On Jul 26, 11:12=A0am, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Max (but I don't think Bush was all that bad either) =A0;-)
He made a great puppet for the neocons.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> writes:
>Rod & BJ Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Considering this was largely a propaganda piece with twisted selective
>> "facts" and heavy albeit sly editoralizing.......a honest bio is
>> somewhere beyond a reach. When things pretend to be a history they do
>> all of us a disservice......conclusions based on shit often simply
>> result in more turds.
>
>I agree. For example, the piece mentioned, not for the first time, Dubya's
>seeming ducking of his National Guard obligations. I have yet to see, in the
>dozens of accounts I've read about this failure to participate, how his
>actions deviated from the usual and accepted practice of the time.
This is the "everyone else does it" argument. Doesn't make it right.
scott
On Jul 27, 9:32=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jul 26, 9:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
>
> >[about Carter]
>
> >> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
> >> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
> >> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. =A0Jesu=
s,
> >> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic=
.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>
> >Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
> >a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
> >crazies.
>
> Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
>
Moonlight shining on the back of my hand
Cat fight rattlin' the garbage can
Looks like somethin' chased you up a tree
Same thing, same thing happened to me
Wild wind blowing down the neck of my shirt
Old men sitting on a bench in the dirt
Seems that another ship has gone out to sea
Same thing, same thing happened to me
Shoe shine someone's got to tell ya the news
A fine line separates a boy from the blues
Looks like you could use some company
Same thing, same thing happened to me
Runnin', runnin' just as fast as I can
Someone, someone take a hold of my hand
Looks like somethin' chased you up a tree
Same thing, same thing happened to me
Same thing, same thing happened to me.
(John Prine)
Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> Peaceful? Clinton waged war on more countries than anyone since FDR
>> (Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Haiti, Albania, Serbia, and
>> Bosnia). During the decade of the '90s there was, on average, one
>> terrorist attack on the U.S. or U.S. interests abroad (1st WTC
>> bombing, USS Cole, embassy bombings, kidnapping of U.S. ambassadors,
>> etc.).
>>
>>
> What did the DoD spend during Clinton?
Not enough. There was this "peace dividend" you see, in which massive
amounts of money were transferred from the DoD to various social programs.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>
> Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
> sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
>
> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
I always have to chuckle when someone compares a Chevy Vega to a Ford Pinto.
Max
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rod & BJ Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Considering this was largely a propaganda piece with twisted selective
>> "facts" and heavy albeit sly editoralizing.......a honest bio is
>> somewhere beyond a reach. When things pretend to be a history they do
>> all of us a disservice......conclusions based on shit often simply
>> result in more turds.
>
> I agree. For example, the piece mentioned, not for the first time, Dubya's
> seeming ducking of his National Guard obligations. I have yet to see, in
> the dozens of accounts I've read about this failure to participate, how
> his actions deviated from the usual and accepted practice of the time.
>
> In other words, was "everybody" doing what he did or did he really shirk
> his obligations and was never called out?
>
I just love that excuse. Johnny does it so why can't I.
The first admonition from me when conducting a verbal reprimand was to warn
the employee that such excuses would not be tolerated.
"First of all, you're not "Johnny"'
"Secondly, I am not required to inform you of whatever disciplinary measure
I may or may not have taken with another employee.
"Third, you may not be aware of all the circumstances surrounding the
performance, or lack of, by another employee."
Max (but I don't think Bush was all that bad either) ;-)
On 7/25/2011 8:39 PM, Max wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>>
>> Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
>> sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
>>
>> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
>
>
>
> I always have to chuckle when someone compares a Chevy Vega to a Ford
> Pinto.
>
> Max
I had a Vega once. I thought it was a pretty nice little car, except
for the aluminum block and steel head design, that kept blowing head
gaskets. But the engine design itself was so simple and uncluttered,
you could replace a head gasket in 1/2 hour, start to finish. I finally
replaced the block with one having steel cylinder sleeves.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:17b7d2c4-91a1-4a3b-89a1-08514b5b38f2@cs9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 11:12 am, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Max (but I don't think Bush was all that bad either) ;-)
>He made a great puppet for the neocons.
AKA the "War Cabal"?
Max
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> One: Courts have held that, in spite of written rules, a pattern of
> behavior trumps the written rule. To punish someone for an infraction that
> is universally ignored will not be sustained.
>
> Two: We still don't know the circumstances. It could be Bush simply
> shirked his duty and nobody bothered to sanction him. Or it could be he
> tried to participate but the chain of command simply said "Go away. Quit
> bothering us. We'll call you if we need you."
I'm inclined to believe the latter.
Max
"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote
> On 7/25/2011 8:39 PM, Max wrote:
>> I always have to chuckle when someone compares a Chevy Vega to a Ford
>> Pinto.
>>
>> Max
>
> I had a Vega once.
I'm sorry. ;-)
Max
On 7/29/2011 6:56 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
> The Uniform Commercial Code recognizes that the
> "usual and accepted practices" of an industry have the force of law.
