A few weeks ago I had inquired about a sled for a planer to flatten rough
sawn stock with a planer. A poster was gracious enough to send me copies of
the FWW plans and article. Since then I have received my new Delta 15"
planer with the deluxe stand that has the 4 roller in feed and 4 roller out
feed tables.
I built the sled almost exactly as the instructions call for except I made
the sled 8' long instead of 5' long. I can say that I am quite pleased with
the results that I am getting when flattening 100-102" boards. It is not as
easy as simply feeding the board through the planer as you need to make sure
that you do not let the board move around on the sled while carrying it from
the out feed side back to the in feed side. The adhesive backed tape that
you put on stair steps to prevent slipping, added to the adjustable
supports, hold the board quite well. Plus there is the weight
consideration. The sled at least doubles the weight of the board that you
feeding into the planer and it is best to take lighter passes until you
have the top side flattened. AND those Oak boards that I usually buy that
come 13/16" thick have now grown to almost 5/4 in thickness. Typically the
4/4 rough sawn Oak that I purchased is a minimum of 1-1/8" thick so these
boards are almost 40% heavier than the s3s stock I have been buying. The
big plus side is that I am getting at least 7/8" thick stock surfaced on
both sides.
So having boards coming out of the planer flat enough that I can straighten
the edges on the TS with another jig with no burning of the edge caused by
the stock rocking, I can say that I am quite happy with the sled. 6 boards
behind me and 40 to go.
Ihave a powermatic 15" planer with four infeed and outfeed roller. BE
VERY CAREFUL ON THE OUTFEED SIDE. I foolishly dropped something and
put my hand on one of the rollers as i bent over to pick up the wood
and the wood i was planing hit my finges and fortunately i was able to
pull them out without breaking or losing one of them. I have sinced
changed to a solid cast set of tables. joe
Sun, Jan 15, 2006, 5:43am (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
doth sled in with:
<snip> The adhesive backed tape that you put on stair steps to prevent
slipping, added to the adjustable supports, hold the board quite well.
<snip>
I don't like tape for that myself, so I'd prefer wedging it in
place. But, that's me.
JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear".
What do you "know"?
- Granny Weatherwax
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> When dressing lumber, I would disconnect the DC from that puppy and just
>> let'r fly. A broom and a bunch of garbage bags were MUCH quicker than
>> undoing the DC and all that rot.
>
> Umm My dust collector stays unconnected all of the time. I do not use one
> yet. I figure until I can afford the space for a large one that a small
> one may be more work.
> I see that your advice parallels my thinking. Thanks for the back up
> thinking.
>
You're going to end up with chip impressions rolled in your stock if you're
not careful. Worse, depending on climate, you could end up with static
cling on the shavings that will force you to have someone on the outfeed
side with a stick to dislodge the mess. Never plane white cedar in the
winter!
Get the trashcan stage and let the air be your stick. MUCH better option.
Doesn't take much, you know. Mine's a 450 CFM rated and does famously.
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:43:27 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>A few weeks ago I had inquired about a sled for a planer to flatten rough
>sawn stock with a planer. A poster was gracious enough to send me copies of
>the FWW plans and article. Since then I have received my new Delta 15"
>planer with the deluxe stand that has the 4 roller in feed and 4 roller out
>feed tables.
>
>I built the sled almost exactly as the instructions call for except I made
>the sled 8' long instead of 5' long. I can say that I am quite pleased with
>the results that I am getting when flattening 100-102" boards. It is not as
>easy as simply feeding the board through the planer as you need to make sure
>that you do not let the board move around on the sled while carrying it from
>the out feed side back to the in feed side. The adhesive backed tape that
>you put on stair steps to prevent slipping, added to the adjustable
>supports, hold the board quite well. Plus there is the weight
>consideration. The sled at least doubles the weight of the board that you
>feeding into the planer and it is best to take lighter passes until you
>have the top side flattened. AND those Oak boards that I usually buy that
>come 13/16" thick have now grown to almost 5/4 in thickness. Typically the
>4/4 rough sawn Oak that I purchased is a minimum of 1-1/8" thick so these
>boards are almost 40% heavier than the s3s stock I have been buying. The
>big plus side is that I am getting at least 7/8" thick stock surfaced on
>both sides.
