OT - Woodsmith Shop on TV

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:

> I watched it exactly two times. The stuff that was covered was so
> basic
> it made Nahm look like a guru.

What it really does is show how well the NYW is written, the excellent
camera work it has, and what talent Norm possesses not only as a wood
butcher but also as an instructor.

Simply put, the NYW is light years ahead of it's competitors IMHO.

YMMV.

Lew

Create is a good channel that has been around for a few years. We
used to get it at our last location before we moved. We are pressing
the local rural cable provider to add it. It has a little of
everything for the woodworker, crafter, cooking, travel, garden, etc
crew.

On Oct 14, 3:09=A0pm, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:21:24 -0700, rich wrote:
> > =A0 =A0I have to disagree. =A0What may seem simple, and easily done wit=
h
> > modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. =A0How many of us ca=
n
> > take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
> > tools?
>
> They did this on the show? =A0If so, I rest my case :-).
>
> If not, what relevance does it have?
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Of course not! It's an example of a challenge to a student prior to
the use of power tools. To get that board corectly dimensioned, flat
on all faces, and all at right angles, using only hand tools is quite
an accomplishment. The show demonstrates other techniques, that can
be applied to your own projects.

I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.

On Oct 13, 11:29=A0am, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
> > I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
> > friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.
>
> I watched it exactly two times. =A0The stuff that was covered was so basi=
c
> it made Nahm look like a guru.
>
> That may have been a misleading sample, but if not I can't imagine anyone
> on this group getting much out of it. =A0Even a newbie.
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

I have seen it.

The episodes I have seen are basic stuff.

But I consider that to be good...the hobby needs introductory stuff as
well as advanced info.

And God knows that television in general needs more instructional/do-
it-yourself shows to replace the reality crapola and sports that
floods the airwaves.

I hope the show is successful and will encourage more shows of the
same type at all skill levels.

TMT

On Oct 14, 3:18=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
>
> >> I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at =
a
> >> friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.
>
> >I watched it exactly two times. =A0The stuff that was covered was so bas=
ic
> >it made Nahm look like a guru.
>
> Yeah, like the sanding show. =A0 Never even mentioned cabinet scrapers,
> files or rasps.
>
> I like the magazine, but the show is a bit too basic.
>
> scott

You got cable in your cave?

Create is PBS.

Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
> friend's house and thought that others here might be interested. There's a
> new channel called Create, which happens to be channel 223 on Charter Cable
> in CT.
>
> Peter.
>
>
>

To All, I really screwed up! Woodsmith vs Woodwright! I was arguing
in favor of the Woodwright, most of you were referring to Woodsmith.

Like arguing a band saw vs French Toast.

I stand by my statements regarding the use of basic hand tools as a
skill builder, and for pleasure. That said, I use the full range of
power tools whenever needed. When I run across a show that is too
basic, I don't watch. Or too silly. Each to their own skill level.

I have to disagree. What may seem simple, and easily done with
modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. How many of us can
take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
tools?

Another area which I keep forgetting, is that carpenters 200 years
ago were still pretty clever guys. I am challenged by the show to try
new techniques, such as sliding dovetails, or a round ball in a socket.

"John Santos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, lewhodgett2
> @verizon.net says...>
>
> I don't know what Normie's schedule is for next year, but a very good
> sign: This morning I was driving to work and was about a block past
> the NYW when I saw a "XXXX Forest Products" delivery truck heading the
> other way. There's no recording schedule on the New Yankee web site,
> but I hope they are going to produce some new episodes and not just
> repeat old ones. (I can't remember what XXXX is, but they're a hardwood
> supplier that has been mentioned in the credits on the NYW or TOH or
> both.)


NYW is done. Are you under the impression that XXX forest Products exists
only for NYW? Were the other cars that you saw a good sign also. ;!)




> Yeah, I know where the top secret location is, and have threatened to
> reveal it if not bribed with an autographed brad nailer or something
> of equivalent value...

I think every one knows where the NYW location is. Google Earth reveals it.

rich wrote:
> I have to disagree. What may seem simple, and easily done with
> modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. How many of us can
> take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
> tools?
>
> Another area which I keep forgetting, is that carpenters 200 years
> ago were still pretty clever guys. I am challenged by the show to try
> new techniques, such as sliding dovetails, or a round ball in a socket.

Are you confusing the "Woodsmith Shop" with the "Woodwright's Shop"? The
former is the show mentioned in the topic for this thread. The later does
use neander methods.

