Woodpeckers isn't alone.

On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:

I like to keep two cards, one
> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>

My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.

On 2/8/2017 12:38 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/7/2017 11:52 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>>
>>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>>
>>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
>> a 45.
>>
>> The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
>> thickness of the outer veneer.
>>
>> With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is pretty
>> thin.
>>
>> And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application but
>> for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.
>>
>>
>
> I think there is a market, just really small. It's a nice design, well
> thought out, but pricey. And for most of us, a huge luxury that's not
> needed. If we were doing many boxes with wrap around look it could pay.

There are router bits that pretty much do the same thing and with out
the intricate measuring to insure that the box comes out the correct size.

http://www.infinitytools.com/routing/router-bits/carbide/joinery-router-bits/lock-miter-router-bits-3516

And with this Rockler blade the wood grain does not go in the direction
you would want on the ends. Grain on the sides are parallel with the
bottom and top, grain on the ends changes direction 90 degrees.

There are distinct disadvantages to using one piece of wood to make a
box with out cutting it into pieces. Grain direction and larger pieces
to begin with.


>
> As far as thickness, that's up to you , you want to drive the point down
> to just a few thousandths from going through.

And that is a problem with the plywood. Outer veneers differ in
thickness by much more that a few thousands.

>
> I do see this for small shops, that maybe do a run of wine boxes for a
> company, or decorative boxes for whatever.
>
Again, think about the grain direction on all sides.

IMHO this is best suited for mass production of material that has no
grain, like MDF

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:56:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 12/10/2016 3:28 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:43:35 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/10/2016 8:53 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2016-12-10, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.
>>>>
>>>> Prolly there, now, but fer a mere $3.
>>>>
>>>> I bought one of Lee Valley's BPA-free 16oz mugs. Almost $14 w/ cap.
>>>> When I first dragged my new drinking vessel to a local BYOB gathering,
>>>> I was shocked to see at least 3-4 others drinking outta 22oz-36oz mugs
>>>> that looked exactly like my Tervis drinking vessel (exact same cap).
>>>> When I asked each person how much they paid for these
>>>> obiously-larger-than-mine vessels, no one answered any price over $5.
>>>> Boy, was I PO'd. Maybe they weren't BPA-free. ????
>>>>
>>>> When I later got home, I discovered I had already bought a BPA-free
>>>> 16oz mug fer me late mum. Marketed under the name Alladin, it was
>>>> made to look like a Mason jar, was double insultated (like a Tervis),
>>>> had a screw-on cap, and a built-in --yet removable-- straw. $10 at
>>>> Walmart. (sigh)
>>>>
>>>> I'll learn. ;)
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you strive to pay the least for something you may never buy anything.
>>
>> True. If you need(want) something the decision is whether the item is
>> worth the price asked. If it is, buy it. Else...
>>
>>> You can always get something for less than you paid.
>>
>> Sure and it hurts when it's $100 less expensive the next week. I just
>> remember that it was worth what I paid for it (or I wouldn't have).
>>
>
>
>I have a CitiCard Master Card. It pays me 2% for everything that I buy
>and pay for when the bill is generated.

I've been tempted to get that card. I've looked hard at it but I have
enough cards. The best is my Sam's card - pays 5% back on gas and 3%
on travel/vacations. That's pretty much all I use it for. I paid for
half of my Unisaur with cash back from Amex.

>Also it has a price rewind feature that protects your purchase against
>paying too much for 60 days.

There must be limitations but it's a good deal. I doubt that I'd go
out of my way to collect on it, though.
>
>For 2 items I have been credited $80 in the past 18 months.
>
>I bought my son a Ridgid combo drill/impact and Citicards has already
>found the price to be less, $20 less.
>
>So if I see something I want but don't want to drive across town to get
>the best deal the credit card credits me.
>
>I just have to show my receipt, when, and where I bought it. Credit
>shops up about 10 weeks after I make the purchase.
>
>And they remind me that a purchase might be eligible.

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 11:22:33 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

> Now this will make you laugh. My wife made these a year or two ago for
> presents for her sewing friends. They are like litter baskets. ;~)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/29168606644/in/dateposted-public/

Need to hand those out to the young kids... tell them they are for holding/storing the clothes pins.

Sonny

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 6:02:31 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/8/2017 12:38 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2017 11:52 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>>>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
>>>> a 45.
>>>>
>>>> The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
>>>> thickness of the outer veneer.
>>>>
>>>> With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is pretty
>>>> thin.
>>>>
>>>> And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application but
>>>> for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think there is a market, just really small. It's a nice design, well
>>> thought out, but pricey. And for most of us, a huge luxury that's not
>>> needed. If we were doing many boxes with wrap around look it could pay.
>>
>> There are router bits that pretty much do the same thing and with out
>> the intricate measuring to insure that the box comes out the correct size.
>>
>> http://www.infinitytools.com/routing/router-bits/carbide/joinery-router-bits/lock-miter-router-bits-3516
>>
>> And with this Rockler blade the wood grain does not go in the direction
>> you would want on the ends. Grain on the sides are parallel with the
>> bottom and top, grain on the ends changes direction 90 degrees.
>>
>> There are distinct disadvantages to using one piece of wood to make a
>> box with out cutting it into pieces. Grain direction and larger pieces
>> to begin with.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As far as thickness, that's up to you , you want to drive the point down
>>> to just a few thousandths from going through.
>>
>> And that is a problem with the plywood. Outer veneers differ in
>> thickness by much more that a few thousands.
>>
>>>
>>> I do see this for small shops, that maybe do a run of wine boxes for a
>>> company, or decorative boxes for whatever.
>>>
>> Again, think about the grain direction on all sides.
>>
>> IMHO this is best suited for mass production of material that has no
>> grain, like MDF
>
> Real question:
>
> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood veneer would or
> would it snap?
>

It would probably break.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:52:37 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:39:04 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/15/2016 4:26 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> In article <235f359b-0eb4-499b-b9cf-e92bf012e465
> >>> @googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like to keep two cards, one
> >>>>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> >>>>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> >>>>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> >>>>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> >>>>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> >>>>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> >>>>> billing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> >>>>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> >>>>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> >>>>> when possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> >>>> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> >>>> care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
> >>>> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> >>>> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> >>>> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> >>>> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> >>>> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
> >>>
> >>> Or you put the card in, select debit, and the
> >>> machine tells you "please remove card from chip
> >>> slot and swipe".
> >>>
> >>> Or you put the card in and the machine, while it
> >>> has a chip slot, isn't set up to accept chips.
> >>>
> >>> Or you have to insert the card four times before
> >>> it reads the chip successfully.
> >>>
> >>> There's nothing wrong with the chip concept but
> >>> the implementation leaves a great deal to be
> >>> desired.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I ran into almost all of the problems that you mentioned above about a
> >> year ago as it was implemented in the Houston area but it is pretty
> >> stream lined now. It was mostly the stores waiting until the last
> >> minute to update their hardware/software that created the problems.
> >>
> >> Today the chip reader is more reliable than the magnetic swipe.
> >
> > For about a month, my daughter and I were texting pictures back and forth
> > about the various things we saw as the chip readers were rolling out. She
> > also found stuff (tweets and posts) on social media (where I don't play)
> > that she would send to me.
> >
> > Some readers had tape over the reader slot because they weren't ready yet,
> > some had fancy pre-printed cards in the slot telling users to swipe,
> > some had humorous notes taped to them because the vendor found the entire
> > situation somewhat funny.
> >
> > Some examples...
> >
> > https://pics.onsizzle.com/chaz-noire-chase-august-america-has-got-to-get-on-3208945.png
> >
> > http://www.quickmeme.com/img/46/4638fc98f4a51d15aa08c2e13ae1cba2d824c31df8837ff3f74a8bbc814f21d8.jpg
> >
>
> I have witnessed many of those type distractions but that is pretty much
> all gone in the Houston area unless the unit is down, including the
> swipe slot.
>
> I made a purchase at HD today and paid attention to the wait time, 4
> seconds.
> I did however wait until the unit indicated to insert the card. Some
> people insert the card immediately and have to wait until the cashier
> has finished the process. If you count that time plus the 4~7 second
> card read time it will appear to take for ever.

Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
cashier? You could then put the card away and concentrate on loading scanned items into
your cart and whatever you needed to do to be able to walk away as soon as the cashier
was done.

Ahhh...the good old days. ;-)

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:14:33 PM UTC-6, marc rosen wrote:
> > Too bad it's not as nice looking as this "Calavera"
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > https://calaveraswimwear.com/collections/all-products
>
> There swimsuit models are not ugly. No. But they aren't going to win any beauty contests either.

One of them would if they were the only ones in it.

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:52:07 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>
>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>
>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>
>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>>
>
>It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
>a 45.

Can a Domino do that? ;-)
>
>The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
>thickness of the outer veneer.
>
>With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is pretty
>thin.
>
>And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application but
>for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.

I didn't say I was going to buy one! I like my toys but I think I can
pass on that one.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:39:04 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 4:26 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <235f359b-0eb4-499b-b9cf-e92bf012e465
> > @googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> >>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I like to keep two cards, one
> >>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> >>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> >>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> >>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> >>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> >>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> >>> billing.
> >>>
> >>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> >>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> >>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> >>> when possible.
> >>
> >> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> >> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
> >>
> >> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> >> care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
> >> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> >> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> >> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> >> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> >> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
> >
> > Or you put the card in, select debit, and the
> > machine tells you "please remove card from chip
> > slot and swipe".
> >
> > Or you put the card in and the machine, while it
> > has a chip slot, isn't set up to accept chips.
> >
> > Or you have to insert the card four times before
> > it reads the chip successfully.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with the chip concept but
> > the implementation leaves a great deal to be
> > desired.
> >
>
>
> I ran into almost all of the problems that you mentioned above about a
> year ago as it was implemented in the Houston area but it is pretty
> stream lined now. It was mostly the stores waiting until the last
> minute to update their hardware/software that created the problems.
>
> Today the chip reader is more reliable than the magnetic swipe.

For about a month, my daughter and I were texting pictures back and forth
about the various things we saw as the chip readers were rolling out. She
also found stuff (tweets and posts) on social media (where I don't play)
that she would send to me.

Some readers had tape over the reader slot because they weren't ready yet,
some had fancy pre-printed cards in the slot telling users to swipe,
some had humorous notes taped to them because the vendor found the entire
situation somewhat funny.

Some examples...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/chaz-noire-chase-august-america-has-got-to-get-on-3208945.png

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/46/4638fc98f4a51d15aa08c2e13ae1cba2d824c31df8837ff3f74a8bbc814f21d8.jpg

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> > On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
> >
> > I like to keep two cards, one
> >> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
> >>
> >
> > My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> > merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> > is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> > you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> > maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>
>
> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> billing.
>
> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> when possible.

My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)

Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
or fumbles around trying to find the slot.

https://onsizzle.com/i/can-you-put-your-card-in-the-chip-reader-please-1435466

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:37:17 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > So that was *you* I was behind the other day! You made me late for my
> > haircut appointment. Not very late, but late just the same. ;-)
>
>
> Actually was behind someone at the local grocery the other day who
> <gasp> ... wrote out a check!?!
>

Did she wait until the cashier was done before (s)he took the checkbook
out of his/her pocket(book) and *then* start filling it out?

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/9/2017 3:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> > On 2/9/2017 9:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Real question:
> >>>
> >>> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood
> >>> veneer would or
> >>> would it snap?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
> >> Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
> >> high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
> >>
> >> I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
> >> and then snap.
> >
> >
> > So how much was the wine glass flexing?
>
> Looked like about 1/4". Never saw or imagined that could happen. They
> used a high speed camera to show it.
>

Which is akin to why a hot liquid will crack a thick glass faster than
a very thin and delicate glass.

The inner surface of the thick glass begins to expand with the heat but the
outside hasn't heated up yet. Crack!

With a thin glass, the heat is more evenly distributed (and disbursed).

On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>
>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>
>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>
>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>
> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>

It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
a 45.

The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
thickness of the outer veneer.

With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is pretty
thin.

And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application but
for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 9:32:04 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 8:04 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> ...
>
> > I'm talking about swiping the card at the register in e.g. a grocery store.
>
> I couldn't think last time was in a grocery store... -- or any retail
> outlet-type place, actually, for that matter. :)
>

Where do you buy your food and other supplies?


> > Some stores make you wait until the all items have been scanned before you
> > can swipe your card, others let you swipe, enter your pin, etc. at any time
> > and then the "system" waits until the cashier is done to present the total
> > and ask for your acceptance.
> >
> > If all you need to do is tap "Accept" once the cashier is done the overall
> > process has been sped up. I know we are talking about seconds each time,
> > but if there is a long line, the total time savings can actually be minutes
> > once you add up all of those seconds.
>
> I an old-school kinda' guy; the cashier is the cashier, I'm the
> customer. I hand over the card; that's their job, not mine... :)

On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 11:22:17 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 12/8/2016 7:41 PM, krw wrote:
>>
>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>
>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>
>
>
>Not so much an idea, but the same brand and item as what Woodpecker is
>selling.
>
>Now this will make you laugh. My wife made these a year or two ago for
>presents for her sewing friends. They are like litter baskets. ;~)
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/29168606644/in/dateposted-public/

Hmm, too big for a beer koozie.

On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:
> Watta buncha insanely
> overpriced plastic junk!


Some people are addicted to woodworking. Some people are tool collectors.
The intersection of these sets is not large.

I am no pro WWing genius but I've made some sawdust in my day. What
I have discovered in every profession/hobby/pursuit I've ever tried
is that one this seems mostly to be true everywhere:

The better someone is at something, the less stuff they need to do it.

On 2/7/2017 11:52 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>
>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>
>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>>
>
> It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
> a 45.
>
> The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
> thickness of the outer veneer.
>
> With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is pretty
> thin.
>
> And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application but
> for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.
>
>

I think there is a market, just really small. It's a nice design, well
thought out, but pricey. And for most of us, a huge luxury that's not
needed. If we were doing many boxes with wrap around look it could pay.

