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21/11/2008 6:04 PM

Saw Stop demo with a real hand

Just saw a new show "Time Warp" (I think on Discovery or Science
network).

The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
sorts
of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
of
the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
demonstrating the saw.

At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
course,
it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
in water (I think
it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?

The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.

MJM


This topic has 22 replies

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Puckdropper

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 11:03 PM

"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Also, if the wood was unnoticeably damp in places it would trip the
> mechanism and then there would be the expense of replacing the device.
> Anyone who is that careless in the shop in the first place better give
> up woodworking.
>

Wouldn't it be just as safe to have the blade disappear into the saw and
not stop it cold? At the speed a saw blade spins, all but the most dull
blades are going to cut through something and not pull something in.

Puckdropper
--
If you're quiet, your teeth never touch your ankles.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 8:29 PM


"Robatoy" wrote

I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
trust in his product.
************************

Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from the
front of the tablesaw.


Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 3:00 AM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
> trust in his product.

That could never happen. If he could reach the blade with his dick, he would
have been a porn star instead and the Saw Stop would never have been
invented.

So you see, there actually is a place in this world for guys with short
dicks.







:)

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 7:27 PM

On Nov 23, 9:11=A0pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> CW wrote:
>
> > "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> >> I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
> >> trust in his product.
> >> ************************
>
> >> Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from th=
e
> >> front of the tablesaw.
>
> > You mean you can't reach?
>
> [I'm gonna regret this, but...]
>
> =A0 Some peoples' table saw infeed tables are longer than others'
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

We know, we know. Infeed tables should not be any shorter than Obama's
dick.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
That way we can REALLY rip some frickin' LUMBAH!!!

SS

Stuart

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 9:45 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> So you see, there actually is a place in this world for guys with short
> dicks.

I recall a comment once made by some porn star or other "I don't know why
nature gave me a dick this long - I only ever get to use half of it"

--
Stuart Winsor

Don't miss the Risc OS Christmas show
http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/mug/show08/MUGshow.html

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 5:46 AM

On Nov 23, 8:44=A0pm, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> > I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
> > trust in his product.
> > ************************
>
> > Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from the
> > front of the tablesaw.
>
> You mean you can't reach?

Not after I dipped it in ice-water.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 5:25 PM

On Nov 21, 9:04=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Just saw a new show "Time Warp" (I think on Discovery or Science
> network).
>
> The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
> sorts
> of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
> of
> the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
> demonstrating the saw.
>
> At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
> he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
> course,
> it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
> in water (I think
> it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>
> The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.
>
> MJM

I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
trust in his product.

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 9:45 PM


"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>
> Wouldn't it be just as safe to have the blade disappear into the saw and
> not stop it cold? At the speed a saw blade spins, all but the most dull
> blades are going to cut through something and not pull something in.
>
> Puckdropper

Probably would depend on the feed rate as well as a shirt sleeve becoming
entangled in the spinning blade. I imaging the Saw Stop designers have
thought about that and would not go the extra step in both engineering and
cost if they did not have a reason.

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 8:19 AM

CW wrote:

> Never having seen a Sawstop, I don't know exactly how it functions but it is
> electrical. Soaking his hand in water was to increase conductivity. So, if
> you are going to try to hurt yourself with a Sawstop, make sure you wet your
> hands first.

Nope...it works perfectly fine with dry skin. If you know of a place
with a sawstop, you can try it out. With the motor off but the
electrical system in "test" mode, you can touch the blade with items and
see if it would trigger the safetey feature.

I'm inclined to think the ice was for numbing (so he didn't flinch?) ,
to drive the blood away from the surface, or possibly both.

Chris

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 8:21 AM

Puckdropper wrote:

> Wouldn't it be just as safe to have the blade disappear into the saw and
> not stop it cold? At the speed a saw blade spins, all but the most dull
> blades are going to cut through something and not pull something in.

The energy transferred from the spinning blade as it slams into the
brake is actually what causes it to drop so fast. Conservation of
angular momentum and all that...

Chris

EH

Elrond Hubbard

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

24/11/2008 2:02 PM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:5e3f4d69-6baf-4424-8a7d-b4855126ea67@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> > I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show
>> > some trust in his product.
>> > ************************
>>
>> > Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from
>> > the front of the tablesaw.
>>
>> You mean you can't reach?
>
> Not after I dipped it in ice-water.

Yeah, mine shrinks down to the size of a stack of dimes... about thirty
cents worth.


