"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
Try alt.politics More opinions there than you will care to read.
"Sam"
> (Doug Miller)
>
> > What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> > to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> > suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> > opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> > vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
> What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
> on the planet that matter.
True, but those who try to please everyone please no one. The
world is very diverse with most acting in their own self interest.
In the case of Iraq there were illegal under the table weapons
and "oil for food" deals going on while the same countries pretended
objectivity.
>To not have any consideration for other
> peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
> to as being an asshole.
Perhaps you refer to them that way but the term is a bit ambiguous.
Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
>I would guess on an international level,
> Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
If so a reality check might clue them in that many of their freedoms
were bought by these asshole's blood. An asshole president
was instumental in defeating communism, a very real threat, especially
in Europe and WMDs in the hands of the new global treat, militant
Islam will have serious consequences so another asshole is at it again.
Their accolades often go to UN member nations instead so while
the assholes are busy stinking up the world tens of thousands die
in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan and elsewhere while the discussions,
threats and more threats are emitted from the global circle jerk.
> Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
> foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
> assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
If they ever do a little self examination of their own it won't be pretty.
Perhaps then they'll act in the world's best interest instead of
feeling superior to anyone.
"GregP"
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:28:40 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
>
> >An asshole president
> >was instumental in defeating communism,
>
>
> That's total and absolute bull.
It's the truth whether you like it or not. He pushed for
the arms race in spite of much criticism, they couldn't
keep up and bankrupted a fragile economy.
"GregP"
> "Frank Ketchum"
>
> >
> >It's what the dictionary says. Why don't you guys explain to us why you
> >think we should let France, Germany, Russia etc. select our leader for us?
>
>
> What dictionary ? The neo-fascist browb book ? After all,
> you're the only folks who are suggesting this.
>
> I realize it's a subtle point for Rush-conditioned faithful:
> considering other opinions is not identical to accepting
> decisions from others.
You're the one digressing into ad hominems when asked
to support your view. Hating Rush doesn't quite do it.
"GregP"
> "Fletis Humplebacker"
> >> That's total and absolute bull.
> >It's the truth whether you like it or not. He pushed for
> >the arms race in spite of much criticism, they couldn't
> >keep up and bankrupted a fragile economy
> Lessee, something like 85 THOUSAND US servicemen died
> in Korea and Vietnam, hundreds if not thousands more died in
> their country's service promulgating the cold war,
Unfortunantly that didn't put them out of business. The stronghold
and base for communism was the USSR and they were still at
it when Reagan came along. They supplied small arms weapons
but that isn't what bankrupted them.
>US citizens
> paid TRILLIONS of (today's) dollars paying for an endless
> arms race, and good ole Ronny "was instrumental" in defeating
> communism ???
Yes, that's how it worked.
> By spending a big bunch of our money and
> screwing up the national budget,
Which balanced out later, and cheaper too if you consider
the cost of doing nothing.
>that took the efforts of Bush I
> and Clinton to straighten out ????
Yes, after the need for the buildup was gone. By the way
Clinton helped the economy by letting the military suffer,
like a good liberal. Their faith is not in the US military but
the UN.
>That Soviet style history
> rewrite is an insult to the people of this country.
I see. So you believe Korea and Vietnam put them under in 1989.
Interesting.
"Sam"
> "Fletis Humplebacker"
> > "Sam"
> > > (Doug Miller)
> > >
> > > > What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> > > > to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> > > > suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> > > > opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> > > > vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
> > > What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
> > > on the planet that matter.
> > True, but those who try to please everyone please no one. The
> > world is very diverse with most acting in their own self interest.
> I'm not saying to please them, I'm saying to listen to them and
> consider what they say and then make our own decisions.
I agree. Listen to them and do what we want.
> > In the case of Iraq there were illegal under the table weapons
> > and "oil for food" deals going on while the same countries pretended
> > objectivity.
> In the case of Iraq, what are we doing there anyway? That was
> certainly a diversion from the war on terror, they had nothing to do
> with 9/11, but we've turned it into a gigantic training camp for
> terrorism, much bigger than anything they had in Afghanistan and one
> of the best aids for recruitment of more fanatical Islamists. Every
> reason given for going there has proven to be false, maybe if we had
> listened to others we might not be in that mess. As far as under the
> table weapons, a lot of the regular weapons and wmds they had, we sold
> them ourselves.
I don't agree. I do not think many, if any, became terrorists because
of Iraq, they are coming from Iran, Syria, etc. What if Saddam had
been left to build up his WMD program as planned? Do you believe
the world would have been safer? He defied the UN resolutions,
which were in place for a reason. Was his intentions peaceful then?
Your info on WMDs isn't quite right either, Germany, France and Russia
were selling them weapons.
> > >To not have any consideration for other
> > > peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
> > > to as being an asshole.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you refer to them that way but the term is a bit ambiguous.
> > Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
> >
> >
> > >I would guess on an international level,
> > > Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> > > assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
> >
> >
> >
> > If so a reality check might clue them in that many of their freedoms
> > were bought by these asshole's blood.