As far as thickness, that's up to you , you want to drive the point down
to just a few thousandths from going through.

I do see this for small shops, that maybe do a run of wine boxes for a
company, or decorative boxes for whatever.

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Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>
>> I learned long ago the easiest way to open jars like this is to run
>> hot water over the lid for a few seconds. Seems to work 100% of the
>> time.
>>
>
> Works well on previously opened jars but I found it less so on new.
> The trick is to release the vacuum.

Don't you guys just chuck it up in the lathe and part the cap off? If you
spin it fast enough, the contents won't spill out.

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Jack <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

>
> I use earphones every day, specifically Sony MDR-G45LP behind the head
> model, and I keep an extra pair for when one breaks. The last pair I
> bought was $13 on Amazon in 2012. I broke the old ones and went to
> Amazon to get another set. They were $27 plus shipping. I looked
> around a bit, and same prices came up. I didn't buy them because I
> though the doubling of price seemed wrong. Few weeks later I did a
> more thorough search and found them on line at Walmart for $14 and
> free shipping. Much more like it, so I bought 2, just in case.
>
> You might always be able to get something for less than you paid, but
> it's even more likely to pay way too much for something, especially at
> Amazon. You really need to be careful buying from Amazon, they are
> sneaky bastards...
>

camelcamelcamel.com

Pricing games are rampant on Amazon. It's not just Amazon doing it.
Camel Camel Camel gives you a price history and monitors prices, sending
you an email if you request it. I think they make their money from
Amazon referral links, so haven't bothered me with annoying e-mails.

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On 12/14/2016 11:00 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>> I like to keep two cards, one
>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>>
>>
>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>
>
> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> billing.
>
> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> when possible.

I also make use of Citi's virtual account numbers. My understanding is
that you may

1) use them ONLY for online purchases,

2) you set a maximum amount that can be charged on that number, and

3) set a specific expiration date.

I have used them for one-off purchases where I wish to avoid the
"automatic renewals" and I have also used them for recurring payments on
a monthly basis for 3 or 4 months.

It works exactly as I want it to. I only wish other card issuers would
get on the bandwagon and offer it as well.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:10:51 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>
>> I really did not care for that, committing personal information
>> before knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the
>> total before starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery
>> store had that feature.
>
> So that was *you* I was behind the other day! You made me late for my
> haircut appointment. Not very late, but late just the same. ;-)
>

So now we know what Leon likes to do. He builds beds and makes people
late! *g*

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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I can't imagine paying someone to trim my beard.
> It just never occurred to me to do such a thing.
>

It usually takes me 3-4 days to trim mine... So I could see paying someone
to do it. It's not continuous days, mind you, it's more like 3-4 showers.
I try to get the long bits, some hide then I gotta go after them again the
next day.

One of the things I like about the beard is the reduced maintenance.
Shaving... what a fool's errand!

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On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 1:58:59 PM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
> On 12/10/2016 12:13 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/9/2016 4:59 PM, notbob wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Others are excellent at selling drooling fools "insanely overpriced
> >> plastic junk". Case in point:
> >>
> >> http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=74055&cat=53
> >>
> >> I've bought a few things from Lee Valley. I'll most likely buy a few
> >> more things. But, I'm no chump and will not pay $10 fer something I
> >> can probably make out of a wad of chewing gum. ;)
> >>
> >> nb
> >>
> >
> > Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.
> >
> > A few years ago I bought a few jar openers. Liked them so much I bought
> > some to give to friends. Went back for more and the price jumped up too
> > high
> > http://www.leevalley.com/US/garden/page.aspx?p=44271&cat=2,40733,40734
> > I'd gladly pay about $4 for it, but $9.95 is too much for a piece of
> > bent metal.
>
> I learned long ago the easiest way to open jars like this is to run hot
> water over the lid for a few seconds. Seems to work 100% of the time.
>

I learned a long time ago that the easiest way to open a jar is to turn it over and slap the
bottom hard enough to hear a "crack". Most of the pressure will have been released and
the top will spin off with relative ease.

I learned that from a bartender in Germany while serving in the USCG. SWMBO will hand
me a jar that she can't open, I'll slap it and hand it back. She opens it right up.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:24:04 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 5:26 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> ...
>
> > Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
> > cashier? ...
>
> No, I can't say as I do. I never have had a transaction like that other
> than at a self-serve gas pump.

Maybe you never looked...just assumed you couldn't swipe early? (Just asking...not trying to
offend)

Lots of the stores I go to allow it. As an example, the major grocery store chain in my area
lets you swipe your store card (or enter your phone number) then choose your payment
method, swipe your card, select a cash back option, etc. all while the cashier is scanning
your order. That sure saves time, especially when there a slow customer at the machine.

On 12/14/2016 1:22 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> I like to keep two cards, one
>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
>> billing.
>>
>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
>> when possible.
>
> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
>
> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
>
> https://onsizzle.com/i/can-you-put-your-card-in-the-chip-reader-please-1435466
>

In europe the chip requires a pin to unlock it. The pin is a decryption
to the card, b4 anything is done. I don't know if it then generates a
virtual id.

--
Jeff

On 12/11/2016 1:58 PM, Jack wrote:

>>
>> A few years ago I bought a few jar openers. Liked them so much I bought
>> some to give to friends. Went back for more and the price jumped up too
>> high
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/garden/page.aspx?p=44271&cat=2,40733,40734
>> I'd gladly pay about $4 for it, but $9.95 is too much for a piece of
>> bent metal.
>
> I learned long ago the easiest way to open jars like this is to run hot
> water over the lid for a few seconds. Seems to work 100% of the time.
>

Works well on previously opened jars but I found it less so on new. The
trick is to release the vacuum.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:14:30 -0800 (PST), marc rosen <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Too bad it's not as nice looking as this "Calavera"
> Marc
>
>
>
>https://calaveraswimwear.com/collections/all-products

Different species of wood.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 7:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:24:04 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> >> On 12/15/2016 5:26 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
> >>> cashier? ...
> >>
> >> No, I can't say as I do. I never have had a transaction like that other
> >> than at a self-serve gas pump.
> >
> > Maybe you never looked...just assumed you couldn't swipe early? (Just asking...not trying to
> > offend)
> >
> > Lots of the stores I go to allow it. As an example, the major grocery store chain in my area
> > lets you swipe your store card (or enter your phone number) then choose your payment
> > method, swipe your card, select a cash back option, etc. all while the cashier is scanning
> > your order. That sure saves time, especially when there a slow customer at the machine.
>
> They're the clerk, not I... :)
>
> I trade at very few places that don't just have open accounts; I'm just
> not much adept at it I guess...

I have no idea what that means..