In article <[email protected]>, lewhodgett2
@verizon.net says...>
> "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
>
> > I watched it exactly two times. The stuff that was covered was so
> > basic
> > it made Nahm look like a guru.
>
> What it really does is show how well the NYW is written, the excellent
> camera work it has, and what talent Norm possesses not only as a wood
> butcher but also as an instructor.
>
> Simply put, the NYW is light years ahead of it's competitors IMHO.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Lew

I don't know what Normie's schedule is for next year, but a very good
sign: This morning I was driving to work and was about a block past
the NYW when I saw a "XXXX Forest Products" delivery truck heading the
other way. There's no recording schedule on the New Yankee web site,
but I hope they are going to produce some new episodes and not just
repeat old ones. (I can't remember what XXXX is, but they're a hardwood
supplier that has been mentioned in the credits on the NYW or TOH or
both.)

Yeah, I know where the top secret location is, and have threatened to
reveal it if not bribed with an autographed brad nailer or something
of equivalent value...

--
John

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:32:18 -0700, Dan Coby wrote:
>
>> rich wrote:
>>> I have to disagree. What may seem simple, and easily done with
>>> modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. How many of us can
>>> take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
>>> tools?
>>>
>>> Another area which I keep forgetting, is that carpenters 200 years
>>> ago were still pretty clever guys. I am challenged by the show to try
>>> new techniques, such as sliding dovetails, or a round ball in a socket.
>> Are you confusing the "Woodsmith Shop" with the "Woodwright's Shop"?
>> The former is the show mentioned in the topic for this thread. The
>> later does use neander methods.
>
> Our TV listings gave it as the "Wood Shop" in fine print. I thought it
> might be the Woodwright's shop. That's how come I tuned in the 1st
> time :-). The 2nd was just to confirm the level of the show.

My question about which show was aimed at rich since he changed the topic
around toward the use of neander methods. I have watched a few of the
Woodsmith Shows and they have a pretty standard modern tool approach.
On the other hand, Roy Underhill on the Woodwright's Shop definitely
approaches woodworking from a neader slant.

I do agree that the few Woodsmith Shows that I have watched have been
extremely basic.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> writes:
>-MIKE- wrote:
>> rich wrote:
>>>
>>> I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
>>> produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.
>>
>> Why?
>> If the Egyptians had a crane and jackhammers, they would've used
>> them. :-)
>
>Further, how many home shops have a froe and a drawknife and a seasoned tree
>branch? Try that with green wood and you're mainly going to learn why you
>don't want to work with green wood.
>

Many, if not most, homes with fireplaces will have seasoned wood
available. A froe may not be necessary, a drawknife is nice, but
a scrub plane or frame/bow saw can be used in a pinch.

I've built many a box from seasoned firewood (mainly Almond). Almond
also makes nice handles for socket chisels. So does the Olive I
scavenged from the neighbors tree when it came down.

I've also scavenged apple (enough for a small shaker table), sycamore
(nice quarter sawn curls) and live oak (some qs, some ugly).

I think learning woodworking _should_ start with making an S4S board
from a chunk of firewood; hand or power tools doesn't really matter,
the process is fundamentally the same.

scott

Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> writes:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
>
>> I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
>> friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.
>
>I watched it exactly two times. The stuff that was covered was so basic
>it made Nahm look like a guru.

Yeah, like the sanding show. Never even mentioned cabinet scrapers,
files or rasps.

I like the magazine, but the show is a bit too basic.

scott

On Oct 13, 11:29=A0am, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
> > I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
> > friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.
>
> I watched it exactly two times. =A0The stuff that was covered was so basi=
c
> it made Nahm look like a guru.
>
> That may have been a misleading sample, but if not I can't imagine anyone
> on this group getting much out of it. =A0Even a newbie.
>

I hope you are wrong. Obviously there are a lot of seasoned
woodworkers within this group. However, I'm sure there are several
levels of newbies that use this resource too, some just getting their
feet wet. For folks who are just starting the craft, groups like this
and programs like Woodsmith, Norm, etc are great for motivation as
well as information.

Ron

rich wrote:
>
> I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
> produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.

Why?
If the Egyptians had a crane and jackhammers, they would've used them. :-)


--

-MIKE-

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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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-MIKE- wrote:
> rich wrote:
>>
>> I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
>> produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.
>
> Why?