>
> And the French helped us free ourselves from the British.
>
So did the Germans but what have they done since then?
> An asshole president
> > was instumental in defeating communism, a very real threat, especially
> > in Europe
> We bankrupted Russia with the arms race, now that they have collapsed
> and we have gotten over the elation of 'winning' the cold war, where
> are all their nuclear weapons, all their chemical, biological wmds?
> Black market?
Some perhaps. What was the alternative?
> >and WMDs in the hands of the new global treat, militant
> > Islam will have serious consequences so another asshole is at it again.
> Seriously, how much of a threat is terrorism?
Ask the famly memebers of the 911 attacks for starters. What do
you suppose will happen with bigger weapons?
>I don't know the answer
> so I'm asking, how many people have terrorists killed worldwide in
> this new century? How many innocents have been killed in the pursuit
> of terrorists? Add them all up and don't the numbers pale in
> comparison to say, lung cancer deaths caused by cigarettes in the US
> alone? Why isn't there a global war on tobaco? People for the war say
> there hasn't been any more attacks on our soil, but maybe there
> doesn't have to be, the damage has allready been done in that our
> country is divided, on the International shitlist, on the road to the
> poorhouse, civil liberties are being trampled,
Like how? What have you been prevent from doing? You think
the FBI has a man on each one of us?
>people live in constant
> fear that they or theirs will be the victims of those swarthy, smelly
> MFs when in fact they are way more likely to die on the drive down to
> get some more smokes.
I don't know anyone who lives in constant fear but maybe we
run in different ccircles.
> > Their accolades often go to UN member nations instead so while
> > the assholes are busy stinking up the world tens of thousands die
> > in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan and elsewhere
> Iraq
Good example. The UN did what for them?
> >while the discussions,
> > threats and more threats are emitted from the global circle jerk.
> > > Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
> > > foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
> > > assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
> > If they ever do a little self examination of their own it won't be pretty.
> > Perhaps then they'll act in the world's best interest instead of
> > feeling superior to anyone.
> I believe this is what I was saying to begin with.
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> To not have any consideration for other peoples opinion about
>> things is, on an individual level, often refered to as being
>> an asshole. I would guess on an international level, Americans
>> might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
>> assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
>> Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from
>> these same foreign citizens and then we will have to face up
>> to having been assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
>
> It's also possible that one or two of 'em might have a helpful
> idea or two that none of us'd thought up for ourselves. It'd be a
> shame to have some really good idea get lost just because nobody
> 'as listenin'.
Here's a foreign opinion worth hearing:
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=1280652004
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BoPjd.5$eG4.1@trndny08>...
> "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
>
> Then why not ask in a political forum? No reason to bring off topic
> discussions here.
First, I titled the OT and political so it would be filtered by
those who do so. I've read a lot of political posts here and have seen
a lot of self sided arguements with no regard to how this election
affects people other than ourselves. I was honestly interested in how
people from abroad felt. I didn't put my own political spin on
anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>> What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the
> right
>> to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
>> suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
>> opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
>> vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
>>
>You've never been curious?
As I indicated, my voting behavior depends on my opinion of what best
serves America, and the opinions of non-citizens regarding the outcome of our
elections do not affect that in the least. Thus, knowing those opinions, or
not knowing them, is of no consequence to me -- nor should it be. If the
readers of leftist British newspapers, for example, wish to influence the
outcome of our elections, then they should damn well *move* here, become
citizens, and vote.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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>Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
My main concern was neither main candidate had a word to say about import
conditions regarding Festool and Fein. Nor did either have a plan to bring
DeWalt up to global standards regarding dust collection.
I couldn't vote for Nader, since one of the main parts of his platform was, in
the interest of safety, removing all sharp edges from woodworking tools.
So decided to vote the Conover/Purdy ticket.
"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
Is he a woodworker?
Simply put....I hate politcal posts in un-related newsgroups.
Simply put, your a troll.
"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:20:10 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
>> That's total and absolute bull.
>
>
>It's the truth whether you like it or not. He pushed for
>the arms race in spite of much criticism, they couldn't
>keep up and bankrupted a fragile economy
Lessee, something like 85 THOUSAND US servicemen died
in Korea and Vietnam, hundreds if not thousands more died in
their country's service promulgating the cold war, US citizens
paid TRILLIONS of (today's) dollars paying for an endless
arms race, and good ole Ronny "was instrumental" in defeating
communism ??? By spending a big bunch of our money and
screwing up the national budget, that took the efforts of Bush I
and Clinton to straighten out ???? That Soviet style history
rewrite is an insult to the people of this country.
Holy crispy crap! That's four usage/grammar/spelling errors in a single
post.
"you're a troll", not "your a troll".
"grammar", not "grammer".
"too good", not "to good".
"too well", not "too good".
Yeesh!
"Robbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Simply put, your a troll.
>
> YOUR a troll. Don't know you're grammer all to good, eh?
> >
> > "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being
re-elected.
> >
> >
"Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote in message
Sniparoo
> >
> > And the French helped us free ourselves from the British.
> >
>
>
> So did the Germans but what have they done since then?
>
I just have to ask - are you being tongue-in-cheek here? The Hessians
(i.e. Germans) were paid mercenaries for the British during the
Revolution (see the Battle of Trenton, etc.). As best I can figure the
only way they "helped" us get free of the British was by being drunk
and asleep that Christmas morning so that George could win a "victory"
at last.
Dave Hall
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
on the planet that matter. To not have any consideration for other
peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
to as being an asshole. I would guess on an international level,
Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
"Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Sam"
> > (Doug Miller)
> >
> > > What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> > > to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> > > suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> > > opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> > > vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
>
>
> > What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
> > on the planet that matter.
>
>
> True, but those who try to please everyone please no one. The
> world is very diverse with most acting in their own self interest.
I'm not saying to please them, I'm saying to listen to them and
consider what they say and then make our own decisions.
> In the case of Iraq there were illegal under the table weapons
> and "oil for food" deals going on while the same countries pretended
> objectivity.
In the case of Iraq, what are we doing there anyway? That was
certainly a diversion from the war on terror, they had nothing to do
with 9/11, but we've turned it into a gigantic training camp for
terrorism, much bigger than anything they had in Afghanistan and one
of the best aids for recruitment of more fanatical Islamists. Every
reason given for going there has proven to be false, maybe if we had
listened to others we might not be in that mess. As far as under the
table weapons, a lot of the regular weapons and wmds they had, we sold
them ourselves.
>
>
>
> >To not have any consideration for other
> > peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
> > to as being an asshole.
>
>
> Perhaps you refer to them that way but the term is a bit ambiguous.
> Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
>
>
> >I would guess on an international level,
> > Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> > assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
>
>
>
> If so a reality check might clue them in that many of their freedoms
> were bought by these asshole's blood.
And the French helped us free ourselves from the British.
An asshole president
> was instumental in defeating communism, a very real threat, especially
> in Europe
We bankrupted Russia with the arms race, now that they have collapsed
and we have gotten over the elation of 'winning' the cold war, where
are all their nuclear weapons, all their chemical, biological wmds?
Black market?
and WMDs in the hands of the new global treat, militant
> Islam will have serious consequences so another asshole is at it again.
Seriously, how much of a threat is terrorism? I don't know the answer
so I'm asking, how many people have terrorists killed worldwide in
this new century? How many innocents have been killed in the pursuit
of terrorists? Add them all up and don't the numbers pale in
comparison to say, lung cancer deaths caused by cigarettes in the US
alone? Why isn't there a global war on tobaco? People for the war say
there hasn't been any more attacks on our soil, but maybe there
doesn't have to be, the damage has allready been done in that our
country is divided, on the International shitlist, on the road to the
poorhouse, civil liberties are being trampled, people live in constant
fear that they or theirs will be the victims of those swarthy, smelly
MFs when in fact they are way more likely to die on the drive down to
get some more smokes.
> Their accolades often go to UN member nations instead so while
> the assholes are busy stinking up the world tens of thousands die
> in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan and elsewhere
Iraq
while the discussions,
> threats and more threats are emitted from the global circle jerk.
>
>
>
> > Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
> > foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
> > assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
>
>
> If they ever do a little self examination of their own it won't be pretty.
> Perhaps then they'll act in the world's best interest instead of
> feeling superior to anyone.
I believe this is what I was saying to begin with.
"Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Sam"
> > "Fletis Humplebacker"
> > > "Sam"
> > > > (Doug Miller)
> > > >
> > > > > What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> > > > > to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> > > > > suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> > > > > opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> > > > > vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
>
>
> > > > What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
> > > > on the planet that matter.
>
>
> > > True, but those who try to please everyone please no one. The
> > > world is very diverse with most acting in their own self interest.
>
>
> > I'm not saying to please them, I'm saying to listen to them and
> > consider what they say and then make our own decisions.
>
>
> I agree. Listen to them and do what we want.
Don't discard the 'consider' part. In fact preface it with
'seriously' or 'actually'.
>
> > > In the case of Iraq there were illegal under the table weapons
> > > and "oil for food" deals going on while the same countries pretended
> > > objectivity.
>
>
> > In the case of Iraq, what are we doing there anyway? That was
> > certainly a diversion from the war on terror, they had nothing to do
> > with 9/11, but we've turned it into a gigantic training camp for
> > terrorism, much bigger than anything they had in Afghanistan and one
> > of the best aids for recruitment of more fanatical Islamists. Every
> > reason given for going there has proven to be false, maybe if we had
> > listened to others we might not be in that mess. As far as under the
> > table weapons, a lot of the regular weapons and wmds they had, we sold
> > them ourselves.
>
>
>
> I don't agree. I do not think many, if any, became terrorists because
> of Iraq, they are coming from Iran, Syria, etc.