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 3:59:24 PM UTC-6, notbob wrote:

> Others are excellent at selling drooling fools "insanely overpriced
> plastic junk". Case in point:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=74055&cat=53
>
> I've bought a few things from Lee Valley. I'll most likely buy a few
> more things. But, I'm no chump and will not pay $10 fer something I
> can probably make out of a wad of chewing gum. ;)
>
> nb

Colored cable holders! Spray paint some clothes pins and hot glue them to the "cabinet".

In some cases, I've used clothes pins as small wood clamps.

Sonny

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 3:33:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 2/9/2017 9:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Real question:
> >>
> >> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood
> >> veneer would or
> >> would it snap?
> >>
> >
> > Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
> > Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
> > high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
> >
> > I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
> > and then snap.
>=20
>=20
> So how much was the wine glass flexing?

My guess is that it wasn't 90=C2=B0. ;-)

Too bad it's not as nice looking as this "Calavera"
Marc



https://calaveraswimwear.com/collections/all-products

On 12/15/2016 4:26 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <235f359b-0eb4-499b-b9cf-e92bf012e465
> @googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I like to keep two cards, one
>>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
>>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
>>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
>>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
>>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
>>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
>>> billing.
>>>
>>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
>>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
>>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
>>> when possible.
>>
>> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
>> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
>>
>> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
>> care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
>> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
>> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
>> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
>> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
>> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
>
> Or you put the card in, select debit, and the
> machine tells you "please remove card from chip
> slot and swipe".
>
> Or you put the card in and the machine, while it
> has a chip slot, isn't set up to accept chips.
>
> Or you have to insert the card four times before
> it reads the chip successfully.
>
> There's nothing wrong with the chip concept but
> the implementation leaves a great deal to be
> desired.
>


I ran into almost all of the problems that you mentioned above about a
year ago as it was implemented in the Houston area but it is pretty
stream lined now. It was mostly the stores waiting until the last
minute to update their hardware/software that created the problems.

Today the chip reader is more reliable than the magnetic swipe.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> writes:
>On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:04:51 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>> On 12/17/2016 5:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:37:17 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> > Did she wait until the cashier was done before (s)he took the checkbook
>> > out of his/her pocket(book) and *then* start filling it out?
>>
>> And if did? Are you really in _that_ much of a hurry. Chill, dood!
>
>Right back at 'cha, dude.
>
>It was a joke.

On usenet, nobody can hear you laugh.

On 2/9/2017 3:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/9/2017 9:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Real question:
>>>
>>> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood
>>> veneer would or
>>> would it snap?
>>>
>>
>> Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
>> Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
>> high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
>>
>> I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
>> and then snap.
>
>
> So how much was the wine glass flexing?

Looked like about 1/4". Never saw or imagined that could happen. They
used a high speed camera to show it.

Other things that looked nifty was a bubble filled with smoke bursting.
Looks like a wrapper coming off it.

On 2/8/2017 12:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:52:07 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>>
>>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>>
>>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>>
>>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and bend
>> a 45.
>
> Can a Domino do that? ;-)

No, nor would I want it to do that, or anything else that has you
bending wood to make a 45.

On 12/14/2016 8:06 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:30:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/14/2016 12:22 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to keep two cards, one
>>>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
>>>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
>>>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
>>>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
>>>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
>>>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
>>>> billing.
>>>>
>>>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
>>>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
>>>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
>>>> when possible.
>>>
>>> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
>>> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
>>
>> Well actually all of them have commented that they were no longer going
>> to swipe their cards any more.
>
> I am not given the choice, at least not with my chipped debit card. If the
> chip scanner is available, I have to use it. If I scan it, the machine tells
> me to insert it.
>
>>
>>> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
>>> care about is that the transaction takes longer.
>>
>> Seriously about 5~7 seconds longer. They apologize to me.
>
> Right, they are being nice. They don't like the extra wait and they don't
> like having to apologize especially since it's not their fault. Sure, it's
> only 5-7 seconds, but it's 5-7 seconds hundreds of times a day for them.

So what 10`15 minutes extra a day? And it is not like the cashiers are
getting a omission.

I takes much much longer on almost every customer to get the correct
pricing in a basket full of goods that do not all scan properly. I
believe the opposite of what you believe.

>
> Imagine if your Domino tool suddenly started taking longer than it used to,
> after years of you having developed the muscle and brain memory of how long
> that part of your building process takes.

Thinking about that, probably not an issue compared to going the old way
with a bench top mortiser.


>
> Ill bet you wouldn't like it.

I really do not know but I do know that if I am at a grocery store I
don't notice the extra time it takes for the 10 customers ahead of me to
go with the chip vs. swipe. More often than not I see them swipe
numerous times and eventually the cashier manually inputs the number.
Or let some one write a check....

On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

>
> Real question:
>
> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood veneer would or
> would it snap?
>

Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.

I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
and then snap.

On 12/10/2016 11:50 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> If you strive to pay the least for something you may never buy
>> anything. You can always get something for less than you paid.
>
> I've learned in a few cases that I should be buying at Walmart instead
> of Lowes. 20-30% price difference on the same garbage bags for instance.

Typically Lowe's, Home Depot and the like are convenient not
competitively priced.

About 10 years go my local ACE hardware store challenged me to find
something that they and the local Home Depot stocked where Home Depot
was less expensive. This is not always true but you have to shop to get
the lowest price.

On 12/9/2016 3:13 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:
>> Watta buncha insanely
>> overpriced plastic junk!
>
>
> Some people are addicted to woodworking. Some people are tool collectors.
> The intersection of these sets is not large.
>
> I am no pro WWing genius but I've made some sawdust in my day. What
> I have discovered in every profession/hobby/pursuit I've ever tried
> is that one this seems mostly to be true everywhere:
>
> The better someone is at something, the less stuff they need to do it.
>
>
+1

--
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On 12/10/2016 5:45 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:56:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2016 3:28 PM, krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:43:35 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2016 8:53 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-12-10, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prolly there, now, but fer a mere $3.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought one of Lee Valley's BPA-free 16oz mugs. Almost $14 w/ cap.
>>>>> When I first dragged my new drinking vessel to a local BYOB gathering,
>>>>> I was shocked to see at least 3-4 others drinking outta 22oz-36oz mugs
>>>>> that looked exactly like my Tervis drinking vessel (exact same cap).
>>>>> When I asked each person how much they paid for these
>>>>> obiously-larger-than-mine vessels, no one answered any price over $5.
>>>>> Boy, was I PO'd. Maybe they weren't BPA-free. ????
>>>>>
>>>>> When I later got home, I discovered I had already bought a BPA-free
>>>>> 16oz mug fer me late mum. Marketed under the name Alladin, it was
>>>>> made to look like a Mason jar, was double insultated (like a Tervis),
>>>>> had a screw-on cap, and a built-in --yet removable-- straw. $10 at
>>>>> Walmart. (sigh)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll learn. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you strive to pay the least for something you may never buy anything.
>>>
>>> True. If you need(want) something the decision is whether the item is
>>> worth the price asked. If it is, buy it. Else...
>>>
>>>> You can always get something for less than you paid.
>>>
>>> Sure and it hurts when it's $100 less expensive the next week. I just
>>> remember that it was worth what I paid for it (or I wouldn't have).
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a CitiCard Master Card. It pays me 2% for everything that I buy
>> and pay for when the bill is generated.
>
> I've been tempted to get that card. I've looked hard at it but I have
> enough cards. The best is my Sam's card - pays 5% back on gas and 3%
> on travel/vacations. That's pretty much all I use it for. I paid for
> half of my Unisaur with cash back from Amex.

