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Warbler

04/10/2009 8:59 PM

A Law Against Armoires

Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
daughter's new apartment. The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
nicked up door jam. Forget healthcare reform. Congress should pass a
law against this form of cabinetry.


This topic has 20 replies

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 7:11 PM

RE: Subject

Having moved a 60,000 lb boat over land from one boat yard to another,
you very quickly learn to appreciate the skills of the moving
professionals.

BTW, they also picked up and moved my 12x20x8 tool shed.

I often referred to my shed as being designed and built to be "freeway
proof" as it moved down the highway at 55MPH.

Lew





LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 9:39 PM

"basilisk" wrote:

> Furthur up thread- I have a cadre of young guys in
> the neighborhood that will work like there is no
> tomorrow for 8 bucks an hour and I appreciate them more
> every day.

Around here, it's the parking nlot of Home Depot or U-haul where you
find the day labor folks in the morning.

You do need at least one person who understands English unless you
speak Spanish or it will be an interesting day.

Lew


LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

04/10/2009 9:28 PM

On Oct 4, 8:59=A0pm, Warbler <[email protected]> wrote:
> Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
> daughter's new apartment. =A0The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
> stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
> nicked up door jam. =A0Forget healthcare reform. =A0Congress should pass =
a
> law against this form of cabinetry.

The law should be that one should be able to dismantle it into a
series of lightweigh panels with a screwdriver. :-)

Luigi

SS

Stuart

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 9:59 AM

In article
<1f125c66-0ba0-4a5b-9cf9-ef078cfe9713@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 8:59 pm, Warbler <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
> > daughter's new apartment. The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
> > stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
> > nicked up door jam. Forget healthcare reform. Congress should pass a
> > law against this form of cabinetry.

> The law should be that one should be able to dismantle it into a
> series of lightweigh panels with a screwdriver. :-)

Tell me about it.

One of my daughters, Lucy, is just about to move from her flat (apartment)
into a house. She has this massive green monstrosity which was a nightmare
when we moved it from her mother-in-law's house [1] (it was a gift) to her
flat but at least it was on the ground floor of the house and she has a
ground floor flat.

I told her repeatedly to get "the professionals" in and we would pay but
no, we have to move her on Sunday and she is moving into a typical newish
UK "starter" home. How the heck we will get this thing up the stairs to
the bedroom, without causing damage to it, the house, or both, never mind
ourselves, I have no idea because the stairs are narrow and the landing
very "tight".

Stuart

[1] Mother-in-law lives in a rather large double-fronted victorian
edifice, with at least 12ft ceilings, in which it did not look out of
place. Speaking personally I would dismantle the thing with an axe! but my
daughter actualy likes it.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 5:22 PM

Leon wrote:
> "Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>> Pianos are best moved by professionals. The last pro that moved mine
>> also demonstrated what may be a good rule for movers - be as large
>> as the largest object you will move - this was the widest guy I've
>> ever seen. Not fat, not especially tall, but VERY wide. He had a kid
>> along to move boards under the wheels at times, but he did all the
>> heavy lifting. Kerry
>>
>
> Well at least some one that knows what he is soing. My BIL has a
> baby grand piano and his mover used finess. He and his teenage
> daughter effotsly move the piano from room to room as my BIL changes
> his mind on where the piano should be every 5-6 months.
> Leverage is their weapon.

And the right tools (in this case, a piano dolly).

RH

Robert Haar

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 6:05 AM

On 10/4/09 11:59 PM, "Warbler" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
> daughter's new apartment. The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
> stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
> nicked up door jam. Forget healthcare reform. Congress should pass a
> law against this form of cabinetry.

Should the law also cover pianos? Or refrigerators? How about cabinet style
table saws? There can be many items in a house that are two heavy to move
without help and/or proper equipment.

