I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
email account there, and my newsgroup.
I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.
I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.
I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
you should be fine once that is done.
Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.
I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
Now I can download emails.
HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.
They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
coming in under the old servers and was fine.
--
Jeff
On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I
>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>> phased out.
>
> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire" after a
> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
> (only in reverse).
>
> Bill
>>
>>
>
Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the situation.
While the profit is certainly in the ink, changing designs of cartridges
still makes for ink sales on top of more printer sales and additional
ink sales as most every one looking to buy a new printer has spare
cartridges that will never be used.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:29:47 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 04/29/2014 06:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
>>> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
>>> going to be a Brother.
>>
>> I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
>> Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
>> that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
>> will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
>> the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
>> put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
>> back to life.
>>
>> Funny how experiences differ.
>>
>>
>I have a Brother HL-2040 and an HP F4280 - both cheap as hell and both
>work fine. Having said that, they are both on my linux server and
>scanning and printing are no problem over the home network.
Lexmark is what WAS IBM. Kinda the Lenovo of printers.
My favorite printer of all time is the old OkiData. Their dot matrix
printers were jackhammers. The OL400 and 800 were EXCELLENT laser
class printers - (used LED instead of lazer and rotating mirror) Mine
did all my office printing for 14 years. Had numerous inkjets for
colour printing around the house over that period of time.
On 4/29/2014 10:09 AM, Neil Ward wrote:
> Canon MX459 wireless printer
I'm also in the market for a new printer and was looking for that
supports Apple AirPrint. We use iPhones and iPads in the house, although
the computers are Windows machines (7 and 8.1)
Have had good luck with Canon's thus far, and you can't beat the price
of that one for an all-in-one. (detest FAX, but required for me as many
of my sub's are still in the stone age).
Thanks for the heads up ... that one is now on my short list.
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"Doug Miller" wrote:
> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
> apathetic, they're
> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>
> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
----------------------------------------------------
I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
based on prior experience.
Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
promptly addressed or at least they tried.
After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.
Problem solved.
Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.
Lew
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I had pretty good luck with a laptop from HP. But I don't like their
> printers. Office printers yes, but home printers... no.
> Their drivers suck.
>
> I like the cannon series they have been good, separate color ink wells
> (first to do it).
>
> I had bought my son an HP years ago. Nothing but problems with the
> drivers. They prevented shutdown. Paper was an issue. They had a
> template for their own printer for something. Using it prevented
> printing to the printer.
>
>
I've got an old HP that I use the drivers from Windows Update for. It's
a much better experience, as it just works. If you have the choice,
install the drivers from Microsoft rather than the HP garbage.
Without the HP drivers, the printer actually used up the ink in the
cartridge. The print got so light I had to change it. It was nice to
use up all the available ink rather than having some piece of garbage
software program tell me it thinks I'm out of ink.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Leon" wrote:
> So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.
---------------------------------------------
Two things.
Cold day in hell when I would pay $400 for a consumer
grade printer and it goes without question you buy a NEW device
to replace an out of warranty puter type device.
Over 20 years ago bought a Panasonic 4450I for about
$1,200 as an alternate to an HP printer and worth every penny.
Printed 11-12 pages/minute for hours on end.
No longer necessary in today's market.
Lew
You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
well or is sturdy at all.
I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well and
were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser printers
do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive to feed.
I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out there,
even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them. I saw a
couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays that were
made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by the time you
loaded paper in it a few times.
I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is too
big and expensive.
And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people really
need to copy, fax and scan too?
I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary. And
the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended warranty".
Some of those things would actually double the price of the printer. If I
paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?
If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to move
on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems that most
of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring about $150 to
$200 range.
I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to this
soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and wireless.
Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not fall apart from
occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/29/2014 10:09 AM, Neil Ward wrote:
>> Canon MX459 wireless printer
>
> I'm also in the market for a new printer and was looking for that supports
> Apple AirPrint. We use iPhones and iPads in the house, although the
> computers are Windows machines (7 and 8.1)
>
> Have had good luck with Canon's thus far, and you can't beat the price of
> that one for an all-in-one. (detest FAX, but required for me as many of my
> sub's are still in the stone age).
>
> Thanks for the heads up ... that one is now on my short list.
>
I will take a look at this one too.
Thanks everybody for your input. I installed a HP printer for my wife and
had a lot of problems getting it up and going. I spent hours with an Indian
techie who had a heavy accent and kept reading the manual to me. I finally
figured out the problem myself. Support was useless. The printer has worked
just fine since then though. And she hardly uses it.
But I refuse to have anything to do with driver issues or bloatware. So, no
HP.
I have had good luck with both brother and canon before. I will look around
some more. Thanks again guys. Hearing some stories from others does add to
a little clarity to the issue.
"Chuck" wrote:
> I have an HP 3520. Have had it for over three years and have had no
> problems. It will scan, copy and print. Does photos that look
> professional. I couldn't be happier.
> Also it is network and wireless though I haven't used it that way.
> Got it at Office Depot.
-------------------------------------------------------
Have the same unit that I described in previous post.
Uncovered something useful when bringing unit on line.
HP provides software that resides in puter.
It also provides software that is resident to the printer.
After changing cartiridges, it is necessary to align and test print
to place in service.
If you use the puter resident software, you have a 50-50 chance
it will work.
If you use the printer resident software, works every time.
Found this out from an HP tech service supervisor who really
knew her stuff.
Yes, female.
BTW, this was a 32 bit puter running XP and the printer was
hard wired to the puter.
Lew
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
> this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
> wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
> fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic.
> :-(
>
Printers don't necessarily have to be networkable to work on a network.
I've got a QNAP box that is combination data storage (Network Attached
Storage--great for backups) and print server. I still have to plug the
printer in to the computer to scan, but I only scan once in a blue moon
so it's not a big deal.
It's been a while since I set it up, but I remember having to plug the
printer in to install the drivers then moving the cable back to the
server. Then once the network printer was opened it was set as default
and everything works perfectly.
It might be more than you want to get in to, but it might let you use a
printer you may not have otherwise bought.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 04/29/2014 06:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
>> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
>> going to be a Brother.
>
> I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
> Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
> that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
> will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
> the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
> put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
> back to life.
>
> Funny how experiences differ.
>
>
I have a Brother HL-2040 and an HP F4280 - both cheap as hell and both
work fine. Having said that, they are both on my linux server and
scanning and printing are no problem over the home network.
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.
You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
still impressed with it.
One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
cartridges.
http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
convenient.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>
>> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>
>What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
>numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?
Particularly when half of them are in India, half the rest in aother
third world company where english is not their primary language, and
the rest are american computer-game wizards who THINK they are IT
specialists.
I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .
On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
> email account there, and my newsgroup.
>
> I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
> tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.
>
> I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
> tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.
>
> I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
> Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
> email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
> to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
> you should be fine once that is done.
>
> Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.
>
> I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
> Now I can download emails.
>
> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>
> This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
> months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.
>
> They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
> But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
> Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
> servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
> coming in under the old servers and was fine.
>
>
Any any chance are you using IE?
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/new-security-flaw-affects-all-versions-of-internet-84085229159.html
Old HP printer died a month back...a 960 or something like that. It ran for=
years with no trouble. Needed a printer quick so went to Sam's and pulled =
an HP 7525 off the shelf. I connected it to a PC running XP , inserted the =
setup disc, and off to the races. A few weeks later I ordered an HP tower w=
ith Win 7 since the XP machine served a long life and the motherboard and m=
emory were on the bubble for Win 7. Connected the 7525 and it synched up wi=
th the new tower and runs just fine...no setup cd needed. At present I am v=
ery satisfied but note that I have not had to contact a helpdesk. A very =
similar thread probably made the bulletin boards years back regarding user=
s experience with KayPro, TRS80, Commodore..... =20
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>=20
> tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.
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> I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
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=20
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> you should be fine once that is done.
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> Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.
>=20
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> I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
>=20
> Now I can download emails.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>=20
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> This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3=
=20
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> months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.
>=20
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> They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.=
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> But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
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> Jeff
On 4/29/2014 8:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or
> two. And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that
> reviews well or is sturdy at all.
>
> I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
> and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
> printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
> to feed.
>
> I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out
> there, even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them.
> I saw a couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays
> that were made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by
> the time you loaded paper in it a few times.
Don't let plastic scare you, My last HP was loaded with steel inside and
the scanner locked up.
One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at the
store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses. They
tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why are they
constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I fear the
reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are phased out.
>
> I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
> ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
> bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is
> too big and expensive.
>
> And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people
> really need to copy, fax and scan too?
Any more it is hard to get just a printer/scanner W/O FAX. The copier
is a wonderful function along side the scanner.
>
> I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
> every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary.
> And the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended
> warranty". Some of those things would actually double the price of the
> printer. If I paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?
>
> If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
> move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
> that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
> about $150 to $200 range.
>
> I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
> this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
> wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
> fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(
>
I have never ever had an issue with Panasonic, if you can find one or
Canon. I hear nothing but good about Brother and that may be my next
brand or Canon again.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
> The support on the printers is something approaching average
>- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
>support was incompetent.
You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
HP.
On 4/28/2014 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
>> email account there, and my newsgroup.
>>
>> I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
>> tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.
>>
>> I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
>> tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.