>So having boards coming out of the planer flat enough that I can straighten
>the edges on the TS with another jig with no burning of the edge caused by
>the stock rocking, I can say that I am quite happy with the sled. 6 boards
>behind me and 40 to go.
>
might you be so graciouse as to pass those plans along? i just got my
new 20" planer set up and a nice sled may be in order soon.. the addy
is fartntouchit at hotmail dot com.
skeez
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You
>> know, even with a very shallow cut you get a heap of saw dust when you
>> run
>> 15" through.
>
> When dressing lumber, I would disconnect the DC from that puppy and just
> let'r fly. A broom and a bunch of garbage bags were MUCH quicker than
> undoing the DC and all that rot.
Umm My dust collector stays unconnected all of the time. I do not use one
yet. I figure until I can afford the space for a large one that a small one
may be more work.
I see that your advice parallels my thinking. Thanks for the back up
thinking.
"joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ihave a powermatic 15" planer with four infeed and outfeed roller. BE
> VERY CAREFUL ON THE OUTFEED SIDE. I foolishly dropped something and
> put my hand on one of the rollers as i bent over to pick up the wood
> and the wood i was planing hit my finges and fortunately i was able to
> pull them out without breaking or losing one of them. I have sinced
> changed to a solid cast set of tables. joe
>
Thanks for the warning but I already had that in mind when shopping. The
Delta in feed and out feed tables are actually steel tables with 4 slots cut
into them just large enough for the rollers to protrude through. The
largest gap any where in the tables is about 1/8" wide.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon (in [email protected]) said:
>
> <snip>
>
> | So far I am still more in
> | favor of sweeping up a large pile of saw dust than emptying a trash
> | can or collector bag 2 to 4 times during a particular run.
>
> I keep an old snow shovel handy - the large aluminum blade makes
> cleanup quick and easy.
Darn it Morris, my dad and I share a plastic construction clean up shovel
that measures about 20 x24 and I just bought a large HD aluminum dust pan
Saturday. Why did you go and remind me to use a shovel. LOL.
"hylourgos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Glad it work for you too Leon. Did you make your own torsion box or use
> a door?
>
> Later,
> H
>
Yes it works great and thanks again for the plans. I strongly considered
the door but ended up building the heavier torsion box. I am almost always
flattening 8' or a bit longer boards and felt that the extra 16 or so inches
in length would be beneficial.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> So having boards coming out of the planer flat enough that I can straighten
> the edges on the TS with another jig with no burning of the edge caused by
> the stock rocking, I can say that I am quite happy with the sled.
40 more to go? Must be some big footlocker you're building. *G*
With those massive in/out-feed rollers, you basically have built yourself an
up-side down 15" jointer. What a great application of a great device. Nice to
have all those ponies at your disposal, eh?
A couple of these will be very helpful as well, Leon:
http://www.kingcanada.com/Products.htm?CD=293&ID=11829
In article <[email protected]>,
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You
> know, even with a very shallow cut you get a heap of saw dust when you run
> 15" through.
When dressing lumber, I would disconnect the DC from that puppy and just
let'r fly. A broom and a bunch of garbage bags were MUCH quicker than
undoing the DC and all that rot.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> 40 more to go? Must be some big footlocker you're building. *G*
Firewood. I dont like to get splinters in my hands while feeding the
fireplace. :~)
Actually I thought that the first test piece would end up being firewood.
Fortunately it ended up being used in a small job that I am about to
complete.
>
> With those massive in/out-feed rollers, you basically have built yourself
> an
> up-side down 15" jointer.
Yeah! I was shopping bigger jointers and thought the sled would save a load
of money to buy more wood with.
What a great application of a great device. Nice to
> have all those ponies at your disposal, eh?
The extra HP is wonderful. I had 3 bords glued up to for a 15" wide panel
for the above mentioned project. That panel just fit in the planer. You
know, even with a very shallow cut you get a heap of saw dust when you run
15" through.
As you mentioned, the planer is MUCH quieter. I can actually tolerate
running it with out hearing protection although I did this just for
compairison.
> A couple of these will be very helpful as well, Leon:
> http://www.kingcanada.com/Products.htm?CD=293&ID=11829
Yeah. that looks pretty cool. It looks like it collapses down to a very
small space. I actually did end up buying a Craftsman roller stand for $15.
I could not go wrong and it works fine. When taking the sled from the out
feed end to the in feed end I have to set it down so that I can adjust the
cutting depth for the next pass. I was setting it down on a work table,
adjusting, picking the sled up and going back to the planer. Now I can
simply set it down on the in feed side of the planer planer.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sun, Jan 15, 2006, 5:43am (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
> doth sled in with:
> <snip> The adhesive backed tape that you put on stair steps to prevent
> slipping, added to the adjustable supports, hold the board quite well.
> <snip>
>
> I don't like tape for that myself, so I'd prefer wedging it in
> place. But, that's me.
I use the tape to keep the wedges from moving and to keep the supports from
moving. Very effective.
Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 1:23am (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
doth sayeth:
I use the tape to keep the wedges from moving and to keep the supports
from moving. Very effective.
Can't argue with someting that works. I just don't like cleaning
up after tape, or rubber cement. Which is why I used the cam clamps on
my sled - they do the job, and no mess. But, that sled's served it's
purpose, time to go larger, and a bit more sophisticated. Maybe even
paint the next one. LMAO
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 1:23am (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
> doth sayeth:
> I use the tape to keep the wedges from moving and to keep the supports
> from moving. Very effective.
>
> Can't argue with someting that works. I just don't like cleaning
> up after tape, or rubber cement. Which is why I used the cam clamps on
> my sled - they do the job, and no mess. But, that sled's served it's
> purpose, time to go larger, and a bit more sophisticated. Maybe even
> paint the next one. LMAO
There is nothing to clean up. No glue. The non slip material has a lining
that you peal off and then you stick the tape on. I pulled the lining of
and laid the wood supports and wedges side by side on the tape and then used
a utility knife to cut the tape between all the pieces.
Leon (in [email protected]) said:
<snip>
| So far I am still more in
| favor of sweeping up a large pile of saw dust than emptying a trash
| can or collector bag 2 to 4 times during a particular run.
I keep an old snow shovel handy - the large aluminum blade makes
cleanup quick and easy.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:10:16 GMT, skeezics <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:43:27 GMT, "Leon"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A few weeks ago I had inquired about a sled for a planer to flatten rough
>>sawn stock with a planer. A poster was gracious enough to send me copies of
>>the FWW plans and article. Since then I have received my new Delta 15"
>>planer with the deluxe stand that has the 4 roller in feed and 4 roller out
>>feed tables.
>>
>>I built the sled almost exactly as the instructions call for except I made
>>the sled 8' long instead of 5' long. I can say that I am quite pleased with
>>the results that I am getting when flattening 100-102" boards. It is not as
>>easy as simply feeding the board through the planer as you need to make sure
>>that you do not let the board move around on the sled while carrying it from
>>the out feed side back to the in feed side. The adhesive backed tape that
>>you put on stair steps to prevent slipping, added to the adjustable
>>supports, hold the board quite well. Plus there is the weight
>>consideration. The sled at least doubles the weight of the board that you
>>feeding into the planer and it is best to take lighter passes until you
>>have the top side flattened. AND those Oak boards that I usually buy that
>>come 13/16" thick have now grown to almost 5/4 in thickness. Typically the
>>4/4 rough sawn Oak that I purchased is a minimum of 1-1/8" thick so these
>>boards are almost 40% heavier than the s3s stock I have been buying. The
>>big plus side is that I am getting at least 7/8" thick stock surfaced on
>>both sides.
>>So having boards coming out of the planer flat enough that I can straighten
>>the edges on the TS with another jig with no burning of the edge caused by
>>the stock rocking, I can say that I am quite happy with the sled. 6 boards
>>behind me and 40 to go.
>>
>
>might you be so graciouse as to pass those plans along? i just got my
>new 20" planer set up and a nice sled may be in order soon.. the addy
>is fartntouchit at hotmail dot com.
>
>skeez
thanks leon.
skeez
"George" <George@least> wrote in message
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>
> You're going to end up with chip impressions rolled in your stock if
> you're not careful.
I have not had a problem with the impessions since buying a planer 1989 and
have not had a problem with that with the new Delta planer. I did have once
instance however with the impressions with my first board in the new palner
as the collector with the 4" hole in it for the hose that connects to a dust
collector was not permitting the shavings to flow freely. I removed that
adapter and the shavings now flow freely out of the planer and the problem
has been cured.
Worse, depending on climate, you could end up with static
> cling on the shavings that will force you to have someone on the outfeed
> side with a stick to dislodge the mess.
That was the problem with having the collector adapter on there with no
dusto collector. With out the adapter there is no problem.
Never plane white cedar in the
> winter!
>
> Get the trashcan stage and let the air be your stick. MUCH better option.
> Doesn't take much, you know. Mine's a 450 CFM rated and does famously.
I am not so concerned about the CFM volume as the storage capacity of the
dust collector. My trash container will hold 4 to 5 times the storage
capacity of most small collector bags. IIRC it is 80 gallons. It is not
unusual for me to have a pile of saw dust that would fill the typical 30
gallon trash can 2 or 3 times in one usage.
I have played with the idea of sending the saw dust straight into the 80
gallon trash can but getting a good seal on a square and uneven edged can
may present a problem. So far I am still more in favor of sweeping up a
large pile of saw dust than emptying a trash can or collector bag 2 to 4
times during a particular run.
Sun, Jan 15, 2006, 4:30pm [email protected] (Mark=A0Jacobs) also asketh:
If it's not too much of a bother, I'd like to get a set of those plans
as well.
Might's well put me on the list too.
Might wind up easer just posting them.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
Er yuh giben me pernissin to e-mail uh JT. LOL
Its in its way.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Sun, Jan 15, 2006, 4:30pm [email protected] (Mark Jacobs) also asketh:
If it's not too much of a bother, I'd like to get a set of those plans
as well.
Might's well put me on the list too.
Might wind up easer just posting them.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 6:36pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
has spaken:
Er yuh giben me pernissin to e-mail uh JT. LOL
Its in its way.
Verily, thou hast gotten it thusly, dude. And, I dost thanketh
thou.
And, I didn't even send a nasty reply. LOL Thanks. For some
reason in some of the pictures, they guy was hanging from the ceiling.
Once I figured out the pictures were just upside down, I turned my
screen back right-side-up, and printed them out, to look at them -
worked much better that way. Looks like I can use a feature or two.
Thanks.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
"J T" wrote in message
> Once I figured out the pictures were just upside down, I turned my
> screen back right-side-up, and printed them out, to look at them -
> worked much better that way.
Jeeez, all that trouble for nothing ... next time just rotate the printer.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/13/05
Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 3:11pm (EST-1) [email protected] (Swingman) now sayeth:
Jeeez, all that trouble for nothing ... next time just rotate the
printer.
Why didn't you say that before?
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking
about Swingman. LMAO
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> And, I didn't even send a nasty reply. LOL Thanks. For some
> reason in some of the pictures, they guy was hanging from the ceiling.
> Once I figured out the pictures were just upside down, I turned my
> screen back right-side-up, and printed them out, to look at them -
> worked much better that way. Looks like I can use a feature or two.
> Thanks.
Huh... You turned you monitor over to see the pictures right side up and
silly me stood on my head. :~)
Perhaps that adhesive backed stair step material looks a little simpler now.
The trick is to stick all the wood pieces down on the tape next to each
other and then cut them apart with a utility knife.
Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 11:04pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
NOW says:
Huh... You turned you monitor over to see the pictures right side up and
silly me stood on my head. :~) <snip>
I didn't know standing on my head was an option. I suppose I could
have bent over, and looked thru my legs - but then they would have been
ass-backwards.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:37:54 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 11:04pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
>NOW says:
>Huh... You turned you monitor over to see the pictures right side up and
>silly me stood on my head. :~) <snip>
>
> I didn't know standing on my head was an option. I suppose I could
>have bent over, and looked thru my legs - but then they would have been
>ass-backwards.
>
>
DONT DO THAT!!!!! you may never stand upright again and if ya tips
over you could wind up with you head up yur ars!! lmao..... but then
SWMBO say thats where i keep mine most of the time! :-}>
skeez
>
Tue, Jan 17, 2006, 12:41am (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) doth
advisith:
DONT DO THAT!!!!! you may never stand upright again and if ya tips over
you could wind up with you head up yur ars!! lmao..... but then SWMBO
say thats where i keep mine most of the time! :-}>
I'd reply to that, except for two reasons. One, that went over my
head. Two, my reply would probably be obscene. Two, my response would
obviously go over your head.. And, I can't remember the other reply.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:19:56 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Tue, Jan 17, 2006, 12:41am (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) doth
>advisith:
>DONT DO THAT!!!!! you may never stand upright again and if ya tips over
>you could wind up with you head up yur ars!! lmao..... but then SWMBO
>say thats where i keep mine most of the time! :-}>
>
> I'd reply to that, except for two reasons. One, that went over my
>head. Two, my reply would probably be obscene. Two, my response would
>obviously go over your head.. And, I can't remember the other reply.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
>Hilary Clinton.
hehehehehehe. i was gonna email it but...... lol.
skeez
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "J T" wrote in message
>
>> Once I figured out the pictures were just upside down, I turned my
>> screen back right-side-up, and printed them out, to look at them -
>> worked much better that way.
>
> Jeeez, all that trouble for nothing ... next time just rotate the printer.
Naw just put the paper in backwards.
Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 11:05pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
now claims:
Naw just put the paper in backwards.
Sure, "now" you tell me. And, after I wasted all that paper. Huh.
I did finally look the pages over. Some good stuff. I'll base my
next planer sled on that. Of course, I will have to make just one or
two very minor changes to it, mostly cosmetic, to make it suitable for
my use. It won't be quite as long, probably not quite as wide, won't
use the bungee cord, wedges, etc. Otherwise, it'll be exactly the same.
Can you imagine it? - I'll actually be working from plans. and following
them. I never thought the day would happen. Amazing. And, you're the
one that made it all possible.
JOAT
If you can't say anything nice about someone, you must be talking about
Hilary Clinton.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mon, Jan 16, 2006, 11:05pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
> now claims:
> Naw just put the paper in backwards.
>
> Sure, "now" you tell me. And, after I wasted all that paper. Huh.
>
> I did finally look the pages over. Some good stuff. I'll base my
> next planer sled on that. Of course, I will have to make just one or
> two very minor changes to it, mostly cosmetic, to make it suitable for
> my use. It won't be quite as long, probably not quite as wide, won't
> use the bungee cord, wedges, etc. Otherwise, it'll be exactly the same.
> Can you imagine it? - I'll actually be working from plans. and following
> them. I never thought the day would happen. Amazing. And, you're the
> one that made it all possible.
If you do a version of this sled I would like to see it. Oddly I changed
very little also on this set of plans. Basically mine is longer and while
contemplating the construction of this sled and after using I have not
thought of any improvements that would make it better and not slow down the
adjustment process. Oh yeah, my planer has 2 rollers on the table under the
cutter head so it was not necessary to put the plastic laminate on the
bottom of the sled. Mine has a wood bottom surface.