Evidence suggests a significant portion of the disenfranchised Bathist
party members have resorted to guerilla activities. I agree a lot of
the terrorists are 'foreigners', but what I was saying is the whole
country has been de-stabilized which made it possible for them to
exist and function in a vast area where for all practical purposes
they did not exist before we invaded. The incompetently performed
invasion also left wide open for looting vast stores of conventional
weapons.
What if Saddam had
> been left to build up his WMD program as planned?
Hasn't it been proven left, right, up and down that there were NO
wmds?
Do you believe
> the world would have been safer?
If we hadn't invaded, much more so. We could have concentrated on
Afghanistan and lessened their numbers and leaders considerately.
Afghanistan could have become the 'beacon' of democracy in the Middle
East, instead of just another destabilized country with no
infrastructure, full of religious lunatics, home of the worlds biggest
exporter of opium.
He defied the UN resolutions,
> which were in place for a reason. Was his intentions peaceful then?
> Your info on WMDs isn't quite right either, Germany, France and Russia
> were selling them weapons.
>
>
>
>
> > > >To not have any consideration for other
> > > > peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
> > > > to as being an asshole.
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps you refer to them that way but the term is a bit ambiguous.
> > > Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I would guess on an international level,
> > > > Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> > > > assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If so a reality check might clue them in that many of their freedoms
> > > were bought by these asshole's blood.
> >
> > And the French helped us free ourselves from the British.
> >
>
>
> So did the Germans but what have they done since then?
>
>
>
> > An asshole president
> > > was instumental in defeating communism, a very real threat, especially
> > > in Europe
>
>
> > We bankrupted Russia with the arms race, now that they have collapsed
> > and we have gotten over the elation of 'winning' the cold war, where
> > are all their nuclear weapons, all their chemical, biological wmds?
> > Black market?
>
>
> Some perhaps. What was the alternative?
It is good to get rid of corrupt, dangerous institutions, but we seem
to do it only part way, causing the collapse of the power structures
but then not following through. It's like international wasp nests
hanging all over the place and instead of thinking a little bit about
the consequences and then waiting until night with the can of spray,
we'll just poke them with a stick and then figure out what to do.
>
>
>
> > >and WMDs in the hands of the new global treat, militant
> > > Islam will have serious consequences so another asshole is at it again.
>
>
> > Seriously, how much of a threat is terrorism?
>
>
>
> Ask the famly memebers of the 911 attacks for starters. What do
> you suppose will happen with bigger weapons?
My point was that in the scheme of things not many people die from
terrorism. Over 3,000 die every year in the US alone from falling on a
level surface, 400,000+ from smoking related complications. Where will
they get the bigger weapons? Defunct countries like Russia, Iraq? Iran
and Syria, after we destabilize them? Aren't we in effect supplying
them?
>
>
> >I don't know the answer
> > so I'm asking, how many people have terrorists killed worldwide in
> > this new century? How many innocents have been killed in the pursuit
> > of terrorists? Add them all up and don't the numbers pale in
> > comparison to say, lung cancer deaths caused by cigarettes in the US
> > alone? Why isn't there a global war on tobaco? People for the war say
> > there hasn't been any more attacks on our soil, but maybe there
> > doesn't have to be, the damage has allready been done in that our
> > country is divided, on the International shitlist, on the road to the
> > poorhouse, civil liberties are being trampled,
>
>
>
> Like how? What have you been prevent from doing? You think
> the FBI has a man on each one of us?
Even though the FBI seems incompetent outside our borders, and inside
our borders when it comes to crime and terrorism, I have no doubt
whatsoever they they could do a highly effective job of quashing
dissent and investigating and ruining the everyday citizen given the
permission and orders to do so. They have got the permission with the
'Patriot' act, the current shift to fearfull, 'moral' conservatism is
on the path to the orders. You mentioned earlier about freedoms' being
secured by blood, how much blood was shed over how many hundreds of
years to secure the civil liberties that were fearfully handed over in
a matter of weeks after 9/11?
>
>
>
> >people live in constant
> > fear that they or theirs will be the victims of those swarthy, smelly
> > MFs when in fact they are way more likely to die on the drive down to
> > get some more smokes.
>
>
>
> I don't know anyone who lives in constant fear but maybe we
> run in different ccircles.
>
>
>
> > > Their accolades often go to UN member nations instead so while
> > > the assholes are busy stinking up the world tens of thousands die
> > > in Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan and elsewhere
>
>
> > Iraq
>
>
> Good example. The UN did what for them?
They tried to keep us from invading and overthrowing a sovereign
country.
>
>
>
> > >while the discussions,
> > > threats and more threats are emitted from the global circle jerk.
>
>
> > > > Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
> > > > foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
> > > > assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
>
>
> > > If they ever do a little self examination of their own it won't be pretty.
> > > Perhaps then they'll act in the world's best interest instead of
> > > feeling superior to anyone.
>
>
> > I believe this is what I was saying to begin with.
"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
Then why not ask in a political forum? No reason to bring off topic
discussions here.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:37:11 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Why don't you start making some sense?
When I stop responding to your nonsense, I suspect...
In article <[email protected]>, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:17:58 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
>
>>>That Soviet style history
>>> rewrite is an insult to the people of this country.
>>
>>
>>I see. So you believe Korea and Vietnam put them under in 1989.
>>Interesting.
>
> I believe that the accumulated pressures and sacrifices of
> 45-odd years,plus a fundamentally corrupt and useless
> system on the USSR side, put them under, not an actor who
> convinced a bunch of neos that he sat on the right hand side
> of the Father.
>
The Russians themselves say you don't know what you're talking about. Do a
Google search on "Gennady Gerasimov" and "Ronald Reagan" and educate yourself
about the truth.
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In article <MySkd.3420$4U1.1680@trndny05>, "Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Soviet Union would have fallen either way, regardless of what St. Ronnie
>did.
>I read an article about that a few years ago - folks high up in the Soviet
>machine stated that Reagan hastened the fall of the old government by
>perhaps two to six weeks.
Two to six weeks. Uh-huh. Right. You sure that didn't say "years"?
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"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
Simply put.....GO AWAY.
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>The interesting thing is Clinton did the same thing with his campaign
>promise of "I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these
>programs", yet when he did raise taxes by a record amount including taxes
>on the middle and lower income folks, the press said nary a word.
The press didn't, but I sure did:
"Dear Mr. President:
During your campaign, you promised to *cut* taxes on the middle class. Now we
learn the truth.
You two-faced, shifty-eyed, lying son of a bitch.
Sincerely yours, Douglas L. Miller"
About three weeks later, I got a form letter in the mail, something like this:
"Dear Mr. Miller,
Thank you for taking the time to share your views with me. I look forward to
hearing from you in the future.
Sincerely, Bill Clinton"
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> Cmon, Doug. High up Soviet officials wouldn't lie, would they? Without
> pressure from the US, the two to six number might as well be decades.
Oh, certainly not!
At least, no more than:
Reagan, (*cough "Iran Contra" *cough *cough)
Clinton, (*cough "Monica" *cough *cough)
Bush 2. (*cough "Too many lies to list" *cough *cough)
Honestly, I don't remember Bush 1's presidency all that well. I'm sure
there were some whoppers told there, too, but his presidency was such a
non-event that I really don't recall.
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jana) wrote:
>
>>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:<BoPjd.5$eG4.1@trndny08>...
>>
>>>"Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
>>>
>>>Then why not ask in a political forum? No reason to bring off topic
>>>discussions here.
>>
>> First, I titled the OT and political so it would be filtered by
>>those who do so. I've read a lot of political posts here and have seen
>>a lot of self sided arguements with no regard to how this election
>>affects people other than ourselves. I was honestly interested in how
>>people from abroad felt. I didn't put my own political spin on
>>anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
>>post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
>
>
> What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
> to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
> suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
> opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
> vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
You've never been curious?
j4
The Soviet Union would have fallen either way, regardless of what St. Ronnie
did.
I read an article about that a few years ago - folks high up in the Soviet
machine stated that Reagan hastened the fall of the old government by
perhaps two to six weeks.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, GregP
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:17:58 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
> >
> >>>That Soviet style history
> >>> rewrite is an insult to the people of this country.
> >>
> >>
> >>I see. So you believe Korea and Vietnam put them under in 1989.
> >>Interesting.
> >
> > I believe that the accumulated pressures and sacrifices of
> > 45-odd years,plus a fundamentally corrupt and useless
> > system on the USSR side, put them under, not an actor who
> > convinced a bunch of neos that he sat on the right hand side
> > of the Father.
> >
> The Russians themselves say you don't know what you're talking about. Do a
> Google search on "Gennady Gerasimov" and "Ronald Reagan" and educate
yourself
> about the truth.
>
> --
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> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
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"Claude Livernoche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I miss President Carter. He is a fellow woodworker.
Yeah I miss him too. He makes everyone look good by comparison.
"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:hzgld.77$tS4.8@trndny09...
> Aw, fergetit. You clearly have no interest in any rational discussion.
When you want to start having one, let me know. I just find it to be
non-credible that some Russkie somehow knows within a 4-week timespan how
much faster the Iron Curtain came down with the help of President Reagan.
It might be interesting to read, but should be in the fiction aisle.
todd
In article <[email protected]>, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:28:40 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
>
>>An asshole president
>>was instumental in defeating communism,
>
>
> That's total and absolute bull.
Surprisingly, I agree with you. But probably for a different reason.
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"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Cmon, Doug. High up Soviet officials wouldn't lie, would they? Without
> > pressure from the US, the two to six number might as well be decades.
>
> Oh, certainly not!
