OT Someone in Power with BALLS !!!!

On May 9, 2:58=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil Brooks wrote:
> > On May 9, 12:16 pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> > Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone tha=
t
> >> > hires
> >> > them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a millio=
n
> >> > dollar
> >> > property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped =
to
> >> > have
> >> > lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lu=
nch
> >> > crap
> >> > in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?
>
> >> So if a crew of white multi-generation Americans had done the same (wh=
ich
> >> wouldn't have been so unusual) would you blame the entire American
> >> culture?
>
> > You DO seem to understand the fundamentals of racism.
>
> > Contractors -- in LARGE numbers -- are slobs. =A0You go looking around
> > ANY jobsite -- regardless of ethnicity of the workers -- and there is
> > SHIT ... everywhere.
>
> > Congrats to Evodawg: you're an idiot.
>
> Screw you, I am a Contractor and the ones Ive dealt with have pride in wh=
at
> they do. Never seen a white, black or Asian group of workers leave a
> perfectly clean environment trashed without the intentions of returning
> right away to clean up the mess.
> Its obvious you have never been to Mexico. The Beach's are trashed, most =
of
> the homes if thats what you call them have shit everywhere. In order to l=
ive
> a somewhat normal life in Mexico you better have a 20 foot wall surroundi=
ng
> you home. Sound familiar, what most Americans want surrounding their
> Country! What a CONTRAST.... Wonder why that is?
> --

Dunno. Drive around Southwest Virginia and note the roadsides. Crap
everywhere. Hang around with some rednecks for a bit, and discocver
that the trash comes from them, because their damned vehicle floors
are too full of junk to take any more. It isn't the illegals, the few
we have, nor is it the African Americans, at least no larger a
percentage than it is the whites.

Shitheads abound in every race and culture and always have, probably
always will.

In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Whole world needs a leader like this!

Whole world needs fewer gullible fools passing along bullshit in email
and via newsgroups.

--
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s
money.” - Margaret Thatcher

In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Whole world needs a leader like this!
> >
> > Whole world needs fewer gullible fools passing along bullshit in email
> > and via newsgroups.
> >
> Ya know I knew I was going to get shit about this but I don't give a shit
> what you think! Matter of fact I vow to become as Politically Incorrect as I
> possibly can. Because I have had it with this touchy feeley bullshit that
> has infested this country and the world!

It's not PC, it's that what you posted was bullshit and never happened.

--
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s
money.” - Margaret Thatcher

In article
<[email protected]>,
Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

> Be grateful you live in a wealthy country that provides sanitation
> services.

So if the government doesn't clean up your shit, it's okay to live
surrounded by it, and you have no responsibility to clean it up
yourself?

--
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s
money.” - Margaret Thatcher

In article
<[email protected]>,
Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 9, 5:29 pm, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>
> wrote:
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> >
> > Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Be grateful you live in a wealthy country that provides sanitation
> > > services.
> >
> > So if the government doesn't clean up your shit, it's okay  to live
> > surrounded by it, and you have no responsibility to clean it up
>
> Your words, not mine.
>
> Almost every Mexican village I've visited (numerous) has a landfill --
> just like so many American municipalities do.
>
> The slums have trash in their yards ... just like OUR slums have trash
> in THEIR yards.
>
> Weird, huh ?

No, slobs are slobs. Doesn't matter what language they speak.

You seemed to say that the difference was that the lack of
government-provided sanitation was a valid excuse for living in filth.
Did I misinterpret?

--
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s
money.” - Margaret Thatcher

In article
<52e71547-30db-459d-9449-09fd5dd9b83f@k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why does it matter (whether you misinterpreted or not)?
>
> You *ardently* believe what you believe, seem fairly well read in
> nothing BUT what you believe, and -- like most of the crew, here --
> aren't open to any other info or perspectives.

Yep. I am totally closed to other POVs.

That's why I asked if I misinterpreted what you said, right?

Does asking for clarification = closed mind, in your world?

Wow...

--
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s
money.” - Margaret Thatcher

On May 8, 10:13=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> Don't you just love bigotry.
>
> Lew

Somebody wants to move in with you. NYou agree. Next thing you know,
they throw out all your beer, want their own food, and the women walk
around with tents on their heads and get set on fire if they look at
you the wrong way.

You'd want them to leave after a while.

This has nothing to do with bigotry.

On May 8, 9:25=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>
> Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday,
> March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
> radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
>
> Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying h=
e
> supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
>
> 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
> I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we hav=
e
> experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
>
> 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials =
and
> victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
>
> 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanes=
e,
> Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of =
our
> society . Learn the language!'
>
> 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
> political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
> principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
> certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
> offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as you=
r
> new home, because God is part of our culture.'
>
> 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is th=
at
> you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
>
> 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
> every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
> whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, o=
r
> Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
> Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
>
> 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. Y=
ou
> asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
>
> Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , WE will fi=
nd
> the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
>
> If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know
> --
> You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK !
> Mandriva 2010 =A0using KDE 4.3
> Website: =A0www.rentmyhusband.biz

Hear hear!!! I have been e member of that club as long ago as when
Canada accepted my sorry ass.
Some of my relatives, already here, never bothered to adapt. Bread in
"The Old Country" was better and so on.
One night, the whole family was celebrating an uncle's birthday and
they started up again with that shit. Granted, I MAY have been in my
cups a little, but I just lost it. I told them exactly what I thought.
I joined a drama club, looked for a mentor, practiced my diction in
front of a mirror with a tape recorder. I did not want to sound like
one of my relatives. I think I succeeded...mmmm about 95%.
Dresses that make women look like a bag of groceries? Sharia law? Ya
nuts?

Rudd's da man!

On May 8, 9:47=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > RE: Subject
>
> > Don't you just love bigotry.
>
> > Lew
>
> Lew,
> I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had to
> tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
> I have many friends of Mexican ancestry and my wife is the daughter of
> Mexican immigrants but the "new wave" of illegals has created an environm=
ent
> here in EL Paso that is hard to take. =A0I like Mexican food, much of the
> music and some of the family traditions but when my neighbor flies the
> Mexican flag and wants the local schools to fly it as well, I find it
> annoying. =A0I also dislike seeing autos parked in the front yard in a mi=
ddle
> class subdivision and houses painted in gaudy colors. =A0And, mentioning =
the
> music, I prefer to listen to it at a sound level that doesn't travel seve=
ral
> blocks.
> =A0It irritates me a bit to see coarse, vulgar behavior at PTA meetings.
> =A0 I'm sure the local police find it a bit disconcerting when, at a rout=
ine
> traffic stop, they are called names and told about what "rights" the
> offender has.
> It bothers me somewhat when I learn that a significant number of students=
at
> local schools are from Juarez, Mexico and the school district needs to ra=
ise
> taxes to accommodate them.
> The University Medical Center here collects taxes and treats illegals on =
an
> ongoing basis.
> My real estate taxes help to pay the costs.
> I realize that my country and it's culture has plenty of room for
> improvement but I feel confident that the Mexican culture is not a good
> replacement.
> As to religion, I'm tolerant until someone tells me what I "have to"
> believe.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Respectfully,
> Max

25 years in San Diego.
Family house in Baja California.

The sentiments in the OPs chain e-mail nauseate me.

Odd. We TOOK the SW from the Mexicans (Treaty of Guadelupe), by force
and coercion. They were here first.

Odd there are still so many signs of their culture, huh ?

If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
(primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.

We've never won ANY war on supply. Go after demand.....

On May 9, 10:41=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil Brooks wrote:
>
> > 25 years in San Diego.
> > Family house in Baja California.
>
> > The sentiments in the OPs chain e-mail nauseate me.
>
> > Odd. =A0We TOOK the SW from the Mexicans (Treaty of Guadelupe), by forc=
e
> > and coercion. =A0They were here first.
>
> Took? We beat them fair and square in armed conflict!

I sincerely hope that ... one day ... somebody with surprise and
greater firepower on THEIR side tries to apply that same "logic" to
you and your family.

I presume you'll be okay with it.

I mean ... you'd HAVE to be.

You wouldn't want to be a TOTAL fucking hypocrite, now would you ?

Didn't think so.

On May 9, 2:37=A0pm, Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 9, 12:30=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Neil Brooks wrote:
> > > On May 9, 9:23 am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote=
:
> > >> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> > >> I totally agree. =A0Unfortunately the fool living in the White House=
now
> > >> doesn't.
>
> > > Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.
>
> > > The Democrats like the potential voters.
>
> > > The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
> > > labor.
>
> > Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund cam=
e
> > from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised wou=
ld
> > take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House threw=
them
> > under the bus. I see a trend, do you?
>
> You're totally missing the point.
>
> No surprise there.
>
> Re-read my statement.
>
> Formulate reasonable questions.
>
> Present them.
>
> I'll be glad to answer.

Get back on your meds, Neil, you're ramping up again.

On May 9, 5:29=A0pm, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>
wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
>
> Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Be grateful you live in a wealthy country that provides sanitation
> > services.
>
> So if the government doesn't clean up your shit, it's okay =A0to live
> surrounded by it, and you have no responsibility to clean it up
> yourself?

Your words, not mine.

Almost every Mexican village I've visited (numerous) has a landfill --
just like so many American municipalities do.

The slums have trash in their yards ... just like OUR slums have trash
in THEIR yards.

Weird, huh ?

On May 9, 12:30=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil Brooks wrote:
> > On May 9, 9:23 am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> >> I totally agree. =A0Unfortunately the fool living in the White House n=
ow
> >> doesn't.
>
> > Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.
>
> > The Democrats like the potential voters.
>
> > The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
> > labor.
>
> Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund came
> from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised would
> take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House threw t=
hem
> under the bus. I see a trend, do you?

You're totally missing the point.

No surprise there.

Re-read my statement.

Formulate reasonable questions.

Present them.

I'll be glad to answer.

On May 14, 7:12=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I've got a friend right now who is whining in disbelief that Obama
> > appointed someone without judicial experience--he "can't believe it!"
>
> > I sent him some facts about the early Supreme Court, including some
> > Washington (George, not D.C.) appointees with no judicial experience,
> > including a couple of the Founding Fathers.
>
> > No response.
>
> Well, our president campaigned on the promise of cooperation, comity, and
> conciliation.
>
> Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
> leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second appointme=
nt.
> Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the pick - subject=
of
> course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a better country."

ROTFL!

On Fri, 14 May 2010 23:11:16 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>Markem wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 08:12:12 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
>>>leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second
>>>appointment. Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the
>>>pick - subject of course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a
>>>better country."
>>
>> That is a laughable POV there, I mean funny as all hell.
>>
>
> Why is that any more funny than "reaching across the aisle" or, in the
>spirit of "a new tone", letting Teddy Kennedy write your education bill?
>
>/Oh yeah, because *those* things actually happened.

This post reminded me of a phrase I've heard of (not heard) about "the
friendly reach-around". I believe it's quite fitting, too.

--
Work and struggle and never accept an evil that you can change.
-- Andre Gide

On May 9, 12:16=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone that
> > hires
> > them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a million
> > dollar
> > property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped to
> > have
> > lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lunch
> > crap
> > in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?
>
> So if a crew of white multi-generation Americans had done the same (which
> wouldn't have been so unusual) would you blame the entire American cultur=
e?

You DO seem to understand the fundamentals of racism.

Contractors -- in LARGE numbers -- are slobs. You go looking around
ANY jobsite -- regardless of ethnicity of the workers -- and there is
SHIT ... everywhere.

Congrats to Evodawg: you're an idiot.

RE: Subject

Don't you just love bigotry.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RE: Subject
>
> Don't you just love bigotry.
>
> Lew
>


Lew,
I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had to
tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
I have many friends of Mexican ancestry and my wife is the daughter of
Mexican immigrants but the "new wave" of illegals has created an environment
here in EL Paso that is hard to take. I like Mexican food, much of the
music and some of the family traditions but when my neighbor flies the
Mexican flag and wants the local schools to fly it as well, I find it
annoying. I also dislike seeing autos parked in the front yard in a middle
class subdivision and houses painted in gaudy colors. And, mentioning the
music, I prefer to listen to it at a sound level that doesn't travel several
blocks.
It irritates me a bit to see coarse, vulgar behavior at PTA meetings.
I'm sure the local police find it a bit disconcerting when, at a routine
traffic stop, they are called names and told about what "rights" the
offender has.
It bothers me somewhat when I learn that a significant number of students at
local schools are from Juarez, Mexico and the school district needs to raise
taxes to accommodate them.
The University Medical Center here collects taxes and treats illegals on an
ongoing basis.
My real estate taxes help to pay the costs.
I realize that my country and it's culture has plenty of room for
improvement but I feel confident that the Mexican culture is not a good
replacement.
As to religion, I'm tolerant until someone tells me what I "have to"
believe.

YMMV.

Respectfully,
Max

"Max" wrote:

> Lew,
> I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had
> to tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
--------------------------------------------
What part of Los Angeles isn't "near the border of Mexico" enough to
satisfy your requirements?

Lew

"cavelamb" wrote:

> El Paso isn't as big as LA.
> It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.
>
> In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
> So was San Antonio.
-----------------------------------------------
So when was the last time you were in Los Angeles?

A day labor pool assembles every morning in the parking lot next door,
less than 100 ft away from my home.

There are at least two large supermarkets, less than five miles away,
that use Mexican Spanish as the primary language of communication
(It's an adventure when this Midwest hick goes shopping in one of
them).

The manager of my complex uses English as her second language.

The list goes on, but you get the idea.

Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Max" wrote:
>
>> Lew,
>> I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had to
>> tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
> --------------------------------------------
> What part of Los Angeles isn't "near the border of Mexico" enough to
> satisfy your requirements?
>
> Lew
>
>


I'm surprised. Your level of tolerance is admirable.
As I said, "YMMV".

Max

"Max" wrote:

> I'm surprised. Your level of tolerance is admirable.
> As I said, "YMMV".
--------------------------------------------------
It has nothing to do with tolerance or lack of it for that matter.

It has to do with reality.

Many if not most of the people who come to the USA legally or
otherwise,
come here for a better life.

They start at the bottom, do the jobs that no one else wants to do,
often for wages no one else will accept, and in the process find a way
to send
money back home to relive the poverty of family members they left
behind.

What we are seeing today with all this illegal immigration hullabaloo
is out right fear.

For the first time in almost 400 years, white people are about to
loose their majority
status in the USA and they are scared shitless of what is going to
happen.

The switch to minority status is going to happen, it's just a matter
of when.

Don't want too many people coming across the USA border,
eliminate the incentives to come here.

Start by getting a handle on the drug problem.

Secure the existing borders, both north and south.

Establish meaningful work visa programs.

No. I'm not particularly tolerant, just a realist.

Of one thing I am certain, we are all in this thing called life
together and nobody
has yet gotten out alive, so we best learn how to get along.

As my departed mother often said, "Never yet saw a U-Haul following a
hearse."

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
> "Max" wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised. Your level of tolerance is admirable.
>> As I said, "YMMV".
> --------------------------------------------------


> For the first time in almost 400 years, white people are about to loose
> their majority
> status in the USA and they are scared shitless of what is going to happen.
>
> The switch to minority status is going to happen, it's just a matter of
> when.
>
> Don't want too many people coming across the USA border,
> eliminate the incentives to come here.
>
> Start by getting a handle on the drug problem.
>
> Secure the existing borders, both north and south.
>
> Establish meaningful work visa programs.
>
> No. I'm not particularly tolerant, just a realist.
>
> Of one thing I am certain, we are all in this thing called life together
> and nobody
> has yet gotten out alive, so we best learn how to get along.
>
> As my departed mother often said, "Never yet saw a U-Haul following a
> hearse."
>
> Lew

I just knew that we would find common ground. I agree with everything
above.
We have a large Hispanic population in El Paso. The latest figure I'm aware
of is somewhere around 80%.
Most of these folks have adapted to the "American way"; they've become
acculterated. They take care of their property and, in fact, often put the
Gringos to shame. They are industrious and ambitious. Many have successful
businesses. I think you get the idea.
Having said that, there is a recent influx of *illegals* who come here only
because of the "safety net" they've heard about from other illegals.
They bring their culture (some characteristics of which others have
mentioned) and demand "rights" that are not even accorded to *citizens*.
They resent authority because of the abuse of it in their own country. They
depress the wages that are already considered below the poverty level for
basic labor.
I don't "fear" the minority becoming the majority. I resent the likelihood
that our culture will change rather dramatically.
A recent poll taken here revealed that 56% of El Pasoans were in favor of
the Arizona law. That tells me that even the Americans of Mexican ancestry
are opposed to "free borders".

Oh, by the way, I'm not concerned about needing a U-Haul behind my hearse. I
intend to die broke. But in the meantime I resent having to help support
illegal residents. I worked far too hard and for too long to acquire the
standard of living to which I have become accustomed.

Max

"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
>>
>> Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Fuck your "tolerance". If they're here illegally, there should be no
> "tolerance".
>
> --
> See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
> To reply, eat the taco.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

AMEN! What part of "Illegal alien" is incomprehensible?

On May 9, 6:11=A0pm, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>
wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On May 9, 5:29=A0pm, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca=
>
> > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <[email protected]>,
>
> > > Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Be grateful you live in a wealthy country that provides sanitation
> > > > services.
>
> > > So if the government doesn't clean up your shit, it's okay =A0to live
> > > surrounded by it, and you have no responsibility to clean it up
>
> > Your words, not mine.
>
> > Almost every Mexican village I've visited (numerous) has a landfill --
> > just like so many American municipalities do.
>
> > The slums have trash in their yards ... just like OUR slums have trash
> > in THEIR yards.
>
> > Weird, huh ?
>
> No, slobs are slobs. Doesn't matter what language they speak.
>
> You seemed to say that the difference was that the lack of
> government-provided sanitation was a valid excuse for living in filth.
> Did I misinterpret?

