Stains: Where to get Dye stains without internet ordering

Dave,
Woodcraft carries the TransFast WB dyes and I believe the TransTint (alc
based) powders. Call to be sure of stock.

The light fastness of the dyes is for all practical purposes "forever"
if used inside where there is minimal UV.

-Bruce


Bay Area Dave wrote:
> nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
> access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
> know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
> suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
>
> dave



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I go to them on occasion for power tools when they have a good sale
price. Their stock of finishing products is on several shelves in the
back of the store and look like they have been on the shelves for
decades. When I first went there 8 years ago they had dusty cans of
shellac that are still there today.

Hopefully mail order stuff is fresher...
-Bruce


Leon wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>How about Woodworkers Supply? I just called them for a catalog. ever
>>use them, Leon? I've got a Rockler and Woodcraft catalog in my office;
>>I'll take a look to see if there are color samples.
>
>
>
> Woodworkers supply of New Mexico and so on? Yes I have used them on
> occasion. I find their prices high compared to where I normally buy. IIRC
> they did carry Bartleys products.. I seldom order any thing through
> catalogs anymore unless that is the only way to get the product. Living in
> Houston I have a vast array of local suppliers.
>
>



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Dave check the Rockler and the Woodcraft web sites.


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
> access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
> know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
> suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
>
> dave
>
> Doug Miller wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
> >>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
> >>
> >
> > The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
> > somewhere?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
> >
> > For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> > send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
> >
> >
>

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pWK0c.32171$%[email protected]...
> BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
> bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.
>
>
> dave


I Copernicked and found it. Google is just on of many, many search engines
that it uses.

I searched for Bartley Gel Stain and these search engines found the site.

AOL Search, Yahoo!, HotBot, FAST Search (alltheweb.com), and AltaVista all
found the site.

I tried altavista and found it. and here I thought Google was the best
search engine. What was I thinking???

what is Copernicked? haven't heard that term.

dave

Leon wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:pWK0c.32171$%[email protected]...
>
>>BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
>>bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.
>>
>>
>>dave
>
>
>
> I Copernicked and found it. Google is just on of many, many search engines
> that it uses.
>
> I searched for Bartley Gel Stain and these search engines found the site.
>
> AOL Search, Yahoo!, HotBot, FAST Search (alltheweb.com), and AltaVista all
> found the site.
>
>

How about Woodworkers Supply? I just called them for a catalog. ever
use them, Leon? I've got a Rockler and Woodcraft catalog in my office;
I'll take a look to see if there are color samples.

dave

Leon wrote:

> Dave check the Rockler and the Woodcraft web sites.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
>>access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
>>know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
>>suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>
> Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
>>>>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
>>>somewhere?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards,
>>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>>>
>>>For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
>>>send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
> gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>
Transtint is on the shelf at Woodcraft in Dublin, right up the freeway from
you. Or at least it was in November, when I bought some.

Bartley's is regularly stocked at Rockler's only Bay Area store, in
Pleasant Hill. I haven't used their gel stain, but the gel varnish looks
really fine on some nicely figured maple.... Rockler's also has a good
selection of another brand of dyes, not Transtint, which name escapes me
right now.

Patriarch

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How about Woodworkers Supply? I just called them for a catalog. ever
> use them, Leon? I've got a Rockler and Woodcraft catalog in my office;
> I'll take a look to see if there are color samples.


Woodworkers supply of New Mexico and so on? Yes I have used them on
occasion. I find their prices high compared to where I normally buy. IIRC
they did carry Bartleys products.. I seldom order any thing through
catalogs anymore unless that is the only way to get the product. Living in
Houston I have a vast array of local suppliers.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:04:05 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

|Thanks, Leon! I tried to find them online and couldn't. I called the
|800 from bartleycollection.com and they said it's pigment. that's why
|the sample looks similar to my current results. So that's out.
|
|what's left; TransFast, as Bruce mentioned, but they don't have a
|fruitwood color. I'd have to blend several colors together; forget that.
|
|BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
|bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.
|
|
|dave

You can always try:

http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/

Go to the forum and get your questions answered, often by Jeff Jewitt
himself.


Wes

nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
>>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>>
>
> The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
> somewhere?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
> For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>
>

Copernic has been around for some time now. I have been using the pro
version for years.
There is a free version here if you want to try it out. I think in the
versions that you pay for, the program will find the links and make sure
that they are valid and automatically edit out the bad links.

http://www.copernic.com/en/products/agent/choose.html

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I tried altavista and found it. and here I thought Google was the best
> search engine. What was I thinking???
>
> what is Copernicked? haven't heard that term.
>
> dave
>
> Leon wrote:
>
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:pWK0c.32171$%[email protected]...
> >
> >>BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
> >>bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.
> >>
> >>
> >>dave
> >
> >
> >
> > I Copernicked and found it. Google is just on of many, many search
engines
> > that it uses.
> >
> > I searched for Bartley Gel Stain and these search engines found the
site.
> >
> > AOL Search, Yahoo!, HotBot, FAST Search (alltheweb.com), and AltaVista
all
> > found the site.
> >
> >
>

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> How about Woodworkers Supply? I just called them for a catalog. ever
> use them, Leon? I've got a Rockler and Woodcraft catalog in my office;
> I'll take a look to see if there are color samples.
>

Yeah - I've used the JE Moser waterbased dyes exclusively for about a year
now. I'm happy - but also too new at this to know better! :)

Since you said "without 'net ordering" - I'm not sure if you're willing to
drive there. IIRC, they're N and S of me - New Mexico and Wyoming.