>
> At least, no more than:
>
> Reagan, (*cough "Iran Contra" *cough *cough)
> Clinton, (*cough "Monica" *cough *cough)
> Bush 2. (*cough "Too many lies to list" *cough *cough)
>
> Honestly, I don't remember Bush 1's presidency all that well. I'm sure
> there were some whoppers told there, too, but his presidency was such a
> non-event that I really don't recall.
Yet you're willing to take some Soviet officials word at face value? Nice
try, comrade.
todd
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <MySkd.3420$4U1.1680@trndny05>, "Tim and Stephanie"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >The Soviet Union would have fallen either way, regardless of what St.
Ronnie
> >did.
> >I read an article about that a few years ago - folks high up in the
Soviet
> >machine stated that Reagan hastened the fall of the old government by
> >perhaps two to six weeks.
>
> Two to six weeks. Uh-huh. Right. You sure that didn't say "years"?
Cmon, Doug. High up Soviet officials wouldn't lie, would they? Without
pressure from the US, the two to six number might as well be decades.
todd
I miss President Carter. He is a fellow woodworker.
"Jana" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
"Jacobe Hazzard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.marryanamerican.ca/pledge/
>
I love this idea. Please please please Canadians, take all of these bufoons
out of our country for us.
Frank
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jana) wrote:
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<BoPjd.5$eG4.1@trndny08>...
>> "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
>>
>> Then why not ask in a political forum? No reason to bring off topic
>> discussions here.
>
> First, I titled the OT and political so it would be filtered by
>those who do so. I've read a lot of political posts here and have seen
>a lot of self sided arguements with no regard to how this election
>affects people other than ourselves. I was honestly interested in how
>people from abroad felt. I didn't put my own political spin on
>anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
>post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
What difference does it make? Citizens of other countries don't have the right
to vote in our elections, so their opinions aren't relevant -- unless you're
suggesting that American voters should base their voting decisions on the
opinions of foreign citizens. You vote that way if you want; I'll continue to
vote based on my opinion of what's best for America.
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In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>The idea here is to acknowledge the letter and to disarm the potty
>mouths. Hopefully you vented your spleen and will go on about your
>business. Douglas L. Miller will go on to a DOJ repeat list to see if
>you repeat your accusations in ascending virulence or frequency. If
>not, your name will be purged from the list. Have a nice day.
Several of my co-workers thought I'd be getting a visit from the Secret
Service or the FBI. I disagreed -- figured that if I had said something like
"you two-faced etc. etc. I'm coming to Washington to kick your butt" such a
visit would be not only certain, but very prompt as well -- but for simply
exercising my First Amendment rights, however vigorously or crudely, they
wouldn't bother me. (They didn't.)
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Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>The interesting thing is Clinton did the same thing with his campaign
>>promise of "I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these
>>programs", yet when he did raise taxes by a record amount including taxes
>>on the middle and lower income folks, the press said nary a word.
>
>
> The press didn't, but I sure did:
>
> "Dear Mr. President:
>
> During your campaign, you promised to *cut* taxes on the middle class. Now we
> learn the truth.
>
> You two-faced, shifty-eyed, lying son of a bitch.
>
> Sincerely yours, Douglas L. Miller"
>
> About three weeks later, I got a form letter in the mail, something like this:
>
> "Dear Mr. Miller,
> Thank you for taking the time to share your views with me. I look forward to
> hearing from you in the future.
> Sincerely, Bill Clinton"
>
[snip]
The idea here is to acknowledge the letter and to disarm the potty
mouths. Hopefully you vented your spleen and will go on about your
business. Douglas L. Miller will go on to a DOJ repeat list to see if
you repeat your accusations in ascending virulence or frequency. If
not, your name will be purged from the list. Have a nice day.
mahalo,
jo4hn
p.s. The same procedure is taken by the Bush administration.
"GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> They most certainly do but hey, if that's what Rush
> says, it's gotta be true, eh ?
It's what the dictionary says. Why don't you guys explain to us why you
think we should let France, Germany, Russia etc. select our leader for us?
"GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> What dictionary ? The neo-fascist browb book ? After all,
> you're the only folks who are suggesting this.
>
Any dictionary will define soverign for you. And kudos on continuing the
failed knee jerk liberal reaction of calling everyone else fascist, nazis,
racists etc. It will continue to work well for you.
> I realize it's a subtle point for Rush-conditioned faithful:
> considering other opinions is not identical to accepting
> decisions from others.
What makes you think I don't consider what other people think? Do you think
you are omniscient? Why don't you start making some sense?
Frank
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > They most certainly do but hey, if that's what Rush
> > says, it's gotta be true, eh ?
>
> It's what the dictionary says. Why don't you guys explain to us why you
> think we should let France, Germany, Russia etc. select our leader for us?
Nope. But:
We do not represent the entirety of intelligent thought on this planet,
however we do represent the wealthiest and most powerful country on the
planet. As such, the policies that effect us effect everyone in the world
to some degree. Therfore, it stands to reason (at least to me) that we have
some obligation to making the whole world better. We cannot do this without
taking into consideration the ideas, opinions and beliefs of the citizens of
other countries.