We also have Discover that pays 1% and 5% on some things that change
quarterly. BUT the catch with most 5% programs is that they are limited
to about $1500 per quarter or $45 back per quarter. We pay everything
that we can on CC and pay that card off each month with out fail. This
year the Citicard has averaged $70 per month in just cash back in
purchases.. We let the amount accumulate to help pay for Christmas,
year end property taxes, and insurance.




>
>> Also it has a price rewind feature that protects your purchase against
>> paying too much for 60 days.
>
> There must be limitations but it's a good deal. I doubt that I'd go
> out of my way to collect on it, though.

You really don't have to do any thing to collect except up load a scan
of your receipt. The CC company catches half of the purchases that I
make that qualify, those that I miss. That upload is all the paperwork
that you need.

On 12/14/2016 12:22 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> I like to keep two cards, one
>>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
>>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
>>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
>>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
>>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
>> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
>> billing.
>>
>> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
>> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
>> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
>> when possible.
>
> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)

Well actually all of them have commented that they were no longer going
to swipe their cards any more.

> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> care about is that the transaction takes longer.

Seriously about 5~7 seconds longer. They apologize to me.

They just want their
> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
>
> https://onsizzle.com/i/can-you-put-your-card-in-the-chip-reader-please-1435466
>

In article <235f359b-0eb4-499b-b9cf-e92bf012e465
@googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> > > On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
> > >
> > > I like to keep two cards, one
> > >> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
> > >>
> > >
> > > My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> > > merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> > > is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> > > you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> > > maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> > purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> > billing.
> >
> > But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> > chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> > number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> > when possible.
>
> My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
>
> Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> care about is that the transaction takes longer. They just want their
> line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> or fumbles around trying to find the slot.

Or you put the card in, select debit, and the
machine tells you "please remove card from chip
slot and swipe".

Or you put the card in and the machine, while it
has a chip slot, isn't set up to accept chips.

Or you have to insert the card four times before
it reads the chip successfully.

There's nothing wrong with the chip concept but
the implementation leaves a great deal to be
desired.

In article <f58d5a3e-22ac-407f-9ee6-
[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:10:51 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> > On 12/15/2016 5:26 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:52:37 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >
> > >> I have witnessed many of those type distractions but that is pretty much
> > >> all gone in the Houston area unless the unit is down, including the
> > >> swipe slot.
> > >>
> > >> I made a purchase at HD today and paid attention to the wait time, 4
> > >> seconds.
> > >> I did however wait until the unit indicated to insert the card. Some
> > >> people insert the card immediately and have to wait until the cashier
> > >> has finished the process. If you count that time plus the 4~7 second
> > >> card read time it will appear to take for ever.
> > >
> > > Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
> > > cashier? You could then put the card away and concentrate on loading scanned items into
> > > your cart and whatever you needed to do to be able to walk away as soon as the cashier
> > > was done.
> > >
> > > Ahhh...the good old days. ;-)
> > >
> >
> >
> > I really did not care for that, committing personal information before
> > knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the total before
> > starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery store had that
> > feature.
>
> So that was *you* I was behind the other day! You made me late for my
> haircut appointment. Not very late, but late just the same. ;-)

Haircut appointment? I've never made an
appointment with a barber in my life and if
anybody ever asked me to I'd take my business
elsewhere. I guess I'm old-fashioned--barbers
are first come first served.

Of course after the last guy didn't know what a
"buzz cut" was I started doing my own.

In article <bf95c493-39bb-4887-8418-8bca49079d77
@googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 6:56:00 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-12-18, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Haircut appointment? I've never made an
> > > appointment with a barber in my life and if
> > > anybody ever asked me to I'd take my business
> > > elsewhere. I guess I'm old-fashioned--barbers
> > > are first come first served.
> >
> > They're also a buncha assholes and liars.
> >
> > I went to 6 different barbers in our town to have my beard trimmed.
> > All gave me some bullshit excuse of why they no longer did beards. I
> > finally had to have my beard done by a lady in a hair salon.
> >
>
> Did you have to make an appointment? ;-)

I can't imagine paying someone to trim my beard.
It just never occurred to me to do such a thing.

On 12/9/2016 2:13 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:
>> Watta buncha insanely
>> overpriced plastic junk!
>
>
> Some people are addicted to woodworking. Some people are tool collectors.
> The intersection of these sets is not large.
>
> I am no pro WWing genius but I've made some sawdust in my day. What
> I have discovered in every profession/hobby/pursuit I've ever tried
> is that one this seems mostly to be true everywhere:
>
> The better someone is at something, the less stuff they need to do it.
>
>


That statement is probably true but the person that is good at something
rarely does so with out a lot of experimentation on the best ways and
tools to use.

On 2/9/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/9/2017 3:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/9/2017 9:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Real question:
>>>>
>>>> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood
>>>> veneer would or
>>>> would it snap?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
>>> Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
>>> high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
>>>
>>> I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
>>> and then snap.
>>
>>
>> So how much was the wine glass flexing?
>
> Looked like about 1/4". Never saw or imagined that could happen. They
> used a high speed camera to show it.

WOW that is a lot. I suspect that the wave lessened stress in the parts
that needed to bend.



>
> Other things that looked nifty was a bubble filled with smoke bursting.
> Looks like a wrapper coming off it.


;~)

I always like watching liquids drip.

On 2/9/2017 4:32 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>
>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>
>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>
>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>
> Yep, he's the same guy that 'invented' (cough) that down-force clamp thingy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-yPAQu4I0
>


Oh yeah... the invention to overcome the lack of experience.. ;~)

On 2/9/2017 5:11 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/9/17 4:32 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>>>>
>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
>>
>> Yep, he's the same guy that 'invented' (cough) that down-force clamp
>> thingy.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-yPAQu4I0
>>
>
> Pretty cool idea. Not sure why you scoff at him inventing it.
>
>
It is not necessary. Experience helps over come the situation he is
trying to avoid.

On 12/16/2016 10:10 AM, Leon wrote:

> I really did not care for that, committing personal information before
> knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the total before
> starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery store had that
> feature.

I understand your reasoning but I never had a problem with it.

Got a text one morning from my CC company. They asked about a charge.
While on the phone I went on line to check my account. Not only was the
charge in question fraud, but so was the Smashburger $49 charge the day
before. Took only a couple of minutes and now I have a new card.

On 12/8/2016 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:14:33 PM UTC-6, marc rosen wrote:
>> Too bad it's not as nice looking as this "Calavera"
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> https://calaveraswimwear.com/collections/all-products
>
> There swimsuit models are not ugly. No. But they aren't going to win any beauty contests either.