Why does it matter (whether you misinterpreted or not)?

You *ardently* believe what you believe, seem fairly well read in
nothing BUT what you believe, and -- like most of the crew, here --
aren't open to any other info or perspectives.

That said ... I think I just cleared it up, on my last post.....

"Neil Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> You're totally missing the point.

> No surprise there.

> Re-read my statement.

> Formulate reasonable questions.

> Present them.

> I'll be glad to answer.

Don't hold your breath, some people are much happier waving a placard and
chanting a slogan since it's way easier than thinking.

Markem wrote:

> On Fri, 14 May 2010 08:12:12 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
>>leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second
>>appointment. Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the
>>pick - subject of course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a
>>better country."
>
> That is a laughable POV there, I mean funny as all hell.
>

Why is that any more funny than "reaching across the aisle" or, in the
spirit of "a new tone", letting Teddy Kennedy write your education bill?

/Oh yeah, because *those* things actually happened.

> Mark

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On May 9, 9:23=A0am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> I totally agree. =A0Unfortunately the fool living in the White House now
> doesn't.

Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.

The Democrats like the potential voters.

The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
labor.

EVERY administration likes the GDP boost.

Looking at this as a purely partisan issue, as you just did, is about
the best way I know of to prove that you're an idiot.

Bravo !

On 5/13/2010 3:28 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:

> The problem arises when people don't bother actually looking for
> evidence but rather assume that they're correct.

Yeah, like CNN, with their BP blowout coverage in the Gulf last week,
with the talking head, pointing to huge bags of live Louisiana crawfish
being purged for the pot, and going on knowingly about how this
"seafood" was going to suffer.

No doubt Boudreaux was around the corner laughing up his sleeve, while
counting his "consultant" fee ...

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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone that
> hires
> them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a million
> dollar
> property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped to
> have
> lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lunch
> crap
> in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?

So if a crew of white multi-generation Americans had done the same (which
wouldn't have been so unusual) would you blame the entire American culture?

Charlie Self wrote:

>
> If you want to believe something badly enough, checking facts becomes
> anathema. Most people just grab at whatever motion that's on the same
> wavelength as their biases.

Or perhaps more appropriate - if something strikes you as odd, or illogical,
that is quite normal until such time as evidence proves it to be otherwise.
Nothing wrong with a reaction that considers some things to be
not-quite-right on the surface. Forget about your notion of what "most
people" do - that's only a convenient tool to justify your own position.
Not even well proven.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On May 8, 9:25=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>
> Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday,
> March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
> radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
>
> Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying h=
e
> supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
>
> 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
> I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we hav=
e
> experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
>
> 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials =
and
> victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
>
> 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanes=
e,
> Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of =
our
> society . Learn the language!'
>
> 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
> political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
> principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
> certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
> offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as you=
r
> new home, because God is part of our culture.'
>
> 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is th=
at
> you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
>
> 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
> every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
> whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, o=
r
> Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
> Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
>
> 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. Y=
ou
> asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
>
> Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , WE will fi=
nd
> the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
>
> If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know
> --
> You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK !
> Mandriva 2010 =A0using KDE 4.3
> Website: =A0www.rentmyhusband.biz

No matter ~who~ said this and at what time, I think our politicians
ought to take up this attitude and let the people who don't like our
way of life take a hike. If they don't like us why bother coming over
and bombing us and raising hell in our country. Stay home and bomb
your own asses. The illegals need to get out too. they're taking jobs
Americans need now even more. I suppose I'll get flamed for this but
who cares...bring it on.

RP

On May 9, 1:00=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 9, 2:37=A0pm, Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 12:30=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Neil Brooks wrote:
> > > > On May 9, 9:23 am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wro=
te:
> > > >> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> > > >> I totally agree. =A0Unfortunately the fool living in the White Hou=
se now
> > > >> doesn't.
>
> > > > Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.
>
> > > > The Democrats like the potential voters.
>
> > > > The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
> > > > labor.
>
> > > Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund c=
ame
> > > from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised w=
ould
> > > take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House thr=
ew them
> > > under the bus. I see a trend, do you?
>
> > You're totally missing the point.
>
> > No surprise there.
>
> > Re-read my statement.
>
> > Formulate reasonable questions.
>
> > Present them.
>
> > I'll be glad to answer.
>
> Get back on your meds, Neil, you're ramping up again.

Various things surely will affect my tolerance for idiots, but ...
whether or not I'm tolerant or INtolerant ... they're still idiots :-)

DGDevin wrote:
>
> Would you like to try living on minimum wage, much less a lower rate
> of pay? No? Kind of ironic for you to suggest others should, isn't
> it.

Whether someone can 'live' on the minimum wage is irrelevant. If that's all
the job's worth, that's all the job's worth.

>
> Please outline the scenario in which these companies have no choice
> but to hire illegals--other than a shortage of Americans willing to
> do those jobs. You feel compelled to defend these corporations, yet
> in so doing you in effect admit they're part of the problem because
> they hire illegal workers who according to you are part of an
> invasion. You can't have it both ways, at least not if you want to
> maintain any sort of credibility.

I don't think it's so much Americans aren't "willing" to do the job - it's
that the employer's can't afford them. There's a big difference between a
Mexican willing to work for ten dollars an hour and an American. For the
American, there's an additional 20% or so of overhead (Social Security
contribution, unemployment and worker's comp insurance, a not-inconsiderable
amount of paperwork, etc.). For the Mexican, it's ten bucks and
hoista-ya-legga.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Max" wrote:
>
>> Lew,
>> I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had
>> to tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
> --------------------------------------------
> What part of Los Angeles isn't "near the border of Mexico" enough to
> satisfy your requirements?
>
> Lew
>
>

El Paso isn't as big as LA.
It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.

In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
So was San Antonio.



--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

"Neil Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1764bd1a-afe0-4b20-b783-027e3dea715a@h20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

> If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
> (primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.

Yup, there is no problem finding illegal aliens, just go to any meat packing
plant, any large agricultural operation, most construction sites and so on.
The govt. largely doesn't do that because the industries which profit from
that cheap labor don't want the govt. messing up their business. Get rid of
the employment opportunities and illegal immigration pretty much disappears.

Charlie Self wrote:
>
> I've got a friend right now who is whining in disbelief that Obama
> appointed someone without judicial experience--he "can't believe it!"
>
> I sent him some facts about the early Supreme Court, including some
> Washington (George, not D.C.) appointees with no judicial experience,
> including a couple of the Founding Fathers.
>
> No response.
>

Well, our president campaigned on the promise of cooperation, comity, and
conciliation.

Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second appointment.
Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the pick - subject of
course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a better country."

Neil Brooks wrote:
>
> 25 years in San Diego.
> Family house in Baja California.
>
> The sentiments in the OPs chain e-mail nauseate me.
>
> Odd. We TOOK the SW from the Mexicans (Treaty of Guadelupe), by force
> and coercion. They were here first.

Took? We beat them fair and square in armed conflict!

Is there some part of "loser" that you have trouble with?

>
> Odd there are still so many signs of their culture, huh ?
>
> If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
> (primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.
>

Capitalism is not the cause of the problem. In fact capitalism could be the
solution (if the government would get out of the way).

The "problem" with illegal aliens, unemployment, and a host of other
difficulties can be easily fixed with the stroke of a pen, saving literally
billions in tax money too boot!

Simply repeal the minimum wage laws.

I think contractors would rather have someone who can work a tape measure
marked in inches or someone who can puzzle out the statement "Hie yourself
and your colleagues to the after-end of the Tahoe and disembark the
victuals."

We've got 15 million illegal aliens and 15 million jobless. Maths is hard,
but most can see the connection.

"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Ya know I knew I was going to get shit about this but I don't give a shit
> what you think! Matter of fact I vow to become as Politically Incorrect as
> I
> possibly can. Because I have had it with this touchy feeley bullshit that
> has infested this country and the world!

Attaboy, don't let anyone tell you that posting made-up bullshit isn't your
right! If you want to believe a bogus chain e-mail written for gullible
mouth-breathers, then you go right ahead and do it, don't let some elitist
college-boy who checks sources and other fairy tree-hugging bullshit like
that tell you what to do! You got a right to be stupid if you want to be
stupid, it's right there in the Constitution, someplace.

"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>> The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
>> labor.
>
> Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund came
> from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised would
> take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House threw
> them
> under the bus. I see a trend, do you?

But you're the guy who quotes fictional chain e-mails as if they were
encyclopedia-grade factual, so your fevered interpretation of current
affairs isn't exactly what anyone with a clue would want to rely on.

On May 8, 9:44=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> > Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>
> > Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesda=
y,
> > March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
> > radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
>
> Like so many of these chain e-mail things, this one is accuracy-challenge=
d.
> This version stitches together statements by a series of people (Australi=
an
> politicians and others) and claims they're all the work of Rudd; an earli=
er
> version claimed they were the words of the previous Prime Minister, John
> Howard.
>
> In general, phrases such as, "If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to=
as
> many people as you know," should be a red flag that the contents should n=
ot
> be taken at face value. =A0I don't know why people fall for these things =
so
> readily, there are almost always warning signs--I guess people like to
> accept something that supports what they already believe.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

Fuck snopes and all rot. I happen to agree with what was in that text
regardless as to who said it.

