A brand new Delta X5 36-L31X-BC50 was delivered to my house
today....and i had to send it back.
the cabinet had 2 dime sized rust spots that were clearly coming thru
from under the paint. this prompted us to check the rails, fence, and
extension table. the rails featured plenty of their own rust spots
including about 10" of corrosion on the fence locking rail. the
"Biesmeyer" fence was noticably warped along the left side laminate.
the extension table looked fine with the exception of low grade
support framing.
the fella who delivered it (who also does setup) claimed that the
Unisaws are now made overseas and that he has noticed a sharp decline
in quality over the last 6 months. maybe we just got the Delta
box-o-sh*t, but it was bad enough that we didn't want another Delta.
we got us a General 650 instead.
I can say that at least one person chose not to go with Delta based on
information I've seen here - went with a Griz 1023SL and have been very
happy.
Don
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> As I posted earlier, the famous Unisaw appears to be heading into decline.
> However, this post is really disheartening.
>
> Sorry about your problem. Can I suggest you take a look at Jet or
Grizzly?
>
>
"michael baker" wrote in message
> we got us a General 650 instead.
Smart move ... was just looking at some of Delta's latest big tool offerings
at a local dealer here yesterday. Not impressed. Mine own Unisaw is not all
that old, but I am damn glad that it is as old as it is.
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"michael baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A brand new Delta X5 36-L31X-BC50 was delivered to my house
> today....and i had to send it back.
>
> the cabinet had 2 dime sized rust spots that were clearly coming thru
> from under the paint. this prompted us to check the rails, fence, and
> extension table. the rails featured plenty of their own rust spots
> including about 10" of corrosion on the fence locking rail. the
> "Biesmeyer" fence was noticably warped along the left side laminate.
> the extension table looked fine with the exception of low grade
> support framing.
>
> the fella who delivered it (who also does setup) claimed that the
> Unisaws are now made overseas and that he has noticed a sharp decline
> in quality over the last 6 months. maybe we just got the Delta
> box-o-sh*t, but it was bad enough that we didn't want another Delta.
>
> we got us a General 650 instead.
Might be a good idea to write to Delta and let them know that a whole bunch
of people just saw your note online.
"Chris C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
>
>
> Chris
You can count on it. Rather that a mix of foreign and US components, it will
all come from one country.
Same here. Three years ago I started my upgrade search pretty much favoring
a Unisaw. This was based on experience with 20-30 year old machines.
Unfortunately, when I started looking at the new ones I put on the brakes.
I Have had my 1023s for three years now and frankly it does a fine job of
replacing the 20-30 year old Unisaw vision. As I posted a little earlier, I
recently saw a brand new Unisaw in a local store and it has gone downhill in
the past 2-3 years.
I am old enough to remember when nearly everything that came from Japan was
cheap crap. This has been replaced with Honda, Toyota and Lexus. Now that
good machine tools are coming from the east the locals had better get their
act together. We may be a patriotic bunch to a point but as consumers, with
limited funds, we are fickle.
"D. J. Dorn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I can say that at least one person chose not to go with Delta based on
> information I've seen here - went with a Griz 1023SL and have been very
> happy.
>
> Don
>
> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Kv_ad.3307$EZ.2384@okepread07...
>> As I posted earlier, the famous Unisaw appears to be heading into
>> decline.
>> However, this post is really disheartening.
>>
>> Sorry about your problem. Can I suggest you take a look at Jet or
> Grizzly?
>>
>>
>
>
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> They will cease business before they ever confront their own
> problems. OK, that's a lie. They'll cease business and
> then blame it all on imported machinery.
>
> It's never their fault. No really. It was in all the
> papers.
Wow, another company that uses the Oldsmobile philosophy.
Doug Kanter wrote:
>> "michael baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> A brand new Delta X5 36-L31X-BC50 was delivered to my house
>>> today....and i had to send it back.
>>>
>>> the cabinet had 2 dime sized rust spots that were clearly coming
>>> thru from under the paint. this prompted us to check the rails,
>>> fence, and extension table. the rails featured plenty of their own
>>> rust spots including about 10" of corrosion on the fence locking
>>> rail. the "Biesmeyer" fence was noticably warped along the left
>>> side laminate. the extension table looked fine with the exception
>>> of low grade support framing.
>>>
>>> the fella who delivered it (who also does setup) claimed that the
>>> Unisaws are now made overseas and that he has noticed a sharp
>>> decline in quality over the last 6 months. maybe we just got the
>>> Delta box-o-sh*t, but it was bad enough that we didn't want another
>>> Delta.
>>>
>>> we got us a General 650 instead.
>>
>> Might be a good idea to write to Delta and let them know that a
>> whole bunch of people just saw your note online.
Phewie! Better than that, post Delta's ****.com and we can all send Delta
a copy!
Josie
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Chris C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
> >
> >
> > Chris
>
> You can count on it. Rather that a mix of foreign and US components, it
will
> all come from one country.
>
>
Yeah. Malaysia.
"Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "michael baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A brand new Delta X5 36-L31X-BC50 was delivered to my house
> > today....and i had to send it back.
> >
> > the cabinet had 2 dime sized rust spots that were clearly coming thru
> > from under the paint. this prompted us to check the rails, fence, and
> > extension table. the rails featured plenty of their own rust spots
> > including about 10" of corrosion on the fence locking rail. the
> > "Biesmeyer" fence was noticably warped along the left side laminate.
> > the extension table looked fine with the exception of low grade
> > support framing.
> >
> > the fella who delivered it (who also does setup) claimed that the
> > Unisaws are now made overseas and that he has noticed a sharp decline
> > in quality over the last 6 months. maybe we just got the Delta
> > box-o-sh*t, but it was bad enough that we didn't want another Delta.
> >
> > we got us a General 650 instead.
>
> Might be a good idea to write to Delta and let them know that a whole bunch
> of people just saw your note online.
I would be surprised if Delta reps don't keep a finger on this board.
maybe making my experience public will help get their quality control
back on track - it'd be a shame for the Delta brand name to suffer
lasting tarnish. ;-)
so far so good with the General - this saw is VERY NICE. Baldor Motor,
Danfoss starter switch, blanchard ground table and wings, very
substantial castings all around, metal motor cover, etc. the fit and
finish is top notch.
granted SWMBO and i have only had the saw for a few days, but
everything about it smacks of quality.
we are calling it "The General" as in 'I need to take this plywood to
see "The General"'
:)
patrick conroy wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:00:41 +0100, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>None of the B&D pieces of junk I've bought in the last 10 years is
>>still working.
>
> C'mon - they make a heck of a toaster oven!
Hope it's better than their rice steamer. I went through two of those and
said to Hell with it and spent the bucks for Japanese home-market
Panasonic.
> And their Weed-Whacker's pretty good too! :)
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
I saw one being assembled in my local woodcraft the other day. On the back
it stated "assembled in USA from foreign and US components"
The motor was made in Brazil (looked awfully small for a 3 hp) and the
trunion castings looked a lot like the Jet cabinet saw castings.
The guy putting it together was having a hard time putting the switch on.
Seems that the switch was different than what the directions showed and he
was going to have to drill some holes to make it fit. For what one of those
saws costs, you would expect not to have to drill holes to put it together.
Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
Chris
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kv_ad.3307$EZ.2384@okepread07...
> As I posted earlier, the famous Unisaw appears to be heading into decline.
> However, this post is really disheartening.
>
> Sorry about your problem. Can I suggest you take a look at Jet or
Grizzly?
>
>
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:00:41 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>None of the B&D pieces of junk I've bought in the last 10 years is
>still working.
C'mon - they make a heck of a toaster oven!
And their Weed-Whacker's pretty good too! :)
Maybe the problem was we were getting the $25 B&D irons from Service
Merchandise. :) Over a few year period I think we went through 4.
David
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Don't know about that; we just got a Cuisinart convection toaster oven,
>>rated number one by CR! :) Besides, I can't even remember how many
>>defective B&D irons my family went through until we switched to Rowenta.
>>
>
>
> I find B & D irons ($9.97 at WalMart) to be excellent. I buy four at a time
> at work. They are on 24 hours a day and we use them to seal plastic bags.
> In 10 years, I can recall one that burned out after a few weeks, another
> that burned out in a day. All the others last until dropped on the concrete
> floor a few times. At any give time we may have six or eight irons going.
> In a day, they are used more than most homes use them in a six months. Used
> to by the S365 and now buy the cheaper S220.
>
>
>
michael baker wrote:
>I would be surprised if Delta reps don't keep a finger on this board.
Interestingly enough there was a Delta tech guy that used to
hang out on one of the magazine sponsored forums. He did a
lot for people there and never did anything to embarrass the
company. He was probably one of the most respected posters.
Anyway, one day he was gone (from the forum) and via the
back channel it was told that he was told by Delta to not
post. Somehow I don't think Delta has the
insight/foresight/sightfullness to understand things like
"alternate avenues" for keeping the finger on the pulse of
the customership.