That's OK ... #factoryairlivesmatter.

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On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> I like to keep two cards, one
>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
>>
>
> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.


Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
billing.

But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
when possible.

On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
>>
>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=calavera&trk_msg=TEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=KQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=New+Calavera+Organization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
>
> . . . add Rockler to the list.
>
> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
>
> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
>
>


A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockler.
Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)

On 12/16/2016 8:31 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 8:04 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> ...
>
>> I'm talking about swiping the card at the register in e.g. a grocery
>> store.
>
> I couldn't think last time was in a grocery store... -- or any retail
> outlet-type place, actually, for that matter. :)
>
>> Some stores make you wait until the all items have been scanned before
>> you
>> can swipe your card, others let you swipe, enter your pin, etc. at any
>> time
>> and then the "system" waits until the cashier is done to present the
>> total
>> and ask for your acceptance.
>>
>> If all you need to do is tap "Accept" once the cashier is done the
>> overall
>> process has been sped up. I know we are talking about seconds each time,
>> but if there is a long line, the total time savings can actually be
>> minutes
>> once you add up all of those seconds.
>
> I an old-school kinda' guy; the cashier is the cashier, I'm the
> customer. I hand over the card; that's their job, not mine... :)
>


I'm old fashioned too. I don't like sharing information and account
numbers until I am satisfied with the total. Don't like the total?,
walk out. Otherwise you would want to stick around to be sure the
collected information is voided/dumped/ or what ever they would do.

On 12/15/2016 5:26 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:52:37 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

>> I have witnessed many of those type distractions but that is pretty much
>> all gone in the Houston area unless the unit is down, including the
>> swipe slot.
>>
>> I made a purchase at HD today and paid attention to the wait time, 4
>> seconds.
>> I did however wait until the unit indicated to insert the card. Some
>> people insert the card immediately and have to wait until the cashier
>> has finished the process. If you count that time plus the 4~7 second
>> card read time it will appear to take for ever.
>
> Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
> cashier? You could then put the card away and concentrate on loading scanned items into
> your cart and whatever you needed to do to be able to walk away as soon as the cashier
> was done.
>
> Ahhh...the good old days. ;-)
>


I really did not care for that, committing personal information before
knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the total before
starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery store had that
feature.

On 12/12/2016 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 12/11/2016 12:52 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2016 6:58 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-12-09, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>> Watta buncha insanely overpriced plastic junk!
>>>>>> Some people are addicted to woodworking.
>>>>> Others are excellent at selling drooling fools "insanely overpriced
>>>>> plastic junk". Case in point:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=74055&cat=53
>>>>>
>>>>> I've bought a few things from Lee Valley. I'll most likely buy a few
>>>>> more things. But, I'm no chump and will not pay $10 fer something I
>>>>> can probably make out of a wad of chewing gum. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I bought something similar at Office Depot once to get some internet
>>>> cable off of the floor. The price seemed "marked-up" to me too, but it
>>>> was a good and fast solution to a problem. The one's I bought were in
>>>> the "easily-removable" category. If I need 100 of them I might
>>>> consider
>>>> the matter differently than if I needed only 6. My time is worth
>>>> something too... "You have to choose your battles..." : )
>>>
>>> I needed something similar to keep my Cell phone charging cord on top of
>>> my table, and I used a paper clip, like this:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prG3qWjp4Nk
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have been using this cable for charging my phone. I was attracted
>> because of the length available but the sliding knotted ball keeps the
>> cable on table tops when not in use. A little pricey but nice.
>>
>> http://www.nativeunion.com/products/cables/
>
> About 1/3 a roll of electrician's tape would make a dandy knot like that...
>
But not make the cable 6' long.

On 12/10/2016 3:28 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:43:35 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2016 8:53 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-12-10, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.
>>>
>>> Prolly there, now, but fer a mere $3.
>>>
>>> I bought one of Lee Valley's BPA-free 16oz mugs. Almost $14 w/ cap.
>>> When I first dragged my new drinking vessel to a local BYOB gathering,
>>> I was shocked to see at least 3-4 others drinking outta 22oz-36oz mugs
>>> that looked exactly like my Tervis drinking vessel (exact same cap).
>>> When I asked each person how much they paid for these
>>> obiously-larger-than-mine vessels, no one answered any price over $5.
>>> Boy, was I PO'd. Maybe they weren't BPA-free. ????
>>>
>>> When I later got home, I discovered I had already bought a BPA-free
>>> 16oz mug fer me late mum. Marketed under the name Alladin, it was
>>> made to look like a Mason jar, was double insultated (like a Tervis),
>>> had a screw-on cap, and a built-in --yet removable-- straw. $10 at
>>> Walmart. (sigh)
>>>
>>> I'll learn. ;)
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you strive to pay the least for something you may never buy anything.
>
> True. If you need(want) something the decision is whether the item is
> worth the price asked. If it is, buy it. Else...
>
>> You can always get something for less than you paid.
>
> Sure and it hurts when it's $100 less expensive the next week. I just
> remember that it was worth what I paid for it (or I wouldn't have).
>


I have a CitiCard Master Card. It pays me 2% for everything that I buy
and pay for when the bill is generated.
Also it has a price rewind feature that protects your purchase against
paying too much for 60 days.

For 2 items I have been credited $80 in the past 18 months.

I bought my son a Ridgid combo drill/impact and Citicards has already
found the price to be less, $20 less.

So if I see something I want but don't want to drive across town to get
the best deal the credit card credits me.

I just have to show my receipt, when, and where I bought it. Credit
shops up about 10 weeks after I make the purchase.

And they remind me that a purchase might be eligible.

On 12/16/2016 6:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/16/2016 10:10 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> I really did not care for that, committing personal information before
>> knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the total before
>> starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery store had that
>> feature.
>
> I understand your reasoning but I never had a problem with it.
>
> Got a text one morning from my CC company. They asked about a charge.
> While on the phone I went on line to check my account. Not only was the
> charge in question fraud, but so was the Smashburger $49 charge the day
> before. Took only a couple of minutes and now I have a new card.


I have not had a problem either but I would rather waste 4~7 seconds
after reviewing the total to run the card than to have to hope the total
gets corrected or voided correctly. Credits typically take a few days
to show up on my CC's

You are still in complete control of what goes on your card until you
swipe or scan it.

FWIW I have a $35 limit on all of my credit cards. Every time I have a
charge for more than $35 I pretty much immediately get a text indicating
the amount and to who. I also get a daily balance from the CC bank.

A couple of months ago I caught a $500+ charge and an even dollar amount
to Costco. I immediately called and reported the charges to the bank
and then called the store. The even dollar amount was to open an
account and the larger amount was to purchase a Dyson vac. The rep with
Costco was most happy to have that reported so quickly. There was no
chance of them loosing any more to that perp using that account.

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 8:04:51 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 12/17/2016 5:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:37:17 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> ...
>
> > Did she wait until the cashier was done before (s)he took the checkbook
> > out of his/her pocket(book) and *then* start filling it out?
>
> And if did? Are you really in _that_ much of a hurry. Chill, dood!

Right back at 'cha, dude.

It was a joke.

https://img0.etsystatic.com/049/0/7505282/il_570xN.710991464_tkbw.jpg

On 2/9/2017 9:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>>
>> Real question:
>>
>> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood
>> veneer would or
>> would it snap?
>>
>
> Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
> Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
> high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
>
> I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
> and then snap.


So how much was the wine glass flexing?

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 6:56:00 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-18, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Haircut appointment? I've never made an
> > appointment with a barber in my life and if
> > anybody ever asked me to I'd take my business
> > elsewhere. I guess I'm old-fashioned--barbers
> > are first come first served.
>
> They're also a buncha assholes and liars.
>
> I went to 6 different barbers in our town to have my beard trimmed.
> All gave me some bullshit excuse of why they no longer did beards. I
> finally had to have my beard done by a lady in a hair salon.
>

Did you have to make an appointment? ;-)

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 6:02:31 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 2/8/2017 12:38 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> > On 2/7/2017 11:52 PM, Leon wrote:
> >> On 2/7/2017 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 16:44:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote=
:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/7/2017 4:37 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=3Dcalavera&trk_msg=
=3DTEUOO45PFHSK90AU4J0U4N4BN0&trk_contact=3DKQTSG16SEK63VR876LV4HQS4NS&utm_=
source=3DListrak&utm_medium=3DEmail&utm_term=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.toolnut.com=
%2fcatalogsearch%2fresult%2f%3fq%3dcalavera&utm_campaign=3DNew+Calavera+Org=
anization+Solution+Breaks+the+Mold>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> . . . add Rockler to the list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Video from a discussion of solutions to problems that
> >>>>> don't exist, posted here a couple of years ago?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS074ke-EJ6U
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A young guy on YouTube invented that and apparently sold it to Rockl=
er.
> >>>> Seems way too complicated to cut a 45. ;~)
> >>>
> >>> But it's cheaper than a Domino. ;-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> It cannot do what a domino can, it basically enables you to cut and be=
nd
> >> a 45.
> >>
> >> The quality of the bend will depend greatly on the flexibility and
> >> thickness of the outer veneer.
> >>
> >> With cabinet grade plywoods the thickness of the outer veneer is prett=
y
> >> thin.
> >>
> >> And $375.00 I can see it in a high production or factory application b=
ut
> >> for the typical Rockler customer..... I don't know.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I think there is a market, just really small. It's a nice design, well
> > thought out, but pricey. And for most of us, a huge luxury that's not
> > needed. If we were doing many boxes with wrap around look it could pay=
.
>=20
> There are router bits that pretty much do the same thing and with out=20
> the intricate measuring to insure that the box comes out the correct size=
.
>=20
> http://www.infinitytools.com/routing/router-bits/carbide/joinery-router-b=
its/lock-miter-router-bits-3516
>=20
> And with this Rockler blade the wood grain does not go in the direction=
=20
> you would want on the ends. Grain on the sides are parallel with the=20
> bottom and top, grain on the ends changes direction 90 degrees.
>=20
> There are distinct disadvantages to using one piece of wood to make a=20
> box with out cutting it into pieces. Grain direction and larger pieces=
=20
> to begin with.
>=20
>=20
> >
> > As far as thickness, that's up to you , you want to drive the point dow=
n
> > to just a few thousandths from going through.
>=20
> And that is a problem with the plywood. Outer veneers differ in=20
> thickness by much more that a few thousands.
>=20
> >
> > I do see this for small shops, that maybe do a run of wine boxes for a
> > company, or decorative boxes for whatever.
> >
> Again, think about the grain direction on all sides.
>=20
> IMHO this is best suited for mass production of material that has no=20
> grain, like MDF

Real question:

If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood vene=
er would or
would it snap?

On 12/10/2016 8:53 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-12-10, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.
>
> Prolly there, now, but fer a mere $3.
>
> I bought one of Lee Valley's BPA-free 16oz mugs. Almost $14 w/ cap.
> When I first dragged my new drinking vessel to a local BYOB gathering,
> I was shocked to see at least 3-4 others drinking outta 22oz-36oz mugs
> that looked exactly like my Tervis drinking vessel (exact same cap).
> When I asked each person how much they paid for these
> obiously-larger-than-mine vessels, no one answered any price over $5.
> Boy, was I PO'd. Maybe they weren't BPA-free. ????
>
> When I later got home, I discovered I had already bought a BPA-free
> 16oz mug fer me late mum. Marketed under the name Alladin, it was
> made to look like a Mason jar, was double insultated (like a Tervis),
> had a screw-on cap, and a built-in --yet removable-- straw. $10 at
> Walmart. (sigh)
>
> I'll learn. ;)
>
> nb
>


If you strive to pay the least for something you may never buy anything.
You can always get something for less than you paid.

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:35:34 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 9:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> ...
>
> >> I trade at very few places that don't just have open accounts; I'm just
> >> not much adept at it I guess...
> >
> > I have no idea what that means..
>
> On account, just sign and get bill at end of the month...I don't know of
> your "tricks of the trade" to try to somehow speed up a process w/
> plastic...

I'm talking about swiping the card at the register in e.g. a grocery store.

Some stores make you wait until the all items have been scanned before you
can swipe your card, others let you swipe, enter your pin, etc. at any time
and then the "system" waits until the cashier is done to present the total
and ask for your acceptance.

If all you need to do is tap "Accept" once the cashier is done the overall
process has been sped up. I know we are talking about seconds each time,
but if there is a long line, the total time savings can actually be minutes
once you add up all of those seconds.

Obviously a pittance in the grand scheme of things...

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 10:16:00 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:21:11 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 2/9/2017 7:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Real question:
> >>
> >> If the MDF was reduced to a few thousands, would it bend like the wood veneer would or
> >> would it snap?
> >>
> >
> >Last night I was watching an episode of Street Science (series on
> >Science Channel). They had slow motion of a wine glass flexing under
> >high frequency. Things we think of as solid can flex.
>
> You mean, like, springs? ;-)
> >
> >I would think it would have some flex, but not as much as wood veneer
> >and then snap.
>
> This should be pretty easy to test.

When you are done, please upload the video to YouTube. Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:30:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/14/2016 12:22 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:00:26 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 12/14/2016 10:44 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> >>> On 12/13/2016 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I like to keep two cards, one
> >>>> for in person stuff, and one for online stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> My Citi MasterCard offers "Virtual Account numbers", usable at one
> >>> merchant, that are billed to your main account. The virtual card number
> >>> is void elsewhere. You set the limits on valid dates and amount when
> >>> you request the number online. Perfect for online purchases. I still
> >>> maintain a Visa card, just as a backup.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I use the virtual number for one time
> >> purchases on line. I do not think it will work on reoccurring automatic
> >> billing.
> >>
> >> But the cards with the new chips do this too. Cashiers don't like the
> >> chip scanner until I explain that it is generating a unique virtual
> >> number that cannot be reused. So use the chip scan vs the slide scan
> >> when possible.
> >
> > My guess is that they still don't like it even after you tell them why. I'll
> > bet they are just being nice to you. ;-)
>
> Well actually all of them have commented that they were no longer going
> to swipe their cards any more.

I am not given the choice, at least not with my chipped debit card. If the
chip scanner is available, I have to use it. If I scan it, the machine tells
me to insert it.

>
> > Why should they care if it is generating a unique virtual number? All they
> > care about is that the transaction takes longer.
>
> Seriously about 5~7 seconds longer. They apologize to me.

Right, they are being nice. They don't like the extra wait and they don't
like having to apologize especially since it's not their fault. Sure, it's
only 5-7 seconds, but it's 5-7 seconds hundreds of times a day for them.

Imagine if your Domino tool suddenly started taking longer than it used to,
after years of you having developed the muscle and brain memory of how long
that part of your building process takes.

Ill bet you wouldn't like it.

>
> They just want their
> > line to keep moving and the chip scanner slows them down. It's slower
> > even if the person using chip scanner knows what they are doing. It gets
> > even worse when the user swipes the card 4 times before realizing it needs
> > to be inserted or inserts the card the wrong way or pulls it out too soon
> > or fumbles around trying to find the slot.
> >
> > https://onsizzle.com/i/can-you-put-your-card-in-the-chip-reader-please-1435466
> >

On 2016-12-09, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> Seems Woodpeckers isn't the only one selling a dumb idea.

C'mon ....you ppl love this crap. I can tell by this newsgroup's love
of Lee Valley Tools.

Yes, I've bought some woodworking tools from Lee Valley, but I also
recently received their Christmas gift catalog. Watta buncha insanely
overpriced plastic junk!

It's embarrassing, really. 8|

nb

On 2016-12-09, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:

>> Watta buncha insanely overpriced plastic junk!

> Some people are addicted to woodworking.

Others are excellent at selling drooling fools "insanely overpriced
plastic junk". Case in point:

http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=74055&cat=53

I've bought a few things from Lee Valley. I'll most likely buy a few
more things. But, I'm no chump and will not pay $10 fer something I
can probably make out of a wad of chewing gum. ;)

nb

On 2016-12-10, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wait a few weeks and you may find them at the Dollar store.

Prolly there, now, but fer a mere $3.

I bought one of Lee Valley's BPA-free 16oz mugs. Almost $14 w/ cap.
When I first dragged my new drinking vessel to a local BYOB gathering,
I was shocked to see at least 3-4 others drinking outta 22oz-36oz mugs
that looked exactly like my Tervis drinking vessel (exact same cap).
When I asked each person how much they paid for these
obiously-larger-than-mine vessels, no one answered any price over $5.
Boy, was I PO'd. Maybe they weren't BPA-free. ????

When I later got home, I discovered I had already bought a BPA-free
16oz mug fer me late mum. Marketed under the name Alladin, it was
made to look like a Mason jar, was double insultated (like a Tervis),
had a screw-on cap, and a built-in --yet removable-- straw. $10 at
Walmart. (sigh)

I'll learn. ;)

nb

On 2016-12-11, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

> I learned long ago the easiest way to open jars like this is to run hot
> water over the lid for a few seconds. Seems to work 100% of the time.

I learned a long time ago yer method does not always work.

Take the backside of a butter knife and apply glancing blows to the
outside-upper corner of the cap --in the direction of "lefty Lucy"--
to loosen the cap. I've use the same method --with a hammer and a
cold chisel-- to loosen rusted bolts/washers.

Gar-own-tee! ;)

nb

On 2016-12-18, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Haircut appointment? I've never made an
> appointment with a barber in my life and if
> anybody ever asked me to I'd take my business
> elsewhere. I guess I'm old-fashioned--barbers
> are first come first served.

They're also a buncha assholes and liars.

I went to 6 different barbers in our town to have my beard trimmed.
All gave me some bullshit excuse of why they no longer did beards. I
finally had to have my beard done by a lady in a hair salon.

I did this monthly for 2 yrs until I finally found a male barber that
would do my beard. He did an excellent job, but he was Mexican and
spoke zero English. ;)

nb

On 2016-12-19, Puckdropper <puckdropper> wrote:


> Shaving... what a fool's errand!

Is it?

It was believed that beards were a primary vector for the
M. tuberculosis bacterium, one of the main reasons why
beards fell out of favor and "clean shaven" became so popular after
WWII.

nb --beard to hide my dbl chin ;)

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:10:51 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/15/2016 5:26 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:52:37 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>
> >> I have witnessed many of those type distractions but that is pretty much
> >> all gone in the Houston area unless the unit is down, including the
> >> swipe slot.
> >>
> >> I made a purchase at HD today and paid attention to the wait time, 4
> >> seconds.
> >> I did however wait until the unit indicated to insert the card. Some
> >> people insert the card immediately and have to wait until the cashier
> >> has finished the process. If you count that time plus the 4~7 second
> >> card read time it will appear to take for ever.
> >
> > Remember when you could swipe your card as soon as the first item was scanned by the
> > cashier? You could then put the card away and concentrate on loading scanned items into
> > your cart and whatever you needed to do to be able to walk away as soon as the cashier
> > was done.
> >
> > Ahhh...the good old days. ;-)
> >
>
>
> I really did not care for that, committing personal information before
> knowing what the bill would be. I always wanted to see the total before
> starting the payment process. Our local Kroger grocery store had that
> feature.

So that was *you* I was behind the other day! You made me late for my
haircut appointment. Not very late, but late just the same. ;-)

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:14:33 PM UTC-6, marc rosen wrote:
> Too bad it's not as nice looking as this "Calavera"
> Marc
>
>
>
> https://calaveraswimwear.com/collections/all-products

There swimsuit models are not ugly. No. But they aren't going to win any beauty contests either.

On 12/11/2016 12:52 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 12/9/2016 6:58 PM, Bill wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-12-09, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/09/2016 11:24 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> Watta buncha insanely overpriced plastic junk!
>>>> Some people are addicted to woodworking.
>>> Others are excellent at selling drooling fools "insanely overpriced
>>> plastic junk". Case in point:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/page.aspx?p=74055&cat=53
>>>
>>> I've bought a few things from Lee Valley. I'll most likely buy a few
>>> more things. But, I'm no chump and will not pay $10 fer something I
>>> can probably make out of a wad of chewing gum. ;)
>>
>> I bought something similar at Office Depot once to get some internet
>> cable off of the floor. The price seemed "marked-up" to me too, but it
>> was a good and fast solution to a problem. The one's I bought were in
>> the "easily-removable" category. If I need 100 of them I might consider
>> the matter differently than if I needed only 6. My time is worth
>> something too... "You have to choose your battles..." : )
>
> I needed something similar to keep my Cell phone charging cord on top of
> my table, and I used a paper clip, like this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prG3qWjp4Nk
>


I have been using this cable for charging my phone. I was attracted
because of the length available but the sliding knotted ball keeps the
cable on table tops when not in use. A little pricey but nice.

http://www.nativeunion.com/products/cables/