complaints on hf glue

notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>A URL means zip.

Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree.

How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement?

dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw

to point to their cheap SCMS

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw-with-laser-guide-system-61969.html

notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>A URL means zip.
>
>> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree.
>>
>> How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement?
>>
>> dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw
>>
>> to point to their cheap SCMS
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw-with-laser-guide-system-61969.html
>>
>
>Why are you telling me!?

1) Because you were wrong
>
>You should probably be telling Franklin International.

Why? I'm quite sure they're aware.

>BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? ;)
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
>

See 1) above O_o

On 4/28/2016 6:01 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet
>>> wrote:
>>>

[snip]

>> I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
>> of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
>> on-line.
>
> The actual manufacturer is probably the Happy-Lucky Glue Company or some
> such and the only information you're likely to find that isn't from
> Harbor Freight will be in Chinese.
>
>> Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
>> ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
>> MSDS on request).

Probably is the Happy-Lucky Glue Company. Just his luck that they
happened to get a bad batch of dissidents in that last batch the
government gave them. :(

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2
@dont-email.me:

> never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
> complained about the bottle
>
> if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will
> have a good product there for smaller jobs
>
>
> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
>
> titebond has a yellowish look


I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle.
It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the
glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too.

Is the HF glue actually tacky?

Puckdropper

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>A URL means zip.
>>
>> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly*
>> disagree.
>
>I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't
>noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The
>only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't
>reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand
>is "HFT").

One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin
International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds'
and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date.
Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints.

On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>A URL means zip.
> >
> > Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly*
> > disagree.
>
> I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't
> noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The
> only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't
> reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand
> is "HFT").
>

...snip...

Actually, a search on their website for titebond leads you to a page that
leads you to the page with titebond in the URL.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=titebond

So that means that they have associated that product with the word titebond in their search database.

I don't know if that's worth anything, I'm just tossing it out there.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:

> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat

I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for.

Sonny

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer
>>of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted
>>somewhere that I missed?
>>
>>John
>
>It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue
>
>http://www.harborfreight.com/titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue-8-oz-91768.html


https://trademarks.justia.com/765/78/titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue-76578574.html

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet
> > wrote:
> >
> >> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
> >
> > I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines
> > on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for.
>
> Agreed. For two reasons - one being aesthetics, the other
> being a visible glue line represents a weak joint (the
> exception being with epoxy, where you actually do want to
> see a glue line).
>
> Apropos of the HF wood glue, judging by the Comet's comments
> on it's texture and appearance, and the fact HF describes it
> as "acrylic", I'm guessing it's actually adhesive for engineered
> wood floors.
>
> I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
> of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
> on-line.

The actual manufacturer is probably the Happy-Lucky Glue Company or some
such and the only information you're likely to find that isn't from
Harbor Freight will be in Chinese.

> Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
> ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
> MSDS on request).
>
> John

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let me see if I have this straight.
> >
> >1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL
> >
> >2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs
> >
> >3) It's not really Titebond glue
> >
> >4) I'm wrong.
>
> Yes, yer wrong 'bout 3)

You have of course obtained confirmation from the manufacturer of
Titebond that the glue in question is in fact Titebond III, even though
Harbor Freight claims it is "acrylic" and Titebond is not acrylic?

On 4/28/2016 10:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
>> complained about the bottle
>>
>> if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will
>> have a good product there for smaller jobs
>>
>>
>> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
>>
>> titebond has a yellowish look
>
>
> I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle.
> It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the
> glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too.
>
> Is the HF glue actually tacky?
>
> Puckdropper
>

Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~)

Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet
> wrote:
>
>> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
>
> I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines
> on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for.

Agreed. For two reasons - one being aesthetics, the other
being a visible glue line represents a weak joint (the
exception being with epoxy, where you actually do want to
see a glue line).

Apropos of the HF wood glue, judging by the Comet's comments
on it's texture and appearance, and the fact HF describes it
as "acrylic", I'm guessing it's actually adhesive for engineered
wood floors.

I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
MSDS on request).

John

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>>I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
>>of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
>>on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
>>ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
>>MSDS on request).

> It appears to be pretty harmless stuff.
>
> http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSSearchCO.php?Frames=Y&B1=Submit&MSDS
> _Prod=e8d40b45-0ab3-49f7-8a9c-b53970f736af

Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer
of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted
somewhere that I missed?

John

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A URL means zip.
>
> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly*
> disagree.

I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't
noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The
only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't
reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand
is "HFT").

Compare with their page for Gorilla Glue, which uses the
actual Gorilla Glue name and logo, and does not say the
brand is "HFT".

John

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin
> International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds'
> and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date.
> Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints.

Could well be. In which case they likely have some agreement,
even if just a handshake, allowing them to call it "titebond
style" or something like that.

The MSDS for "HFT" glue, if it was available, would probably
tell us the actual manufacturer. And if it was Franklin
International, we could assume it was Titebond that was in
some way out-of-spec.

John

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nftn98$hcd$6
@dont-email.me:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:29:32 -0700
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
>> complained about the bottle
>
> in all the reviews no one marked the bottle as a con

How now? In the "Cons" I see:

"Hard to get out"
"Hard to dispense"
"Bottle cap design"
"Poor container"

And of course the review text is full of "won't go thru the cap"
type comments.

John

On 4/28/2016 1:52 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin
>> International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds'
>> and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date.
>> Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints.
>
> Could well be. In which case they likely have some agreement,
> even if just a handshake, allowing them to call it "titebond
> style" or something like that.


Or too much trouble to go after them since the product does not say
anything about TBIII. so what if a link directs you to a different
brand product.

notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>Let me see if I have this straight.
>
>1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL
>
>2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs
>
>3) It's not really Titebond glue
>
>4) I'm wrong.

Yes, yer wrong 'bout 3)

>
>BTW, what's wrong with yer eye? ;)

^_^ moe better?

On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue

A URL means zip. They coulda put "zombie-proof" in the URL and it
still woulda meant nada. The telling feature I see is, HF glue admits
to being an "acrylic base", while relegating other glues to
"polyurethane" based.

I tried digging down, but I flunked chemistry. 8|

nb

On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>>A URL means zip.

> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree.
>
> How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement?
>
> dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw
>
> to point to their cheap SCMS
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw-with-laser-guide-system-61969.html
>

Why are you telling me!?

You should probably be telling Franklin International.

BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

nb

On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Why are you telling me!?

> 1) Because you were wrong
>>
>>You should probably be telling Franklin International.
>
> Why? I'm quite sure they're aware.
>
>>BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? ;)
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
>>
>
> See 1) above O_o

Let me see if I have this straight.

1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL

2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs

3) It's not really Titebond glue

4) I'm wrong.

Hey, whatever floats yer boat.

BTW, what's wrong with yer eye? ;)

nb

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 8:53:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 4/28/2016 10:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> > Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2
> > @dont-email.me:
> >
> >> never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
> >> complained about the bottle
> >>
> >> if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will
> >> have a good product there for smaller jobs
> >>
> >>
> >> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
> >>
> >> titebond has a yellowish look
> >
> >
> > I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle.
> > It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the
> > glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too.
> >
> > Is the HF glue actually tacky?
> >
> > Puckdropper
> >
>
> Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~)

That's why they sell these...

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-oz-tack-hammer-with-magnetized-head-67715.html

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet
>> wrote:
>>
>>> still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat
>>
>> I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines
>> on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for.
>
>Agreed. For two reasons - one being aesthetics, the other
>being a visible glue line represents a weak joint (the
>exception being with epoxy, where you actually do want to
>see a glue line).
>
>Apropos of the HF wood glue, judging by the Comet's comments
>on it's texture and appearance, and the fact HF describes it
>as "acrylic", I'm guessing it's actually adhesive for engineered
>wood floors.
>
>I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
>of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
>on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
>ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
>MSDS on request).
>
>John

It appears to be pretty harmless stuff.

http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSSearchCO.php?Frames=Y&B1=Submit&MSDS_Prod=e8d40b45-0ab3-49f7-8a9c-b53970f736af

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:29:32 -0700
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:

> never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
> complained about the bottle

in all the reviews no one marked the bottle as a con

are people so afraid of the truth now that they censor themselves
about a bottle og glue


you will end of with carpel tunnel syndrome trying to use this
bottle

i use a small ratchet style clamp to squeeze out the glue

pop the quick release and no problem

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>A URL means zip.
>>
>> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly*
>> disagree.
>
>I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't
>noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The
>only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't
>reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand
>is "HFT").

HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years:
Sep 20, 2011

http://web.archive.org/web/20110920202334/http://www.harborfreight.com/titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue-8-oz-91768.html

On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A URL means zip.
>>>
>>> Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly*
>>> disagree.
>>
>> I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't
>> noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The
>> only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't
>> reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand
>> is "HFT").
>
> HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years:
> Sep 20, 2011
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20110920202334/http://www.harborfreight.com/titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue-8-oz-91768.html
>
>

So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will
include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>> Is the HF glue actually tacky?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
>Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~)

+1

Excellent!

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints
>>>of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them
>>>on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can
>>>ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the
>>>MSDS on request).
>
>> It appears to be pretty harmless stuff.
>>
>> http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSSearchCO.php?Frames=Y&B1=Submit&MSDS
>> _Prod=e8d40b45-0ab3-49f7-8a9c-b53970f736af
>
>Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer
>of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted
>somewhere that I missed?
>
>John

It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue

http://www.harborfreight.com/titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue-8-oz-91768.html