I have a month long sabbatical and I'm thinking about taking a woodworking
class. I'm probably an interrmediate / advanced woodworker and have built
most of the case goods in our house. They aren't Fine Woodworking stuff for
the most part but are functional. I'd like to improve hand skills - e.g.
dovetails etc. Any recommendations are appreciated - for and against. I
keep coming back to Marc Adams for some unknown reason.
Thanks for the tips.
On Oct 10, 2:54=A0pm, "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <or you can hire with sqwertz and be a master in a week>
> <inside joke for Robert>
Heh heh...... I just saw this. NO KIDDING!!!
That poor group has taken such a beating I am sick of it. I am now
baiting that jerkwad as much as possible because he has single
handedly run off just about anyone that was a contributor to the
group.
At this point, that group is finally dead, and I am just having a
little fun with him. Fish in a barrel aren't easier to catch than
him.
Robert
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am surprised no one came up with any ideas. Truthfully, I pondered
> this one a bit as well.
>
> I think you need to refine your ideas of what you are trying to
> achieve, and how much you are willing to "put out" to get to that
> end.
>
> Some points to consider:
> - how far are you willing to travel
> - how much $$ are you willing to spend
> - how much time can you/will you devote to classes
> - will your current set of tools suffice for the entry level tools
> required
>
> In our fair state of Texas, the second largest, I know of only two
> full time schools devoted to woodworking. One is close, the other
> is
> a few hours away and would require overnight stays in a hotel for a
> week once I was there.
>
> So...
>
> maybe some alternatives.
>
> (Sorry group guys, I am a sucker for an honest question from someone
> that wants to learn....)
>
> Some community colleges still have woodworking classes. I have
> heard
> that there are night classes available at some of these colleges at
> very reasonable costs.
----------------------------------------
Google "woodworking + community college" and you will get a couple of
search engines devoted to the subject.
Cerritos College, located in Cerritos, CA (Metro Los Angeles), (Less
than 10 miles from me), has a tremendous hand tool class with the
following caveats:
1) It is offered only on a quarterly basis (13 weeks).
2) Tution and fees for the course will be less than $150.00
3) Expect to spend about $500.00 for class materials (Stones, chisels,
etc).
Unless you live in the area, living expenses for a 13 wk period will
be significant.
Lew
"me" wrote:
> Hmm - I thought someone in the wider community might have personal
> experience. I have done the web searchs. Slick website does not a
> good
> school make. I believed that I had a legitimate question that I had
> hoped
> would not get slammed with flames and typo corrections.
--------------------------------
Kind of tough to give a specific answer without a specific set of
requirements.
If you have the time and money, Cerritos College has the program.
Lew
UPDATE:
Previously wrote:
> "me" wrote:
>
>> Hmm - I thought someone in the wider community might have personal
>> experience. I have done the web searchs. Slick website does not a
>> good
>> school make. I believed that I had a legitimate question that I had
>> hoped
>> would not get slammed with flames and typo corrections.
> --------------------------------
> Kind of tough to give a specific answer without a specific set of
> requirements.
>
> If you have the time and money, Cerritos College has the program.
>
> Lew
---------------------------------------
Forgot to add before Cerritos will allow you to take the hand tool
course,
you have to take the intro course (WMT101), 2 hours instruction, 3
hours of lab/week.
Add about $140 for tution and fees, $50 for wood and another 13 weeks
of living expenses.
Lew
Steve Turner <[email protected]>
>On 10/13/2010 9:49 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Take the hook out of your mouth. If this is the same guy as other times, he
>> is one of the trolls he is referring to...LOL
>
><RME> Pot, meet kettle. Everyone's a troll in your eyes, aren't they? Why
>don't you p put down the hammer and quit treating everything like a nail?
Why don't you get it straight Josepi Bengi Gym Bob is
not all interested in what you have to do in bashing
cellulose into something? He is here to bash you.
He will never change that. Fools give him any airtime.
He has his agenda and he will work it amongst the fools.
Never has he completed a single week without making an
egregious post somewhere.
Send valid complaint to [email protected] for action.
He is being watched.