>maybe making my experience public will help get their quality control
>back on track - it'd be a shame for the Delta brand name to suffer
>lasting tarnish. ;-)
They will cease business before they ever confront their own
problems. OK, that's a lie. They'll cease business and
then blame it all on imported machinery.
It's never their fault. No really. It was in all the
papers.
UA100
Don't know about that; we just got a Cuisinart convection toaster oven,
rated number one by CR! :) Besides, I can't even remember how many
defective B&D irons my family went through until we switched to Rowenta.
David
patrick conroy wrote:
> C'mon - they make a heck of a toaster oven!
> And their Weed-Whacker's pretty good too! :)
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:00:41 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:46:47 -0400, "Chris C" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
>
>You reckon ?
>
>The last B&D drill I have in working order is over 30 years old.
>
>The one I actually use is a Bridges that's 50 years old.
>
>None of the B&D pieces of junk I've bought in the last 10 years is
>still working.
Depends on what you get- I've only got two B & D tools, a handheld
jigsaw and a stationary (sort of) miter saw. The jigsaw is the worst
[jigsaw] POS I've ever had the misfortune to use, but the miter saw is
a beauty. For $100 the thing looks and feels like a DeWalt, and is
one of the more heavily used pieces of equipment in my shop.
Seems like after they bought DeWalt, the Black and Decker quality went
up- might happen again after they buy out Delta, but who knows? At
any rate, I don't like all this mega-consolidation, so I'm planning to
purchase from Grizzly in the future- at least until Black and Decker
buys them, too! :(
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Don't know about that; we just got a Cuisinart convection toaster oven,
> rated number one by CR! :) Besides, I can't even remember how many
> defective B&D irons my family went through until we switched to Rowenta.
>
I find B & D irons ($9.97 at WalMart) to be excellent. I buy four at a time
at work. They are on 24 hours a day and we use them to seal plastic bags.
In 10 years, I can recall one that burned out after a few weeks, another
that burned out in a day. All the others last until dropped on the concrete
floor a few times. At any give time we may have six or eight irons going.
In a day, they are used more than most homes use them in a six months. Used
to by the S365 and now buy the cheaper S220.
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Chris C wrote:
> >the trunion castings looked a lot like the Jet cabinet saw castings.
What I meant was, they had that generic unisaw look to it just like the Jet
and other knock offs.
Having just restored a 42 unisaw, I can tell the difference between the real
McCoy and one of the copies. The one I looked at was a left tilt, which if
you have compaired prices on the internals, the left tilt parts are oddly a
lot less than the right tilt parts. One would have to assume that when Delta
decided to jump on the left tilt bandwagon, they just went to taiwan and
knocked on the door of one of the factories pumping out unisaw clones. On a
strictly business level, you could pay some good old Americans to make up
the patterns and produce the left tilt castings and eat all of the tooling
cost or you could just contact Grizzly's supplier who is already producing.
Of course the quality probably won't be the same, but old joe wooddorker who
is drooling over Norm's shiny new Uni probably won't know the difference.
I still find it funny that just about every "cabinet saw" is just a clone of
of a saw that was first produced in 1939. It says a lot for the integrity of
that design.
I am not all that optimistic about the B&D deal, but the Dewalt tools I have
have held up well so maybe... could it get much worse???
Chris C.
>
> Probably a good reason for this is onna 'count of the Jet
> was backwards injineered using a Unisaw.
>
> Still, your statement is correct.
>
>
> >Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
>
>
> Only time will tell.
>
> UA100
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:46:47 -0400, "Chris C" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lets hope that B&D will improve things......
You reckon ?
The last B&D drill I have in working order is over 30 years old.
The one I actually use is a Bridges that's 50 years old.
None of the B&D pieces of junk I've bought in the last 10 years is
still working.
>> Chris C wrote:
>
> I still find it funny that just about every "cabinet saw" is just a clone
> of
> of a saw that was first produced in 1939. It says a lot for the integrity
> of
> that design.
This is exactly what makes this string, especially the lead-in post, so
depressing. The Unisaw is a legend and the older machines are sought after
for use and restoration. It is tragic to let a machine like the Unisaw be
the subject of this kind of discussion.
I seriously doubt if Black and Decker is going to fix it. I purchased a
couple of their sanders during the mid 1970's and used them constantly.
They were the best all purpose sanders I have owned and would remove paint
fast. The second finally crapped out about 5-6 years ago. Their new ones
won't come close.