Hn

Han

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

25/11/2008 1:20 AM

Elrond Hubbard <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns9B605C0B5F317oldshoe@
216.151.153.22:

> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:5e3f4d69-6baf-4424-8a7d-b4855126ea67@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
>>>
>>> > I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show
>>> > some trust in his product.
>>> > ************************
>>>
>>> > Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from
>>> > the front of the tablesaw.
>>>
>>> You mean you can't reach?
>>
>> Not after I dipped it in ice-water.
>
> Yeah, mine shrinks down to the size of a stack of dimes... about thirty
> cents worth.
>
That gets a 15 yard penalty for over-sharing.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

DD

"Dave"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 2:55 PM


"J. Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <6c90aadd-5fa2-40ae-8b53-1394f9a36c53@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Just saw a new show "Time Warp" (I think on Discovery or Science
>>network).
>>
>>The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
>>sorts
>>of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
>>of
>>the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
>>demonstrating the saw.
>>
>>At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
>>he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
>>course,
>>it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
>>in water (I think
>>it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>>
>>The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.
>
> Yes, he touched the blade with his finger, but I wouldn't consider it to
> be a real test. If you noticed, he slowly approached the blade with his
> finger, so even if it didn't work, all he would have gotten was a small
> nick. A real test would have been having him cut a piece of wood at normal
> speed with his finger in the way. But also doing so would have been a
> higher risk.

Also, if the wood was unnoticeably damp in places it would trip the
mechanism and then there would be the expense of replacing the device.
Anyone who is that careless in the shop in the first place better give up
woodworking.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

22/11/2008 10:58 AM

On Nov 22, 7:52=A0am, "joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't see it. If it was ice water, I'm guessing that the purpose was t=
o
> force blood away from the surface of the hand so even the small nick that
> the SS leaves wouldn't bleed much. =A0I mean, you're gonna bleed even if =
it
> works, albeit just a little, but why would you want to show blood if you'=
re
> demonstrating how well the thing works?
>
> my $1/50, your opinion may vary, etc etc.....
>
> jc
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:6c90aadd-5fa2-40ae-8b53-1394f9a36c53@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Just saw a new show "TimeWarp" (I think on Discovery or Science
> > network).
>
> > The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
> > sorts
> > of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
> > of
> > the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
> > demonstrating the saw.
>
> > At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
> > he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
> > course,
> > it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
> > in water (I think
> > it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>
> > The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.
>
> > MJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I just saw (no pun intened) the Time Warp episode.

2 comments:

1 - Blood

The inventor did the hot dog demo first and it didn't even appear to
nick the skin, so I don't know if there would have been blood had it
been his finger.

2 - When the inventor did use his finger, he approached the blade from
the side with the pad of his middle finger - not the way you or I
would normally contact the blade in actual use. I'm not about to run
downstairs and see if I can touch the sides of the teeth on my saw,
but I think the SawStop is much less likely to nick the pad coming in
from the side than it would if the side of your thumb was coming
straight into the teeth.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

26/11/2008 12:51 PM

On 24 Nov, 20:20, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Elrond Hubbard <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns9B605C0B5F317oldshoe@
> 216.151.153.22:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:5e3f4d69-6baf-4424-8a7d-b4855126ea67@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> > I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show
> >>> > some trust in his product.
> >>> > ************************
>
> >>> > Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from
> >>> > the front of the tablesaw.
>
> >>> You mean you can't reach?
>
> >> Not after I dipped it in ice-water.
>
> > Yeah, mine shrinks down to the size of a stack of dimes... about thirty
> > cents worth.
>
> That gets a 15 yard penalty for over-sharing.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Shouldn't these penalties be measured in inches?

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 6:05 PM

On Nov 23, 8:29=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
> trust in his product.
> ************************
>
> Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from the
> front of the tablesaw.

ROTF

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 7:11 PM

CW wrote:

>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Robatoy" wrote
>>
>> I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
>> trust in his product.
>> ************************
>>
>> Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from the
>> front of the tablesaw.
>
> You mean you can't reach?

[I'm gonna regret this, but...]

Some peoples' table saw infeed tables are longer than others'


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 5:44 PM


"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> I will be impressed ONLY if he uses his dick. Now THAT would show some
> trust in his product.
> ************************
>
> Not THAT would be impressive. Considering how far the blade is from the
> front of the tablesaw.