On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:56:13 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:170104ab-e64c-4520-a975-a32e5ed5c4b1@g21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>On May 8, 9:25 pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>>
>> Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>>
>> Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday,
>> March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
>> radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
--snip--
>Hear hear!!! I have been e member of that club as long ago as when
>Canada accepted my sorry ass.
>Some of my relatives, already here, never bothered to adapt. Bread in
>"The Old Country" was better and so on.
>One night, the whole family was celebrating an uncle's birthday and
>they started up again with that shit. Granted, I MAY have been in my
>cups a little, but I just lost it. I told them exactly what I thought.

One Atta Boy comin' your way, sir. Here in the USA, the Melting Pot
idea is being unplugged, but that's what made America work. 'Tis sad.


>I joined a drama club, looked for a mentor,

Drama queen, eh? I _knew_ it!


>practiced my diction in front of a mirror

Won't you go blind doing that?


>Dresses that make women look like a bag of groceries? Sharia law? Ya
>nuts?
>
>Rudd's da man!

Hooah! Even if the post proves to be untrue, it's a dialog which has
to be spoken, loudly, and heard. Followup below:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp shows it pretty
much true, though spoken in much milder language, but combined from a
few different sources and attributed only to Rudd.

--
The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her
or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and
in the cause and prevention of disease.
-- Thomas A. Edison

On May 9, 12:58=A0pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil Brooks wrote:
> > On May 9, 12:16 pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> > Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone tha=
t
> >> > hires
> >> > them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a millio=
n
> >> > dollar
> >> > property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped =
to
> >> > have
> >> > lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lu=
nch
> >> > crap
> >> > in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?
>
> >> So if a crew of white multi-generation Americans had done the same (wh=
ich
> >> wouldn't have been so unusual) would you blame the entire American
> >> culture?
>
> > You DO seem to understand the fundamentals of racism.
>
> > Contractors -- in LARGE numbers -- are slobs. =A0You go looking around
> > ANY jobsite -- regardless of ethnicity of the workers -- and there is
> > SHIT ... everywhere.
>
> > Congrats to Evodawg: you're an idiot.
>
> Screw you, I am a Contractor and the ones Ive dealt with have pride in wh=
at
> they do.

So, from YOUR limited experience, you're PERFECTLY willing to
generalize to MILLIONS of people ?

Great.

> Never seen a white, black or Asian group of workers leave a
> perfectly clean environment trashed without the intentions of returning
> right away to clean up the mess.
> Its obvious you have never been to Mexico.

I presume you mean ... apart from my family owning a home there for 20
years, my month-long honeymoon, there, and the dozens of trips I've
made apart FROM those cases ?

If THAT's what you mean, then, of course, you're correct.

:rolleyes:

The Beach's are trashed, most of
> the homes if thats what you call them have shit everywhere. In order to l=
ive
> a somewhat normal life in Mexico you better have a 20 foot wall surroundi=
ng
> you home.

Be grateful you live in a wealthy country that provides sanitation
services.

I'm not particularly grateful that people like you live here, but YOU
should be.

You have an incredibly narrow mind, experience set, and perspective,
open to NO ideas or information save for that which you've already
decided.

Shame.

"Gordon Shumway" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> I totally agree. Unfortunately the fool living in the White House now
> doesn't.
>
> Gordon Shumway

Hey, genius, care to explain how come the Obama adminstration has expanded
what was a Bush admin pilot program to identify and deport illegals if "the
fool in the White House" doesn't care about illegal immigration?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111209444.html

D.C. to help U.S. identify illegal immigrants in jail
Federal program checks fingerprints of local crime suspects

By N.C. Aizenman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 13, 2009
D.C. police will be the next department to take part in a federal program
whose ultimate aim is to check the immigration status of every person booked
into a local jail, homeland security officials announced Thursday.

The program, known as Secure Communities, matches inmates' fingerprints
against a federal database so that federal authorities can identify and
possibly remove deportable illegal immigrants before they are released from
custody.

Similar checks are done at all 1,200 federal and state prisons. But
authorities have lacked the ability to do them across the nation's 3,100
local jails.

The Bush administration launched the program as a pilot project in October
2008, and it is being expanded under President Obama as part of an effort to
focus enforcement on illegal immigrants who commit crimes, rather than those
who otherwise obey the law.

"We're excited," said Kevin Palmer, a D.C. police spokesman. "It's going to
enable our officers to have real-time information about the individuals they
have in custody and to help facilitate the removal of dangerous felons from
our communities."

Fairfax County is one of 95 jurisdictions that participate in Secure
Communities, which differs from a national program that deputizes local
police to question suspects about their immigration status. Several county
police departments in Northern Virginia and Maryland participate in that
program.

Similarly, Montgomery County police provide immigration authorities with the
name of anyone arrested for a violent crime or handgun violation.

The checks conducted through Secure Communities are automatic. Fingerprints
of suspects arrested by local authorities, already run through the FBI's
criminal database, are also matched against an immigration database
maintained by the Department of Homeland Security. The system does not flag
illegal immigrants who have not been fingerprinted.

Homeland Security officials announced Thursday that the program had
identified in its first year more than 111,000 criminal illegal immigrants
in local custody. More than 11,000 were convicted of serious crimes such as
murder, rape, and kidnapping. About 1,900 of those immigrants have been
removed from the United States.

Richard Rocha, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the
agency planned to remove the remainder after they have completed their
sentences.

Immigrant advocates have expressed concern that Secure Communities will
ensnare many illegal immigrants who are convicted only of minor crimes or of
nothing at all.

On 05/13/2010 01:51 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to believe something badly enough, checking facts becomes
>> anathema. Most people just grab at whatever motion that's on the same
>> wavelength as their biases.
>
> Or perhaps more appropriate - if something strikes you as odd, or illogical,
> that is quite normal until such time as evidence proves it to be otherwise.

The problem arises when people don't bother actually looking for
evidence but rather assume that they're correct.

Chris

On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:13:04 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>RE: Subject
>
>Don't you just love bigotry.

OK, Lew. Please feel free to leave, too.

--
Live forever or die in the attempt.
-- Joseph Heller, Catch 22

On 5/9/2010 1:58 PM, Evodawg wrote:

> Screw you, I am a Contractor and the ones Ive dealt with have pride in what
> they do. Never seen a white, black or Asian group of workers leave a
> perfectly clean environment trashed without the intentions of returning
> right away to clean up the mess.
> Its obvious you have never been to Mexico. The Beach's are trashed, most of
> the homes if thats what you call them have shit everywhere. In order to live
> a somewhat normal life in Mexico you better have a 20 foot wall surrounding
> you home. Sound familiar, what most Americans want surrounding their
> Country! What a CONTRAST.... Wonder why that is?

Indeed, it's like picking up after children on a job site these days.

Certainly not every crew is like that, but enough are to make a strong
generalization based in reality, especially when you do the picking up.

There is no doubt that with the advent of a mostly hispanic work force a
bigger part of my day is spent policing a construction site ... seems
it's mostly based on the cultural mores where you come from, where
picking up your own mess is simply not a part of your upbringing or
considered important ... but working your butt off _is_ important, and
that they do better than most. Although I suspect that some of the mess
is intentional and based on La Raza attitudes.

Hell, I'll begrudge you cleaning up a bit of a mess for a full day of
the kind of work that you won't find most raised in this country doing
cheerfully.

All the above notwithstanding, and here's another generalization for
you: these are some of the most _personally_ clean folks I've ever
worked with.

Ride to the job site with most of a morning, in the confines of a truck
cab, and what you smell is a strong bath soap and clean clothes ... not
something you generally find with some other "cultures", including my
own, that I've had the nose displeasure of working with.

My tuppence, YMMV, FWIW ... but I mostly live the experience daily.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On May 9, 3:05=A0am, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>
wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> > > Whole world needs fewer gullible fools passing along bullshit in emai=
l
> > > and via newsgroups.
>
> > Ya know I knew I was going to get shit about this but I don't give a sh=
it
> > what you think! Matter of fact I vow to become as Politically Incorrect=
as I
> > possibly can. Because I have had it with this touchy feeley bullshit th=
at
> > has infested this country and the world!
>
> It's not PC, it's that what you posted was bullshit and never happened.
>
> --
> =93The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peo=
ple=92s
> money.=94 - Margaret Thatcher

I get stuff like this from far too many of my friends. When you call
them on it, they contest Snopes saying it's obviously left wing. Then,
when Fact or Fiction says the same thing Snopes does, they don't
respond.

I've got a friend right now who is whining in disbelief that Obama
appointed someone without judicial experience--he "can't believe it!"

I sent him some facts about the early Supreme Court, including some
Washington (George, not D.C.) appointees with no judicial experience,
including a couple of the Founding Fathers.