KM

"Kerry Montgomery"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 10:29 AM


"Robert Haar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C6EF3D47.47807F%[email protected]...
> On 10/4/09 11:59 PM, "Warbler" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
>> daughter's new apartment. The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
>> stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
>> nicked up door jam. Forget healthcare reform. Congress should pass a
>> law against this form of cabinetry.
>
> Should the law also cover pianos? Or refrigerators? How about cabinet
> style
> table saws? There can be many items in a house that are two heavy to move
> without help and/or proper equipment.
>
Pianos are best moved by professionals. The last pro that moved mine also
demonstrated what may be a good rule for movers - be as large as the largest
object you will move - this was the widest guy I've ever seen. Not fat, not
especially tall, but VERY wide. He had a kid along to move boards under the
wheels at times, but he did all the heavy lifting.
Kerry

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 7:34 AM


"Warbler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5b797212-66e6-4dad-83f3-0f5f3d6028bb@d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Today I had to help move an armoire from a friend's house to his
> daughter's new apartment. The thing must have weighed 400 pounds,
> stood 8 feet tall and could barely fit sideways through the totally
> nicked up door jam. Forget healthcare reform. Congress should pass a
> law against this form of cabinetry.


Rooky!

A woman's Armoire, right? You are suppose to empty it first. If a woman's
armoire is proportional in weight to a typical woman's purse it probably
weighed more than 400#'s.

pd

professorpaul

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 4:26 PM

Long ago and far away I got conned into helping a friend move a piano
down into a basement rec room. Outside stairs, etc. Had about 6-8 of
us. No problem? We dropped it.... made a horrible noise. His wife was
not happy.....

JM

Jim Mattheiss

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 4:23 PM

Like someone already mentioned, their is no substitute for human heft
when moving furniture.

My wife runs a business that employs what I call "the 1,000 pounds of
beef".
That's 4 guys - 3 @ 280# and 1 @ 160#. They helped us move into our
house for $$$, beer and pizza.

2 of them moved a computer armoire OUT the front door, down the front
lawn, into the garage, thru the basement and up the stairs into the
family room.
The cabinet traveled 200 feet to end up 20 feet due south of it's
original position.

I'm 44 and work now work in an office. I'm not up to muscling things
around any more. It's a tough step to realize your no longer a tough
youngster.

Cheers

Jim



JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 7:59 PM

professorpaul wrote:
> Long ago and far away I got conned into helping a friend move a piano
> down into a basement rec room. Outside stairs, etc. Had about 6-8 of
> us. No problem? We dropped it.... made a horrible noise. His wife was
> not happy.....

I remember four of us moving a line printer out of a third-floor office. It
got away from us and made its own way down, through the wall of the
second-floor landing and down into the parking lot. It wasn't good for much
after that. Neither was the bookkeeper's car.

BB

"Bill"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 8:33 PM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> professorpaul wrote:
>> Long ago and far away I got conned into helping a friend move a piano
>> down into a basement rec room. Outside stairs, etc. Had about 6-8 of
>> us. No problem? We dropped it.... made a horrible noise. His wife was
>> not happy.....
>
> I remember four of us moving a line printer out of a third-floor office.
> It
> got away from us and made its own way down, through the wall of the
> second-floor landing and down into the parking lot. It wasn't good for
> much
> after that. Neither was the bookkeeper's car.
>

At least you have what has to be at least a somewhat amusing memory... ; )
(unless you were the bookkeeper).

FS

Frank Stutzman

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

06/10/2009 12:41 AM

Jim Mattheiss <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm 44 and work now work in an office. I'm not up to muscling things
> around any more. It's a tough step to realize your no longer a tough
> youngster.

I'm in the same situation.

I've come to the conclusing that finding some young, dumb and healthy guys
and paying them hansomly is way cheaper than paying my medical deductible.
And it only took me one shoulder surgery to figure this out.