You mean you can't reach?



jJ

[email protected] (J. Cochran)

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 2:40 PM

In article <6c90aadd-5fa2-40ae-8b53-1394f9a36c53@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just saw a new show "Time Warp" (I think on Discovery or Science
>network).
>
>The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
>sorts
>of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
>of
>the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
>demonstrating the saw.
>
>At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
>he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
>course,
>it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
>in water (I think
>it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>
>The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.

Yes, he touched the blade with his finger, but I wouldn't consider it to
be a real test. If you noticed, he slowly approached the blade with his
finger, so even if it didn't work, all he would have gotten was a small
nick. A real test would have been having him cut a piece of wood at normal
speed with his finger in the way. But also doing so would have been a
higher risk.

jn

"joe"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

22/11/2008 12:52 PM

I didn't see it. If it was ice water, I'm guessing that the purpose was to
force blood away from the surface of the hand so even the small nick that
the SS leaves wouldn't bleed much. I mean, you're gonna bleed even if it
works, albeit just a little, but why would you want to show blood if you're
demonstrating how well the thing works?

my $1/50, your opinion may vary, etc etc.....

jc

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6c90aadd-5fa2-40ae-8b53-1394f9a36c53@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Just saw a new show "Time Warp" (I think on Discovery or Science
> network).
>
> The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
> sorts
> of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
> of
> the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
> demonstrating the saw.
>
> At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
> he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
> course,
> it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
> in water (I think
> it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>
> The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.
>
> MJM

Nn

Nova

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

23/11/2008 10:54 PM

Dave wrote:
>

>
>
> Also, if the wood was unnoticeably damp in places it would trip the
> mechanism and then there would be the expense of replacing the device.
> Anyone who is that careless in the shop in the first place better give
> up woodworking.

According to the Sawstop web site:

"5. Will cutting green or “wet” wood activate the SawStop safety system?

SawStop saws cut most wet wood without a problem. However, if the wood
is very green or wet (for example, wet enough to spray a mist when
cutting), or if the wood is both wet and pressure treated, then the wood
may be sufficiently conductive to trigger the brake. Accordingly, the
best practice is to dry wet or green wood before cutting by standing it
inside and apart from other wood for about one day. You can also cut wet
pressure treated wood and other conductive material by placing the saw
in bypass mode."

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-faqs.htm

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 21/11/2008 6:04 PM

22/11/2008 1:04 PM


"DerbyDad03" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b65474f0-8d94-4f63-8213-5bf8db475a2a@u14g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 22, 7:52 am, "joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I didn't see it. If it was ice water, I'm guessing that the purpose was to
> force blood away from the surface of the hand so even the small nick that
> the SS leaves wouldn't bleed much. I mean, you're gonna bleed even if it
> works, albeit just a little, but why would you want to show blood if
you're
> demonstrating how well the thing works?
>
> my $1/50, your opinion may vary, etc etc.....
>
> jc
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:6c90aadd-5fa2-40ae-8b53-1394f9a36c53@a37g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Just saw a new show "TimeWarp" (I think on Discovery or Science
> > network).
>
> > The hosts go around with an amazing high speed camera capturing all
> > sorts
> > of events. Explosions, fire eating, skateboarding,etc. have been some
> > of
> > the things I saw. But the latest show had the inventor of Saw Stop
> > demonstrating the saw.
>
> > At first, he used the famous hotdog trick. The hosts then said that
> > he had to do a real hand and he agreed. He used his finger and of
> > course,
> > it worked. Interesting before he touched the blade, he soaked his hand
> > in water (I think
> > it was ice water). I guess to make sure his hand was wet and cold?
>
> > The show repeats alot, so catch it if you can.
>
> > MJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I just saw (no pun intened) the Time Warp episode.

2 comments:

1 - Blood

The inventor did the hot dog demo first and it didn't even appear to
nick the skin, so I don't know if there would have been blood had it
been his finger.

2 - When the inventor did use his finger, he approached the blade from
the side with the pad of his middle finger - not the way you or I
would normally contact the blade in actual use. I'm not about to run
downstairs and see if I can touch the sides of the teeth on my saw,
but I think the SawStop is much less likely to nick the pad coming in
from the side than it would if the side of your thumb was coming
straight into the teeth.

Never having seen a Sawstop, I don't know exactly how it functions but it is
electrical. Soaking his hand in water was to increase conductivity. So, if
you are going to try to hurt yourself with a Sawstop, make sure you wet your
hands first.



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