>>
>> I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
>> Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
>> email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
>> to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
>> you should be fine once that is done.
>>
>> Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.
>>
>> I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
>> Now I can download emails.
>>
>> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>>
>> This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
>> months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.
>>
>> They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
>> But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
>> Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
>> servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
>> coming in under the old servers and was fine.
>>
>>
>
>
> Any any chance are you using IE?
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/tech/new-security-flaw-affects-all-versions-of-internet-84085229159.html
>
Never use it... IE is one of the worst piece of crap.
Firefox started emulating them... which has pissed me off. They had nice
features and dropped them.
When at work, sometimes I am forced to use it.. can't stand it.
--
Jeff
On 4/29/2014 1:05 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/29/2014 10:21 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>>>> dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser
>>>> next time.
>>>
>>> You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
>>> old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
>>> I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
>>> still impressed with it.
>>
>> Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
>> getting the Lexmark.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
>>> to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
>>> cartridges.
>>>
>>> http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
>>>
>>> There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
>>> convenient.
>>>
>>
>> I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
>> refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
>> 80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
>> another matter.
>
> I used to refill my cartridges back in the day.
>
> Buying a quart made sense. But now there are so many different brands,
> and getting accurate colors might be a little more difficult.
>
I refilled back in the 90's. That worked fine and then the printer
balked at using the cartridge and that was that.
On 4/29/2014 7:22 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:09:03 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>> Which one/s are you using, Brother laser?
>
> The B&W is an HL5250DN (prints both sides). The color is an HL3070CW.
> Neither are current models, in fact I bought the color one refurbished.
> I suspect this one is as well:
>
> http://www.brothermall.com/Printers/Model/hl3070cw/Specs
>
I suspected that you may have models that have been discontinued. ;~(
Thank you just the same, good to hear that Brother is still getting good
reviews. I should be receiving my new print head and ink cartridges
from Lexmark tomorrow. I still have almost 2 years of warranty left but
this print head issue is becoming more trouble that it is worth.
On 4/29/2014 11:21 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:54 -0400, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
>> and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
>> printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
>> to feed.
>
> I have 2 Brother lasers, a B&W and a color, and I have nothing but good
> things to say about them. They support Windows, Apple, and Linux. I've
> printed 4500 pages on the B&W and I'm still using the toner that came
> with it. I've printed about 400 pages on the color one and it says it
> has 99% left of all the colors.
>
> I know you're looking for a lower cost inkjet, but if you don't print on
> a regular basis you'll wind up replacing a lot of clogged cartridges - I
> know I did.
>
Which one/s are you using, Brother laser?
On 4/29/2014 10:47 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/29/2014 10:09 AM, Neil Ward wrote:
>> Canon MX459 wireless printer
>
> I'm also in the market for a new printer and was looking for that
> supports Apple AirPrint. We use iPhones and iPads in the house, although
> the computers are Windows machines (7 and 8.1)
>
> Have had good luck with Canon's thus far, and you can't beat the price
> of that one for an all-in-one. (detest FAX, but required for me as many
> of my sub's are still in the stone age).
>
> Thanks for the heads up ... that one is now on my short list.
>
FWIW, AirPrint for a little over 2 years now.
http://www.brother-usa.com/PressReleases/AirPrint%20Press%20Release%201%2017%2012_FINAL.pdf
On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
> going to be a Brother.
I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
back to life.
Funny how experiences differ.
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On 4/28/2014 11:35 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.
> ---------------------------------------------
> Two things.
>
> Cold day in hell when I would pay $400 for a consumer
> grade printer and it goes without question you buy a NEW device
> to replace an out of warranty puter type device.
That was inexpensive for what I was getting, so to speak. Legal sized
all in one with 5 different color large inks. It's biggest issues was
software, of course. HP had to help set it up the first time and it was
boxed up ready to go back to the store at one time during the first 24
hours. Just out of warranty the scanner quit moving the light/reader
across the platen and its days of scanning were over.
>
> Over 20 years ago bought a Panasonic 4450I for about
> $1,200 as an alternate to an HP printer and worth every penny.
1986. Panasonic 9 pin dot matrix, followed by 21 pin same brand.
Neither had a problem other than being noisy. Followed by a Canon
BJ-300, black only bubble jet. Fast and was capable of printing very
thin lines. Replaced because color was becoming common.
Then the HP crap, if you will recall the type that did not use tractor
feed paper. As a result, all paper including HP brand paper did not
feed straight and bordered prints always looked crooked. I put up with
that for years until the last HP, which was the last.
Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.
On 4/28/2014 11:50 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
>>>> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
>>>> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
>>>> - - - - .
>>>
>>> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
>>> apathetic, they're
>>> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>>>
>>> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
>>> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>>> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
>>>
>>
>> I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.