[email protected] (Jana) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BoPjd.5$eG4.1@trndny08>...
> > "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
> >
> > Then why not ask in a political forum? No reason to bring off topic
> > discussions here.
>
> First, I titled the OT and political so it would be filtered by
> those who do so.
That's beside the point. The point is you posted it to the wrong
newsgroup.
> I've read a lot of political posts here and have seen
> a lot of self sided arguements with no regard to how this election
> affects people other than ourselves. I was honestly interested in how
> people from abroad felt.
Then why not post in a nesgroup for people from abroad, like the
soc.culture.(insert country here) newsgroups?
> I didn't put my own political spin on
> anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
> post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
Huh?
--
FF
"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<fHyld.8176$tI3.5686@trndny01>...
> > > I didn't put my own political spin on
> > > anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
> > > post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
> >
> > Huh?
>
>
> While I somewhat disagree with posting it here, he is right - the current
> "discourse" in the political newsgroups is along the lines of:
>
> "You're a nazi republican!"
> "You're a limp-dicked liberal!"
I'm not surprised. What I find bizarre is that he thinks it would
be better to have "discussions" of that ilk HERE, which is the
obvious consequence of posting political threads here.
>
> Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that a reasonable debate can be
> had.
>
> Anyone know of one?
A cow-orker from Australia remarked that he recently watched tapes
of the Nixon-Kennedy debate and found it remarkable that in that
era the candidates debated the issues.
As President, Nixon countered his extremely vocal critics in the media
by claiming the support of a 'vast silent majority'. Come election time,
that vast silent majority won him 49 states.
Ignore the morons and write for the vast silent majority of _lurkers_
whom you can assume will read your articles and skip over the flamers.
Lead by example. Make it a GOOD example.
Not Usenet but:
<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=fred+fighter>
If you read the individual threads in which these appear you will
find them full of insults, personal attacks and other stupidity.
--
FF
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:08:07 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>It's what the dictionary says. Why don't you guys explain to us why you
>think we should let France, Germany, Russia etc. select our leader for us?
What dictionary ? The neo-fascist browb book ? After all,
you're the only folks who are suggesting this.
I realize it's a subtle point for Rush-conditioned faithful:
considering other opinions is not identical to accepting
decisions from others.
> > I didn't put my own political spin on
> > anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
> > post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
>
> Huh?
While I somewhat disagree with posting it here, he is right - the current
"discourse" in the political newsgroups is along the lines of:
"You're a nazi republican!"
"You're a limp-dicked liberal!"
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that a reasonable debate can be
had.
Anyone know of one?
Aw, fergetit. You clearly have no interest in any rational discussion.
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:wafld.2159$b73.888@trndny04...
> > >
> > > Yet you're willing to take some Soviet officials word at face value?
> Nice
> > > try, comrade.
> > >
> >
> > I gotta dig up the article. The guy was credible, and IIRC, was a
> military
> > guy, not some policy wonk.
> > Let me see if I can find it. Agree with it or don't, it was a
fascinating
> > read.
>
> So was The Martian Chronicles, but I'm not looking to move to Mars anytime
> soon. I guess the Red Army was issuing crystal balls to its officers.
>
> todd
>
>
"Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
> What's best for America might be to realize we're not the only people
> on the planet that matter. To not have any consideration for other
> peoples opinion about things is, on an individual level, often refered
> to as being an asshole. I would guess on an international level,
> Americans might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
> Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from these same
> foreign citizens and then we will have to face up to having been
> assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
It might do you some good to think about what it means to be a sovereign
country. Other countries don't base their decisions on what we think as
well they should not. We need not do it either.
Here is a hilarious website for you to cry along in your beer with your pals
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/
I love it.
"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:wafld.2159$b73.888@trndny04...
> >
> > Yet you're willing to take some Soviet officials word at face value?
Nice
> > try, comrade.
> >
>
> I gotta dig up the article. The guy was credible, and IIRC, was a
military
> guy, not some policy wonk.
> Let me see if I can find it. Agree with it or don't, it was a fascinating
> read.
So was The Martian Chronicles, but I'm not looking to move to Mars anytime
soon. I guess the Red Army was issuing crystal balls to its officers.
todd
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:32:46 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>It might do you some good to think about what it means to be a sovereign
>country. Other countries don't base their decisions on what we think as
>well they should not.
They most certainly do but hey, if that's what Rush
says, it's gotta be true, eh ?
"Tim and Stephanie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fHyld.8176$tI3.5686@trndny01...
>> > I didn't put my own political spin on
>> > anything. I asked an honest question with genuine concern. I didn't
>> > post to a political news group because I wanted an honest answer.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>
> While I somewhat disagree with posting it here, he is right - the current
> "discourse" in the political newsgroups is along the lines of:
>
> "You're a nazi republican!"
> "You're a limp-dicked liberal!"
>
> Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anywhere that a reasonable debate can be
> had.
>
> Anyone know of one?