No response.

If you want to believe something badly enough, checking facts becomes
anathema. Most people just grab at whatever motion that's on the same
wavelength as their biases.

On Sun, 9 May 2010 08:10:13 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Max" wrote:
>>
>>> Lew,
>>> I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had to
>>> tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
>> --------------------------------------------
>> What part of Los Angeles isn't "near the border of Mexico" enough to
>> satisfy your requirements?
>
>I'm surprised. Your level of tolerance is admirable.
>As I said, "YMMV". ---------

I believe you misspelled "lamentable", Max.

Calilfornia schools, courts, prisons, MediCAL, and hospital ERs are
all sinking under the weight of the illegals, yet Lew is saying that
all is just peachy in HelL.A. You see that as admirable?

--
The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her
or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and
in the cause and prevention of disease.
-- Thomas A. Edison

On Sun, 09 May 2010 08:50:35 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>On 5/9/2010 2:27 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "cavelamb" wrote:
>>
>>> El Paso isn't as big as LA.
>>> It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.
>>>
>>> In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
>>> So was San Antonio.
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> So when was the last time you were in Los Angeles?
>>
>> A day labor pool assembles every morning in the parking lot next door,
>> less than 100 ft away from my home.
>>
>> There are at least two large supermarkets, less than five miles away,
>> that use Mexican Spanish as the primary language of communication
>> (It's an adventure when this Midwest hick goes shopping in one of
>> them).
>>
>> The manager of my complex uses English as her second language.
>>
>> The list goes on, but you get the idea.
>>
>> Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.
>>
>> Lew
>
>Fuck your "tolerance". If they're here illegally, there should be no "tolerance".

Right. Just enforce the existing laws, damnit. And where the hell is
Homeland Security during this? Spouting that our borders are safe.
Methinks they have Cranial Rectal Inversion disease.

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Lew Hodgett wrote:

> RE: Subject
>
> Don't you just love bigotry.
>
> Lew
If thats what you want to call it then thats what I am!!
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Dave Balderstone wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> Whole world needs fewer gullible fools passing along bullshit in email
> and via newsgroups.
>
Ya know I knew I was going to get shit about this but I don't give a shit
what you think! Matter of fact I vow to become as Politically Incorrect as I
possibly can. Because I have had it with this touchy feeley bullshit that
has infested this country and the world!
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:170104ab-e64c-4520-a975-a32e5ed5c4b1@g21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On May 8, 9:25 pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>
> Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday,
> March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
> radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
>
> Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he
> supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
>
> 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
> I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
> individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have
> experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
>
> 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
> and
> victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
>
> 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
> Japanese,
> Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
> our
> society . Learn the language!'
>
> 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
> political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
> principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
> certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
> offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
> new home, because God is part of our culture.'
>
> 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
> that
> you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
>
> 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
> every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
> whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or
> Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
> Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
>
> 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
> You
> asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
>
> Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , WE will
> find
> the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
>
> If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know
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Hear hear!!! I have been e member of that club as long ago as when
Canada accepted my sorry ass.
Some of my relatives, already here, never bothered to adapt. Bread in
"The Old Country" was better and so on.
One night, the whole family was celebrating an uncle's birthday and
they started up again with that shit. Granted, I MAY have been in my
cups a little, but I just lost it. I told them exactly what I thought.
I joined a drama club, looked for a mentor, practiced my diction in
front of a mirror with a tape recorder. I did not want to sound like
one of my relatives. I think I succeeded...mmmm about 95%.
Dresses that make women look like a bag of groceries? Sharia law? Ya
nuts?

Rudd's da man!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regardless of whether or not the article is real, Rudd is running for
re-election and he is backing and filling all over the place. Just yesterday
he backed off Cap&Trade.

I heartily concur with your sentiments about the "Old Country". I was an
immigrant to the US at 8 years of age and very quickly became acculturated.
Had my moment with the family one evening when I was 16 and my mother was
whining for the umpteenth time about "they didn't do this at Home". Told
them *I* was "home", this country was my "home", not the land of plodders
and dole collectors she constantly referred to as "home" and why did she
stay here if it was all that bad. A nasty but worthwhile experience. The
parents moved back, my sister married an English minister and lives there
and I'm still here - the Last of the Mohicans :o)

"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Evodawg
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>>
>> Whole world needs fewer gullible fools passing along bullshit in email
>> and via newsgroups.
>>
> Ya know I knew I was going to get shit about this but I don't give a shit
> what you think! Matter of fact I vow to become as Politically Incorrect as
> I
> possibly can. Because I have had it with this touchy feeley bullshit that
> has infested this country and the world!

I'm mad as hell ...!

But then, everyone knows that. <:o)

On 5/9/2010 2:27 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "cavelamb" wrote:
>
>> El Paso isn't as big as LA.
>> It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.
>>
>> In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
>> So was San Antonio.
> -----------------------------------------------
> So when was the last time you were in Los Angeles?
>
> A day labor pool assembles every morning in the parking lot next door,
> less than 100 ft away from my home.
>
> There are at least two large supermarkets, less than five miles away,
> that use Mexican Spanish as the primary language of communication
> (It's an adventure when this Midwest hick goes shopping in one of
> them).
>
> The manager of my complex uses English as her second language.
>
> The list goes on, but you get the idea.
>
> Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.
>
> Lew

Fuck your "tolerance". If they're here illegally, there should be no "tolerance".

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Steve Turner wrote:

> On 5/9/2010 2:27 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "cavelamb" wrote:
>>
>>> El Paso isn't as big as LA.
>>> It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.
>>>
>>> In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
>>> So was San Antonio.
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> So when was the last time you were in Los Angeles?
>>
>> A day labor pool assembles every morning in the parking lot next door,
>> less than 100 ft away from my home.
>>
>> There are at least two large supermarkets, less than five miles away,
>> that use Mexican Spanish as the primary language of communication
>> (It's an adventure when this Midwest hick goes shopping in one of
>> them).
>>
>> The manager of my complex uses English as her second language.
>>
>> The list goes on, but you get the idea.
>>
>> Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Fuck your "tolerance". If they're here illegally, there should be no
> "tolerance".
>

Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone that hires
them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a million dollar
property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped to have
lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lunch crap
in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?

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In article <6a41e3b1-65d1-4006-89a2-a3b94f92cdac@s13g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

>Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.

And nobody's going to, either, because:
>
>The Democrats like the potential voters.

and

>The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
>labor.

Therefore, nothing's going to happen unless and until We the People build a
big enough fire under Congress' collective butt.

Neil Brooks wrote:

> On May 9, 9:23 am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>>
>> I totally agree. Unfortunately the fool living in the White House now
>> doesn't.
>
> Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.
>
> The Democrats like the potential voters.
>
> The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
> labor.

Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund came
from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised would
take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House threw them
under the bus. I see a trend, do you?



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Neil Brooks wrote:

> On May 9, 12:30 pm, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Neil Brooks wrote:
>> > On May 9, 9:23 am, Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >Whole world needs a leader like this!
>>
>> >> I totally agree. Unfortunately the fool living in the White House now
>> >> doesn't.
>>
>> > Nobody's done anything about illegal immigration.
>>
>> > The Democrats like the potential voters.
>>
>> > The Republicans -- a subsidiary of Big Business -- like the cheap
>> > labor.
>>
>> Funny statement since most of the Big Money into Obama's slush fund came
>> from "BIG BUSINESS" Think the "hope and change" Obama Care promised would
>> take the strain off of them, instead the idiot in the White House threw
>> them under the bus. I see a trend, do you?
>
> You're totally missing the point.
>
> No surprise there.
Hmmmm, think you're insinuating something here. So I'll just say it.
You idiot, I agree with most of the statement thats why no reply, get it???
No longer Politically Correct..............

>
> Re-read my statement.
>
> Formulate reasonable questions.
>
> Present them.
>
> I'll be glad to answer.

No thanks

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Neil Brooks wrote:

> On May 9, 12:16 pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Exactly, the rule of law!!! The same should hold true for anyone that
>> > hires
>> > them. Watched a group of Mexican landscapers spend hours on a million
>> > dollar
>> > property. After manicuring the grounds to a perfection they stopped to
>> > have
>> > lunch when done eating left for their next job and left all their lunch
>> > crap
>> > in plain view in the front yard. What kind of culture does that?
>>
>> So if a crew of white multi-generation Americans had done the same (which
>> wouldn't have been so unusual) would you blame the entire American
>> culture?
>
> You DO seem to understand the fundamentals of racism.
>
> Contractors -- in LARGE numbers -- are slobs. You go looking around
> ANY jobsite -- regardless of ethnicity of the workers -- and there is
> SHIT ... everywhere.
>
> Congrats to Evodawg: you're an idiot.

