stupid turd heard from.
>>
>>Turd = Shit rhymes with Brit.
>>
>>Gunner
>>
>Not really good with words are you ?
Im not particularly conversant with Cockney Rhyming Slang, but isnt
the term you twats use for the US..."septic" + tank rhymes with Yank?
So you stupid Turds (I did get the connection correct, did I not?)
are now going to get all pissy and upset about it?
>
>now as I said
>
>"can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this"
Intelligent enough, of course. On the other hand, pissing off arrogant
sniveling little Turds is fun.
The DIY shall remain. In fact, I may subscribe to the group, just to
view how the semi intelligent manage to fumblefuck their way through
hanging wallpaper or whatever buffoonish tasks it is that your lot is
having difficulty with. Advanced bridge building using popsicle
sticks perhaps?
I anticipate your Turdish response.
Gunner
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:34:01 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
>>
>> Wearing school uniform in the UK equivalent of Workshop 101. Got my tie
>> wrapped round the lathe, and it was too short for me to reach the kill
>> switch.
>> After that we could take our ties off in the workshop.
>
>In recent years it would be mandatory to remove a tie. Makes you wonder
>what they were thinking. Or they were not thinking.
>
It's called "Eton thinking"
--
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:52:48 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:
>on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>
>> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>
>> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>ownership?
>Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
>it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>infringed".
>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
And where's the part of that which says a "well regulated militia" is
the ONLY reason you can own a gun?
I expect you don't know, and are just mindlessly repeating some
nonsense you heard somewhere (from someone who doesn't know either).
mlcorson wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> unfortunately went wrong.
>
> I did some copy work for a forensic engineer that was investigating an
> accident where a carpenter, who had used Liquid Nails to secure a new
> sub floor, had ignited the trapped Liquid Nails vapors between the old
> floor and the new decking. The entire floor blew upward, propelling
> the carpenter into the ceiling, breaking his neck and killing him. He
> was using a nail gun that apparently struck another nail that created
> a spark.
Blimey. That sounds like a pretty good reason to stick to the
solvent-free stuff, then.
David
In article <[email protected]>,
"Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
> > work shed or pick up a tool!
>
> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>
> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
> short...
Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
After a Computer crash and the demise of civilization, it was learned
Gunner <[email protected]> wrote on Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:07:28
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:05 +0100, Colin Wilson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>>
>>So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
>>for guns keeping crime down...
>
>With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
>points.
>>
>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>>
>>Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
>>murdered by a gun toting luntic
>>
>>27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
>
>You left out the part about being murdered by other means, or raped or
>robbed..
>
>But then..I knew you would.
But being raped or robbed, let alone murdered, by someone using
something other than a firearm, is morally superior, don'tcha know.
Personally, I think these neo-luddites should be forced to do away
with other modern labor saving devices, in addition to firearms. It
will keep them busy, and in much better shape physically. Not sure it
will improve their mental capacity, but then conservatives aren't really
into that whole "reeducation through labor" thing. We're more inclined
towards "the idle brain is the devil's workshop".
tschus
pyotr
>Gunner
--
pyotr filipivich
"Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD
(A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.)
In article <[email protected]>,
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I maintain that a hunter is responsible for where his bullet/shot ends
> up - absolutely and without exception. If the trajectory cannot be
> known to be safe, the shot must not be fired. In my considered opinion
> Cheney demonstrated his inclination to act irresponsibly at a very
> fundamental level.
>
> I not only would not hunt with the man - I would be loathe to allow
> him to trade control of his shotgun for control of our nuclear
> arsenal.
Sorry, Bush already gave Cheney control of all weapons of mass
destruction 5 months before 9/11.
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
In article <[email protected]>, raden <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
> >
> And you septics claim to understand English ?
I understand American, English is a foreign tongue ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
In article <[email protected]>, raden <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Sport aside, guns are there to kill
Funny thing, disregarding sports and target practice, most of my ammo
expended was for other purposes than killing. Probably have used a gun
as a drill more often than to kill something ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
In article <[email protected]>,
Joe Pfeiffer <[email protected]> wrote:
> John B <""johntoymaker\"@large puddle.com"> writes:
>
> > My wedding ring was worn on my wedding day and has stayed in a box at
> > home ever since.
>
> My wedding ring is on my finger most of the time... but comes off
> when I pick up a screwdriver.
When I got married it was a one-ring ceremony so i would never be
tempted to wear a ring ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
In article <[email protected]>,
Owain <[email protected]> wrote:
> raden wrote:
> > nick hull writes
> >> ... Probably have used a gun
> >> as a drill more often than to kill something ;)
> > Right tool for the right job, eh ?
>
> Aldi don't always have drills on special, but Walmart always has ammo :-)
.38 makes a pretty good 3/8" drill in certain situations, it's saved my
ass more than once ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF THE
ABOVE ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Jane & David
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <tPBEi.2171$Ot1.929@trnddc07>,
> "newman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair, was behind
>> guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around mechanism and
>> partially tore out part of her scalp.
>
>
>Whoa, that made my remaining hair stand up. Several years ago, I was
>doing a long rip with a circular saw and noticed that a few long hairs
>were bouncing off the blade. Only a few hairs had come untied and none
>got caught by the blade, but it scared the shit out of me and so that
>was the last day I ever had long hair (not that I could anyway lately).
>
>PDX David
When I was running an alarm company..had a long haired installer
running a bell hanger bit straight up through the ceiling of a church,
from the top of a 12' ladder.
If course it was a dull bit and he started hugging the drill motor to
push up harder...
Hair got spun around the drill bit. Rather than calling for
help....he paniced and either jumped or fell off the top of the
ladder.
I got a call from his wife at the hospital telling me he was there
being treated and would I please gather up his tool?
Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it on
ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed to
reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
debride the dead tissue.
Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.
Shrug
Gunner
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> nick hull wrote:
>
> | Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF
> | THE ABOVE ;)
>
> I can't resist asking...
>
> How much have you actually done to get the qualified candidate of your
> choice onto the ballot?
>
The <qualified> people Don't Want the job. The only way to get qualified
people for most high government positions would be to draft them. Almost by
definition, if you WANT the position of power, you probably can't be trusted
not to abuse it.
aem sends...
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:59:47 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Joe Pfeiffer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> John Rumm <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> You know its a bad day when you fall off a scaffold and "Carpenter
>>> fell from a 2nd floor scaffold onto a running table saw, lost most of
>>> his hand."
>>
>> If I fell from a second floor scaffold onto a running table saw and
>> the news said "lost most of his hand", I'd consider myself to have
>> gotten off very lucky.
>
> I somehow doubt that any of us would really feel lucky in such an event.
Uh, yeah, like, not fall off the scaffold in the first place? Acrophobia
can be pretty handy sometimes. ;-)
("Yeah, you get me a cherry picker, and I'll go up there again. Oh, and
let me double-check my harness...") ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:59:24 +0000, Bill wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Edwin
> Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes
>
>>That bring sup another point. My workshop is in a detached garage. I
>>usually work by myself, but I always take either the portable phone or my
>>cell phone.
> So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
> phone for help?
>
> May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
> i.e. if you don't reset it at a predetermined time it will alarm. The
> timing could depend on the severity of the expected injuries.
How about a dead-man switch like they have on Ski-doo type things? There's
a short lanyard around your wrist, and you have to plug in the little plug
to make the machine go. If it knocks you back (or out!), the plug pulls
out of the socket, and it shuts down the whole shop, rings the alarm, and
calls the paramedics. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:00:07 +0000, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> According to Bill <[email protected]>:
>>
>> Bl**dy spell checkers, I really should look at what I type.
>>
>> Lone
>
> A spelling checker would not make much difference there, both
> are valid words.
>
> Or did you do some kind of typo and you are stuck with a
> spelling checker which auto-corrects your typos without asking you what
> you really meant to say?
Well, there are spelling checkers, but can you imagine trying to write
an "is this the right word here" checker? ;-)
I just type so fast that I have time to proofread before I hit "send",
most of the time. And I usually catch most of the other mistrakes[SIC] an
ohnosecond _after_ hitting "send". ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:30:22 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>> short...