Our local Woodcraft has TransTint.

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>
The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
somewhere?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com

Not for sure but if I had to guess I would say pigmented.
You might send an e-mail to them [email protected]
or visit the site http://www.bartleycollection.com/finish.htm


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> is Bartley Gel stains pigment or dye based? the sample images of the
> colors appear to me to indicate the results I get from a pigment stain
> such as Bonakemi's (similar in appearance to Minwhacks). here is the
> link to the images:
> http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=875-212&LARGEVIEW=ON
>
> see the prominent grain in the Golden Oak sample? that's NOT what I'm
> after; that's what I already get with what I'm using.
>
> dave
>
>
> Leon wrote:
>
> > Dave check the Rockler and the Woodcraft web sites.
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
> >>access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
> >>know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
> >>suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Doug Miller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
> >
> > Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>>>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains,
THICK
> >>>>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
> >>>somewhere?
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Regards,
> >>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
> >>>
> >>>For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> >>>send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

is Bartley Gel stains pigment or dye based? the sample images of the
colors appear to me to indicate the results I get from a pigment stain
such as Bonakemi's (similar in appearance to Minwhacks). here is the
link to the images:
http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=875-212&LARGEVIEW=ON

see the prominent grain in the Golden Oak sample? that's NOT what I'm
after; that's what I already get with what I'm using.

dave


Leon wrote:

> Dave check the Rockler and the Woodcraft web sites.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
>>access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
>>know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
>>suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>
> Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains, THICK
>>>>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
>>>somewhere?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards,
>>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>>>
>>>For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
>>>send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

thanks Wes, but now that I know they are pigment stains, they are off my
short list.

dave

Wes Stewart wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:04:05 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> |Thanks, Leon! I tried to find them online and couldn't. I called the
> |800 from bartleycollection.com and they said it's pigment. that's why
> |the sample looks similar to my current results. So that's out.
> |
> |what's left; TransFast, as Bruce mentioned, but they don't have a
> |fruitwood color. I'd have to blend several colors together; forget that.
> |
> |BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
> |bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.
> |
> |
> |dave
>
> You can always try:
>
> http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/
>
> Go to the forum and get your questions answered, often by Jeff Jewitt
> himself.
>
>
> Wes

Thanks, Leon! I tried to find them online and couldn't. I called the
800 from bartleycollection.com and they said it's pigment. that's why
the sample looks similar to my current results. So that's out.

what's left; TransFast, as Bruce mentioned, but they don't have a
fruitwood color. I'd have to blend several colors together; forget that.

BTW, how did you find that website? I Googled "Bartley stain" and got a
bunch of sites selling it, but not the mfgr.


dave



Leon wrote:

> Not for sure but if I had to guess I would say pigmented.
> You might send an e-mail to them [email protected]
> or visit the site http://www.bartleycollection.com/finish.htm
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>is Bartley Gel stains pigment or dye based? the sample images of the
>>colors appear to me to indicate the results I get from a pigment stain
>>such as Bonakemi's (similar in appearance to Minwhacks). here is the
>>link to the images:
>>http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=875-212&LARGEVIEW=ON
>>
>>see the prominent grain in the Golden Oak sample? that's NOT what I'm
>>after; that's what I already get with what I'm using.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>
>>Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dave check the Rockler and the Woodcraft web sites.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>nope! we haven't got much out here, including high speed internet
>>>>access! 40 miles away there is a Woodcraft. that's about it that I
>>>>know of. Rockler's closest store is 61 miles away. In fact, Mapquest
>>>>suggests, "why drive when you can fly". LOL!
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
>>>
>>>Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Guys, what chains or Bay Area local stores might have dye stains,
>
> THICK
>
>>>>>>gel stains and TransTint. I don't want to use Minwhacks gel stain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Rockler store in Indianapolis has dyes. You got a Rockler out there
>>>>>somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>>>>>
>>>>>For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
>>>>>send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> yup, from NM. I don't like ordering online either. That is
> particularly difficult to do when trying to pick from a small color
> sample onscreen. If I get the wrong color, of course I'm stuck with it.
>

Download the PDF file and zoom in. It helps alittle.

BTW: the "color" depends on your dilution rate; how many coats you apply
etc. I use the color charts as a rough guide. Then I usually mix a teaspoon
in about 8oz of hot water.

Amazing how far the stuff goes.

yup, from NM. I don't like ordering online either. That is
particularly difficult to do when trying to pick from a small color
sample onscreen. If I get the wrong color, of course I'm stuck with it.

dave

Leon wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>How about Woodworkers Supply? I just called them for a catalog. ever
>>use them, Leon? I've got a Rockler and Woodcraft catalog in my office;
>>I'll take a look to see if there are color samples.
>
>
>
> Woodworkers supply of New Mexico and so on? Yes I have used them on
> occasion. I find their prices high compared to where I normally buy. IIRC
> they did carry Bartleys products.. I seldom order any thing through
> catalogs anymore unless that is the only way to get the product. Living in
> Houston I have a vast array of local suppliers.
>
>