No, it doesn't. What id does say is that the course of dealing, course
of performance, and usage of the trade of the parties to a contract
governed by the UCC can be used to construe the meaning of their contract.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:11:20 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/25/2011 4:16 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
>>>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>>
>> Considering Jimmy inheritied inflation from ford, and Reagon actively
>> prevented resolution of the Tehran hostage crisis, what did Jimmy do
>> that was so bad?
>>
>> scott
>
>Absolutely nothing, he did absolutely nothing. Totally ineffective, a
>political opportunist president.
He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. Jesus,
what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
OTOH, he is a superb woodworker.
--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
willshak wrote:
> Han wrote the following:
>> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>> One: Courts have held that, in spite of written rules, a pattern of
>>> behavior trumps the written rule. To punish someone for an
>>> infraction that is universally ignored will not be sustained.
>>>
>>
>> I've had no speeding tickets (yet). But who has successfully used
>> that line for a speeding ticket? But, Officer, everyone is doing 75
>> here ...
>
> He/she can only catch one at a time.
Oh hell no. I've seen many a line of cars waiting for their tickets while
the arresting officer pulled more over. The radar car catches every
speeder, and the pickup car pulls over every one that is radio'd to him.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jul 27, 9:32=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jul 26, 9:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
>
> >[about Carter]
>
> >> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
> >> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
> >> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. =A0Jesu=
s,
> >> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic=
.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>
> >Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
> >a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
> >crazies.
>
> Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
>
I'll buy that. Happens to me.
On Jul 29, 8:47=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> > Actually, the 8 years of the Clinton administration were, by every
> > objective measure, the best since the DDE administration; and by
> > far better than any since.
>
> > It really tickles my funny bone that the only thing the right can
> > find wrong with those years was an affair with an intern (something
> > that was, is and should never have been anyone elses business - right
> > or wrong). =A0It also had _nothing_ to do with how the country or
> > economy was run. =A0 It was the most peaceful 8 years in the history
> > of the 20th century. =A0 it was the most economically powerful decade
> > since Vietnam, with lowest inflation and the highest gains for the
> > poor, middle class and well-off. =A0The DOW grew more in those 8 years
> > than any other comparable 8 year period. =A0Clinton and the United
> > States were well respected by most of the rest of the free world.
>
> Peaceful? Clinton waged war on more countries than anyone since FDR
> (Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Haiti, Albania, Serbia, and Bosnia).
> During the decade of the '90s there was, on average, one terrorist attack=
on
> the U.S. or U.S. interests abroad (1st WTC bombing, USS Cole, embassy
> bombings, kidnapping of U.S. ambassadors, etc.).
>
>
What did the DoD spend during Clinton?
On Jul 26, 3:47=A0am, "Rod & BJ Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:bdb97559-b368-4f63-b7d2-3d5dc6218e83@l18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 24, 10:22 pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>
> This is probably the most honest bio I've read about George W. =A0- a
> spoiled brat who used and abused his father's position and money to
> get himself into politics and high office. =A0Sounds like something a
> lot of people have done but will never admit it.
>
> Considering this was largely a propaganda piece with twisted selective
> "facts" and heavy albeit sly editoralizing.......a honest bio is somewher=
e
> beyond a reach. When things pretend to be a history they do all of us a
> disservice......conclusions based on shit often simply result in more tur=
ds.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 Rod
Some examples might improve the credibility of your contribution :)
Otherwise, it is, like you suggest the bio is, just propaganda. Broad
strokes will do.
I did notice that it is very heavily biased towards the early years
and then fades as time moves on. I suppose it was this that
interested me as I, not being an American, didn't know much about his
earlier life.
On Jul 26, 9:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
[about Carter]
> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. =A0Jesus,
> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic.co=
m/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
crazies.
That is what is wrong with so many people. They seem to need to be
hardcore left or hardcore right. That's right, keep them at each
other, that way you can fuck them over without them noticing too much.
[metaphor alert]
When you're navigating a fragile ship with a valuable cargo down a
narrow channel with nasty rocks on either side, you quickly discover
that there are options besides Hard-to-Port and Hard-to-Starboard,
either of which result in carnage.
If you have room to manoeuvre, you can afford to play with the rudder
a little, but you don't.
Freepers don't understand the concept of compromise, and neither does
that Soros bunch.... everybody is fighting over the steering wheel
while the ship is heading for the fucking rocks. Smart!
That display last night of Nobama and Boner was nothing but a attempt
to make the other guy look like the reason the ship is going to crash;
never seen such political bullshit. Well, other than the divisional
politics Canada runs on...same shit, different day.
See what you did, Larry? You got me all upset. now I need to go to my
pub and cool off.....dammit...
Just Wondering wrote:
> On 7/29/2011 6:56 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> The Uniform Commercial Code recognizes that the
>> "usual and accepted practices" of an industry have the force of law.
>
> No, it doesn't. What id does say is that the course of dealing,
> course of performance, and usage of the trade of the parties to a
> contract governed by the UCC can be used to construe the meaning of
> their contract.
You are mostly correct: my terminology was wrong.
"Buyer in ordinary course of business" means a person that buys goods in
good faith, without knowledge that the sale violates the rights of another
person in the goods, and in the ordinary course from a person, other than a
pawnbroker, in the business of selling goods of that kind. A person buys
goods in the ordinary course if the sale to the person comports with the
usual or customary practices in the kind of business in which the seller is
engaged or with the seller's own usual or customary practices." [UCC Chapter
46]
I should have said "usual and CUSTOMARY (not "accepted") practices".
I regret the error and thanks for the correction.
"Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bdb97559-b368-4f63-b7d2-3d5dc6218e83@l18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 24, 10:22 pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
This is probably the most honest bio I've read about George W. - a
spoiled brat who used and abused his father's position and money to
get himself into politics and high office. Sounds like something a
lot of people have done but will never admit it.
Considering this was largely a propaganda piece with twisted selective
"facts" and heavy albeit sly editoralizing.......a honest bio is somewhere
beyond a reach. When things pretend to be a history they do all of us a
disservice......conclusions based on shit often simply result in more turds.
Rod
dadiOH wrote:
>
> They also believe that one of the functions of government should be to
> provide a climate that enables people to help themselves, not just
> hand stuff to them.
>
Shorthand:
Liberals tend to PROVIDE for the general welfare through the TREASURY.
Conservatives tend to PROMOTE the general welfare through the ECONOMY.
On 7/25/2011 4:16 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>>
>>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>>
>>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
>>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>>
>>
>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>
> Considering Jimmy inheritied inflation from ford, and Reagon actively
> prevented resolution of the Tehran hostage crisis, what did Jimmy do
> that was so bad?
>
> scott
Absolutely nothing, he did absolutely nothing. Totally ineffective, a
political opportunist president.
"dadiOH" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush
> was the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
Bingo. Democrats (mostly) expected to be disappointed by a Republican
President, the surprise was all the Republicans who ended up feeling the
same way. As the late, great Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. said, whatever G.W. Bush
is, he isn't a conservative. Real conservatives believe in fiscal
responsibility on the part of govt. (the federal debt doubled on Bush's
watch), they believe in avoiding pointless military adventurism (any
explanations needed there?) and they believe in defending individual
liberties (rather than looking for reasons to ignore the Constitution).
When I think back to how I cheered Bush becoming President instead of Gore I
can only shake my head in disbelief.
"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shorthand:
> Liberals tend to PROVIDE for the general welfare through the TREASURY.
> Conservatives tend to PROMOTE the general welfare through the ECONOMY.
Is that why during the Reagan administration the federal debt more than
tripled? And you already know what happened to the debt under Bush 43,
don't you.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> One: Courts have held that, in spite of written rules, a pattern of
> behavior trumps the written rule. To punish someone for an infraction
> that is universally ignored will not be sustained.
I've had no speeding tickets (yet). But who has successfully used that
line for a speeding ticket? But, Officer, everyone is doing 75 here ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in news:j0s2ie$am6$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:37:39 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
>
>> What we need
>> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
>> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
>> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
>> Crazytown.
>
> That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
> conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
> looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
>
> But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and campaign
> funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to the idea of
> drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free air time to
> present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not a snowball's
> chance in hell, but it might well work better than what we've got now.
The only real alternative is to have ideological parties of all kinds of
persuasions. Then people can vote their ideas and convictions, rather
than the lesser of 2 evils. Of course than you'd get coalition
governments with all the troubles of that system. Such as the support of
a rather right-wing party for the current Dutch government, without that
party having any officials in the cabinet. So they have no governing
responsibility other than supporting the current slate of ministers, and
can withdraw support at the drop of a hat. But currently in the US it is
a dictatorship of the current narrow majority of votes, mostly steered by
disgust of the other guy.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>
>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>
>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>
>
>Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
Considering Jimmy inheritied inflation from ford, and Reagon actively
prevented resolution of the Tehran hostage crisis, what did Jimmy do
that was so bad?
scott
"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Considering Jimmy inheritied inflation from ford, and Reagon actively
> prevented resolution of the Tehran hostage crisis, what did Jimmy do
> that was so bad?
He wasn't much of a leader, even his own party's members of Congress ignored
him for much of his time in office. Perception counts, Carter just didn't
seem to be out in front much, Obama has the same problem IMO.
On the other hand Carter and his SecState pretty much engineered the end of
the Soviet Union by suckering the Soviets into invading Afghanistan, and the
Camp David peace treaty was no small thing either.
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> writes:
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 26, 9:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>[about Carter]
>>
>>> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
>>> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
>>> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. Jesus,
>>> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>>
>>Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
>>a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
>>crazies.
>
>Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
Actually, I blame you for "wanting ammo" (your words). This isn't a
war, a fight or a hunting expedition, after all.
You should, instead, have argued the case yourself, rationally and with
respect.
scott
On Jul 24, 10:22=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
This is probably the most honest bio I've read about George W. - a
spoiled brat who used and abused his father's position and money to
get himself into politics and high office. Sounds like something a
lot of people have done but will never admit it.
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> writes:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>>
>>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>>
>>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
>>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>>
>>
>>Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>
>Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
>sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
>
>Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
Actually, the 8 years of the Clinton administration were, by every
objective measure, the best since the DDE administration; and by
far better than any since.
It really tickles my funny bone that the only thing the right can
find wrong with those years was an affair with an intern (something
that was, is and should never have been anyone elses business - right
or wrong). It also had _nothing_ to do with how the country or
economy was run. It was the most peaceful 8 years in the history
of the 20th century. it was the most economically powerful decade
since Vietnam, with lowest inflation and the highest gains for the
poor, middle class and well-off. The DOW grew more in those 8 years
than any other comparable 8 year period. Clinton and the United
States were well respected by most of the rest of the free world.
Then comes Bush, two unfunded wars (almost 2trillion so far) and to
top it all off, he gave tax breaks to corporations and cut the taxes
for the wealthy - the first time in history that taxes haven't been
_raised_ to pay for a war that the President has decided was
necessary. Then to top that, he gave $190 billion[*] to AIG and
bailed out wallstreet before bowing out.
scott
[*] As much as the entire space shuttle program cost over forty years.
On 7/28/2011 7:05 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> DGDevin wrote:
>> "dadiOH" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>
>>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and
>>> Bush was the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>
>> Bingo. Democrats (mostly) expected to be disappointed by a Republican
>> President, the surprise was all the Republicans who ended up feeling
>> the same way. As the late, great Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. said, whatever
>> G.W. Bush is, he isn't a conservative. Real conservatives believe in
>> fiscal responsibility on the part of govt. (the federal debt doubled
>> on Bush's watch), they believe in avoiding pointless military
>> adventurism (any explanations needed there?) and they believe in
>> defending individual liberties (rather than looking for reasons to
>> ignore the Constitution).
>
> They also believe that one of the functions of government should be to
> provide a climate that enables people to help themselves, not just hand
> stuff to them.
>
>> When I think back to how I cheered Bush
>> becoming President instead of Gore I can only shake my head in
>> disbelief.
>
> It's OK, you were young and foolish :)
>
In hind sight Bush was still a much better choice than "Lock Box" Gore.
Carbon credits any one? ROTFL.
On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Max wrote:
>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>
>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>
>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>
> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>
Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
Robatoy wrote:
> On Jul 27, 9:32 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Jul 26, 9:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> [about Carter]
>>
>>>> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama
>>>> Canal),
>>>> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
>>>> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan.
>>>> Jesus,
>>>> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing
>>>> nothing?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>>
>>> Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can
>>> be a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic
>>> bunch of crazies.
>>
>> Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
>>
> I'll buy that. Happens to me.
Uh... not so much. It happens to us all, but that's because we let it
happen. We all know the net is full of idiotic stuff and the things we
choose to reference is exactly that - our choice. Not arguing with either
Larry or you as it relates to Carter, but the choice of references is a lot
more arguable.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>
>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>
>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>
>
>Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
--
[Television is] the triumph of machine over people.
-- Fred Allen
"dadiOH" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> PS - no pension either :)
Or a pension (and health care coverage) indexed to what the American people
have to deal with. So as the cost of health care insurance increases for
the average citizen, members of Congress have to pay the same amount towards
their own coverage--at that rate they'd have to pay for it all in about a
decade. Their pensions could be tied to unemployment numbers, the higher
unemployment rises, the smaller their pension gets.
Fat chance of getting any of them to vote for it though.
"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What I posited is not a hard and fast rule - it merely an inclination.
One which we haven't seen demonstrated in our lifetime you mean.
> But I do know that the debt increase under Reagan was largely responsible
> for the demise of the Soviet Union.
Equal credit to Carter for luring the Soviets into Afghanistan.
> The debt increase under Bush was in some significant measure caused by
> 9-11, two wars, and Katrina. Both increases, however, were projected to be
> manageable given the growth of the economy.
Two wars of choice, it's not like Afghanistan or Iraq was behind 9/11. I
figure Bush was entitled to go into Afghanistan after Bin Laden and AQ, but
considering they didn't finish that job and immediately started planning for
the invasion of Iraq there is no way he gets to write off that expense. As
for Katrina, pfffft, $110 billion--petty cash compared to Iraq.
> Now we have an administration that ran up more debt in its first MONTH
> than Bush did during eight years. In fact, so far, Obama has incurred more
> debt than FDR did during WWII!
Bush added five trillion to the debt over his administration (that's why
they had to vote to raise the debt ceiling seven times while he was in
office)--do you want to go with the claim that Obama spend five trillion in
his first month? Seriously?
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> What we need
>> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
>> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
>> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
>> Crazytown.
> That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
> conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
> looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
From your lips to God's ear.
> But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and campaign
> funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to the idea of
> drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free air time to
> present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not a snowball's
> chance in hell, but it might well work better than what we've got now.
Breaking the cycle of fundraising would be a huge step, but I donât know how
you'd do it short of a constitutional amendment. I'm not so sure about term
limits, they help with corruption but they also get rid of elected
representatives just when they've been there long enough to know what's
going on. That tends to shift power to unelected civil servants and that
brings its own problems.