>>
>> You SURE don't want to go into your shop without pants. ;-)
>
> Oh, jeez, did you have to say that? I'm not going anywhere near my lathe for
> a while now...
Lathe? Pants? Man, that's one LOW lathe! ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:34:29 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> "Ed Huntress" wrote
>>
>>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>>> short...
>>>
>> Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have
...
>> He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow
>> some hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will
>> go with a buzz cut.
>
> 'Sounds wise to me. When I hear these stories I have to wonder why some
> do-gooder group hasn't done PSAs on television showing how your scalp
> can get peeled off if your hair is long and it gets caught in something.
>
> Spiro Agnew would have liked those.
I wear my hair long, but if I'm going to be working around moving
machinery, I tie it back and don't dangle it in moving parts.
And I'm very unlikely to get into an altercation with an intoxicated
woman, so I'm fairly safe in that respect. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:37:34 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
> ameijers wrote:
...
>> pony tail as a teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The
>> current buzz-cut fad, presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
>
> Doubt that it really has anything to do with war.
It has _everything_ to do with war. Militaries have regulated hair length
and beard length (or even a mandatory clean shave) for centuries, because
even the Phoenicians knew what a convenient hand-hold either one is.
I saw a guy in the NFL get pulled down by his hair, and it wasn't a foul,
because the defender hadn't grabbed his face mask, horse-collared him, or
clotheslined him, but pulled him down by his own body part, as if he'd had
his arm or something. It was the guy's hair, but the NFL ruled that if
he's stupid enough to leave it dangle out of his hat like that, that it's
fair game.
I wear my hair long, but I go to great lengths (pun unintended, but noted)
to avoid altercations with drunks. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:47:40 -0400, willshak wrote:
> on 9/10/2007 2:11 PM Ed Huntress said the following:
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
>>>> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>>>>> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>>>>> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>>>>> unfortunately went wrong.
>>>>>
>>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
>>> work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> short...
>
> My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
> The one tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared
> of) is the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade
> over the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
> The others, I'm just merely careful.
Would you trust one of these?
http://www.sawstop.com/
Cheers!
Rich
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> willshak wrote:
>>
>> You had dirt to grow berries in?
>
> i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
> lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
> it that way.
Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes! ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:51:03 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> In article <[email protected]>, clifto <[email protected]>
>>> The grammatical construction of the first part sounds stilted in
>>> today's world, but translating it into modernese, it says "Because a
>>> well-regulated
>>> militia is necessary to the security of a free State..."
>
> Pure guesswork. You can make no such assumption with a nominative absolute
> construction. You need to know the context, and there is no context.
The way I read it is, "Since it is necessary that the militia be
well-regulated, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
What this means that it is the duty of the well-armed citizenry to
keep the militia from turning itself into a police state. In other
words, it's the duty of the citizens to do the actual regulating.
For example, when the militia man shows up with his squad and
says, "We're going to confiscate all of your guns and burn all of
your subversive books", you can lock and load, aim, look him in
the eye, and say, "Guess again, bucko!"
Unfortunately, these days it seems that too many people are willing
to throw away their Liberty in exchange for the illusion of security.
Thanks,
Rich
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:58:06 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:58:06 +0000, [email protected] top-posted:
> They have a blade with the stop jambed in it at the local Woodcraft store
> signed by an ukulele maker who got to keep all his fingers, so I'd say it
> works. I'd still be just as carefull as I would with any other table saw.
> Karl
>
According to "Ask This Old House", you also have to push your work with
a weiner. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
>
>
> On Sep 15, 10:06 am, Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:47:40 -0400, willshak wrote:
>> > on 9/10/2007 2:11 PM Ed Huntress said the following:
>> >> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>> on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
>> >>>> Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or
>> >>>>> handywoman accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone
>> >>>>> you know, or saw it happen to, got to experience) and please
>> >>>>> elaborate on what unfortunately went wrong.
>>
>> >>> I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into
>> >>> my work shed or pick up a tool!
>>
>> >> I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.
>>
>> >> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
>> >> cut short...
>>
>> > My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long. The one
>> > tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared of) is
>> > the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade over
>> > the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
>> > The others, I'm just merely careful.
>>
>> Would you trust one of these?http://www.sawstop.com/
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Rich- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:27:31 -0000, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The perfect machinists clothing. No sleeves, no tie, not loose, only
>comes in black and made in extra large. What more can you ask for?:
>http://www.allaboutdance.com/s.nl/it.A/id.8767/.f;jsessionid=0a0004471f43683f0a09fad44467b0f8bd9be43fd4e7.e3iKaNePch4Re34Pa38Ta38OaNb0?sc=2&category=28
>Karl
>
Crom but thats soooooo gay......geeze....
>
>
>
>
>On Sep 10, 5:10 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:17:39 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"user" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
>> >>> short...
>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Ed Huntress
>>
>> >> Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
>> >> had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
>> >> one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
>> >> him, "What happened to you?"
>> >> The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"
>>
>> >> Yikes
>>
>> >> 5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
>> >> ever tell you to get your hair cut again."
>>
>> >> Didn't have long hair very much after that.
>>
>> >Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
>> >doesn't say anything about it. d8-)
>>
>> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
>> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>>
>> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
>> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
>> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
>> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
In article <[email protected]>,
"Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> > <[email protected]> writes
> >>
> >>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
> >>suggests
> >>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
> >>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
> >>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
> >>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
> >>
> > blah blah
> >
> > excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
> >
> > thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
> >
> >
> > --
> > geoff
>
> Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
> dangerous if you did. d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
Terrific. And take it off all the other off-topic groups, as well. Let's
see, that would leave, uh, um, alt.idiotic.flagwavers as your only
appropriate group.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:52:28 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Don
Klipstein) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>Owain wrote:
>>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> > [email protected] wrote:
>>> >>... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
>>> > A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
>>>
>>> One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
>>> duty for life :-)
>>
>> Making one pot of coffee with a little detegent in it excuses you of
>>having to EVER make coffee again. Have you ever seen a regular cup of
>>coffee with an inch of foam on the top? ;-)
>
> Now, what if I am the caffeine junkie and nobody else at the shop is in
>a mood for coffee and the pot is empty? Looks like I gotta brew it then!
>(or guzle some Mountain Dew.)
>
> Meanwhile, decades ago at a much younger age, I did put Joy (or
>the like) regular dish detergent in a dishwasher. This was one of those
>dishwashers with a dual hose that went to a fitting that fits onto a
>kitchen sink faucet. This generated a few cubic yards of foam at a rate
>2-3 orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which such foam can go
>down the drain, IIRC.
> Thankfully, the back door was at the kitchen and we had brooms. I don't
>remember whether or not the snow shovel was used.
>
> - Don Klipstein ([email protected])
Like SWMBO doing her first load of laundry while visiting friend who
had just regenerating the water softener.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:37:34 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> pony tail as a teenager, but am back to above-the collar now. The
>> current buzz-cut fad, presumably war-inspired, leaves me cold.
>
>Doubt that it really has anything to do with war. Circle goes
>around--when I was a little kid buzz cuts and crew cuts were popular.
>When I was a bit older styles got longer (I remember when the Beatles,
>as they appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, had scandalously long hair)
>and longer and longer and then shorter and shorter and shorter and now
>we're back to buzz cuts. In another 30 years or so it will be long
>again.
Shit..when I went to war..I wore a mohawk most of the time.
Gunner
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:52:31 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> This happened either just before I started orvery shortly afterwards
>> in another local office (now closed). We had some work experience kids
>> in with varying levels of handicap, and someone thought it would be
>> safe to let one of these kids use the shredder. Not even the
>> manufacturer believed you could get a whole hand in that far :-/
>
>Yikes. Over this past weekend some guy was killed when his
>shirt became entangled with a stump grinder being operated by
>some tree company. No word on why the homeowner was
>hanging around so close to the activity that he could get his
>shirt caught.
>
>nancy
>
I wonder if they still sent a bill to the house?
Gunner
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Jane & David
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <tPBEi.2171$Ot1.929@trnddc07>,
> "newman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair, was behind
>> guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around mechanism and
>> partially tore out part of her scalp.
>
>
>Whoa, that made my remaining hair stand up. Several years ago, I was
>doing a long rip with a circular saw and noticed that a few long hairs
>were bouncing off the blade. Only a few hairs had come untied and none
>got caught by the blade, but it scared the shit out of me and so that
>was the last day I ever had long hair (not that I could anyway lately).
>
>PDX David
Second son was working under his pickup when I came home from yard
saleing with a mechanics creeper, so I told him "here try this" and
left for another area of town. All went well at first, his pony tail
well secured; then he had to move a little to one side. I don't know
the fine details, but about an hour latter he was out from under the
truck.
Now he has a 1/2' brush cut.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SteveB wrote:
>
>>>>>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it
>>>>>>is generating more interest
>>>>>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the
>>>>>>First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your own rights
>>>>>>rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.
>>>>>>
>>
>> People screeching in this newsgroup on OT subjects have the credibility
>> of anyone screeching from atop a step ladder on the corner in a major
>> city.
>>
> Perhaps so, but so what? As you point out, some posters consider much of
> what is said idiotic. It does no need to cry about it, and those who do
> any way are well on the road to becoming anal retentive.
> Usenet is a forum for people to speak out. If they are speaking out on an
> off-topic subject and you want to stay on-topic, just mark the whole
> thread as "read" and get on with your life.
NO, NO, NO. I killfile the idiots first. Most never have anything to say
about the group they are responding to anyway. When I killfile some of
these people, my list of posts sometimes lessen by 20%. They must need to
get a life to get on with.
Steve
willshak wrote:
> on 9/11/2007 11:34 PM Gunner said the following:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:43 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>>>>>>> wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Free men own guns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And dead people are the result
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Actully..you did have a Bill of Rights, which guarenteed weapons
>> ownership, until you used it for bumwad
>>
>> Now you are simply a serf, owned by the State.
>>
>> Doesnt that collar around your neck bother you?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>
> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
> ownership?
> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
> it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed".
> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>
>
>
The Constitution of the United States of America contains in the first
TEN amendments FOUR references to "PEOPLE". Why is it that the second
reference is interpreted by the anti gun fanatics to mean the GOVERNMENT
and the other THREE references to mean them?
A clear and concise answer please, no prevarications....
On 17 Sep 2007 06:39:55 GMT, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:20:52 UTC, Ferd Farkel <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sep 8, 6:53 pm, "Bob Eager" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:47:23 UTC, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>> > > > What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
>> > > > accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
>> > > > it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
>> > > > unfortunately went wrong.
>> >
>> > Don't really want to feed this journalist/'researcher' but..
>> >
>> > (a not uncommon scenario)
>> >
>> > I worked in a large garage for a couple of summers. Guy fiddling around
>> > under dashboard of car. Wearing watch with stainless steel bracelet.
>> > Yes...shorted heavy 12 volt cable to car body via bracelet. Lots of
>> > current and heat.
>> >
>> > I wear a loose, thin stainless steel chain on one wrist. Take it off
>> > when working inside PCs, on cars, near batteries, etc...
>>
>> Traditional "grounding strap" when working on static sensitive
>> MOSFETs is a steel wristwatch band connected via a 1 meg
>> resistor to a wire connected to a grounded pipe.
>
>Pretty stupid idea unless the outside of the band is insulated, though.
>Proper earthing straps are cheap.
Generally when working with static sensitive electronics your power is
also limited toless than an amp. Generally you would blow the
protection fuse before heating the bracelet up enough to do any
damage.
In automotive and high power apps this obviously is not true.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
In article <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>Owain wrote:
>>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> > [email protected] wrote:
>> >>... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
>> > A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.
>>
>> One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
>> duty for life :-)
>
> Making one pot of coffee with a little detegent in it excuses you of
>having to EVER make coffee again. Have you ever seen a regular cup of
>coffee with an inch of foam on the top? ;-)
Now, what if I am the caffeine junkie and nobody else at the shop is in
a mood for coffee and the pot is empty? Looks like I gotta brew it then!
(or guzle some Mountain Dew.)
Meanwhile, decades ago at a much younger age, I did put Joy (or
the like) regular dish detergent in a dishwasher. This was one of those
dishwashers with a dual hose that went to a fitting that fits onto a
kitchen sink faucet. This generated a few cubic yards of foam at a rate
2-3 orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which such foam can go
down the drain, IIRC.
Thankfully, the back door was at the kitchen and we had brooms. I don't
remember whether or not the snow shovel was used.
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
In article <[email protected]>,
Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
> accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
> it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
> unfortunately went wrong.
My dad was a contractor for decades. He did mostly fairly large projects
such as home additions, and that sort of thing. Some of his projects
were even featured in national magazines, so he had a great reputation.
When business got slow, my dad would accept smaller projects. I used to
help my dad out on jobs for many years.
On one job that consisted of adding a deck onto a kitchen in a modest
row house, my dad had to remove a window air conditioner in order to
knock down the kitchen's exterior wall.
My dad declined my offer to help and he said it was just a light air
conditioner and he could handle it himself. He opened the window to
release the air conditioner and it dropped out to the ground below. The
man who owned the home and I were both watching as this happened and the
look on my dad's face was priceless.
As it happened, the customer was behind in paying my dad, but my dad
liked the guy so he didn't make a big deal of it. After the crashing
sound ended, my dad just said in a smug face to the customer that he
could deduct the price of a new AC off the money he owed my dad.
Fortunately, the customer was nice about the situation, but the look on
his and my dad's faces just cracked me up. I was literarily on the floor
laughing! The look on my dad's face as he snarled at me to stop laughing
only made me laugh more.
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "F. George McDuffee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > <snip>
>> >>Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
>> >>Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
>> > and s**t disturbing.
>> >
>> > In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
>> > on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
>> > least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
>> > legislators.
>> >
>> > This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
>> > er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.
>>
>> Not to mention us new members. <g>
>>
>> I forgot to mention that the sweet young thing offered me a lifetime
>> membership at the reduced rate of $700. I told her she'd have to reduce
>> it a
>> hell of a lot more than that before it was a good deal for me...
>
>
> "700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
You're crude. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
on 9/12/2007 5:09 AM Gunner said the following:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> | How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>
>> I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
>>
>
> United States Code 13
>
> § 311. Militia: composition and classes
>
> (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
> at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
> title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
> declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
> of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
> National Guard.
> (b) The classes of the militia are
> (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
> the Naval Militia; and
> (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
> militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
> Militia.
>
>
> Pay particular attention to Section 2
>
> Gunner
>
311.(a) says the militia shall consist of 'able bodied males' between
the ages of 17 and 45, and 'females who are members of the National Guard'.
I read that as males not in that age group, or females not in the
National Guard, are not members of a militia.
That's what it says, whether or not one disagrees with it.
(2) refers to 'members of the militia', which is defined in 311 (a)
From http://www.ushistory.org/people/minutemen.htm
"Although the terms militia and minutemen are sometimes used
interchangeably today, in the 18th century there was a decided
difference between the two. _Militia were men in arms formed _to protect
their towns from foreign invasion and ravages of war. Minutemen were a
small hand-picked elite force which were required to be highly mobile
and able to assemble quickly. _Minutemen were selected from militia
muster rolls by their commanding officers_. Typically 25 years of age or
younger, they were chosen for their enthusiasm, reliability, and
physical strength. Usually about one quarter of the militia served as
Minutemen, performing additional duties as such. The Minutemen were the
first armed militia to arrive or await a battle.
Bring on more insults.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 9/12/2007 4:49 PM Michael A. Terrell said the following:
> willshak wrote:
>
>> Bring on more insults.
>>
>
>
> Why? Can't you afford a mirror?
I have a few of them.
I also have a DD214. Sorry about your injury. I was fortunate to have
served between the Korean and Viet Nam wars.
I also have a certificate honoring my 38 years of municipal service,
which service required that I enforce the criminal and traffic laws of
New York State and carry a gun when on duty.
I also own 5 handguns and two rifles.
I also was once a member of the NRA.
Surprised?
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 9/13/2007 8:36 AM Kurt Ullman said the following:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> F. George McDuffee wrote:
>>
>> | Over time, we grew our own, until we are again overrun.
>>
>> Perhaps we can learn from our mistakes. Next time we might consider
>> drinking the tea and throwing the _politicians_ into the harbor. :-)
>>
>>
> Which of course brings up the immortal words of Claire Wolfe:
> "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
> to work within the system, but too early to shoot
> the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
>
To quote Robin William's character, Presidential candidate Tom Dobbs, in
"Man of the Year".
"Politicians are a lot like diapers. They should be changed frequently,
and for the same reasons."
UK - diapers = nappies
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>>brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>>ships to land and populate that land?
>>
>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>>made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>>understand each other
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>
> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox, syphillis
> and broken promises just to name a few...
>
...
Actually, syphilis went from the Americas to Europe in 1493.
raden wrote:
>
> And lets not forget that more british soldiers were killed by septics
> than by enemy combatants in the first gulf war
Which only proves that you're not the supermen you claim to be, nor
careful enough in a war zone.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Gunner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:05:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
> ><[email protected]> writes
> >>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
> >>><[email protected]> writes
> >>>>raden wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
> >>>>> <[email protected]> writes
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
> >>>>> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
> >>>>> >then I am all for it.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
> >>>>state.
> >>>>
> >>>One of the more sensible laws we have
> >>
> >>True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
> >>either.
> >
> >
> >So you're "gunner" in name only then ?
>
> Huh? My real world nickname is Gunner. Has been for over 30 yrs.
>
> Btw..I do get a clean bill of health every 2 yrs. I have the card in
> my pocket as proof.
>
> CCW permit.
>
> And your proof is where again?
The card in 'his' pocket lets him out of the asylum, but only to go
to work. Even they don't wantr him running loose.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
willshak wrote:
>
> on 9/12/2007 4:49 PM Michael A. Terrell said the following:
> > willshak wrote:
> >
> >> Bring on more insults.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why? Can't you afford a mirror?
>
> I have a few of them.
> I also have a DD214. There are a lot of US Veterans on this newsgroup. :)
> Sorry about your injury.
I served during Vietnam era, but never saw combat. I had severe
health problems, but a very good background in electronics so they
drafted me, after telling me I couldn't enlist because of five separate
4F ratings. I was legally disabled when I was drafted, but I served. I
tested out of the three year electronics school for broadcast engineer
while I was in basic training, and skipped AIT. It was a few years ago
those problems got so bad that I can no longer work.
> I was fortunate to have
> served between the Korean and Viet Nam wars.
Only one person in seven in the US military ever sees combat. Some
people don't understand that. There is more to a fighting force than
the front line, and everything has to work properly, or those at the
front line all die.
> I also have a certificate honoring my 38 years of municipal service,
> which service required that I enforce the criminal and traffic laws of
> New York State and carry a gun when on duty.
Good for you. :) Were you an MP or SP wile in the military? A lot of
the better police officers got their training that way. I only met a
couple bad ones while in the US Army. I bet that they all remembered me
for a while. It's amazing what a quick talk with their watch commander
can do when they screw up. :) I worked 'Weathervision' at Ft. Rucker
and had several try to keep me from doing my duty. All the watch
commander had to hear was 'Weathervision' and the MP got yelled at, and
reminded that if our group didn't get their job done, the helicopter
school had to shut down.
I received a letter of commendation from my commanding General for my
work to resurrect a totally screwed up AFRTS TV station. I ignored that
everything was depot level work, and fixed everything in the station.
Then the station manager tried to have me court martailed for
'dereliction of duty' for the work I did. It was quickly dropped, and I
was promoted. :)
I went back into electronics after I left the service. At my last job
I was building telemetry equipment for a lot of US government agencies,
some that are still under NDA.
> I also own 5 handguns and two rifles.
> I also was once a member of the NRA.
> Surprised?
Not really. I was just responding to your jab. ;-)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "F. George McDuffee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
> >>Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
> > <snip>
> >
> > While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
> > and s**t disturbing.
> >
> > In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
> > on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
> > least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
> > legislators.
> >
> > This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
> > er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.
>
> Not to mention us new members. <g>
>
> I forgot to mention that the sweet young thing offered me a lifetime
> membership at the reduced rate of $700. I told her she'd have to reduce it a
> hell of a lot more than that before it was a good deal for me...
"700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
>
> You're crude. d8-)
You should hear me tell off telemarketers. ;-)
I had one Heating A/C company call me 35 times in one week, insisting
that I needed their annual inspection service on a central air system.
(I didn't even have a window unit.) This was before the do not call
list.
The last time they called I told them that I had hundreds of retired
friends in town, and if they called me one more time that these people
would take turns tying up all of the company's phone lines with stupid
questions, and calling to have the company send their sales people out
to give estimates, with no intention of spending a dime and promised her
that it would be damn near impossible for a legitimate customer to get
through on their phone lines. She yelled, "That's harassment!" I
laughed and told her, 'Now you know how I feel.'
They never called back. Was it something I said?
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > "700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
> >>
> >> You're crude. d8-)
> >
> >
> > You should hear me tell off telemarketers. ;-)
> >
> > I had one Heating A/C company call me 35 times in one week, insisting
> > that I needed their annual inspection service on a central air system.
> > (I didn't even have a window unit.) This was before the do not call
> > list.
> >
> > The last time they called I told them that I had hundreds of retired
> > friends in town, and if they called me one more time that these people
> > would take turns tying up all of the company's phone lines with stupid
> > questions, and calling to have the company send their sales people out
> > to give estimates, with no intention of spending a dime and promised her
> > that it would be damn near impossible for a legitimate customer to get
> > through on their phone lines. She yelled, "That's harassment!" I
> > laughed and told her, 'Now you know how I feel.'
> >
> > They never called back. Was it something I said?
>
> That's fun, but it takes a lot of time. I just say, "Excuse me a minute,
> I'll be right back." Then I put down the phone and read a book or something.
> Five minutes later I just hang up the phone.
>
> I was having fun with the young ladies from the NRA the other night, though.
> I just couldn't say no in the end. d8-)
They were tying up my business phoneline, and I only had a single line
in the shop.
--
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Did you hear about the SUV that offered the gun a ride? They went out and
ran over a guy, and then shot him.
Both free on lease.....
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.
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.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >
: > 27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
:
: Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully tried
: for murder.
:
Why is it that the places with the highest gun crime rate (Wash DC, LA, NYC)
also have the strictest gun control?
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.
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"Colin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
: >
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
:
: So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
: for guns keeping crime down...
:
: >
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
:
: Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
: murdered by a gun toting luntic
:
: 27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>>
>>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers brought to your shore. Was it
>>>the Mayflower that was one of the first ships to land and populate that land?
>>>
>>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we made to it over the years.
>>>Hence we talk the same language, but do not understand each other
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery,
Oh for goodness sake you gave us Lloyd Grossman. Lets call it even.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>
>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>
>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>ships to land and populate that land?
>
>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>understand each other
>
>Dave
Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox, syphillis
and broken promises just to name a few...
And you think thats a good thing?
Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
grateful
Gunner, Native American
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:01:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>> ownership?
>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read it,
>> completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>> infringed".
>> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>
>It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
>It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
>Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of the
>clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be a
>dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
>necessary condition.
>
>Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it wouldn't
>be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally ambiguous.