Did you see the movie Karate Kid ("Wipe-on..., Wipe-off...").
Because it may lead you to new skills! : )


> If the Egyptians had a crane and jackhammers, they would've used them. :-)
>
>

Bill wrote:
> Did you see the movie Karate Kid ("Wipe-on..., Wipe-off...").
> Because it may lead you to new skills! : )
>

LMAO! That cracked me up for some reason.

Yeah, I don't remember that.
Was that in the deleted scenes on the DVD or something?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
> rich wrote:
>>
>> I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
>> produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.
>
> Why?
> If the Egyptians had a crane and jackhammers, they would've used
> them. :-)

Further, how many home shops have a froe and a drawknife and a seasoned tree
branch? Try that with green wood and you're mainly going to learn why you
don't want to work with green wood.

-MIKE- wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Did you see the movie Karate Kid ("Wipe-on..., Wipe-off...").
>> Because it may lead you to new skills! : )
>>
>
> LMAO! That cracked me up for some reason.
>
> Yeah, I don't remember that.
> Was that in the deleted scenes on the DVD or something?

Maybe you remember "wax on, wax off". It was reinforced later in the movie
when Miyagi showed _why_ "wax on, wax off".

J. Clarke wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Did you see the movie Karate Kid ("Wipe-on..., Wipe-off...").
>>> Because it may lead you to new skills! : )
>>>
>> LMAO! That cracked me up for some reason.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't remember that.
>> Was that in the deleted scenes on the DVD or something?
>
> Maybe you remember "wax on, wax off". It was reinforced later in the movie
> when Miyagi showed _why_ "wax on, wax off".
>

I was picturing Billy Mays as Mr. Miyagi doing an infomercial in Japan.

"A stain confronts you, it is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.
Just wipe on and wipe off to kick that stain's ass with the amazing
Whammy Chammy!"



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
> rich wrote:
>>
>> I suggest you turn off your power tools one day, and see if you can
>> produce a board, as noted above, from a branch.
>
> Why?
> If the Egyptians had a crane and jackhammers, they would've used them. :-)

Maybe they did, and Jimmy Hoffa took 'em to the same place he took
Saddam's WMDs... :-)

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:21:24 -0700, rich wrote:

> I have to disagree. What may seem simple, and easily done with
> modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. How many of us can
> take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
> tools?

They did this on the show? If so, I rest my case :-).

If not, what relevance does it have?

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:32:18 -0700, Dan Coby wrote:

> rich wrote:
>> I have to disagree. What may seem simple, and easily done with
>> modern power tools is a challenge with hand tools. How many of us can
>> take a tree branch, and create a 24" x 2" x 4" board, just using hand
>> tools?
>>
>> Another area which I keep forgetting, is that carpenters 200 years
>> ago were still pretty clever guys. I am challenged by the show to try
>> new techniques, such as sliding dovetails, or a round ball in a socket.
>
> Are you confusing the "Woodsmith Shop" with the "Woodwright's Shop"?
> The former is the show mentioned in the topic for this thread. The
> later does use neander methods.

Our TV listings gave it as the "Wood Shop" in fine print. I thought it
might be the Woodwright's shop. That's how come I tuned in the 1st
time :-). The 2nd was just to confirm the level of the show.



--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

"Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:11ad68b1-859e-4f49-b423-3934eea95e0b@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 11:29 am, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
> > I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
> > friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.
>
> I watched it exactly two times. The stuff that was covered was so basic
> it made Nahm look like a guru.
>
> That may have been a misleading sample, but if not I can't imagine anyone
> on this group getting much out of it. Even a newbie.
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

I have seen it.

The episodes I have seen are basic stuff.

But I consider that to be good...the hobby needs introductory stuff as
well as advanced info.

Agreed, I try to record them and watch them, most I immediatly discard but
I have kept a couple. As for making Norm look like a guru, yeah, he has
had 21 years of practice. I recall he to was pretty basic and elementry by
today's standards when he used his ShopSmith to cut up lumber.


And God knows that television in general needs more instructional/do-
it-yourself shows to replace the reality crapola and sports that
floods the airwaves.

Yeah, unless the instructional show involves a hot melt glue gun or beads of
any kind.


I hope the show is successful and will encourage more shows of the
same type at all skill levels.

I can see it progressing just like TYW did. They have the know how to
produce very nice furniture.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:32:07 -0400, Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:

> I recently caught the tail end of an episode of the Woodsmith Shop at a
> friend's house and thought that others here might be interested.

I watched it exactly two times. The stuff that was covered was so basic
it made Nahm look like a guru.

That may have been a misleading sample, but if not I can't imagine anyone
on this group getting much out of it. Even a newbie.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw