Hi Folks,
I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
thx, Chris
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Tue, Jul 27, 2004, 3:15pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Chris=A0Richmond=A0-=A0MD6-FDC=A0~) chants:
Hi Folks,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has
been broken. The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs
and rails. <snip>
Your friend has been broken. Maybe it was from the doweled butt
joints. I've heard of them being duct taped, or crazy glued, but never
doweled.
As for the bench, if it's an antique, best take it to someone that
won't totally ruin its value. If it's not an antique, probably won't
matter what you do to it. Hmm, you could alway box the legs on the
inside, with plywood, then stain, or paint it. That would be
interesting. Could even make it with drawers, or doors.
JOAT
Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "George" <george@least> writes:
> >Loose tenons. Sort of a bigass dowel
>
> That's sort-of what I had in mind, but don't have a good way
> to hold and hollow the ends of the rails.
>
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One of these toys will do it: http://www.beadlock.com/index.html
Its easy to use (must be, I can use it) and the only problem I had was with
over-tight joints. It's a damn fine gadget and makes a joint that aint ever
coming apart.
Loose tenons. Sort of a bigass dowel
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
> The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
> Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
> and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
> on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
> I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
> Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
> not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
> proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
> how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
> the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
>
> thx, Chris
>
> --
> Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
Jig clamped to the face with a groove for a bushing over the end. They're
not too difficult to make, and are reusable for future loose tenons. Take a
look, I know the Router Guys have diagrams.
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "George" <george@least> writes:
> >Loose tenons. Sort of a bigass dowel
>
> That's sort-of what I had in mind, but don't have a good way
> to hold and hollow the ends of the rails.
You need to visit San Francisco....
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Tue, Jul 27, 2004, 3:15pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) chants:
Hi Folks,
I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has
been broken. The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs
and rails. <snip>
Your friend has been broken. Maybe it was from the doweled butt
joints. I've heard of them being duct taped, or crazy glued, but never
doweled.
Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 6:53am george@least (George) wildly claims:
You need to visit San Francisco....
I do not have any need, wish, desire, to visit San Francisco - or
surrounding areas - in this lifetime; or, hopefully, any other.
JOAT
Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:26:39 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 6:53am george@least (George) wildly claims:
>You need to visit San Francisco....
>
> I do not have any need, wish, desire, to visit San Francisco - or
>surrounding areas - in this lifetime; or, hopefully, any other.
>
>
>
>JOAT
San Francisco's a great city. lots of old buildings with really nice
woodwork in them. I have had the opportunity to work there a few times
and enjoyed being there. I wouldn't want to live there- too much of a
rat race.
Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
> The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
> Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
> and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
> on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
> I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
> Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
> not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
> proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
> how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
> the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
>
> thx, Chris
>
> --
> Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
DIY jig - if you've got a plunge router with a fence. Jig will come in
handy for
all kinds of loose tenon joints later. All one line
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/LooseTenonJig/LooseTenonJig1.html
charlie b
BeadLock.
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:ce693o$c13> >That's sort-of what I had in mind, but don't have
a good way
> to hold and hollow the ends of the rails.
In article <[email protected]>,
"George" <george@least> writes:
>Loose tenons. Sort of a bigass dowel
That's sort-of what I had in mind, but don't have a good way
to hold and hollow the ends of the rails.
Chris
>"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
>> The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
>> Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
>> and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
>> on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
>> I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
>> Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
>> not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
>> proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
>> how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
>> the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
>>
>> thx, Chris
>>
>> --
>> Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
>
>
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In article <[email protected]>,
Juergen Hannappel <[email protected]> writes:
>[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) writes:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
>Maybe with a cast you poor friend will heal in due time.
You're killing me. Cut a guy some slack when his caffine
hasn't kicked in.
Chris
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Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
Plunge router and a mortising jig. I use one as shown in "Beds", by Jeff
Miller. Very simple. Also, the jig can easily do compound angle mortises.
The book also has a simple tenoning jig for a plunge router. I have the
Powermatic mortising machine and now do most of my mortise and tenons with a
router.
Preston
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
> The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
> Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
> and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
> on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
> I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
> Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
> not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
> proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
> how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
> the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
>
> thx, Chris
>
> --
> Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:06:32 +0000 (UTC),
[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) wrote:
Hi Chris
I did something similar recently with and old chair we had
been using for a step ladder for a few years. It was pretty beat up.
Some of the dowels were broken, some just loose.
Well I cut the dowels off somewhat flush , center-punched them (as in
metalwork), and drilled them out using a drill a bit smaller than the
dowel size. The smaller drill bit was used because it's difficult to
drill straight with a hand drill. Anything remaining can be chipped
out if necessary.
New dowels, glue, clamps; and it's not too bad.
It is hard to get things aligned well doing it this way.
Good luck.
Joe
PS: Sorry 'bout your friends broken butt joints, maybe gorilla glue
will help. I don't know.
>>"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
>>> The existing joinery is dowled butt joints between the legs and rails.
>>> Its a pair of those joints that broke so that I have a 3 sided frame
>>> and a pair of legs with the long rail between them. I was planning
>>> on morticing both the legs and the ends of the short rails, but
>>> I can figure out a good way to mortice the ends of the short rails.
>>> Any ideas? Any better ideas for putting this back together? Its
>>> not unreasonable to completely replace the rails so I can make
>>> proper tennons, but I'd have a tough time matching the wood. Hey,
>>> how about making veneers from the existing rails to put over
>>> the replacements??? Maybe that's the ticket!
>>>
>>> thx, Chris
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa
>>
>>
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Hi Folks,
>
> <snip> "...butt joints between the legs..."
Yep, that's exactly where butt joints should be. <g>
Gary
[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) writes:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've got a broken piano bench from a friend that has been broken.
Maybe with a cast you poor friend will heal in due time.
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