>The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the anti-federalists to
>calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
Not at all in agreement with much of any of this post. However, most
of it is opinion or subject to argument. However, that last piece is
not. The Bill of Rights was proposed by Congress and submited to the
States AFTER the Constitution had been ratified. The Constitution was
ratified by the 9th state on June 21, 1788 and became effective on
March 4, 1789. The first Congress under the Constitution submitted the
Bill Of Rights to the States for consideration as Amendments to the
Constitution on September 25, 1789. The Bill of Rights (or the first
10 Amendments to the Constitution) became effective on December 15,
1791. Clearly this timeline shows that the purpose was NOT "to get the
anti-federalists to calm down and ratify the Constitution" though
admittedly there was much talk about a Bill of Rights at the various
legislatures when the states were debating the Constitution. The
Federalist Papers and "anti-Federalist Papers" represent a number of
articles discussing this in the context of the times (along with a lot
of other issues of concern with the proposed Constitution).
"In Massachusetts, the Constitution ran into serious, organized
opposition. Only after two leading Antifederalists, Adams and Hancock,
negotiated a far-reaching compromise did the convention vote for
ratification on February 6, 1788 (187168). Antifederalists had
demanded that the Constitution be amended before they would consider
it or that amendments be a condition of ratification; Federalists had
retorted that it had to be accepted or rejected as it was. Under the
Massachusetts compromise, the delegates recommended amendments to be
considered by the new Congress, should the Constitution go into
effect. The Massachusetts compromise determined the fate of the
Constitution, as it permitted delegates with doubts to vote for it in
the hope that it would be amended."[7]
Four of the next five states to ratify, including New Hampshire,
Virginia, and New York, included similar language in their
ratification instruments. They all sent recommendations for amendments
with their ratification documents to the new Congress. Since many of
these recommendations pertained to safeguarding personal rights, this
pressured Congress to add a Bill of Rights after Constitutional
ratification. Additionally, North Carolina refused to ratify the
Constitution until progress was made on the issue of the Bill of
Rights. Thus, while the Anti-Federalists were unsuccessful in their
quest to prevent the adoption of the Constitution, their efforts were
not totally in vain." [from Wikipedia - yeah I know that is not
autoritative]
Dave Hall
>Gunner does identify the source of the idea of our 2nd Amendment as a
>"right," however, which is English common law.
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>>> either.
>>
>>Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
>>both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>>
>>Remember to cite your sources.
>
> Of course.
>
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>
> Note that those are total murders by all methods
>
> Now lets look at those committed with firearms
>
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>
> Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
> other than firearms.
>
> So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?
>
> Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its crime
> rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/05/ncrime05.xml&site=5&page=0
And other countries don't do that?
I betya they do.
tim
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>> either.
>
>Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
>both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>
>Remember to cite your sources.
Of course.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
Note that those are total murders by all methods
Now lets look at those committed with firearms
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
other than firearms.
So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?
Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its crime
rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/05/ncrime05.xml&site=5&page=0
Now..lets look at gun crime in the UK shall we?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm
"By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than
America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.
You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New
York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed
individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but
criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A
study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the
police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when
people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England. "
"A study comparing New York and London over 200 years found the New
York homicide rate consistently five times the London rate, although
for most of that period residents of both cities had unrestricted
access to firearms.
When guns were available in England they were seldom used in crime. A
government study for 1890-1892 found an average of one handgun
homicide a year in a population of 30 million. But murder rates for
both countries are now changing. In 1981 the American rate was 8.7
times the English rate, in 1995 it was 5.7 times the English rate, and
by last year it was 3.5 times. With American rates described as "in
startling free-fall" and British rates as of October 2002 the highest
for 100 years the two are on a path to converge. "
Oh oh.....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2317307.ece
Geeze..seems like its (murder) is out of control ..and they want to
redefine it in the UK....
http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/docs/lc304.pdf
2006 totals of murders by country (by all methods)
United States: 12,658
United Kingdom: 850
US population 302,849,527
UK population 60,600,00
US population is nearly 5 times that of the UK
Adjusted UK murder rate is 4250
Murders committed by gang members in the US (ages 12- 30yrs)
8,239
12,658 minus 8239 = 4419 or 169 more in the US than in the UK.
Odd..shouldnt the numbers be radically different? Odd that with so
many guns in the US, as opposed to so few in the UK...why is there
only 169 more in the US than in the UK?
The numbers of course should be zero or close to it in the UK, with
their draconian gun ban.
Why isnt it?
But then..that explains why rape, hot burglarly and assaults are
higher in the UK, by an order of magntude than those in the US.
Because its illegal to defend oneself in the UK.Ne?
gunner
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm
Odd..while the crime rate in the US is falling like a rock..it seems
to be skyrocketing in the UK, along with gun crime.
Strange how that happens
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:42:32 +0100, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>
>"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> raden wrote:
>>> In message <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>>> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
>>>>>> because?
>>
>I think his point is that guns can kill at a distance, which makes it easier to reach a state of mind
>where shooting someone is desirable, and where it carries less consequences.
>
It should be noted that of serial murderers..damned few used any sort
of firearm, most were up close and personal.
Gunner
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
for guns keeping crime down...
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
murdered by a gun toting luntic
27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>>'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>>brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
>>ships to land and populate that land?
>>
>>It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
>>made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
>>understand each other
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>
> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery,
We also pioneered the abolition of it as well.
> small pox, syphillis
You would have got that anyway :-(
It was not just our country that had it
> and broken promises just to name a few...
You don't have politicians over there?
> And you think thats a good thing?
Not necessarily
> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
> grateful
It is nice to know that you are native American, but can you expand on
that for an ignorant Brit please?
Dave
In message <[email protected]>, Colin
Wilson <[email protected]> writes
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>
>So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
>for guns keeping crime down...
>
>>
>>http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-
>>firearms-per-capita
>
>Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
>murdered by a gun toting luntic
>
>27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
And lets not forget that more british soldiers were killed by septics
than by enemy combatants in the first gulf war
--
geoff
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
>Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
<snip>
While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
and s**t disturbing.
In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
legislators.
This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
============
Merchants have no country.
The mere spot they stand on
does not constitute so strong an attachment
as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826),
U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814.
"F. George McDuffee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> <snip>
>>Oh, I doubt that. Is there some historical support for that, say, in the
>>first years after our independence? There sure were plenty of armed
>>citizens
>>around.
> <snip>
> While this depends on definitions, while there were indeed plenty
> of armed citizens in the first few years of the Republic, there
> was an almost total lack of politicians and functionaries as they
> had all decided to move back to England (either before or after
> the tar and feathers). Over time, we grew our own, until we are
> again overrun.
...sigh... George, I can't wait until you write your book. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > "700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)
>>
>> You're crude. d8-)
>
>
> You should hear me tell off telemarketers. ;-)
>
> I had one Heating A/C company call me 35 times in one week, insisting
> that I needed their annual inspection service on a central air system.
> (I didn't even have a window unit.) This was before the do not call
> list.
>
> The last time they called I told them that I had hundreds of retired
> friends in town, and if they called me one more time that these people
> would take turns tying up all of the company's phone lines with stupid
> questions, and calling to have the company send their sales people out
> to give estimates, with no intention of spending a dime and promised her
> that it would be damn near impossible for a legitimate customer to get
> through on their phone lines. She yelled, "That's harassment!" I
> laughed and told her, 'Now you know how I feel.'
>
> They never called back. Was it something I said?
That's fun, but it takes a lot of time. I just say, "Excuse me a minute,
I'll be right back." Then I put down the phone and read a book or something.
Five minutes later I just hang up the phone.
I was having fun with the young ladies from the NRA the other night, though.
I just couldn't say no in the end. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
tim..... wrote:
> "Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>>>> either.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun
>>> crime
>>> both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.
>>>
>>> Remember to cite your sources.
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>>
>> Note that those are total murders by all methods
>>
>> Now lets look at those committed with firearms
>>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>>
>> Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
>> other than firearms.
>>
>> So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?
>>
>> Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its
>> crime
>> rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/05/ncrime05.xml&site=5&page=0
>
> And other countries don't do that?
>
> I betya they do.
You might find
http://www.statscom.org.uk/uploads/files/reports/Crime_Statistics_Review-final.pdf
to be of interest. Among other things, they point out that in the UK
the national crime reporting system has only been in place since 2002.