HTH
Routing, drilling and woodworking, in wood, aluminum and plastic:
http://patwarner.com/drilling_lessons.html & http://patwarner.com/consultin=
g.html
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On Oct 6, 5:14=A0pm, me <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a month long sabbatical and I'm thinking about taking a woodworkin=
g
> class. I'm probably an interrmediate / advanced woodworker and have built
> most of the case goods in our house. They aren't Fine Woodworking stuff f=
or
> the most part but are functional. I'd like to improve hand skills - e.g.
> dovetails etc. Any recommendations are appreciated - for and against. I
> keep coming back to Marc Adams for some unknown reason.
> Thanks for the tips.
On Oct 6, 8:14=A0pm, me <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a month long sabbatical and I'm thinking about taking a woodworkin=
g
> class. I'm probably an interrmediate / advanced woodworker and have built
> most of the case goods in our house. They aren't Fine Woodworking stuff f=
or
> the most part but are functional. I'd like to improve hand skills - e.g.
> dovetails etc. Any recommendations are appreciated - for and against. I
> keep coming back to Marc Adams for some unknown reason.
> Thanks for the tips.
Have you looked into North Bennett Street?
R
Hmm - I thought someone in the wider community might have personal
experience. I have done the web searchs. Slick website does not a good
school make. I believed that I had a legitimate question that I had hoped
would not get slammed with flames and typo corrections.
I used to like this group because it was sane without flaming, but sadly it
is now just like all the other newsgroups.
I will post no more.
In news:27e34dfc-d778-4e1b-8a1f-417ec4e39dbe@i21g2000yqg.googlegroups.com,
[email protected] <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> On Oct 10, 2:54 pm, "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> <or you can hire with sqwertz and be a master in a week>
>> <inside joke for Robert>
>
> Heh heh...... I just saw this. NO KIDDING!!!
>
> That poor group has taken such a beating I am sick of it. I am now
> baiting that jerkwad as much as possible because he has single
> handedly run off just about anyone that was a contributor to the
> group.
>
> At this point, that group is finally dead, and I am just having a
> little fun with him. Fish in a barrel aren't easier to catch than
> him.
>
> Robert
he is an asshole and is the only one that cause problems there.
the way he talks to Om, deserves an serious asswhoopin' by itself. Ya just
don't talk to women that way.
I've been around and around with sqwertz on several occasions and it's too
bad more regs don't call him on his shit.
It woud improve the group tremendously
I am surprised no one came up with any ideas. Truthfully, I pondered
this one a bit as well.
I think you need to refine your ideas of what you are trying to
achieve, and how much you are willing to "put out" to get to that end.
Some points to consider:
- how far are you willing to travel
- how much $$ are you willing to spend
- how much time can you/will you devote to classes
- will your current set of tools suffice for the entry level tools
required
In our fair state of Texas, the second largest, I know of only two
full time schools devoted to woodworking. One is close, the other is
a few hours away and would require overnight stays in a hotel for a
week once I was there.
So...
maybe some alternatives.
(Sorry group guys, I am a sucker for an honest question from someone
that wants to learn....)
Some community colleges still have woodworking classes. I have heard
that there are night classes available at some of these colleges at
very reasonable costs.
Our local Woodcraft has different woodworking classes throughout the
month. Although the quality of the instructors vary quite a bit, you
just might get a good one. One of my old amigos teaches those weekend
classes, and he is quite the talent and a good teacher as well.
Woodcraft may also know of private individuals that teach, or would be
willing to teach.
Join a woodworking club. While for no apparent reason our local club
is a bit snobbish, others I have been to have been great. Like any
other club, participate, contribute what you can, and in all
likelihood you will find someone willing to share their skills. For
years our woodturning club had seminars and we took turns teaching the
most basic to advance skills.
If you find others that are interested and enthusiastic to learn and
play with, woodworking skills can be acquired rapidly. Toiling away
in your shop all alone when you first start out can lead to lot of
frustration and cut your interest very short in woodworking. As you
build your skills, the problems get easier to solve. You will do more
on your own, and my prefer it that way.
Figuring out how to do things is by yourself is great. More people
should try that. On the other hand, there is a line on that. Why
spend hours/days trying to figure out a problem that a fellow
woodworker might be able to cure in just a quick explanation? Why
have wasted hours of frustration spent doing problem solving when you
could be woodworking? Worse, you could "teach yourself" how to do
things incorrectly using poor methodology.
Don't quit working on your own, but look around and see if there
aren't avenues for you to pursue in your backyard.
Just my 0.02.
Robert
On Oct 10, 3:57=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> And what are the two schools in our fair state of Texas????
These guys usually have a couple of their students display their
efforts at the Hill Country furniture show in Fredricksburg.
http://www.homesteadheritage-woodworking.com/woodworking.html
Some of the work is not to my taste, but other pieces are almost
breathtaking. All of them show tremendous craftsmanship with a strong
association to the old ways of design and construction.
I have talked to a couple of different individuals that went to
community college night courses in Austin. I don't know if this is
the same college, but there is a couple of references to wood working
classes down the middle of this page before you get to the ads.
http://education-portal.com/woodworking_classes_texas.html
Robert
On Oct 12, 12:35=A0pm, "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> he is an asshole and is the only one that cause problems there.
> the way he talks to Om, deserves an serious asswhoopin' by itself. Ya jus=
t
> don't talk to women that way.
> I've been around and around with sqwertz on several occasions and it's to=
o
> bad more regs don't call him on his shit.
> It woud improve the group tremendously
I couldn't agree more. He is profane, stupid as a 50 year old wood
stump, inarticulate at best, completely homophobic, and as erratic as
any medication dependent misfit can be.
He used to get under my skin, but now that the group is for all
intents and purposes dead I like to think that my baiting him (and you
can tell how upset he gets) is a small reward for scaring everyone
that considered barbecuing a hobby away.
Robert
[email protected] wrote:
> I am surprised no one came up with any ideas. Truthfully, I pondered
> this one a bit as well.
>
> I think you need to refine your ideas of what you are trying to
> achieve, and how much you are willing to "put out" to get to that end.
>
> Some points to consider:
> - how far are you willing to travel
> - how much $$ are you willing to spend
> - how much time can you/will you devote to classes
> - will your current set of tools suffice for the entry level tools
> required
...
Same here...w/o some guidance, it's just a potshot in the dark.
There are any number of individuals offering from weekend to week to
summer to full apprentice program opportunities--how to pick one as a
recommendation to such nebulously posed question isn't feasible or even,
likely, useful.
For starters, where _is_ OP to travel from to even aid in what part of
the country--Pacific NW and rest of left coast is replete as is the
Northeast and the Appy mountain regions particularly in the Berea, KY,
neighborhood and the western Carolina mountain regions/E TN...
--
"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I have a month long sabbatical and I'm thinking about taking a woodworking
> class. I'm probably an interrmediate / advanced woodworker and have built
> most of the case goods in our house. They aren't Fine Woodworking stuff for
> the most part but are functional. I'd like to improve hand skills - e.g.
> dovetails etc. Any recommendations are appreciated - for and against. I
> keep coming back to Marc Adams for some unknown reason.
> Thanks for the tips.
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/eZine/Public/Schools.aspx
Have fun.
Art
On 10/13/2010 9:24 PM, me wrote:
> Hmm - I thought someone in the wider community might have personal
> experience. I have done the web searchs. Slick website does not a good
> school make. I believed that I had a legitimate question that I had hoped
> would not get slammed with flames and typo corrections.
>
> I used to like this group because it was sane without flaming, but sadly it
> is now just like all the other newsgroups.
>
> I will post no more.
What are you talking about? I didn't see anybody slam you with flames or
accuse you of making typos. Actually, all I saw was several replies that were
quite good. And as far as your assertion that this group used to be sane and
without flames, I don't know *where* you're getting that from. I've been in
and out of here for ten years and I've never drawn that conclusion. That
doesn't mean the group has no merit; on the contrary, some of the most valuable
advice you can find anywhere can be found right here, as long as you have thick
enough skin and the patience to separate the wheat from the chaff. You know,
kinda like real life.
--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
On 10/13/2010 9:49 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Take the hook out of your mouth. If this is the same guy as other times, he
> is one of the trolls he is referring to...LOL
<RME> Pot, meet kettle. Everyone's a troll in your eyes, aren't they? Why
don't you put down the hammer and quit treating everything like a nail?
--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>In our fair state of Texas, the second largest, I know of only two
>full time schools devoted to woodworking. One is close, the other is
>a few hours away and would require overnight stays in a hotel for a
>week once I was there.
And what are the two schools in our fair state of Texas????
You don't need to be too ashamed. Most of us get caught from time to time.
We just have to know when to quit and not be part of the game.
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<RME> Pot, meet kettle. Everyone's a troll in your eyes, aren't they? Why
don't you put down the hammer and quit treating everything like a nail?
On 10/13/2010 9:49 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Take the hook out of your mouth. If this is the same guy as other times,
> he
> is one of the trolls he is referring to...LOL
Take the hook out of your mouth. If this is the same guy as other times, he
is one of the trolls he is referring to...LOL
People need a break sometimes.
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] are you talking about? I didn't see
anybody slam you with flames or
accuse you of making typos. Actually, all I saw was several replies that
were
quite good. And as far as your assertion that this group used to be sane
and
without flames, I don't know *where* you're getting that from. I've been in
and out of here for ten years and I've never drawn that conclusion. That
doesn't mean the group has no merit; on the contrary, some of the most
valuable
advice you can find anywhere can be found right here, as long as you have
thick
enough skin and the patience to separate the wheat from the chaff. You
know,
kinda like real life.
--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
In news:c8bc3de3-a413-478a-9953-9125bde4469c@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com,
[email protected] <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> I am surprised no one came up with any ideas. Truthfully, I pondered
> this one a bit as well.
>
> I think you need to refine your ideas of what you are trying to
> achieve, and how much you are willing to "put out" to get to that end.
>
> Some points to consider:
> - how far are you willing to travel
> - how much $$ are you willing to spend
> - how much time can you/will you devote to classes
> - will your current set of tools suffice for the entry level tools
> required
>
> In our fair state of Texas, the second largest, I know of only two
> full time schools devoted to woodworking. One is close, the other is
> a few hours away and would require overnight stays in a hotel for a
> week once I was there.
>
> So...
>
> maybe some alternatives.
>
> (Sorry group guys, I am a sucker for an honest question from someone
> that wants to learn....)
>
> Some community colleges still have woodworking classes. I have heard
> that there are night classes available at some of these colleges at
> very reasonable costs.
>
> Our local Woodcraft has different woodworking classes throughout the
> month. Although the quality of the instructors vary quite a bit, you
> just might get a good one. One of my old amigos teaches those weekend
> classes, and he is quite the talent and a good teacher as well.
>
> Woodcraft may also know of private individuals that teach, or would be
> willing to teach.
>
> Join a woodworking club. While for no apparent reason our local club
> is a bit snobbish, others I have been to have been great. Like any
> other club, participate, contribute what you can, and in all
> likelihood you will find someone willing to share their skills. For
> years our woodturning club had seminars and we took turns teaching the
> most basic to advance skills.
>
> If you find others that are interested and enthusiastic to learn and
> play with, woodworking skills can be acquired rapidly. Toiling away
> in your shop all alone when you first start out can lead to lot of
> frustration and cut your interest very short in woodworking. As you
> build your skills, the problems get easier to solve. You will do more
> on your own, and my prefer it that way.
>
> Figuring out how to do things is by yourself is great. More people
> should try that. On the other hand, there is a line on that. Why
> spend hours/days trying to figure out a problem that a fellow
> woodworker might be able to cure in just a quick explanation? Why
> have wasted hours of frustration spent doing problem solving when you
> could be woodworking? Worse, you could "teach yourself" how to do
> things incorrectly using poor methodology.
>
> Don't quit working on your own, but look around and see if there
> aren't avenues for you to pursue in your backyard.
>
> Just my 0.02.
>
> Robert
or you can find a local *quality* shop and work for free as a helper or
apprentice.
I find that real world experience is usually better and more informative
than school situtations.
<or you can hire with sqwertz and be a master in a week>
<inside joke for Robert>