>
> My LaserJet HP-1022 has been Far More *economical* than its HP-ink jet
> predecessor.
> A $30-40 generic toner cartridge lasts me more than 2 years. No, it
> doesn't do color--and I can live with that.
I am thinking Laser next time but anything but HP, I'm done with their
attitude. I do need color though.
On 4/29/2014 10:29 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in news:535faf70$0
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
>> And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
>> well or is sturdy at all.
>
> [...]
>
> I've had two Brother printers, ne in my office, one at home, for some years now (one is 4+
> years old, and the other must be nearly 10) -- and have had only one problem of any
> significance, a software glitch that was fairly easily reset. Both are multi-function units (print,
> scan, copy, fax).
>
> Over the years, I've also had several Epson printers, retiring them only when they became
> obsolete. When my son's Canon printer died two weeks after he went off to college (four
> years ago), we bought him an Epson to replace it. Total problem count for all the Epsons
> we've ever owned over all the years we've owned them: zero.
>
> Obviously, I'd recommend either of those brands without hesitation.
>
> The hardware from Useless Bastard is well-made, but their software is s**t: install an HP
> printer, and then spend the next hour UNinstalling all the useless crapware that comes
> along with the printer driver. On top of that, their drivers are poorly written: it's not unusual to
> see an HP printer driver using 50% of the CPU time when you're not even printing anything.
> And the support is about the worst I've ever experienced: apathetic, incompetent, and rude.
>
> I have no comments on the quality of Epson's tech support -- I've never needed to use it.
>
> The few times when I've had questions for Brother's tech support, they've been very
> pleasant and helpful.
>
I had epsons .. I can say that I had nothing but problems with the paper
feed. So much so they replaced it after trying to repair it and failing.
They gave me a lower end model.. I was not happy. That printer was junk
too, as it had problems feeding.
That's when I went and bought an HP for my son. That would be the last
HP printer I would own. Years ago in the office HP was king. Not anymore.
My Canon has to be 8 or more years now. I use it on the network wired. I
prefer wired for the printer. Now they all seem to be wireless. But I
would disable and still go wired.
--
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[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
> - - - - .
HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in news:535faf70$0
[email protected]:
>
> You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
> And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
> well or is sturdy at all.
[...]
I've had two Brother printers, ne in my office, one at home, for some years now (one is 4+
years old, and the other must be nearly 10) -- and have had only one problem of any
significance, a software glitch that was fairly easily reset. Both are multi-function units (print,
scan, copy, fax).
Over the years, I've also had several Epson printers, retiring them only when they became
obsolete. When my son's Canon printer died two weeks after he went off to college (four
years ago), we bought him an Epson to replace it. Total problem count for all the Epsons
we've ever owned over all the years we've owned them: zero.
Obviously, I'd recommend either of those brands without hesitation.
The hardware from Useless Bastard is well-made, but their software is s**t: install an HP
printer, and then spend the next hour UNinstalling all the useless crapware that comes
along with the printer driver. On top of that, their drivers are poorly written: it's not unusual to
see an HP printer driver using 50% of the CPU time when you're not even printing anything.
And the support is about the worst I've ever experienced: apathetic, incompetent, and rude.
I have no comments on the quality of Epson's tech support -- I've never needed to use it.
The few times when I've had questions for Brother's tech support, they've been very
pleasant and helpful.
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
>> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
>> going to be a Brother.
>
> I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
> Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
> that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
> will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
> the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
> put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
> back to life.
>
> Funny how experiences differ.
That's actually not too different from my experience: the HP hardware is fairly well made,
and problems are not frequent. But if you do have a problem... then God help you, trying to
get competent technical support from those clowns.
That's why I call them Useless Bastard: because of their horrible tech support.
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> The support on the printers is something approaching average
>>- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
>>support was incompetent.
>
> You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
> really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
> Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
> No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
> myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
> HP.
Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like "Useless Bastard".
On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
>> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
>> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
>> - - - - .
>
> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>
> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
>
I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:11:26 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
>>> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>>
>> What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
>> numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?
>
>And it's not just online. I read books, magazines, and the daily paper.
>I'm constantly irritated by missing words, mis-spelled words, duplicated
>words (or whole lines or paragraphs), wrong words, atrocious grammar, and
>on and on.
>
>And any article with math or arithmetic in it is as often wrong as right.
>
>I'm sure I make the occasional such mistake, as all of us do. But the
>frequency of such mistakes in printed matter just keeps growing.
>
>Sigh.
Our local daily newspaper is electronically typeset in INDIA and I'm
sure the editing and proofreading that does get done is done there
too. The grammar is getting atrocious, and it is nothing to see an
article end in mid-sentance.
On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Doug Miller" wrote:
>
>> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
>> apathetic, they're
>> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>>
>> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
>> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
> based on prior experience.
>
> Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
> promptly addressed or at least they tried.
>
> After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
> none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.
>
> Problem solved.
>
> Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
I had pretty good luck with a laptop from HP. But I don't like their
printers. Office printers yes, but home printers... no.
Their drivers suck.
I like the cannon series they have been good, separate color ink wells
(first to do it).
I had bought my son an HP years ago. Nothing but problems with the
drivers. They prevented shutdown. Paper was an issue. They had a
template for their own printer for something. Using it prevented
printing to the printer.
--
Jeff
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:17:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
>> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
>> going to be a Brother.
>
>I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
>Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
>that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
>will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
>the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
>put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
>back to life.
The HP's hardware is excellent. The software is a nightmare and
getting worse.
>Funny how experiences differ.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
>> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
>> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
>> - - - - .
>
>HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
>incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>
>I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
A few of their printers are pretty decent - most of them built over 6
years ago -but I have not had good experience with ANY of their other
products. The support on the printers is something approaching average
- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
support was incompetent.
On 4/28/2014 7:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Doug Miller" wrote:
>
>> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
>> apathetic, they're
>> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>>
>> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
>> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
> based on prior experience.
>
> Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
> promptly addressed or at least they tried.
>
> After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
> none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.
>
> Problem solved.
>
> Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
I guess living in California you have learned to be patient. I would
pitch the POS and go with another brand. My absolute last HP printer,
that I paid in excess of $400, was trouble from the word go and the
moment that it went out of warranty there was no repairs from HP to be
had. They did not even want to give an estimate for repairs.
So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.
On 4/30/2014 2:27 AM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>>>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>>>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>>>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I
>>>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>>>> phased out.
>>>
>>> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>>> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>>> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire" after a
>>> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
>>> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>>> (only in reverse).
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
>> cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the situation.
>
> So we could say, they are doing it so that the ink cartridges
> are not "commodotized"--improving the pricing perspective. Same
> game--follow the money.
>
Precisely!
On 4/30/2014 2:41 AM, Bill wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>>>>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>>>>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>>>>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I
>>>>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>>>>> phased out.
>>>>
>>>> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>>>> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>>>> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire"
>>>> after a
>>>> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
>>>> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>>>> (only in reverse).
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
>>> cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the situation.
>>
>> So we could say, they are doing it so that the ink cartridges
>> are not "commodotized"--improving the pricing perspective. Same
>> game--follow the money.
>>
>>
> Kreg would never do that with their "joinery jig" product, would
> they? Upgrade the unit, all of the parts incompatible with the old?
> They wouldn't, right?
LOL. Well, their screws/ink cartridges will work in conjunction with
any model pocket hole jig/printer regardless of model. ;~)
On 4/28/2014 11:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
> going to be a Brother.
>
>
Exactly. Our HP AIO is a decent piece of hardware. The software is
crap. The drivers seem to "disappear". Especially bad with a wireless
network connection. It's visible and accessible on the network - just
will not print or scan. A wired connection works somewhat better.
Sometimes works fine for a month. Sometimes requires re-installation for
every use. Sometimes scanning multiple pages is fine, other times the
scanner gets "busy" and we cannot recover without rebooting both PC and
printer. HP's support forum shows the same problems going back seven
years with no resolutions.
Canon's Pixma series is looking pretty good.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:54 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
>And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
>well or is sturdy at all.
>
>I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well and
>were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser printers
>do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive to feed.
>
>I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out there,
>even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them. I saw a
>couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays that were
>made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by the time you
>loaded paper in it a few times.
>
>I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
>ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
>bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is too
>big and expensive.
>
>And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people really
>need to copy, fax and scan too?
>
>I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
>every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary. And
>the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended warranty".
>Some of those things would actually double the price of the printer. If I
>paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?
>
>If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to move
>on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems that most
>of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring about $150 to
>$200 range.
>
>I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to this
>soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and wireless.
>Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not fall apart from
>occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(
>
>
>
I have Officejet pro 8000 printers with hundreds of thousands of
copies on them, without any issues.
>
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
>> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
>> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
>> - - - - .
>
>HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
>incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>
>I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
going to be a Brother.
On 4/29/2014 9:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> ...snipped
>
> If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
> move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
> that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
> about $150 to $200 range.
>
> I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
> this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
> wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
> fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(
>
>
>
We have a HP Officejet 5610 All-in-One that we have used hard for over 5
years with no problems. Started using it with Win XP now connected to
Win 8.1 still no problems.