In the US it has been in places since some time in the 1930s and it is
generally accepted (at least among those who have been involved with
the development of that system) that it initially badly underestimated
the amount of crime that went on as the local departments on whose
data it relies didn't bother to file reports--now it's mostly
automated and tied into the National Crime Information Center. Still,
some of the issues raised in the UK report also apply to the US--if
nobody reports the crime then it doesn't go into the system for
example.
Would be very interesting if the difference in US and worldwide crime
rates turned out to be an artifact of the reporting.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Colin Wilson wrote:
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
>
> So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so
> much
> for guns keeping crime down...
>
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
>
> Your stats are working great - we're only 27 times less likely to be
> murdered by a gun toting luntic
>
> 27 times more likely to be murdered by a gun - I wonder why...
Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully tried
for murder.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Colin Wilson wrote:
>> Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully
>> tried
>> for murder.
>
> So if the gun itself isn't the nutter, the gun is owned BY the
> nutter.
And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
murder.
Now, why it is that killing someone with underwear is OK with you but
not if a firearm is used?
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
>>
>> 'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
>> brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the
>> first
>> ships to land and populate that land?
>>
>> It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes
>> that
>> we made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but
>> do not understand each other
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox,
> syphillis
> and broken promises just to name a few...
Actually that was the Spanish that started all that. By the time the
British arrived small pox, syphilis, and broken promises were well
established. The slavery part the indigenous population had already
figured out on their own.
> And you think thats a good thing?
>
> Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
> grateful
And the Spanish put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing.
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SteveB wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>>> Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully
>>>> tried
>>>> for murder.
>>>
>>> So if the gun itself isn't the nutter, the gun is owned BY the
>>> nutter.
>
> Lets take if a step further. The one who should be tried is the
> government who allows such nutters to have guns.
>
> Right?
>
> I mean, it's the next logical step.
If the government does in fact "allow such nutters to have guns".
--
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--John
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:05:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
><[email protected]> writes
>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>raden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
>>>>> >ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
>>>>> >then I am all for it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>>>state.
>>>>
>>>One of the more sensible laws we have
>>
>>True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>>either.
>
>
>So you're "gunner" in name only then ?
Huh? My real world nickname is Gunner. Has been for over 30 yrs.
Btw..I do get a clean bill of health every 2 yrs. I have the card in
my pocket as proof.
CCW permit.
And your proof is where again?
Gunner
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>Oh, I doubt that. Is there some historical support for that, say, in the
>first years after our independence? There sure were plenty of armed citizens
>around.
<snip>
While this depends on definitions, while there were indeed plenty
of armed citizens in the first few years of the Republic, there
was an almost total lack of politicians and functionaries as they
had all decided to move back to England (either before or after
the tar and feathers). Over time, we grew our own, until we are
again overrun.
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
============
Merchants have no country.
The mere spot they stand on
does not constitute so strong an attachment
as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826),
U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:21:29 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>| How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>
>I, and a great many others here, have so belonged.
United States Code 13
§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of
title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and
of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and
the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval
Militia.
Pay particular attention to Section 2
Gunner
In article <[email protected]>,
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
> | Over time, we grew our own, until we are again overrun.
>
> Perhaps we can learn from our mistakes. Next time we might consider
> drinking the tea and throwing the _politicians_ into the harbor. :-)
>
Which of course brings up the immortal words of Claire Wolfe:
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:50:46 -0400, Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:01:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>>> ownership?
>>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read it,
>>> completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>> infringed".
>>> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>
>>It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
>>It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
>>Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of the
>>clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be a
>>dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
>>necessary condition.
>>
>>Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it wouldn't
>>be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally ambiguous.
>>The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the anti-federalists to
>>calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>Not at all in agreement with much of any of this post. However, most
>of it is opinion or subject to argument. However, that last piece is
>not. The Bill of Rights was proposed by Congress and submited to the
>States AFTER the Constitution had been ratified. The Constitution was
>ratified by the 9th state on June 21, 1788 and became effective on
>March 4, 1789. The first Congress under the Constitution submitted the
>Bill Of Rights to the States for consideration as Amendments to the
>Constitution on September 25, 1789. The Bill of Rights (or the first
>10 Amendments to the Constitution) became effective on December 15,
>1791. Clearly this timeline shows that the purpose was NOT "to get the
>anti-federalists to calm down and ratify the Constitution" though
>admittedly there was much talk about a Bill of Rights at the various
>legislatures when the states were debating the Constitution. The
>Federalist Papers and "anti-Federalist Papers" represent a number of
>articles discussing this in the context of the times (along with a lot
>of other issues of concern with the proposed Constitution).
>
>"In Massachusetts, the Constitution ran into serious, organized
>opposition. Only after two leading Antifederalists, Adams and Hancock,
>negotiated a far-reaching compromise did the convention vote for
>ratification on February 6, 1788 (187168). Antifederalists had
>demanded that the Constitution be amended before they would consider
>it or that amendments be a condition of ratification; Federalists had
>retorted that it had to be accepted or rejected as it was. Under the
>Massachusetts compromise, the delegates recommended amendments to be
>considered by the new Congress, should the Constitution go into
>effect. The Massachusetts compromise determined the fate of the
>Constitution, as it permitted delegates with doubts to vote for it in
>the hope that it would be amended."[7]
>
>Four of the next five states to ratify, including New Hampshire,
>Virginia, and New York, included similar language in their
>ratification instruments. They all sent recommendations for amendments
>with their ratification documents to the new Congress. Since many of
>these recommendations pertained to safeguarding personal rights, this
>pressured Congress to add a Bill of Rights after Constitutional
>ratification. Additionally, North Carolina refused to ratify the
>Constitution until progress was made on the issue of the Bill of
>Rights. Thus, while the Anti-Federalists were unsuccessful in their
>quest to prevent the adoption of the Constitution, their efforts were
>not totally in vain." [from Wikipedia - yeah I know that is not
>autoritative]
>
>
>
>Dave Hall
>>Gunner does identify the source of the idea of our 2nd Amendment as a
>>"right," however, which is English common law.
Oddly enough..virtually every state in the Union also includes some
form of 2nd Amendment guarantee in its state constitution as well
Gunner
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:20:03 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>If you want to rebut by pointing out that there is no tyranny, then I
>>give you my very happiest smiley. :-)
>>
>One of our political comedians offered three thousand pounds ( the
>proceeds from an article he wrote) to anyone who killed George Bush, and
>as a true patriot, you should all be leaping at the chance
>
>
>--
>geoff
If someone offered 3 pence and a imperial gallon of Stout for your
demise...Id be hunting a hole if I were you.
Gunner
In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now, why it is that killing someone with underwear is OK with you but
> not if a firearm is used?
Actually the law gives a discount to murderers who use chainsaws rather
than guns, in that there is often an extra penalty for using a gun but
none for using a chainsaw ;)
Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>> Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully
>>> tried
>>> for murder.
>>
>> So if the gun itself isn't the nutter, the gun is owned BY the
>> nutter.
Lets take if a step further. The one who should be tried is the government
who allows such nutters to have guns.
Right?
I mean, it's the next logical step.
Steve
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:37:03 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
>>><[email protected]> writes
>>>>raden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>>>>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to
>>>>> >defending ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the
>>>>> >house, then I am all for it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Do you understand nurfink?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
>>>>state.
>>>>
>>>One of the more sensible laws we have
>>
>> True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
>> either. Pity your nation is filled with such.
>>
>> Gunner
>
> Seems there is a significant scandal in the UK right now regarding
>ministers having cooked to books to under-report the number of, and
>escalating amount of gun crimes in that safe, gun-free country.
That's been happening for years. Only crimes that were solved and
arrests made, were often only counted.
In fact..my friends in the UK say law enforcement is so incompetent or
overwhelmed, that most don't bother reporting crimes.
Shrug
Gunner
>
> Free men own guns, slaves don't.
"Dave Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:01:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>>> ownership?
>>> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
>>> it,
>>> completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>> infringed".
>>> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>
>>It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
>>It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
>>Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of the
>>clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be a
>>dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
>>necessary condition.
>>
>>Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it wouldn't
>>be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally
>>ambiguous.
>>The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the anti-federalists to
>>calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
> Not at all in agreement with much of any of this post. However, most
> of it is opinion or subject to argument.
None of it is opinion. Opinions are what people have when they don't have
the facts. The facts in this case are not at all difficult to find.
The first part you can clear up by finding a good English grammar text,
British or American. Or look up "nominative absolute" on the Web. It ought
to be there someplace.
FWIW, a "clause" in the law means several things. In English, it means just
one thing. A phrase can be a clause in legal terms but not in grammatical
terms. And it is the grammar of it, not the law, that determines such things
as grammatical dependency.
I've been an editor for 34 years. Don' gimme no stuff. <g>
> However, that last piece is
> not. The Bill of Rights was proposed by Congress and submited to the
> States AFTER the Constitution had been ratified. The Constitution was
> ratified by the 9th state on June 21, 1788 and became effective on
> March 4, 1789. The first Congress under the Constitution submitted the
> Bill Of Rights to the States for consideration as Amendments to the
> Constitution on September 25, 1789. The Bill of Rights (or the first
> 10 Amendments to the Constitution) became effective on December 15,
> 1791. Clearly this timeline shows that the purpose was NOT "to get the
> anti-federalists to calm down and ratify the Constitution" though
> admittedly there was much talk about a Bill of Rights at the various
> legislatures when the states were debating the Constitution.
Your understanding of it is incorrect. Those states that demanded an
explicit bill of rights ratified on the condition that Congress would
produce one. This fact is all over the history books. It's not a
controversial issue.
> The
> Federalist Papers and "anti-Federalist Papers" represent a number of
> articles discussing this in the context of the times (along with a lot
> of other issues of concern with the proposed Constitution).
>
> "In Massachusetts, the Constitution ran into serious, organized
> opposition. Only after two leading Antifederalists, Adams and Hancock,
> negotiated a far-reaching compromise did the convention vote for
> ratification on February 6, 1788 (187-168).
...which is what I said above, and which you appear to be contesting.
> Antifederalists had
> demanded that the Constitution be amended before they would consider
> it or that amendments be a condition of ratification; Federalists had
> retorted that it had to be accepted or rejected as it was. Under the
> Massachusetts compromise, the delegates recommended amendments to be
> considered by the new Congress, should the Constitution go into
> effect. The Massachusetts compromise determined the fate of the
> Constitution, as it permitted delegates with doubts to vote for it in
> the hope that it would be amended."[7]
...as I said above.
>
> Four of the next five states to ratify, including New Hampshire,
> Virginia, and New York, included similar language in their
> ratification instruments. They all sent recommendations for amendments
> with their ratification documents to the new Congress. Since many of
> these recommendations pertained to safeguarding personal rights, this
> pressured Congress to add a Bill of Rights after Constitutional
> ratification. Additionally, North Carolina refused to ratify the
> Constitution until progress was made on the issue of the Bill of
> Rights. Thus, while the Anti-Federalists were unsuccessful in their
> quest to prevent the adoption of the Constitution, their efforts were
> not totally in vain." [from Wikipedia - yeah I know that is not
> autoritative]
...as I said above.
Just what is it you're contesting?
--
Ed Huntress
"F. George McDuffee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> <snip>
>>Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
>>Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
> <snip>
>
> While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
> and s**t disturbing.
>
> In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
> on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
> least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
> legislators.
>
> This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
> er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.
Not to mention us new members. <g>
I forgot to mention that the sweet young thing offered me a lifetime
membership at the reduced rate of $700. I told her she'd have to reduce it a
hell of a lot more than that before it was a good deal for me...
--
Ed Huntress
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:48:16 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
><[email protected]> writes
>>raden wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the more sensible laws we have
>>
>>
>> Certainly! If you were allowed to own guns, you might tuurn back
>>into real men.
>>
>What would you know
It doesnt take much skill to recognize castrati such as yourself.
Gunner
friend of mine was on tractor and his wife, who had long hair, was behind
guiding post-hole digger. her hair got wrapped around mechanism and
partially tore out part of her scalp.
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Ken <[email protected]> wrote
> What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman
> or handywoman accidents that you've experienced so far
> (or someone you know, or saw it happen to, got to experience)
> and please elaborate on what unfortunately went wrong.
This has just happened in my town, to people known to me.
The first one was a classic agricultural accident, the individual
was wearing a coat that got caught in the tractor PTO shaft.
By himself, not much left except mangled remains.
Then at the wake, another was silly enough to climb the
TV tower because the antenna wasnt working properly.
The tower collapsed and he was killed in the process.
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> raden wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>, Gunner
>><[email protected]> writes
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>>>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>geoff
>>>
>>>
>>>why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
>>>
>>
>>And you septics claim to understand English ?
>>
>>--
>>geoff
>
>
>
> We do, whe just don't get 'British'.
'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
ships to land and populate that land?
It was you that chose to bastardise it, by ignoring the changes that we
made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
understand each other
Dave
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:05 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> John
>>Here in the US it is called a crew cut too. Back in the 50's there was
>>a singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
>
>
>We used to call it a "bog brush" at school
>
>
>--
>geoff
why would anyone want to brush a swamp?
Gunner
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
> ownership?
> Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read it,
> completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed".
> How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of the
clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be a
dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
necessary condition.
Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it wouldn't
be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally ambiguous.
The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the anti-federalists to
calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
Gunner does identify the source of the idea of our 2nd Amendment as a
"right," however, which is English common law.
--
Ed Huntress
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>raden wrote:
>>
>> One of the more sensible laws we have
>
>
> Certainly! If you were allowed to own guns, you might tuurn back
>into real men.
>
What would you know
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geoff
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:32:19 GMT, raden <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >>Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
>> >>wristwatches and I have all my fingers left ;)
>> >
>> >Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Free men own guns
>> >
>> >And dead people are the result
>>
>> Dead bad people for the most part.
>>
>> You seem to think this is a bad thing?
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
> He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>
We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
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geoff
In message <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes
>On Sep 22, 8:07 am, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>> <[email protected]> writes
>
>> >"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
>> >> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>> >>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>> >>>suggests
>> >>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>> >>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>> >>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>> >>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>
>> >> blah blah
>>
>> >> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>>
>> >> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>>
>> >> --
>> >> geoff
>>
>> >Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
>> >dangerous if you did. d8-)
>>
>> Another stupid septic ...
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>Would you please trim the "rec." groups from your rants, hypocrite t?
>
FFS piss off you window lickers
you reply including uk.d-i-y in your header, I'll reply back with abuse
OK ?
now fuck off
--
geoff
On Sep 22, 8:07 am, geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> <[email protected]> writes
> >"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> >> <[email protected]> writes
>
> >>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
> >>>suggests
> >>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
> >>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
> >>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
> >>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>
> >> blah blah
>
> >> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>
> >> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>
> >> --
> >> geoff
>
> >Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
> >dangerous if you did. d8-)
>
> Another stupid septic ...
>
> --
> geoff
Would you please trim the "rec." groups from your rants, hypocrite t?
Thanks.
Slater
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:28:42 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>
>>>Don't get grumpy, Gunner. I just know what's coming, and it could be a
>>>beaut. If it were me I'd list all the citations from US v Emerson, 5th
>>>Circuit Court of Appeals, and expect responses in November or so. <g>
>>
>>
>> Those are at hand..waiting in the wings. Think of them as claymores
>> for when the gomers human wave the wire...
>>
>> <G>
>>
>> Interesting and thought provoking pictures eh?
>
>Yeah, they are. They look like print ads. Who produced them?
IvanOleg, the young guy who runs the website. Rather good
photographer, pro second amendment.
Russian immigre as I recall.
He of course does other stuff, chop it down to just the www and look
at his other work
Gunner
"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>Would you please trim the "rec." groups from your rants, hypocrite t?
>>
> FFS piss off you window lickers
>
> you reply including uk.d-i-y in your header, I'll reply back with abuse
>
> OK ?
Oh, we don't doubt that, Geoff. From your first little sniveling drips of
snotty sarcasm, it's been obvious that's what you do. You're a little wimpy
at it but you're consistent.
All you had to do was ask nicely. I assure you that no one posted to you
intentionally, as no one wants to converse with a dull and snarling twat
like you. So go back to your gluepot and finish whatever you were
doing-it-yourself -- or do it to yourself, if you wish, and see if it helps
you relax a bit.
--
Ed Huntress
"geoff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Ed Huntress
> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>But the history of the issue over the decades preceding the B of R
>>suggests
>>that the most common argument (although not, possibly, the most forceful
>>one) was an individual right to self-defense. Why the FFs didn't seize on
>>that one, we can only guess. A key point is that there was no debate over
>>the right itself. It was a no-brainer at the time.
>>
> blah blah
>
> excuse me girls, can you please remove uk.d-i-y from your x-posts
>
> thanks in anticipation that you are intelligent enough to do this
>
>
> --
> geoff
Sure, Geoff. We wouldn't want you to know this stuff, anyway. You might be
dangerous if you did. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
"Rich Grise" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> A spelling checker would not make much difference there, both
>> are valid words.
>>
>> Or did you do some kind of typo and you are stuck with a
>> spelling checker which auto-corrects your typos without asking you what
>> you really meant to say?
>
> Well, there are spelling checkers, but can you imagine trying to write
> an "is this the right word here" checker? ;-)
Microsoft Word does have a grammar checker. Not perfect either, but it
helps at times.
Everyone I know always pokes fun at me for my attention to detail and
safety. Stupid accidents will never happen to me.
That is until one night when I had a rush job, doing something I had done a
hundered times. I was too tired to be out in my shop and was too stressed
from a rough day at work. I was doing repetitive cuts on a project and I ran
my left hand over my table saw blade.
As I said I was too tired, I failed to reset the blade height and for the
first time that I can remember, I did not use a push stick.
I cut my middle finger just where it attached to my hand, severed my index
finger and my thumb right at the knuckle.
It was about a thirty minute ride to the emergency room, with my finger in a
bag of ice, and then another fourty five minute ambulance ride to St. Lukes
Hospital in Houston.
The finger and thumb were reattached and are mostly useable. They do serve
as constant reminders to never take any tools for granted.
Oh by the way, I do still jump a little when I hear my table saw start.
willshak wrote:
> on 9/15/2007 5:17 PM Rich Grise said the following:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>
>>> willshak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You had dirt to grow berries in?
>>>>
>>>
>>> i know, you were so poor that you had to use borrowed belly button
>>> lint to grow berries from seeds found in bird droppings, and you liked
>>> it that way.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sheesh! You only get belly button lint if you can afford clothes! ;-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Rich
>>
>>
>
>
> You had a belly button?
Talking about belly buttons, what causes a woman's to protrude when they
get pregnant?
Dave
SteveB wrote:
>>>>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it
>>>>>is generating more interest
>>>>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the
>>>>>First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your own rights
>>>>>rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.
>>>>>
>
> People screeching in this newsgroup on OT subjects have the credibility of
> anyone screeching from atop a step ladder on the corner in a major city.
>
Perhaps so, but so what? As you point out, some posters consider much of what
is said idiotic. It does no need to cry about it, and those who do any way are
well on the road to becoming anal retentive.
Usenet is a forum for people to speak out. If they are speaking out on an
off-topic subject and you want to stay on-topic, just mark the whole thread as
"read" and get on with your life.
In message <[email protected]>, Michael A. Terrell
<[email protected]> writes
>> >
>> > He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.
>> >
>> We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic
>
>
> God, are you dense. You don't DESREVE one, either. You let women
>rule your country
>
Better than the retard that runs yours
OK rednecks, I'm bored with you now
byeee
--
geoff
<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> A kid at the highschool where a friend's wife teaches always wore
> baggy track pants to school - regimental. Thought he was IT.
>
> One day he somehow got his drawstring caught (wrapped around) on the
> wood lathe. Got a few good wraps of the track pants wound up too. They
> got the lathe stopped in time to save "the boys" - but JUST.
> Didn't faze the idiot at all - - -
Maybe we're getting some insight into why kids don't want to take shop
classes any more. Given how they dress and groom, it's downright dangerous.
--
Ed Huntress
>>>>Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it
>>>>is generating more interest
>>>>then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the
>>>>First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your own rights
>>>>rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.
>>>>
>>>>
Count the number of postings in this thread. Divide by the number of
letters in the average post. Multiply by .084757836 and you get the secret
code for "idiot".
People screeching in this newsgroup on OT subjects have the credibility of
anyone screeching from atop a step ladder on the corner in a major city.
Everything in its time and place. Usenet has provided a place for bloggers
and kooks to get an imprisoned audience where they can spew their spew
cheaply. They just don't have the common sense to know that they look like
idiots, and are read mostly by other idiots.
Were they credible debaters, statesmen, politicians, informed voters, or
just the common Joe interested in current events, they'd spend half as much
time ACTIVELY following these events and making a change.
And just because it has most posts doesn't mean that it has the most
interest. There is a legion of people here who post endlessly, but nothing
about the actual topic of the newsgroup.
You DO remember the topic of this newsgroup, don't you? No? Sigh
.....................
I bet you go to parties and gatherings and just screech and prattle on
endlessly about whatever you want, and are terminal boors.
Steve
In message <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes
>
>That bring sup another point. My workshop is in a detached garage. I
>usually work by myself, but I always take either the portable phone or my
>cell phone.
So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
phone for help?
May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
i.e. if you don't reset it at a predetermined time it will alarm. The
timing could depend on the severity of the expected injuries.
>
>
--
Bill
"David G. Nagel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>>Why is it that some believe that the US Constitution guarantees weapons
>>>ownership?
>>>Most of these people have never read the law, and those that have read
>>>it, completely ignore the first clause of the sentence.
>>>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>>state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>>infringed".
>>>How many gun owners belong to a "well regulated militia"?
>>
>>
>> It's not a clause (except to a lawyer), because it contains no predicate.
>> It's a phrase, and the sentence is a type called "nominative absolute."
>> Nominative absolute sentences tell you nothing about the dependency of
>> the clause ("the right of the people..." etc.) upon the phrase. It may be
>> a dependency, or it may be incidental. Often it's a sufficient but not
>> necessary condition.
>>
>> Nobody ever gets this right, so don't feel badly about it. And it
>> wouldn't be the first time the FFs wrote something that was intentionally
>> ambiguous. The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to get the
>> anti-federalists to calm down and ratify the Constitution. Nothing more,
>> nothing less.
>>
>> Gunner does identify the source of the idea of our 2nd Amendment as a
>> "right," however, which is English common law.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Ed;
>
> The Founding Fathers may have been unnecessarily ambigous in the phrasing
> of the Second Amendment but the Resolution of Congress that became the 2ND
> Amendment upon ratification by the states was NUMBER ONE on the list of
> Resolutions passed by Congress and sent to the states.
I'm not sure what that means. Was it the shortest one? It seems like it must
have been the shortest.
--
Ed Huntress
J. Clarke wrote:
> Jerome Meekings wrote:
>> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm
>>> by
>>> which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
>>> murder.
>> The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
>> 1) the nutters can get them more easily.
>> 2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
>> 3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
>> mistake much too often.
>> 4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,
>
> Have any statistics to support any of those contentions?
>
>> And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is
>> that with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the
>> person you injure/kill.
>
> Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
> because?
>
>> But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
>> easily
>> identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
>> their
>> use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could
>> prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
>> responsible person.
>> Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where
>> the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
>> However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
>> crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.
>
> Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all this
> "easy identification" that does not create another huge government
> beaurocracy.
>
Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?
In message <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes
>
>"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
>> phone for help?
>
>Not a perfect sytem, but bett than nothing.
>
>
>>
>> May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,
>
>Why would an employee of a finance or mortgage company need that?
Bl**dy spell checkers, I really should look at what I type.
Lone
--
Bill