I'd like to see every member of Congress required to share an office with a
member of another party, and they're not allowed to play golf unless there's
an equal number of players from the other side. Members of Congress used to
be friends with members from across the aisle, they could work together as a
result of knowing and respecting each other. Now if a Republican has lunch
with a Democrat he's labeled a RINO and the Tea Potters target him for
termination. No wonder Congress is such a mess.
Han wrote the following:
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>> One: Courts have held that, in spite of written rules, a pattern of
>> behavior trumps the written rule. To punish someone for an infraction
>> that is universally ignored will not be sustained.
>>
>
> I've had no speeding tickets (yet). But who has successfully used that
> line for a speeding ticket? But, Officer, everyone is doing 75 here ...
>
>
He/she can only catch one at a time.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Max wrote:
>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>
>I'd rather read his obituary.
There have been worse.. some who even acted through
the role.
And *that* from an objective antipodean perspective.
And, no, before you swamp my post, I do not do politic
in newsgroups. I merely thought the preference expressed
was waaay too broad a brush and thus "unfair" comment.
I also wanted to say thanks-->Max for recognising
the link I provided. I did think it was "non ex parte".. no?
george
Rod & BJ Jacobson wrote:
>>
>
> Considering this was largely a propaganda piece with twisted selective
> "facts" and heavy albeit sly editoralizing.......a honest bio is
> somewhere beyond a reach. When things pretend to be a history they do
> all of us a disservice......conclusions based on shit often simply
> result in more turds.
I agree. For example, the piece mentioned, not for the first time, Dubya's
seeming ducking of his National Guard obligations. I have yet to see, in the
dozens of accounts I've read about this failure to participate, how his
actions deviated from the usual and accepted practice of the time.
In other words, was "everybody" doing what he did or did he really shirk his
obligations and was never called out?
On 7/26/2011 1:16 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 7/25/2011 8:39 PM, Max wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>>>
>>> Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
>>> sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
>>>
>>> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
>>
>>
>>
>> I always have to chuckle when someone compares a Chevy Vega to a Ford
>> Pinto.
>>
>> Max
>
> I had a Vega once. I thought it was a pretty nice little car, except for
> the aluminum block and steel head design, that kept blowing head
> gaskets. But the engine design itself was so simple and uncluttered, you
> could replace a head gasket in 1/2 hour, start to finish. I finally
> replaced the block with one having steel cylinder sleeves.
I had a Vega and had to replace the head gasket, and short block on two
different occasions... You musta been a magician to change a head
gasket that fast. IIRC you/I had to replace the WP gasket to properly
tension the timing belt also. And then all that went with adding
coolant purging the air out of the cooling system draining and refilling
the oil that is contaminated with coolant as a result of the blown head
gasket. Valve cover gasket, restabbing the dist and wires, belts,
timing belt cover.... 30 minutes.... ??
Max wrote:
>>
>> I agree. For example, the piece mentioned, not for the first time,
>> Dubya's seeming ducking of his National Guard obligations. I have
>> yet to see, in the dozens of accounts I've read about this failure
>> to participate, how his actions deviated from the usual and accepted
>> practice of the time. In other words, was "everybody" doing what he did
>> or did he really
>> shirk his obligations and was never called out?
>>
>
>
> I just love that excuse. Johnny does it so why can't I.
> The first admonition from me when conducting a verbal reprimand was
> to warn the employee that such excuses would not be tolerated.
> "First of all, you're not "Johnny"'
> "Secondly, I am not required to inform you of whatever disciplinary
> measure I may or may not have taken with another employee.
> "Third, you may not be aware of all the circumstances surrounding the
> performance, or lack of, by another employee."
>
Good point. But there are two other, complimentary, points:
One: Courts have held that, in spite of written rules, a pattern of behavior
trumps the written rule. To punish someone for an infraction that is
universally ignored will not be sustained.
Two: We still don't know the circumstances. It could be Bush simply shirked
his duty and nobody bothered to sanction him. Or it could be he tried to
participate but the chain of command simply said "Go away. Quit bothering
us. We'll call you if we need you."
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 27, 9:32 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jul 26, 9:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >[about Carter]
>>
>> >> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
>> >> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
>> >> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. Jesus,
>> >> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>>
>> >Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
>> >a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
>> >crazies.
>>
>> Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
>>
>
>Moonlight shining on the back of my hand
>Cat fight rattlin' the garbage can
Man! There's no living with Toy when he drinks...
--
Win first, Fight later.
--martial principle of the Samurai
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Max wrote:
>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>
>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>
> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush was
the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
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Leon wrote:
> On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>
>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>
>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and
>> Bush was the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>
>
> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
No, I remember him very well. He was wishy-washy and ineffective but at
least he was a moral man (too moral). Bush was as close to a fascist as we
have had.
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Leon wrote:
> On 7/25/2011 4:16 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 7/25/2011 1:01 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH"<[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Max wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd rather read his obituary.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and
>>>> Bush was
>>>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>>
>> Considering Jimmy inheritied inflation from ford, and Reagon actively
>> prevented resolution of the Tehran hostage crisis, what did Jimmy do
>> that was so bad?
>>
>> scott
>
> Absolutely nothing, he did absolutely nothing. Totally ineffective, a
> political opportunist president.