We bought a Canon MX459 wireless printer. Less than year old now, it
works with my iPhone, and my wife's laptop, and tablet so far no
problems with the MX459.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
>
> What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
> numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?
And it's not just online. I read books, magazines, and the daily paper.
I'm constantly irritated by missing words, mis-spelled words, duplicated
words (or whole lines or paragraphs), wrong words, atrocious grammar, and
on and on.
And any article with math or arithmetic in it is as often wrong as right.
I'm sure I make the occasional such mistake, as all of us do. But the
frequency of such mistakes in printed matter just keeps growing.
Sigh.
Leon wrote:
> On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
>>> computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
>>> machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
>>> - - - - .
>>
>> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
>> apathetic, they're
>> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>>
>> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
>> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
>>
>
> I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.
My LaserJet HP-1022 has been Far More *economical* than its HP-ink jet
predecessor.
A $30-40 generic toner cartridge lasts me more than 2 years. No, it
doesn't do color--and I can live with that.
On 4/29/2014 9:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or
> two. And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that
> reviews well or is sturdy at all.
>
> I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
> and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
> printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
> to feed.
>
> I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out
> there, even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them.
> I saw a couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays
> that were made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by
> the time you loaded paper in it a few times.
>
> I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
> ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
> bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is
> too big and expensive.
>
> And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people
> really need to copy, fax and scan too?
>
> I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
> every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary.
> And the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended
> warranty". Some of those things would actually double the price of the
> printer. If I paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?
>
> If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
> move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
> that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
> about $150 to $200 range.
>
> I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
> this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
> wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
> fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(
>
>
>
>
>
I have an HP 3520. Have had it for over three years and have had no
problems. It will scan, copy and print. Does photos that look
professional. I couldn't be happier.
Also it is network and wireless though I haven't used it that way. Got
it at Office Depot.
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:33:26 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
> Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like
> "Useless Bastard".
I had a problem with an HP monitor. Called tech support and got a guy
(in the US) with such a heavy Indian accent I only understood every tenth
word. I asked him, politely, if we could continue via email. He
essentially said I could shove it, and not very politely. So much for HP.
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:33:26 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like
>> "Useless Bastard".
>
> I had a problem with an HP monitor. Called tech support and got a guy
> (in the US) with such a heavy Indian accent I only understood every
> tenth word. I asked him, politely, if we could continue via email.
> He essentially said I could shove it, and not very politely. So much
> for HP.
Welcome to HP
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:54 -0400, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
> and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
> printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
> to feed.
I have 2 Brother lasers, a B&W and a color, and I have nothing but good
things to say about them. They support Windows, Apple, and Linux. I've
printed 4500 pages on the B&W and I'm still using the toner that came
with it. I've printed about 400 pages on the color one and it says it
has 99% left of all the colors.
I know you're looking for a lower cost inkjet, but if you don't print on
a regular basis you'll wind up replacing a lot of clogged cartridges - I
know I did.
Doug Miller wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>> The support on the printers is something approaching average
>>> - certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
>>> support was incompetent.
>> You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
>> really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
>> Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
>> No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
>> myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
>> HP.
> Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like "Useless Bastard".
I guess coming up with rhymes for "Comcast" is like shooting fish in a
barrel. I think they are one of the "most-hated" companies (there is a
survey out there somewhere).
Leon wrote:
>
>
> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself.
> I fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
> phased out.
I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire" after a
certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
(only in reverse).
Bill
>
>
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:54 -0400, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
>> and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
>> printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
>> to feed.
> I have 2 Brother lasers, a B&W and a color, and I have nothing but good
> things to say about them. They support Windows, Apple, and Linux. I've
> printed 4500 pages on the B&W and I'm still using the toner that came
> with it. I've printed about 400 pages on the color one and it says it
> has 99% left of all the colors.
>
> I know you're looking for a lower cost inkjet, but if you don't print on
> a regular basis you'll wind up replacing a lot of clogged cartridges - I
> know I did.
I found mine "evaporated".
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:09:03 -0500, Leon wrote:
> Which one/s are you using, Brother laser?
The B&W is an HL5250DN (prints both sides). The color is an HL3070CW.
Neither are current models, in fact I bought the color one refurbished.
I suspect this one is as well:
http://www.brothermall.com/Printers/Model/hl3070cw/Specs
Leon wrote:
> On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I
>>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>>> phased out.
>>
>> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire" after a
>> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
>> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>> (only in reverse).
>>
>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>
> Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
> cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the situation.
So we could say, they are doing it so that the ink cartridges
are not "commodotized"--improving the pricing perspective. Same
game--follow the money.
>
> While the profit is certainly in the ink, changing designs of
> cartridges still makes for ink sales on top of more printer sales and
> additional ink sales as most every one looking to buy a new printer
> has spare cartridges that will never be used.
Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>>>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>>>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>>>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I
>>>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>>>> phased out.
>>>
>>> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>>> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>>> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire"
>>> after a
>>> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
>>> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>>> (only in reverse).
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
>> cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the situation.
>
> So we could say, they are doing it so that the ink cartridges
> are not "commodotized"--improving the pricing perspective. Same
> game--follow the money.
>
>
Kreg would never do that with their "joinery jig" product, would
they? Upgrade the unit, all of the parts incompatible with the old?
They wouldn't, right?
>>
>> While the profit is certainly in the ink, changing designs of
>> cartridges still makes for ink sales on top of more printer sales and
>> additional ink sales as most every one looking to buy a new printer
>> has spare cartridges that will never be used.
>
Leon wrote:
> On 4/30/2014 2:41 AM, Bill wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2014 5:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>>>>>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>>>>>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>>>>>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask
>>>>>> yourself. I
>>>>>> fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>>>>>> phased out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>>>>> companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>>>>> are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire"
>>>>> after a
>>>>> certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink"
>>>>> not
>>>>> the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>>>>> (only in reverse).
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Most any cartridge can be refilled more cheaply than buying a generic
>>>> cartridge. I think the planned obsolesce is more likely the
>>>> situation.
>>>
>>> So we could say, they are doing it so that the ink cartridges
>>> are not "commodotized"--improving the pricing perspective. Same
>>> game--follow the money.
>>>
>>>
>> Kreg would never do that with their "joinery jig" product, would
>> they? Upgrade the unit, all of the parts incompatible with the old?
>> They wouldn't, right?
>
> LOL. Well, their screws/ink cartridges will work in conjunction with
> any model pocket hole jig/printer regardless of model. ;~)
>
If they change the width of the screw/drill size by 1/16", your then
obsolete screws will be able to keep your old ink cartridges company. ; )
I wouldn't worry, except I saw a "late night infomercial" of their
joinery jig the other night. I found it interesting to listen to "how
little"
one needs (to have or know) to do woodworking. Just a circular saw, a
drill, and their joinery jig... Of course, they have never been upfront
of the fact that
you don't really get the "whole" kit for $99... One will find, that just
covers the first installment.
>
>
>
>
Bill wrote:
> I wouldn't worry, except I saw a "late night infomercial" of their
> joinery jig the other night. I found it interesting to listen to "how
> little"
> one needs (to have or know) to do woodworking. Just a circular saw,
> a drill, and their joinery jig... Of course, they have never been
> upfront of the fact that
> you don't really get the "whole" kit for $99... One will find, that
> just covers the first installment.
Well, that $99 will pretty much get you everything you need to do most all
of what you'll ever do with pocket screws - except more screws...
--
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On 4/29/2014 9:29 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in news:535faf70$0
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
>> And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
>> well or is sturdy at all.
>
> [...]
>
> I've had two Brother printers, ne in my office, one at home, for some years now (one is 4+
> years old, and the other must be nearly 10) -- and have had only one problem of any
> significance, a software glitch that was fairly easily reset. Both are multi-function units (print,
> scan, copy, fax).
>
> Over the years, I've also had several Epson printers, retiring them only when they became
> obsolete. When my son's Canon printer died two weeks after he went off to college (four
> years ago), we bought him an Epson to replace it. Total problem count for all the Epsons
> we've ever owned over all the years we've owned them: zero.
>
> Obviously, I'd recommend either of those brands without hesitation.
>
> The hardware from Useless Bastard is well-made, but their software is s**t: install an HP
> printer, and then spend the next hour UNinstalling all the useless crapware that comes
> along with the printer driver. On top of that, their drivers are poorly written: it's not unusual to
> see an HP printer driver using 50% of the CPU time when you're not even printing anything.
> And the support is about the worst I've ever experienced: apathetic, incompetent, and rude.
I do recall the last HP all in one that I bought increased boot tome to
nearly 12 minutes, 6 years ago. That was up from about 4 minutes. HP
suggested uninstalling their software and using Windows vs. boxing the
unit back up and returning it to OfficeMax.
On 4/29/2014 10:21 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>>> dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser
>>> next time.
>>
>> You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
>> old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
>> I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
>> still impressed with it.
>
> Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
> getting the Lexmark.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
>> to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
>> cartridges.
>>
>> http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
>>
>> There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
>> convenient.
>>
>
> I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
> refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
> 80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
> another matter.
I used to refill my cartridges back in the day.
Buying a quart made sense. But now there are so many different brands,
and getting accurate colors might be a little more difficult.
--
Jeff
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:13:08 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>>dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.
>
>You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
>old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
>I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
>still impressed with it.
