Just brought in my latest woodworking project. (Still smells like some of
the alcohol in the shellac is evaporating.) Before taking it apart to
finish it, I marked some parts and not others. As a result, some of the
parts are fitting nicely and others aren't.
So when building something be sure to mark everything before you take it
apart.
Puckdropper
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:39:14 -0800, the infamous charlie b
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Artists use computers for some purposes but Corel Painter is still a poor
>> substitute for oils and canvas.
>
>Ever got to play with Kai Krauss's Painter? Has a selection of virtual
>brushes of real world painter's brushes - sable, fan, oil, watercolor,
>stencil even pinstriping brush which behave very much like the real
>thing once you get the hang of it. AND you can do things with virtual
>mediums which you CAN NOT do with real world mediums - like combining
>the characteristics of water color and oil paint. Combine the many
>features of this app with the fact that you can save things along the
>way and UNDO mistakes - and there's much to be said for working with
>digital mediums.
I got (and played with) Expression, then got Painter and never really
did anything with it, being steered by client requests. 'Twas fun to
toy with, though.
--
Don't forget the 7 P's:
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance
allen476 <[email protected]> wrote in news:0f22d2ce-cc34-4c9a-aecf-
[email protected]:
> On Dec 8, 1:37 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> A box of blackboard chalk is your friend in the shop.
>>
>> Lew
>
> I actually still use a pencil.
*snip*
>
> Allen
Blackboard chalk would seem to wash off quite easily, not good if you
want to keep the marks after finishing. Incidentally, ink pen ink and
permanent marker also washes off easily with certain finishes.
Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
Puckdropper
"Leon" wrote:
> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had
> genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>
> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>
> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting
> classes.
Quality pencils don't have erasers, that's why electric or even manual
erasers exist.
Your choice of eraser material including pink pearl, white plastic or
ink.
Available from any decent drafting supply house.
Add an erasing shield and you are good to go.
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Drafting supplies are located one aisle over from buggy whips,
> towards
> the back of the store.
-------------------------------------------
Sounds like you live in a drafting supply house challenged area.
Have one within 5 miles of the front door.
Lew
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> Blackboard chalk would seem to wash off quite easily, not good if
> you
> want to keep the marks after finishing.
Precisely why I use chalk.
Good for temporary marks such as witness marks for glue-ups or
assemblies, marking the side of a board you do not want to plane,
sand, etc.
Permanent marking is a whole different ball of wax.
Lew
On Dec 8, 1:37=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> A box of blackboard chalk is your friend in the shop.
>
> Lew
I actually still use a pencil. The drawer trim I could mark on the
underside with a drawer number and location and the top trim I could
mark the location on the underside as well. The shelf trim is seen on
three sides and I was going to mark it on the back with a shelf number
and location, but my memory faded and I gathered everything up and put
it away. Then I went "Doh". I spent today getting at least 2 of the 5
shelves sorted out. It took me less time to cut them all out the first
time around......Oh well
Allen
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:12:12 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Snip
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>
>
>I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had genuine
>natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>
>Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>
>I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting classes.
Nah, I'm just a wannabe pencil connasewer, mon. Yeah, soft green or
white erasers rock. Who knows what they're made of.
--
Don't forget the 7 P's:
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance
J. Clarke wrote:
> Artists use computers for some purposes but Corel Painter is still a poor
> substitute for oils and canvas.
Ever got to play with Kai Krauss's Painter? Has a selection of virtual
brushes of real world painter's brushes - sable, fan, oil, watercolor,
stencil even pinstriping brush which behave very much like the real
thing once you get the hang of it. AND you can do things with virtual
mediums which you CAN NOT do with real world mediums - like combining
the characteristics of water color and oil paint. Combine the many
features of this app with the fact that you can save things along the
way and UNDO mistakes - and there's much to be said for working with
digital mediums.
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:48:17 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" wrote:
>
>> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had
>> genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>>
>> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>>
>> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting
>> classes.
>
>Quality pencils don't have erasers, that's why electric or even manual
>erasers exist.
>
>Your choice of eraser material including pink pearl, white plastic or
>ink.
>
>Available from any decent drafting supply house.
>
>Add an erasing shield and you are good to go.
>
>Lew
>
>
Drafting supplies are located one aisle over from buggy whips, towards
the back of the store.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Snip
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>
>
> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had genuine
> natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>
> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>
> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting classes.
>
White plastic is still the best. You can get them in a pen type thing that
fits well in an apron pocket. At work, my upper apron pocket always contains
two scales, a pen, mechanical pencil and an eraser.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Drafting supplies are located one aisle over from buggy whips, towards
>> the back of the store.
> -------------------------------------------
> Sounds like you live in a drafting supply house challenged area.
>
> Have one within 5 miles of the front door.
>
Same here though I haven't used anything but CAD in years.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
>
> Puckdropper
One of the things I indulged myself with, when I had a shop, was
an electric pencil sharpener and a box containing a gross of #2
pencils from Office Depot. Here in the desert, my little
workbench still sports an electric pencil sharpener and I have a
drawer with pencils and unlined paper as well.
--
Nonny
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it
>> had genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>>
>> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>>
>> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking
>> drafting classes.
>
> Quality pencils don't have erasers, that's why electric or even
> manual erasers exist.
>
> Your choice of eraser material including pink pearl, white
> plastic or ink.
>
> Available from any decent drafting supply house.
>
> Add an erasing shield and you are good to go.
Also, be sure to wear goggles. <grin>
--
Nonny
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers
>> become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I
>> get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
> -------------------------------
>
> Erasers?
>
> What's an ERASER?
In a shop, it's an old piece of 120grit garnet paper.
--
Nonny
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip
> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had genuine
natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting classes.
On Dec 6, 9:15=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
"
be sure to mark everything before you take it apart. Puckdropper
And, let me add "Before you cut the parts" as well.
I was reminded of this lesson AFTER cutting the rabbet for the
shelving backer on the 68 inch tall sides and had to make new parts.
Fortunately it was a shop storage cabinet
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:33:33 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get
>> a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>-------------------------------
>
>Erasers?
>
>What's an ERASER?
Sorry, Lew. I forgot that there were some people out there who have
never made a mistake. Please accept my sincere regrets for my fox
piss.
--
Don't forget the 7 P's:
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:47:53 -0800, the infamous "Nonny"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>>One of the things I indulged myself with, when I had a shop, was
>>an electric pencil sharpener and a box containing a gross of #2
>>pencils from Office Depot. Here in the desert, my little
>>workbench still sports an electric pencil sharpener and I have a
>>drawer with pencils and unlined paper as well.
>
> I'm an old-school Neander with a manual pencil sharpener mounted
> on
> the wall inside the shop door.
I'm better than you, Larry. When my voltage drops below 95vac in
the shop, I just gnaw the wood off my pencils to sharpen them even
MORE Neander than you. <grin>
>
> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers
> become
> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I
> get a
> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
Oh. . . you make mistakes and need an eraser????? I get mine
without, since I never make mistakes. <grin>
--
Nonny
ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.
On Dec 6, 9:15=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> Just brought in my latest woodworking project. =A0(Still smells like some=
of
> the alcohol in the shellac is evaporating.) =A0Before taking it apart to
> finish it, I marked some parts and not others. =A0As a result, some of th=
e
> parts are fitting nicely and others aren't.
>
> So when building something be sure to mark everything before you take it
> apart.
>
> Puckdropper
As I am finishing an entertainment center, I know what you mean. All
of the drawer trim, shelf trim, and top trim is in a different finish.
The last I counted, it was at 92 pieces and most are cut to fit. Not
fun when you forgot to mark any of the shelf trim. I think it would be
faster to just redo it.
Allen
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had
>> genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>>
>> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>>
>> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting
>> classes.
>
> Quality pencils don't have erasers, that's why electric or even manual
> erasers exist.
>
> Your choice of eraser material including pink pearl, white plastic or
> ink.
>
> Available from any decent drafting supply house.
>
> Add an erasing shield and you are good to go.
OMG! This is soooo retro, dude!!
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"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 07 Dec 2009 02:15:17 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>Just brought in my latest woodworking project. (Still smells like some of
>>the alcohol in the shellac is evaporating.) Before taking it apart to
>>finish it, I marked some parts and not others. As a result, some of the
>>parts are fitting nicely and others aren't.
>>
>>So when building something be sure to mark everything before you take it
>>apart.
>
> No point. It's well documented that at least one part will always
> change dimensions as soon as glue is applied to it. No one quite
> understands how.
>
that was what I was thinking. I never disassemble a project to finish it
unless the parts are attached with hinges or slides. I may pre stain or
finish panels in a door panel prior to glue up however.
Leon wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Snip
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>
>
> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had
> genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>
> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>
> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting
> classes.
The white ones are the good ones, at least in the sense that they erase
thoroughly, don't chew up the paper too much, and don't seem to rot.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Drafting supplies are located one aisle over from buggy whips,
>> towards
>> the back of the store.
> -------------------------------------------
> Sounds like you live in a drafting supply house challenged area.
>
> Have one within 5 miles of the front door.
Staples and Office Depot have some basics. The craft stores (Michael's for
example) have more. Real art supply places (Dick Blick for example) have a
fair selection. The blueprint places these days are iffy--many of them have
gone in so heavily for supporting electronic drafting that they are
neglecting board drafting, but call around. If all else fails
http://www.draftingsuppliesdew.com/ should have what you want and they're
quite prompt.
Artists use computers for some purposes but Corel Painter is still a poor
substitute for oils and canvas.
CW wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Snip
>>
>>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get
>>> a box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>>
>>
>> I was reading a bout a better grade pencil that touted that it had
>> genuine natural rubber for the eraser IIRC.
>>
>> Is there a difference in longetivity that you know of?
>>
>> I recall using a white plastic eraser while I was taking drafting
>> classes.
>>
>
> White plastic is still the best. You can get them in a pen type thing
> that fits well in an apron pocket. At work, my upper apron pocket
> always contains two scales, a pen, mechanical pencil and an eraser.
And Staedtler has a nice little battery powered electric that you can get at
Staples for 10 bucks.
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:47:53 -0800, the infamous "Nonny"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
>One of the things I indulged myself with, when I had a shop, was
>an electric pencil sharpener and a box containing a gross of #2
>pencils from Office Depot. Here in the desert, my little
>workbench still sports an electric pencil sharpener and I have a
>drawer with pencils and unlined paper as well.
I'm an old-school Neander with a manual pencil sharpener mounted on
the wall inside the shop door.
And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
--
To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen
to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:08:58 -0800, the infamous "Nonny"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:47:53 -0800, the infamous "Nonny"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>
>>>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>>One of the things I indulged myself with, when I had a shop, was
>>>an electric pencil sharpener and a box containing a gross of #2
>>>pencils from Office Depot. Here in the desert, my little
>>>workbench still sports an electric pencil sharpener and I have a
>>>drawer with pencils and unlined paper as well.
>>
>> I'm an old-school Neander with a manual pencil sharpener mounted
>> on
>> the wall inside the shop door.
>
>I'm better than you, Larry. When my voltage drops below 95vac in
>the shop, I just gnaw the wood off my pencils to sharpen them even
>MORE Neander than you. <grin>
Yeah, well I ain't got no lead mouth, neither. So there!
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers
>> become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I
>> get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
>
>Oh. . . you make mistakes and need an eraser????? I get mine
>without, since I never make mistakes. <grin>
WE ARE NOT WORTHY! WE ARE NOT WORTHY! WE ARE NOT WORTHY!
<bow, scrape, gag>
--
Don't forget the 7 P's:
Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance
On 07 Dec 2009 02:15:17 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Just brought in my latest woodworking project. (Still smells like some of
>the alcohol in the shellac is evaporating.) Before taking it apart to
>finish it, I marked some parts and not others. As a result, some of the
>parts are fitting nicely and others aren't.
>
>So when building something be sure to mark everything before you take it
>apart.
No point. It's well documented that at least one part will always
change dimensions as soon as glue is applied to it. No one quite
understands how.
-Kevin
wrote:
> allen476 <[email protected]> wrote in news:0f22d2ce-cc34-4c9a-aecf-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On Dec 8, 1:37�pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> RE: Subject
>>>
>>> A box of blackboard chalk is your friend in the shop.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>> I actually still use a pencil.
>
> *snip*
>
>>
>> Allen
>
> Blackboard chalk would seem to wash off quite easily, not good if you
> want to keep the marks after finishing. Incidentally, ink pen ink and
> permanent marker also washes off easily with certain finishes.
>
Where possible, I mark parts where they won't be seen -- on the tenons or
the ends. On the edges of floating panels, etc. Most parts usually have
some edge covered by something else or in a non-visible area.
> Good ol' pencil is a cheap & effective way to go.
>
> Puckdropper
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> And I learned early never to buy a gross of pencils. Erasers become
>> calcified and petrify before the -first- dozen is used up, so I get a
>> box every year at the back-to-school price of five cents.
> -------------------------------
>
> Erasers?
>
> What's an ERASER?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
The pink thing on the other end of the pencil that leaces qa dark streak on
the line you are trying to remove. ;~)