Screw you, I am a Contractor and the ones Ive dealt with have pride in what
they do. Never seen a white, black or Asian group of workers leave a
perfectly clean environment trashed without the intentions of returning
right away to clean up the mess.
Its obvious you have never been to Mexico. The Beach's are trashed, most of
the homes if thats what you call them have shit everywhere. In order to live
a somewhat normal life in Mexico you better have a 20 foot wall surrounding
you home. Sound familiar, what most Americans want surrounding their
Country! What a CONTRAST.... Wonder why that is?
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On 5/9/2010 8:59 AM, Neil Brooks wrote:
> Odd. We TOOK the SW from the Mexicans (Treaty of Guadelupe), by force
> and coercion. They were here first.

Really? You mean the Spaniards didn't conquer the indigenous people that came
before them and take that land for their own?

We took the land that once belonged to the Mexicans, and now they want it
*back*, along with the good life we're living on the land that was once theirs.
And guess what? We're letting them! We're "tolerating" it. What's taking
place is nothing short of an invasion of one country on the part of another,
except that it's not a top-down government-backed military invasion but a grass
roots invasion of stealth and perseverance on the part of a downtrodden people.
And who can blame them? Who would want to stay there when we're just LETTING
them come here?

I have many friends with many deep ties into Mexico. I've heard too many
stories of a growing envy and jealousy within their country of the good life we
have on the land we stole from them. If you think there aren't millions of
people in thousands of desolate little communities all wishing and hoping and
talking about getting their own form of revenge against America, think again.
There's a whole movement out there to infiltrate our country, and they don't
need their government to fight their battle for them; we've given them all the
tools they need.

> If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
> (primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.
>
> We've never won ANY war on supply. Go after demand.....

Ah yes, those EVIL capitalists! If it weren't for them we wouldn't have any
illegal immigration...

And who has the authority to do the "clamping down"? Oh right, the government.
But with what resources? And how effective is that really going to be?
Assuming that *could* be successful, what becomes of the "undocumented
residents" in the aftermath of their lost "employment opportunities"? Do you
think they're just going to go back to Mexico of their own accord? Aren't they
victims now, and aren't we responsible for their well being since we just put
them out on the street without a job? And don't we still have the problem of
needing to apply *more* resources to stop the incoming flow of illegal immigrants?

Wait a minute, what if there *weren't* any illegal aliens to begin with (oh I'm
sorry; "undocumented residents") to feed the employment needs of the evil
profiteering (primarily white) capitalists? Wouldn't those capitalists have to
resort to becoming law abiding citizens once again by hiring regular law
abiding citizens? And what if they weren't further bound by that stupid
"minimum wage" law? Would they then be able to offer their services at a price
Americans are willing and able to pay? No, I didn't think so...

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On 5/10/2010 6:41 PM, DGDevin wrote:
> "Steve Turner"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
>>> (primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.
>>>
>>> We've never won ANY war on supply. Go after demand.....
>>
>> Ah yes, those EVIL capitalists! If it weren't for them we wouldn't have
>> any illegal immigration...
>
> Yup, that's pretty much how it works. No jobs = not too damn many illegal
> immigrants, 'cause they don't come to America just for laughs.

How telling that you completely snipped my preceding explanation of a
completely different reason why Mexicans are coming here illegally, and you
choose instead to focus instead on the Evil Capitalists. Never mind that the
minimum wage and other bureaucratic red tape prevents American companies from
competing in the global economy and making a profit using legal American
workers. We must spend government resources to punish them (and probably drive
them out of business) for hiring the very illegals we can't keep out of the
country because we don't have the balls to treat this problem for what it
really is: An invasion.

> You can walk
> through any meat packing plant and hear almost nothing but Spanish, are we
> supposed to believe the management at that company had no idea most of their
> workers are not legal residents? That's not even a good joke.

So? They're doing what it takes to stay in business. They're hiring people
who are willing to work for the wages that allows them to stay competitive.

>> And who has the authority to do the "clamping down"? Oh right, the
>> government. But with what resources? And how effective is that really
>> going to be?
>
> The Obama administration has expanded a Bush admin pilot program to identify
> and deport illegal aliens who end up in jail, even San Francisco is going
> along with it. So yeah, when the govt. actually *tries* it turns out
> sometimes it is effective.

Oh right, that will make a huge dent in the problem. That's like stepping on
cockroaches you can actually *see* and thinking you've killed them all.

>> Assuming that *could* be successful, what becomes of the "undocumented
>> residents" in the aftermath of their lost "employment opportunities"? Do
>> you think they're just going to go back to Mexico of their own accord?
>
> What part of deported don't you get?

Using the plan you outlined above? LOL! What about the 95% who haven't done
something obviously stupid and gotten thrown in jail? There's all the rest of
your cockroaches right there.

So after we've spent all the money on the "clamping down" program and taken
away all their employment opportunities (and driven the Evil Capitalists out of
business), to get the remaining 95% that weren't thrown in jail we'll have to
spend how much more money to track them all down and get them deported? You've
got to FIND them first!

>> Wait a minute, what if there *weren't* any illegal aliens to begin with
>> (oh I'm sorry; "undocumented residents") to feed the employment needs of
>> the evil profiteering (primarily white) capitalists? Wouldn't those
>> capitalists have to resort to becoming law abiding citizens once again by
>> hiring regular law abiding citizens?
>
> And your solution for bringing this about would be exactly what?

Securing our borders, of course! Imagine each and every one of those illegal
invaders were visibly ARMED as they entered the country. Suddenly, this
changes to a military situation, and we're talking numbers that are on par with
a full-scale military invasion, correct? Wouldn't we then be justified and
compelled to take military action to prevent the invasion? WE ARE BEING
INVADED - what difference does it make whether the intruders are visibly armed
or not? Why is it that the seemingly "peaceful" nature of the invasion causes
us to lay down our guns and turns us into a bunch of tolerance pansies?

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On Thu, 13 May 2010 11:16:36 -0700, Charlie Self wrote:

> If you want to believe something badly enough, checking facts becomes
> anathema. Most people just grab at whatever motion that's on the same
> wavelength as their biases.

You got that right. When facts conflict with beliefs, facts are
ignored. Check the letters to the editor in any newspaper - it's not
just the online folks.

Just this morning, a letter in the local paper castigated someone for
believing the Earth was over 4000 years old. Ah well, it keeps things
amusing.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 14 May 2010 23:11:16 -0700, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>Markem wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 08:12:12 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
>>>>leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second
>>>>appointment. Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the
>>>>pick - subject of course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a
>>>>better country."
>>>
>>> That is a laughable POV there, I mean funny as all hell.
>>>
>>
>> Why is that any more funny than "reaching across the aisle" or, in the
>>spirit of "a new tone", letting Teddy Kennedy write your education bill?
>>
>>/Oh yeah, because *those* things actually happened.
>
>This post reminded me of a phrase I've heard of (not heard) about "the
>friendly reach-around". I believe it's quite fitting, too.
>
Larry, I'm not sure which troubles me more: that you know what that
phrase means -- or that I do.

On 5/12/2010 11:55 AM, DGDevin wrote:
> "Steve Turner"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>> Ah yes, those EVIL capitalists! If it weren't for them we wouldn't have
>>>> any illegal immigration...
>>>
>>> Yup, that's pretty much how it works. No jobs = not too damn many
>>> illegal
>>> immigrants, 'cause they don't come to America just for laughs.
>>
>> How telling that you completely snipped my preceding explanation of a
>> completely different reason why Mexicans are coming here illegally, and
>> you choose instead to focus instead on the Evil Capitalists.
>
> Correct, I didn't join you in your absurd fantasy about Mexicans et al.
> being part of a deliberate invasion. I wonder how many of those guys in the
> Home Depot parking lot know that *really* they're part of an invading army,
> not men looking for day-labor jobs in landscaping or construction? You
> can't get a better secret plan than one in which even the participants don't
> know they're part of it, can you. How about those European illegal workers
> on the east coast--Poles and Hungarians and so on, taking construction jobs
> away from Americans since they work off the books and don't need workers
> comp and so on--are they part of the plot too?
>
> Yeah, there are radicals who make fiery speeches about the
> "reconquista"--but the people who run the border are here looking for work,
> not as part of a political movement.
>
>> Never mind that the minimum wage and other bureaucratic red tape prevents
>> American companies from competing in the global economy and making a
>> profit using legal American workers.
>
> Would you like to try living on minimum wage, much less a lower rate of pay?
> No? Kind of ironic for you to suggest others should, isn't it.
>
>> We must spend government resources to punish them (and probably drive them
>> out of business) for hiring the very illegals we can't keep out of the
>> country because we don't have the balls to treat this problem for what it
>> really is: An invasion.
>
> Please outline the scenario in which these companies have no choice but to
> hire illegals--other than a shortage of Americans willing to do those jobs.
> You feel compelled to defend these corporations, yet in so doing you in
> effect admit they're part of the problem because they hire illegal workers
> who according to you are part of an invasion. You can't have it both ways,
> at least not if you want to maintain any sort of credibility.
>
>>> You can walk
>>> through any meat packing plant and hear almost nothing but Spanish, are
>>> we
>>> supposed to believe the management at that company had no idea most of
>>> their
>>> workers are not legal residents? That's not even a good joke.
>>
>> So? They're doing what it takes to stay in business. They're hiring
>> people who are willing to work for the wages that allows them to stay
>> competitive.
>
> Let me get this straight--those packing plants managed to operate at a
> profit for most of the nation's history with legal workers, but suddenly the
> only way they can stay in business is to hire illegal workers? If every
> meat-packing company were forced to hire Americans, surely that would remove
> any competitive advantage one might get by hiring cheaper illegal workers,
> would it not? Of course that would mean those pork chops on your plate
> would cost you a bit more.
>
> If Americans won't fill those jobs, that seems like a guest-worker program
> such as Bush 43 proposed early in his Presidency would be a good idea.
> There have been such programs in the past, there is no reason to think they
> won't work again.
>
>>> The Obama administration has expanded a Bush admin pilot program to
>>> identify
>>> and deport illegal aliens who end up in jail, even San Francisco is going
>>> along with it. So yeah, when the govt. actually *tries* it turns out
>>> sometimes it is effective.
>>
>> Oh right, that will make a huge dent in the problem. That's like stepping
>> on cockroaches you can actually *see* and thinking you've killed them all.
>
> So first you complain the govt. does nothing, then shown that the govt. is
> doing something you complain it won't work. Some people get off on the very
> act of complaining, it keeps them off the streets I suppose.
>
>>> What part of deported don't you get?
>>
>> Using the plan you outlined above? LOL! What about the 95% who haven't
>> done something obviously stupid and gotten thrown in jail? There's all
>> the rest of your cockroaches right there.
>
> A) I didn't outline a plan, I mentioned one govt. action. B) This brings us
> back to going after employers since that is where you'll find illegal
> workers in large numbers, that part seems to have dropped out of your
> short-term memory. And C) you like to compare illegal aliens to cockroaches
> for some reason, why is that?
>
>> So after we've spent all the money on the "clamping down" program and
>> taken away all their employment opportunities (and driven the Evil
>> Capitalists out of business), to get the remaining 95% that weren't thrown
>> in jail we'll have to spend how much more money to track them all down and
>> get them deported? You've got to FIND them first!
>>
>>>> Wait a minute, what if there *weren't* any illegal aliens to begin with
>>>> (oh I'm sorry; "undocumented residents") to feed the employment needs of
>>>> the evil profiteering (primarily white) capitalists? Wouldn't those
>>>> capitalists have to resort to becoming law abiding citizens once again
>>>> by
>>>> hiring regular law abiding citizens?
>>>
>>> And your solution for bringing this about would be exactly what?
>>
>> Securing our borders, of course! Imagine each and every one of those
>> illegal invaders were visibly ARMED as they entered the country.
>> Suddenly, this changes to a military situation, and we're talking numbers
>> that are on par with a full-scale military invasion, correct?
>
> Good grief. "Imagine" something that isn't real, and then act as if it
> were. Man, what color is the sky on your planet?
>
>> Wouldn't we then be justified and compelled to take military action to
>> prevent the invasion? WE ARE BEING INVADED - what difference does it make
>> whether the intruders are visibly armed or not? Why is it that the
>> seemingly "peaceful" nature of the invasion causes us to lay down our guns
>> and turns us into a bunch of tolerance pansies?
>
> Too funny. You're outraged at what it would cost to find and deport illegal
> aliens, but now you want to spend untold billions to fortify the borders and
> line up troops there. The phrase "cognitive dissonance" comes to mind.
>
> BTW, I have no problem with illegal aliens being deported (starting with the
> hardened criminals), I'd like to see a more secure border and so on. But
> that doesn't stop me from seeing the root cause of illegal immigration, and
> that is the availability of *jobs* for those people. When I hire someone I
> collect multiple documents proving they're citizens and write down the
> numbers on a govt. form. But guess what? The govt. doesn't even
> cross-check to make sure the S/S security on that form actually belongs to
> the person named as being hired! Does that strike you as a serious loophole
> in the system? Doesn't it seem like in the computer age that would be an
> easy check to do?
>
> Illegal workers are here because industry wants them here, companies like
> the cheap labor, and apparently Americans like the cheap food etc. resulting
> from that cheap labor. The last time there was a big immigration crackdown,
> strawberry farmers in Washington state had to plow under their crops because
> they couldn't find pickers. So if *you* don't mind paying more for
> strawberries, okay, let's hire Americans to do that work (at higher wages,
> with workers comp and so on) and everybody is happy. Except you won't be
> happy, you'll be bitching about the price of strawberries.

<sigh> By now this thread is very old and this group moves too fast for me to
keep up, especially since I've been ill and my job has flat-out overwhelmed me,
so I scarcely have the energy to pick apart your lengthy response and I'm
inclined to just say "you win", but I still have a few points I'd like to make.

I wouldn't have argued that the easy availability of jobs isn't the only reason
for illegal immigration if I didn't have at least *some* evidence to back it
up. I know a LOT of people with direct ties into Mexico (Austin isn't very far
away), and I've listened to way too many first-hand accounts to arrive at your
conclusion that they're all just here for the jobs. You do know that a great
many countries don't have much love for America, right? Do you think that
Mexico loves America? The pre-9/11 days of an "invincible" America are gone.
Arguably, that blatant act of terrorism could have been prevented, but we were
complacent and ignored the warning signs. Are there other warning signs we're
ignoring? How many other (perhaps subtle) ways can America's security be
undermined? Should we really be anything less than completely paranoid about
the motives of *anyone* who is here illegally, regardless of what country
they're from?

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On Fri, 14 May 2010 08:12:12 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Had he remained true to his word, he would have said (to, say, minority
>leader Senator Mitch McConnell) "Look, Mitch, this is my second appointment.
>Fair's fair. I think you, and your caucus, should make the pick - subject of
>course to my veto. Let's work together to make this a better country."

That is a laughable POV there, I mean funny as all hell.

Mark

"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Whole world needs a leader like this!
>
> Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
>
> Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday,
> March 17th 2010 to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
> radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Like so many of these chain e-mail things, this one is accuracy-challenged.
This version stitches together statements by a series of people (Australian
politicians and others) and claims they're all the work of Rudd; an earlier
version claimed they were the words of the previous Prime Minister, John
Howard.

In general, phrases such as, "If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as
many people as you know," should be a red flag that the contents should not
be taken at face value. I don't know why people fall for these things so
readily, there are almost always warning signs--I guess people like to
accept something that supports what they already believe.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "cavelamb" wrote:
>
>> El Paso isn't as big as LA.
>> It doesn't have as much capacity to absorb.
>>
>> In fact, it's more *being* absorbed.
>> So was San Antonio.
> -----------------------------------------------
> So when was the last time you were in Los Angeles?
>
> A day labor pool assembles every morning in the parking lot next door,
> less than 100 ft away from my home.
>
> There are at least two large supermarkets, less than five miles away,
> that use Mexican Spanish as the primary language of communication
> (It's an adventure when this Midwest hick goes shopping in one of
> them).
>
> The manager of my complex uses English as her second language.
>
> The list goes on, but you get the idea.
>
> Size of a city has nothing to do with tolerance.
>

Tolerance?

On Sat, 8 May 2010 21:47:42 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> Don't you just love bigotry.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
>
>Lew,
>I suspect that if you lived near the border of Mexico and/or you had to
>tolerate some of the culture as I do you might change your mind.
>I have many friends of Mexican ancestry and my wife is the daughter of
>Mexican immigrants but the "new wave" of illegals has created an environment
>here in EL Paso that is hard to take. I like Mexican food, much of the
>music and some of the family traditions but when my neighbor flies the
>Mexican flag and wants the local schools to fly it as well, I find it
>annoying. I also dislike seeing autos parked in the front yard in a middle
>class subdivision and houses painted in gaudy colors. And, mentioning the
>music, I prefer to listen to it at a sound level that doesn't travel several
>blocks.
> It irritates me a bit to see coarse, vulgar behavior at PTA meetings.
> I'm sure the local police find it a bit disconcerting when, at a routine
>traffic stop, they are called names and told about what "rights" the
>offender has.
>It bothers me somewhat when I learn that a significant number of students at
>local schools are from Juarez, Mexico and the school district needs to raise
>taxes to accommodate them.
>The University Medical Center here collects taxes and treats illegals on an
>ongoing basis.
>My real estate taxes help to pay the costs.
>I realize that my country and it's culture has plenty of room for
>improvement but I feel confident that the Mexican culture is not a good
>replacement.
>As to religion, I'm tolerant until someone tells me what I "have to"
>believe.
>
>YMMV.

Well told, sir. I hail from Vista, CA, 50 miles north of the Mexican
border at Tijuana. Mariachi music and heated Spanish-language
arguments from the apartments next door got so loud that I seldom
opened my windows for fresh air. My legal Mexican friends dislike the
total crap illegals are pulling, too.

In the 27 years I lived in that house, 1 white guy and 3 different
illegal Mexican immigrants broke into (or attempted to break into) my
house. The reason I know this is that all were caught.