>
>One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
>to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
>cartridges.
>
>http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
>
>There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
>convenient.
The Xerox solid ink laser is not a laser - it is a dye sublimation
printer. I've been closely associated with 2 of them. Under moderate
use, both got expensive real fast - and both had numerous memory
failures, and both had the main boards replaced under warranty. Both
have been scrapped for several years now.
On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> HOW FUCKING STUPID these idiots are.
What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:05:28 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 4/29/2014 10:21 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>>>> dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser
>>>> next time.
>>>
>>> You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
>>> old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
>>> I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
>>> still impressed with it.
>>
>> Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
>> getting the Lexmark.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
>>> to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
>>> cartridges.
>>>
>>> http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
>>>
>>> There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
>>> convenient.
>>>
>>
>> I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
>> refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
>> 80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
>> another matter.
>
>I used to refill my cartridges back in the day.
>
>Buying a quart made sense. But now there are so many different brands,
>and getting accurate colors might be a little more difficult.
I refill about 70 HP 940XL tanks every month.
On 4/29/2014 11:21 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 4/28/2014 11:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
>> printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
>> going to be a Brother.
>>
>>
> Exactly. Our HP AIO is a decent piece of hardware. The software is
> crap. The drivers seem to "disappear". Especially bad with a wireless
> network connection. It's visible and accessible on the network - just
> will not print or scan. A wired connection works somewhat better.
> Sometimes works fine for a month. Sometimes requires re-installation for
> every use. Sometimes scanning multiple pages is fine, other times the
> scanner gets "busy" and we cannot recover without rebooting both PC and
> printer. HP's support forum shows the same problems going back seven
> years with no resolutions.
>
> Canon's Pixma series is looking pretty good.
I've had the Pixma MX850 for years now.
It's been great. No complaints. Even when I updated to win7 I was able
to get drivers from Cannon.
I only wish that the scanners would autofeed small things like receipts.
You only have so much glass for the flat scanner, so long receipts
would be nice to autofeed which go until the end. They are too narrow.
That's a request for a feature, not a complaint.
I keep all my more important reciepts on the computer now. Very handy.
--
Jeff
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:51:13 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at
>> the store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses.
>> They tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why
>> are they constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself.
>> I fear the reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are
>> phased out.
>
>I think the reason is they are striving stay a step a head of the
>companies who would sell generic ink cartridges. I think (know) they
>are even putting microchips in some of them now so they "expire" after a
>certain amount of time. HP knows that the profit is in the "ink" not
>the printer. I think the consumer is smart to bear that in mind too
>(only in reverse).
>
>Bill
>>
>>
I refill the 940XLs untill they time out (usually about 2 1/2 years)
then buy new ones, and refill them untill THEY run out. $4/oz for
black, $8 per oz for colour.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:17 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> The support on the printers is something approaching average
>>- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
>>support was incompetent.
>
>You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
>really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
>Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
>No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
>myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
>HP.
I had the same problem with my Canon scanner - which is how I ended up
with the HP- - - - - - -
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:05:56 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Doug Miller" wrote:
>>
>>> HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
>>> apathetic, they're
>>> incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.
>>>
>>> I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
>>> "Hewlett Packard" sounds
>>> like "Useless Bastard" for a *reason*.
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
>> based on prior experience.
>>
>> Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
>> promptly addressed or at least they tried.
>>
>> After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
>> none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.
>>
>> Problem solved.
>>
>> Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>I had pretty good luck with a laptop from HP. But I don't like their
>printers. Office printers yes, but home printers... no.
>Their drivers suck.
>
>I like the cannon series they have been good, separate color ink wells
>(first to do it).
Brother had them ages ago.
I used Canon printers for over 10 years, through the Pixmo 3000 and
6000 series. Each model got worse, untill the 6500 series when I quit
using them ( half of the 35 I had in use either didn't make it through
warranty or failed within a month after warranty.) I switched to
OfficeJet Pro 8000 from HP. We've had a few print head failures and 2
have been damaged by operators pulling stuck paper out backwards.
Can't buy any more new ones, so I've been buying used on e-bay.
>
>I had bought my son an HP years ago. Nothing but problems with the
>drivers. They prevented shutdown. Paper was an issue. They had a
>template for their own printer for something. Using it prevented
>printing to the printer.
Anyone's "cheap" printers are junk - and Canon decided "cheap" was
easier to sell than "good". At least HP still gives you a (limitted)
choice.
On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
>> dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.
>
> You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
> old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
> I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
> still impressed with it.
Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
getting the Lexmark.
>
> One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
> to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
> cartridges.
>
> http://www.office.xerox.com/product-resources/8570/DN/enus.html
>
> There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
> convenient.
>
I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
another matter.