--
Frank Stutzman

bb

basilisk

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 11:03 PM

Swingman wrote:

> Frank Stutzman wrote:
>
>
>> I've come to the conclusing that finding some young, dumb and
>> healthy guys and paying them hansomly is way cheaper than paying my
>> medical deductible. And it only took me one shoulder surgery to
>> figure this out.
>
> Aw shit ... tell me more about this "shoulder surgery" thing. I'm
> suffering, and damn near crippled as we speak.
>
Ain't it the truth, I struggle nightly to
find the perfect position to keep the arm
in that doesn't hurt the shoulder joint.

Furthur up thread- I have a cadre of young guys in
the neighborhood that will work like there is no
tomorrow for 8 bucks an hour and I appreciate them more
every day.

basilisk


--
basilisk.. a creature hatched from an egg laid by a rooster
and incubated in a dung heap.
http://www.welshpembrokecorgis.com

bb

basilisk

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 11:59 PM

Lew Hodgett wrote:

> "basilisk" wrote:
>
>> Furthur up thread- I have a cadre of young guys in
>> the neighborhood that will work like there is no
>> tomorrow for 8 bucks an hour and I appreciate them more
>> every day.
>
> Around here, it's the parking nlot of Home Depot or U-haul where you
> find the day labor folks in the morning.
>
> You do need at least one person who understands English unless you
> speak Spanish or it will be an interesting day.
>
> Lew
Around here it is mostly just American kids
looking for an extra dollar, there is one kid here that
will show up anytime you call and work for fifteen minutes
or fifteen hours, whatever is needed, it is nice to
have the help, and almost enough to restore my hope for
the future. It is these young men's world now.
--
http://www.welshpembrokecorgis.com

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

07/10/2009 12:32 AM

In a way, it was the law that created armoirs. IIRC, they were
invented because in some countries, houses were taxed by the number
of rooms they had, and closets counted as rooms. Thus, a very
strong incentive not to build houses with closets.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

u

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

06/10/2009 4:46 AM

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:33:09 -0400, "Bill" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> got away from us and made its own way down, through the wall of the
>> second-floor landing and down into the parking lot. It wasn't good for

>At least you have what has to be at least a somewhat amusing memory... ; )
>(unless you were the bookkeeper).

That depends on if anyone lost their job, got demoted, or was
penalized in some other way for that escapade.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 12:58 PM


"Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>
> Pianos are best moved by professionals. The last pro that moved mine also
> demonstrated what may be a good rule for movers - be as large as the
> largest object you will move - this was the widest guy I've ever seen. Not
> fat, not especially tall, but VERY wide. He had a kid along to move boards
> under the wheels at times, but he did all the heavy lifting.
> Kerry
>

Well at least some one that knows what he is soing. My BIL has a baby grand
piano and his mover used finess. He and his teenage daughter effotsly move
the piano from room to room as my BIL changes his mind on where the piano
should be every 5-6 months.
Leverage is their weapon.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 7:46 PM

Frank Stutzman wrote:


> I've come to the conclusing that finding some young, dumb and healthy guys
> and paying them hansomly is way cheaper than paying my medical deductible.
> And it only took me one shoulder surgery to figure this out.

Aw shit ... tell me more about this "shoulder surgery" thing. I'm
suffering, and damn near crippled as we speak.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to Warbler on 04/10/2009 8:59 PM

05/10/2009 7:02 PM


"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "Kerry Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>
>>> Pianos are best moved by professionals. The last pro that moved mine
>>> also demonstrated what may be a good rule for movers - be as large
>>> as the largest object you will move - this was the widest guy I've
>>> ever seen. Not fat, not especially tall, but VERY wide. He had a kid
>>> along to move boards under the wheels at times, but he did all the
>>> heavy lifting. Kerry
>>>
>>
>> Well at least some one that knows what he is soing. My BIL has a
>> baby grand piano and his mover used finess. He and his teenage
>> daughter effotsly move the piano from room to room as my BIL changes
>> his mind on where the piano should be every 5-6 months.
>> Leverage is their weapon.
>
> And the right tools (in this case, a piano dolly).


Yeah but you also have to get the piano vertical and on the dolly.


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