>
Sadly most that would engage in political discourse on newsgroups are by
their nature inmature and out of the main stream. It is the only medium that
accepts what passes for discourse or debate in their minds. Not to say
there are not those capable of mature discourse, but they are more than
drowned out by the other.
BJ
Sam wrote:
> To not have any consideration for other peoples opinion about
> things is, on an individual level, often refered to as being
> an asshole. I would guess on an international level, Americans
> might be refered to by foreign citizens as a bunch of
> assholes, if we don't pay any attention to what they think.
> Eventually, for some reason we are going to need help from
> these same foreign citizens and then we will have to face up
> to having been assholes, and it won't be a pretty sight.
It's also possible that one or two of 'em might have a helpful
idea or two that none of us'd thought up for ourselves. It'd be a
shame to have some really good idea get lost just because nobody
'as listenin'.
--
Morris Dovey
[I know my ideas are all first class; and a lot of yours're too;
but I just don't know about all them other boneheads.]
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:15:37 -0600, Morris Dovey wrote:
> Bush 1: "Read my lips: No new taxes." Kicking Iraq out of Kuwait wasn't
> exactly a non-event. Nor were the SCUD missles fired into Israel and Saudi
> Arabia by the Iraqi forces.
>
> It was largely the broken "No new taxes" promise that cost Bush his
> chances for a second term.
...and he broke his promise and raised taxes with the agreement by the
Democrat controlled congress that they would also cut spending. Guess who
broke their promise on that one.
Commonly known as a sucker punch.
The interesting thing is Clinton did the same thing with his campaign
promise of "I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these
programs", yet when he did raise taxes by a record amount including taxes
on the middle and lower income folks, the press said narry a word.
-Doug
Tim and Stephanie did say:
> Holy crispy crap! That's four usage/grammar/spelling errors in a single
> post.
>
> "you're a troll", not "your a troll".
> "grammar", not "grammer".
> "too good", not "to good".
> "too well", not "too good".
>
> Yeesh!
>
>
>
> "Robbie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Simply put, your a troll.
>>
>> YOUR a troll. Don't know you're grammer all to good, eh?
>> >
>> > "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being
> re-elected.
>> >
>> >
I think you've just swallowed the hook dangled by another troll...
--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.
In article <[email protected]>,
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Simply put, your a troll.
YOUR a troll. Don't know you're grammer all to good, eh?
>
> "Jana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Simply put....I'd like to hear how you feel about Bush being re-elected.
>
>
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
[snip]>>
>>You've never been curious?
>
>
> As I indicated, my voting behavior depends on my opinion of what best
> serves America, and the opinions of non-citizens regarding the outcome of our
> elections do not affect that in the least. Thus, knowing those opinions, or
> not knowing them, is of no consequence to me -- nor should it be. If the
> readers of leftist British newspapers, for example, wish to influence the
> outcome of our elections, then they should damn well *move* here, become
> citizens, and vote.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
Your answer then is no. There are others of us around here that do have
a curiosity about things that may be of no apparent "consequence to me".
jo4hn
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:52:31 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Claude Livernoche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I miss President Carter. He is a fellow woodworker.
>
>
>Yeah I miss him too. He makes everyone look good by comparison.
Imagine you were in a coffee shop and GB 43 walks in. You say, "Mr.
President, I have to tell you, you are so much better than Pres. Carter."
Would he ask the Secret Service to take you out back for a tune up?
Actually, I like your comment. Very British in its politeness and sting.
-- Igor
"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>Yeah I miss him too. He makes everyone look good by comparison.
>
> Imagine you were in a coffee shop and GB 43 walks in. You say, "Mr.
> President, I have to tell you, you are so much better than Pres. Carter."
> Would he ask the Secret Service to take you out back for a tune up?
I think Bush and I would probably see eye to eye on more than not. IMHO
Carter was terrible. Worse that what the Bush haters and Clinton haters
could imagine.
> Actually, I like your comment. Very British in its politeness and sting.
humm.. ;~) Texas and Britain are not so different after all. LOL/
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:17:58 -0800, "Fletis Humplebacker" <!> wrote:
>>That Soviet style history
>> rewrite is an insult to the people of this country.
>
>
>I see. So you believe Korea and Vietnam put them under in 1989.
>Interesting.
I believe that the accumulated pressures and sacrifices of
45-odd years,plus a fundamentally corrupt and useless
system on the USSR side, put them under, not an actor who
convinced a bunch of neos that he sat on the right hand side
of the Father.
Tim and Stephanie wrote:
> Honestly, I don't remember Bush 1's presidency all that well. I'm sure
> there were some whoppers told there, too, but his presidency was such a
> non-event that I really don't recall.
Bush 1: "Read my lips: No new taxes."
Kicking Iraq out of Kuwait wasn't exactly a non-event. Nor were
the SCUD missles fired into Israel and Saudi Arabia by the Iraqi
forces.
It was largely the broken "No new taxes" promise that cost Bush
his chances for a second term.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA