Grain direction for box

Thanks everyone. Plywood for the back is probably the wise choice. I was fixated on using solid red oak for everything, forgot about oak plywood. Orienting the solid wood back in the longest direction is also good for other projects.

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>Question about how to orient the grain direction for a box/case I am
>building. Plan to put two boxes under the workbench and put drawers in the
>boxes. The two boxes will >be about 1.0 feet tall and 2 feet wide and 1.5
>feet deep, each. Two boxes will be side by side, between the legs and
>above the stretcher. Solid red oak 3/4" for all parts. Will >use biscuits
>to glue everything together. See picture below to see how boards will be
>assembled. Top and bottom, the red oak grain will go left-right. Two
>sides, the grain >will go up-down. All four sides will have the grain
>running end to end in a circle and all expansion will be to the front and
>back for the sides and top/bottom.

>How to orient the BACK panel? Do I put the boards so the grain runs up and
>down? Or do I put the boards so the grain runs left-right? If the grain
>is up-down, then the back >expansion will push the sides out. If the grain
>is left-right, then the expansion will push the top and bottom apart. The
>way I am doing the biscuits, with the top and bottom >ends being exposed
>and the ends of the sides covered, I think the boards with grain up and
>down will be better. The biscuits will keep the sides from being pushed
>out and >the legs of the bench will keep the boxes compressed and not
>allowed to expand out. ??????

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The short answer with solid wood is that you should not constrain the
back... either the back needs to be a floating panel in a frame; or the back
should be individuals boards either ship lapped, or loose tongue and groove,
that are either nailed or screwed (with slotted holes) to the surrounding
rebated frame. Generally the grain of the back runs with the long dimension
of the case.... but not always! Alternatively, use sheet goods for the
back.

On 12/7/2016 9:43 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Question about how to orient the grain direction for a box/case I am
> building. Plan to put two boxes under the workbench and put drawers
> in the boxes. The two boxes will be about 1.0 feet tall and 2 feet
> wide and 1.5 feet deep, each. Two boxes will be side by side,
> between the legs and above the stretcher. Solid red oak 3/4" for all
> parts. Will use biscuits to glue everything together. See picture
> below to see how boards will be assembled. Top and bottom, the red
> oak grain will go left-right. Two sides, the grain will go up-down.
> All four sides will have the grain running end to end in a circle and
> all expansion will be to the front and back for the sides and
> top/bottom.
>
> How to orient the BACK panel? Do I put the boards so the grain runs
> up and down? Or do I put the boards so the grain runs left-right?
> If the grain is up-down, then the back expansion will push the sides
> out. If the grain is left-right, then the expansion will push the
> top and bottom apart. The way I am doing the biscuits, with the top
> and bottom ends being exposed and the ends of the sides covered, I
> think the boards with grain up and down will be better. The biscuits
> will keep the sides from being pushed out and the legs of the bench
> will keep the boxes compressed and not allowed to expand out.
> ??????
>
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Typically with the opening on the front the grain runs left to right on
the top and bottom and up/down on the sides .

Basically the end grain does not face the viewable side/open side.

Solid wood back, grain is parallel to the longest measurement. Plywood
back, grain does not matter mechanically.

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:43:45 PM UTC-5, [email protected] w=
rote:
> Question about how to orient the grain direction for a box/case I am buil=
ding. Plan to put two boxes under the workbench and put drawers in the box=
es. The two boxes will be about 1.0 feet tall and 2 feet wide and 1.5 feet=
deep, each. Two boxes will be side by side, between the legs and above th=
e stretcher. Solid red oak 3/4" for all parts. Will use biscuits to glue =
everything together. See picture below to see how boards will be assembled=
. Top and bottom, the red oak grain will go left-right. Two sides, the gr=
ain will go up-down. All four sides will have the grain running end to end=
in a circle and all expansion will be to the front and back for the sides =
and top/bottom.
>=20
> How to orient the BACK panel? Do I put the boards so the grain runs up a=
nd down? Or do I put the boards so the grain runs left-right? If the grai=
n is up-down, then the back expansion will push the sides out. If the grai=
n is left-right, then the expansion will push the top and bottom apart. Th=
e way I am doing the biscuits, with the top and bottom ends being exposed a=
nd the ends of the sides covered, I think the boards with grain up and down=
will be better. The biscuits will keep the sides from being pushed out an=
d the legs of the bench will keep the boxes compressed and not allowed to e=
xpand out. ??????
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>=20
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How about a plywood back with a red oak veneer?

The grain orientation won't matter and you can do whatever pleases you=20
aesthetically.

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 19:43:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Question about how to orient the grain direction for a box/case I am building. Plan to put two boxes under the workbench and put drawers in the boxes. The two boxes will be about 1.0 feet tall and 2 feet wide and 1.5 feet deep, each. Two boxes will be side by side, between the legs and above the stretcher. Solid red oak 3/4" for all parts. Will use biscuits to glue everything together. See picture below to see how boards will be assembled. Top and bottom, the red oak grain will go left-right. Two sides, the grain will go up-down. All four sides will have the grain running end to end in a circle and all expansion will be to the front and back for the sides and top/bottom.
>
>How to orient the BACK panel? Do I put the boards so the grain runs up and down? Or do I put the boards so the grain runs left-right? If the grain is up-down, then the back expansion will push the sides out. If the grain is left-right, then the expansion will push the top and bottom apart. The way I am doing the biscuits, with the top and bottom ends being exposed and the ends of the sides covered, I think the boards with grain up and down will be better. The biscuits will keep the sides from being pushed out and the legs of the bench will keep the boxes compressed and not allowed to expand out. ??????
>
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I don't think I've ever seen a box or crate where the grain did not go
left to right. You may be over thinking this.

Alternate method: Make the back from MDF or plywood and have no
grain.