I've dated girls of British, Guatemalan, Mexican, Jewish, German,
Polish, etc., and Heinz 57 (like me) descent. Color and nationality
don't deter me from pursuing a fun and pretty girl. People of the
world are all from one race: human. We're all pink inside, too. :)

Lew has called me a bigot, but he doesn't know me from Adam.
From my point of view, I see Lew as unpatriotic, an enabler for the
Politically Correct (PC) shit that's running rampant over our lands.
To him and people like that, I say "Cease and desist, damnit! You're
an active part of the problem we're facing."


Notice to Illegals: If you're trying sneaking into my country, using
our services at our cost, and raising shit, you're going to get shit
thrown right back atcha, Mr. Illegal from any country. Count on it.
If possible, we'll deport you.

And Damn the PCers everywhere!

--
The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her
or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and
in the cause and prevention of disease.
-- Thomas A. Edison

On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:25:27 -0700, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:

>Whole world needs a leader like this!

I totally agree. Unfortunately the fool living in the White House now
doesn't.

Gordon Shumway

Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield
for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim.

"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>> If you don't like illegal immigration, then ... clamp down HARD on the
>> (primarily) white capitalists profiting from their exploitation.
>>
>> We've never won ANY war on supply. Go after demand.....
>
> Ah yes, those EVIL capitalists! If it weren't for them we wouldn't have
> any illegal immigration...

Yup, that's pretty much how it works. No jobs = not too damn many illegal
immigrants, 'cause they don't come to America just for laughs. You can walk
through any meat packing plant and hear almost nothing but Spanish, are we
supposed to believe the management at that company had no idea most of their
workers are not legal residents? That's not even a good joke.

> And who has the authority to do the "clamping down"? Oh right, the
> government. But with what resources? And how effective is that really
> going to be?

The Obama administration has expanded a Bush admin pilot program to identify
and deport illegal aliens who end up in jail, even San Francisco is going
along with it. So yeah, when the govt. actually *tries* it turns out
sometimes it is effective.

> Assuming that *could* be successful, what becomes of the "undocumented
> residents" in the aftermath of their lost "employment opportunities"? Do
> you think they're just going to go back to Mexico of their own accord?

What part of deported don't you get?

> Wait a minute, what if there *weren't* any illegal aliens to begin with
> (oh I'm sorry; "undocumented residents") to feed the employment needs of
> the evil profiteering (primarily white) capitalists? Wouldn't those
> capitalists have to resort to becoming law abiding citizens once again by
> hiring regular law abiding citizens?

And your solution for bringing this about would be exactly what?

> And what if they weren't further bound by that stupid "minimum wage" law?
> Would they then be able to offer their services at a price Americans are
> willing and able to pay? No, I didn't think so...

You seem to be under the impression that putting phrases in "quotation
marks" conveys some meaning other what quotation marks are supposed to be
used for, could you explain what it is?

"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>> Ah yes, those EVIL capitalists! If it weren't for them we wouldn't have
>>> any illegal immigration...
>>
>> Yup, that's pretty much how it works. No jobs = not too damn many
>> illegal
>> immigrants, 'cause they don't come to America just for laughs.
>
> How telling that you completely snipped my preceding explanation of a
> completely different reason why Mexicans are coming here illegally, and
> you choose instead to focus instead on the Evil Capitalists.

Correct, I didn't join you in your absurd fantasy about Mexicans et al.
being part of a deliberate invasion. I wonder how many of those guys in the
Home Depot parking lot know that *really* they're part of an invading army,
not men looking for day-labor jobs in landscaping or construction? You
can't get a better secret plan than one in which even the participants don't
know they're part of it, can you. How about those European illegal workers
on the east coast--Poles and Hungarians and so on, taking construction jobs
away from Americans since they work off the books and don't need workers
comp and so on--are they part of the plot too?

Yeah, there are radicals who make fiery speeches about the
"reconquista"--but the people who run the border are here looking for work,
not as part of a political movement.

> Never mind that the minimum wage and other bureaucratic red tape prevents
> American companies from competing in the global economy and making a
> profit using legal American workers.

Would you like to try living on minimum wage, much less a lower rate of pay?
No? Kind of ironic for you to suggest others should, isn't it.

> We must spend government resources to punish them (and probably drive them
> out of business) for hiring the very illegals we can't keep out of the
> country because we don't have the balls to treat this problem for what it
> really is: An invasion.

Please outline the scenario in which these companies have no choice but to
hire illegals--other than a shortage of Americans willing to do those jobs.
You feel compelled to defend these corporations, yet in so doing you in
effect admit they're part of the problem because they hire illegal workers
who according to you are part of an invasion. You can't have it both ways,
at least not if you want to maintain any sort of credibility.

>> You can walk
>> through any meat packing plant and hear almost nothing but Spanish, are
>> we
>> supposed to believe the management at that company had no idea most of
>> their
>> workers are not legal residents? That's not even a good joke.
>
> So? They're doing what it takes to stay in business. They're hiring
> people who are willing to work for the wages that allows them to stay
> competitive.

Let me get this straight--those packing plants managed to operate at a
profit for most of the nation's history with legal workers, but suddenly the
only way they can stay in business is to hire illegal workers? If every
meat-packing company were forced to hire Americans, surely that would remove
any competitive advantage one might get by hiring cheaper illegal workers,
would it not? Of course that would mean those pork chops on your plate
would cost you a bit more.

If Americans won't fill those jobs, that seems like a guest-worker program
such as Bush 43 proposed early in his Presidency would be a good idea.
There have been such programs in the past, there is no reason to think they
won't work again.

>> The Obama administration has expanded a Bush admin pilot program to
>> identify
>> and deport illegal aliens who end up in jail, even San Francisco is going
>> along with it. So yeah, when the govt. actually *tries* it turns out
>> sometimes it is effective.
>
> Oh right, that will make a huge dent in the problem. That's like stepping
> on cockroaches you can actually *see* and thinking you've killed them all.

So first you complain the govt. does nothing, then shown that the govt. is
doing something you complain it won't work. Some people get off on the very
act of complaining, it keeps them off the streets I suppose.

>> What part of deported don't you get?
>
> Using the plan you outlined above? LOL! What about the 95% who haven't
> done something obviously stupid and gotten thrown in jail? There's all
> the rest of your cockroaches right there.

A) I didn't outline a plan, I mentioned one govt. action. B) This brings us
back to going after employers since that is where you'll find illegal
workers in large numbers, that part seems to have dropped out of your
short-term memory. And C) you like to compare illegal aliens to cockroaches
for some reason, why is that?

> So after we've spent all the money on the "clamping down" program and
> taken away all their employment opportunities (and driven the Evil
> Capitalists out of business), to get the remaining 95% that weren't thrown
> in jail we'll have to spend how much more money to track them all down and
> get them deported? You've got to FIND them first!
>
>>> Wait a minute, what if there *weren't* any illegal aliens to begin with
>>> (oh I'm sorry; "undocumented residents") to feed the employment needs of
>>> the evil profiteering (primarily white) capitalists? Wouldn't those
>>> capitalists have to resort to becoming law abiding citizens once again
>>> by
>>> hiring regular law abiding citizens?
>>
>> And your solution for bringing this about would be exactly what?
>
> Securing our borders, of course! Imagine each and every one of those
> illegal invaders were visibly ARMED as they entered the country.
> Suddenly, this changes to a military situation, and we're talking numbers
> that are on par with a full-scale military invasion, correct?

Good grief. "Imagine" something that isn't real, and then act as if it
were. Man, what color is the sky on your planet?

> Wouldn't we then be justified and compelled to take military action to
> prevent the invasion? WE ARE BEING INVADED - what difference does it make
> whether the intruders are visibly armed or not? Why is it that the
> seemingly "peaceful" nature of the invasion causes us to lay down our guns
> and turns us into a bunch of tolerance pansies?

Too funny. You're outraged at what it would cost to find and deport illegal
aliens, but now you want to spend untold billions to fortify the borders and
line up troops there. The phrase "cognitive dissonance" comes to mind.

BTW, I have no problem with illegal aliens being deported (starting with the
hardened criminals), I'd like to see a more secure border and so on. But
that doesn't stop me from seeing the root cause of illegal immigration, and
that is the availability of *jobs* for those people. When I hire someone I
collect multiple documents proving they're citizens and write down the
numbers on a govt. form. But guess what? The govt. doesn't even
cross-check to make sure the S/S security on that form actually belongs to
the person named as being hired! Does that strike you as a serious loophole
in the system? Doesn't it seem like in the computer age that would be an
easy check to do?

Illegal workers are here because industry wants them here, companies like
the cheap labor, and apparently Americans like the cheap food etc. resulting
from that cheap labor. The last time there was a big immigration crackdown,
strawberry farmers in Washington state had to plow under their crops because
they couldn't find pickers. So if *you* don't mind paying more for
strawberries, okay, let's hire Americans to do that work (at higher wages,
with workers comp and so on) and everybody is happy. Except you won't be
happy, you'll be bitching about the price of strawberries.