I remember the peanut man giving SS benefits to a lot of people from
around the world that never paid into the SS system. I wonder how much
that is costing the taxpayers today.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:31:44 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
Given the current mess in Washington, how long are we going to put up
with either party? I've about had it.
OTOH, I recently read an article on Tom Paine. Seems that after the war
Washington and Morris (the equivalent of treasury secretary) hired Paine
to write articles praising federal taxes. Seems they had to "open the
peoples purses" (Morris) to pay off the bankers who had financed the war.
So before we got past our first president, we had fought a war with
borrowed money and taxed the poor to pay off the rich - sound familiar?
The more things change ...
--
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700, Robatoy wrote:
> That is what is wrong with so many people. They seem to need to be
> hardcore left or hardcore right. That's right, keep them at each other,
> that way you can fuck them over without them noticing too much.
> [metaphor alert]
Amen, brother!
--
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:51:58 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>OTOH, I recently read an article on Tom Paine. Seems that after the war
>>Washington and Morris (the equivalent of treasury secretary) hired Paine
>>to write articles praising federal taxes. Seems they had to "open the
>>peoples purses" (Morris) to pay off the bankers who had financed the
>>war.
>
> :/ Did you research its validity?
No, I didn't. It was in an article on Paine in American History
magazine. They're usually pretty accurate but certainly not infallible.
They do sometimes indulge in a bit of flag waving, but this definitely
didn't fall in that category :-).
--
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DGDevin wrote:
> "dadiOH" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>
>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and
>> Bush was the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
>
> Bingo. Democrats (mostly) expected to be disappointed by a Republican
> President, the surprise was all the Republicans who ended up feeling
> the same way. As the late, great Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. said, whatever
> G.W. Bush is, he isn't a conservative. Real conservatives believe in
> fiscal responsibility on the part of govt. (the federal debt doubled
> on Bush's watch), they believe in avoiding pointless military
> adventurism (any explanations needed there?) and they believe in
> defending individual liberties (rather than looking for reasons to
> ignore the Constitution).
They also believe that one of the functions of government should be to
provide a climate that enables people to help themselves, not just hand
stuff to them.
> When I think back to how I cheered Bush
> becoming President instead of Gore I can only shake my head in
> disbelief.
It's OK, you were young and foolish :)
--
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:06:17 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> It really tickles my funny bone that the only thing the right can find
> wrong with those years was an affair with an intern (something that was,
> is and should never have been anyone elses business - right or wrong).
I tend to agree with you on the Clinton years, but he brought it on
himself in the Lewinsky case by lying about it. If he'd just had the
balls to tell the press it was none of their business he'd probably have
picked up votes.
You're trying to get people to remember reality. That doesn't stand a
chance against the constant stream of propaganda coming out of D.C..
--
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:37:39 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
> What we need
> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
> Crazytown.
That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and campaign
funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to the idea of
drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free air time to
present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not a snowball's
chance in hell, but it might well work better than what we've got now.
--
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>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:37:39 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
>>
>>> What we need
>>> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
>>> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
>>> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
>>> Crazytown.
>>
>> That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
>> conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
>> looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
>>
>> But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and campaign
>> funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to the idea of
>> drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free air time to
>> present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not a snowball's
>> chance in hell, but it might well work better than what we've got now.
"The problems we face today cannot be solved by the minds that created
them." A Einstien
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:37:39 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
>
>> What we need
>> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
>> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
>> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
>> Crazytown.
>
> That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
> conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
> looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
>
> But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and
> campaign funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to
> the idea of drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free
> air time to present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not
> a snowball's chance in hell, but it might well work better than what
> we've got now.
I agree and have been advocating it for at least 30 years.
Even if a politician is honest, caring, wants to do a good job he still has
to get elected and that takes cash. Cash = favors and favors (aka "special
interests") are at the heart of our problem. Would we get worse politicians
if they weren't elected? I really doubt it.
PS - no pension either :)
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dadiOH wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:37:39 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
>>
>>> What we need
>>> is another purge of the party similar to what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and
>>> others staged when they pushed out the Birchers, because lately the
>>> right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the Republican Party straight to
>>> Crazytown.
>>
>> That's certainly a step in the right direction, but I'm coming to the
>> conclusion that we need to purge both parties. Actually the word I'm
>> looking for isn't "purge" it's "replace".
>>
>> But as long as politicians are concerned about re-election and
>> campaign funding, things won't change much. I keep coming back to
>> the idea of drawing names out of a hat, giving them 6 weeks of free
>> air time to present their views, and limiting them to one term. Not
>> a snowball's chance in hell, but it might well work better than what
>> we've got now.
>
> I agree and have been advocating it for at least 30 years.
>
> Even if a politician is honest, caring, wants to do a good job he still has
> to get elected and that takes cash. Cash = favors and favors (aka "special
> interests") are at the heart of our problem. Would we get worse politicians
> if they weren't elected? I really doubt it.
>
> PS - no pension either :)
>
Good idea. Take away some of the perks and see who is really interested
in "serving". Some people (e.g. Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, other
retirees, etc.) would probably take a turn. This reduces the incentive
to be a "career politician". Whoever said "public service" was supposed
to come with a lot of $$$? What do they pay jurors? :)
BTW, notice that our society does have people willing to serve as jurors
(or in the military) when their service is requested..
Bill
On 7/28/2011 3:17 PM, Max wrote:
> Ya know, I'm sorry as hell that I posted this thread to begin with.
> In truth it was an accident. I had intended it for the political group,
> "rec.outdoors.rv-travel" but I screwed up.
>
> Mia culpa.
>
> Max (getting back to work)
>
>
ROTFL ...
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 26, 9:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>[about Carter]
>
>> He was a horrible president, giving up strategic sites (Panama Canal),
>> boycotting the Olympics, Iran Hostage Crisis fiasco, gas rationing,
>> abandoning nuke energy, in/stag-flation, he armed Afghanistan. Jesus,
>> what DIDN'T he do wrong when not doing nothing?http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587065/posts
>
>Freerepublic, Larry? Really? Freepers are fucked up, Larry. One can be
>a constructive conservative without bolting on that idiotic bunch of
>crazies.
Blame Google for showing it to me when I wanted ammo.
>That is what is wrong with so many people. They seem to need to be
>hardcore left or hardcore right. That's right, keep them at each
>other, that way you can fuck them over without them noticing too much.
>[metaphor alert]
>When you're navigating a fragile ship with a valuable cargo down a
>narrow channel with nasty rocks on either side, you quickly discover
>that there are options besides Hard-to-Port and Hard-to-Starboard,
>either of which result in carnage.
>If you have room to manoeuvre, you can afford to play with the rudder
>a little, but you don't.
>Freepers don't understand the concept of compromise, and neither does
>that Soros bunch.... everybody is fighting over the steering wheel
>while the ship is heading for the fucking rocks. Smart!
>
>That display last night of Nobama and Boner
It's not -my- fault you watch teevee, suckah.
>was nothing but a attempt
>to make the other guy look like the reason the ship is going to crash;
>never seen such political bullshit. Well, other than the divisional
>politics Canada runs on...same shit, different day.
Utterly transparent posturing, yet the entire public (maybe the world)
is falling for that crap. Shakespeare was right.
>See what you did, Larry? You got me all upset. now I need to go to my
>pub and cool off.....dammit...
As if...
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> I agree. For example, the piece mentioned, not for the first time,
>> Dubya's seeming ducking of his National Guard obligations. I have
>> yet to see, in the dozens of accounts I've read about this failure
>> to participate, how his actions deviated from the usual and accepted
>> practice of the time.
>
> This is the "everyone else does it" argument. Doesn't make it right.
>
In many cases, yes it does. The Uniform Commercial Code recognizes that the
"usual and accepted practices" of an industry have the force of law. The
Bible says "Fair weights and measures you shall have" but "fair" depends on
the community [in one community a "container" may be "heaping" and in
another community it will be "level"].
Methinks you may be painting with too broad a brush when you condemn the
excuse in its entirety.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:31:44 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
>
>Given the current mess in Washington, how long are we going to put up
>with either party? I've about had it.
Amen. I'm still waiting for the supposed Great Cull to start.
Surely, a second American Revolution is brewing, but the inertia is
amazingly strong. Some day soon, once Americans realize the scam
Obama and the others have pulled on them (how can waivers even be
-considered- when he's mandating health insurance on everyone?), all
hell's going to break loose. I just hope it starts with someone other
than Obama, so there isn't a global race war coming out of it, too.
>OTOH, I recently read an article on Tom Paine. Seems that after the war
>Washington and Morris (the equivalent of treasury secretary) hired Paine
>to write articles praising federal taxes. Seems they had to "open the
>peoples purses" (Morris) to pay off the bankers who had financed the war.
:/ Did you research its validity?
>So before we got past our first president, we had fought a war with
>borrowed money and taxed the poor to pay off the rich - sound familiar?
>
>The more things change ...
<sigh>
--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
DGDevin wrote:
> "HeyBub" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Shorthand:
>
>> Liberals tend to PROVIDE for the general welfare through the
>> TREASURY. Conservatives tend to PROMOTE the general welfare through
>> the ECONOMY.
>
> Is that why during the Reagan administration the federal debt more
> than tripled? And you already know what happened to the debt under
> Bush 43, don't you.
What I posited is not a hard and fast rule - it merely an inclination.
But I do know that the debt increase under Reagan was largely responsible
for the demise of the Soviet Union. The debt increase under Bush was in some
significant measure caused by 9-11, two wars, and Katrina. Both increases,
however, were projected to be manageable given the growth of the economy.
Now we have an administration that ran up more debt in its first MONTH than
Bush did during eight years. In fact, so far, Obama has incurred more debt
than FDR did during WWII!
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:30:26 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Max wrote:
>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/
>
>I'd rather read his obituary.
You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
Here: America's First Black President
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/bill-clinton/
--
[Television is] the triumph of machine over people.
-- Fred Allen
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> You'd be a liberal hate monger, right?
>
>> Actually, no. Been a moderate Republican for close to 60 years and Bush
>> was
>> the worst I've seen Democrat or Republican.
> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
Refresh my memory, how many wars did he start?
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:16:57 -0600, Just Wondering
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/25/2011 8:39 PM, Max wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:57:56 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> Have you already forgotten the peanut farmer???
>>>
>>> Or "That depends what 'is' is, your honor." and "No, I did not have
>>> sex with Monica Lewinsky, your honor." Clintoon?
>>>
>>> Granted, Shrub was no peach, but have some sense of perspective!
>>
>>
>>
>> I always have to chuckle when someone compares a Chevy Vega to a Ford
>> Pinto.
>>
>> Max
>
>I had a Vega once. I thought it was a pretty nice little car, except
>for the aluminum block and steel head design, that kept blowing head
>gaskets. But the engine design itself was so simple and uncluttered,
>you could replace a head gasket in 1/2 hour, start to finish. I finally
>replaced the block with one having steel cylinder sleeves.
GM engineering: Ya gotta love it IF you earn your living wrenching.
I bought and drove a '79 Pinto with auto trans after hurting my back.
I couldn't even steer my '72 Int'l Scout, with its 26" wheel and
manual steering. (That thing kept me in shape without any extra
exercise, I tell ya.) I drove it for almost two years without anything
but an oil change and gas to maintain it.
'Twas ugly as sin, but it was a reliable little car when I needed one.
I paid the lot $1,825 and got $1,350 out of it, so it was cheap to
own, too. About 1/16 the cost of a new vehicle.
--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> Actually, the 8 years of the Clinton administration were, by every
> objective measure, the best since the DDE administration; and by
> far better than any since.
>
> It really tickles my funny bone that the only thing the right can
> find wrong with those years was an affair with an intern (something
> that was, is and should never have been anyone elses business - right
> or wrong). It also had _nothing_ to do with how the country or
> economy was run. It was the most peaceful 8 years in the history
> of the 20th century. it was the most economically powerful decade
> since Vietnam, with lowest inflation and the highest gains for the
> poor, middle class and well-off. The DOW grew more in those 8 years
> than any other comparable 8 year period. Clinton and the United
> States were well respected by most of the rest of the free world.
Peaceful? Clinton waged war on more countries than anyone since FDR
(Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Haiti, Albania, Serbia, and Bosnia).
During the decade of the '90s there was, on average, one terrorist attack on
the U.S. or U.S. interests abroad (1st WTC bombing, USS Cole, embassy
bombings, kidnapping of U.S. ambassadors, etc.).
>
> Then comes Bush, two unfunded wars (almost 2trillion so far) and to
> top it all off, he gave tax breaks to corporations and cut the taxes
> for the wealthy - the first time in history that taxes haven't been
> _raised_ to pay for a war that the President has decided was
> necessary. Then to top that, he gave $190 billion[*] to AIG and
> bailed out wallstreet before bowing out.
>
You say that like you think it's a "bad" thing.
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ya know, I'm sorry as hell that I posted this thread to begin with.
mheh.. don't look at m e like that!
I stayed out of it! <G>
>In truth it was an accident. I had intended it for the political group,
>"rec.outdoors.rv-travel" but I screwed up.
>
Well it (topic) certainly traveled.. :-)
>Mia culpa.
>
yer get that on these Big Projects :-D
>Max (getting back to work)
>
yeh.. me too.
Looks to me like Josepi/'mII'/Eric/mHo
is well shackled.
As some help on another?
That George Frost character?
The bloke is posting from an Aussie domain, sure,
yet one that only the completely clueless Aussie
would use . The stereotype is covered in this story;
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/07/28/orgies-of-self-interest-leave-no-room-for-sober-justice/
Another BigPoo user sits in a cell, wondering what
the freckle happened.
You can safely discount *anything* that George
has as an offering.
see ya 'round..
george
--
/lurk mode to 0n
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In hind sight Bush was still a much better choice than "Lock Box" Gore.
> Carbon credits any one? ROTFL.
Hind sight, is that looking out of your ass? Two wars (both funded with
borrowed money), warrantless wiretaps, Abu Ghraib, imaginary WMDs, the
federal debt doubled in eight years, and an economy that was in free fall by
the time he left office--that's your idea of a better choice? I'm no Gore
fan then or now, but considering the state of the nation when Bush took
office and when he left, how much worse could Gore have been?
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Given the current mess in Washington, how long are we going to put up
> with either party? I've about had it.
I've traditionally thought the Democrats were the worse of the two parties,
but in the past decade or so the Republicans have earned that distinction in
my books. They voted to increase the debt ceiling seven times during the
Bush administration (doubling the federal debt in the process), now that
there is a Dem in the White House they've suddenly discovered deficit
financing is a bad idea. They blew a deal to get four trillion in spending
cuts because they don't want tax breaks for millionaires and oil companies
ended--it's like they don't even care anymore about it being obvious whose
interests they serve. What we need is another purge of the party similar to
what Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. and others staged when they pushed out the
Birchers, because lately the right-wingnuts seem happy to steer the
Republican Party straight to Crazytown.